American Politics

[PVMonger]

Agreed. Xpartan nailed it.

Why in the world would Putin have wanted to interrupt Trump's fine work on his behalf in dismantling the Western Alliance, denigrating democracy everywhere including in the USA while praising his and other authoritarian dictatorships with a politically risky and ultimately unnecessary, as long as Trump was working for him, war in Ukraine?

The proof in what Putin was banking on with Trump with regard to Trump's utter indifference at best and outright hostility to democracy at worst was Trump's total surrender deal with the Taliban while entirely cutting out the government in Afghanistan.

Thanks to Trump, the Taliban could walk into most cities and regions in Afghanistan and resume their authoritarian rule without firing a single shot.

Putin knew very well a second Trump term at most would see him defunding all support economically and militarily from Ukraine and he could take over that country as easily.

The fascists support the authoritarians. Yep, in a recent poll, 62% of the fascist party support authoritarians over Democracy (surprise, surprise, surprise). Of course, the fascists who see this will say (as usual) that polls are useless or they are fake news or some other nonsense. https://news.yahoo.com/poll-as-ukrai...192437439.html.

Maybe they missed the latest episode of Tucker "Nobody in their right mind should believe anything I say" Carlson. Because Tucker, genius that he isn't, said the quiet part out loud. Again. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...aine-democrats And before the fascists say that Tucker didn't say that, here's the video https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1485...rc=twsrc%5Etfw.

So, once again, the Putin-loving fascists say that they prefer authoritarians over Democracy. Not that we didn't know that already.

[Canada]

Biden got 200 million+ of the smartest people in USA vaccinated with the vaccines Trump spent a year trying to convince the world nobody needed to invent or take.

Biden created more jobs in those 12 months than the three previous Repub so-called potus' did in their entire presidencies combined. Yep, one of them was Trump.

Biden reduced the unemployment rate to 3.9% from the double digits he inherited from Trump faster than anyone in history.

Biden's first year-over-year real GDP growth is on track to be well in the range Trump predicted his $2. 5+ Trillion waste of money one and only significant economic legislation would produce but failed to by half for even one of his pre Trump's Pandemic years.

Despite Trump's Pandemic Supply Chain Destruction Inflation, shipping and retail reps called this past Christmas under Biden the best holiday season ever!.

Why do you keep repeating lies? It already has been proven that there are less people working today than when Trump was president so no new one created.

200,000,000 people are suffering under Biden policies and inflation. 200,000,000 people said they were better off under Trump presidency. Why do you keep lying?

[Canada]

Obama and now Biden were all about maintaining, strengthening and expanding the Western Alliance / NATO in order to spread democracy around the world, which is anathema to Putin and his subservient puppets Trump, the Republican Party, Tucker Carlson and virtually every "conservative Repub" spokesman in winger media.

As long as Trump was willing to dangle and deny USA military support for budding democracy Ukraine unless its president fabricated dirt on his political opponents, clearly demonstrated indifference to his or any spread of authoritarian dictatorships to prevail over democracies and help him to dismantle the Western Alliance, there was very little work Putin needed to apply to the effort rather than simply wait for Trump and his fellow Repubs to deliver him Ukraine and anything else he wanted on a silver platter.

No so now that he is up against Biden.

You use don't have a clue. Last time Putin invaded Ukraine Obama as Biden sent blankets the Ukraine as USA relief effort. Putin waited until Trump was out of office to invade again. Biden is a joke to Putin. Biden is a joke to NATO and the world.

[EihTooms]

Stop confusing people with facts and common sense!!

Agreed. Xpartan nailed it.

Why in the world would Putin have wanted to interrupt Trump's fine work on his behalf in dismantling the Western Alliance, denigrating democracy everywhere including in the USA while praising his and other authoritarian dictatorships with a politically risky and ultimately unnecessary, as long as Trump was working for him, war in Ukraine?

The proof in what Putin was banking on with Trump with regard to Trump's utter indifference at best and outright hostility to democracy at worst was Trump's total surrender deal with the Taliban while entirely cutting out the government in Afghanistan.

Thanks to Trump, the Taliban could walk into most cities and regions in Afghanistan and resume their authoritarian rule without firing a single shot.

Putin knew very well a second Trump term at most would see him defunding all support economically and militarily from Ukraine and he could take over that country as easily.

And if Putin had initiated a military invasion under Trump for no reason whatsoever he would have risked western countries with or without Trump forming an alliance to push back and further isolate him. That would run counter to all the work Trump had put into denigrating democracies and elevating authoritarian dictatorships for his entire presidency.

This time around, Putin has no choice but to take that risk. Since January 20,2021, he no longer has a slavishly devoted promoter and puppet in the White House.

[EihTooms]

Putin didn't attack Ukraine under Trump presidency. He did under Obama and he will again under Biden. Putin only attacks the weak. Trump would have hurt Russia to much so Putin just waited for a puppet to come along and here is Biden.

Obama and now Biden were all about maintaining, strengthening and expanding the Western Alliance / NATO in order to spread democracy around the world, which is anathema to Putin and his subservient puppets Trump, the Republican Party, Tucker Carlson and virtually every "conservative Repub" spokesman in winger media.

As long as Trump was willing to dangle and deny USA military support for budding democracy Ukraine unless its president fabricated dirt on his political opponents, clearly demonstrated indifference to his or any spread of authoritarian dictatorships to prevail over democracies and help him to dismantle the Western Alliance, there was very little work Putin needed to apply to the effort rather than simply wait for Trump and his fellow Repubs to deliver him Ukraine and anything else he wanted on a silver platter.

No so now that he is up against Biden.

[EihTooms]

You are wrong. The last 12 months prove Biden is worse than Trump. From the economy to inflation to foreign policy Trump proved he better for USA than Biden.

Biden got 200 million+ of the smartest people in USA vaccinated with the vaccines Trump spent a year trying to convince the world nobody needed to invent or take.

Biden created more jobs in those 12 months than the three previous Repub so-called potus' did in their entire presidencies combined. Yep, one of them was Trump.

Biden reduced the unemployment rate to 3.9% from the double digits he inherited from Trump faster than anyone in history.

Biden's first year-over-year real GDP growth is on track to be well in the range Trump predicted his $2. 5+ Trillion waste of money one and only significant economic legislation would produce but failed to by half for even one of his pre Trump's Pandemic years.

Despite Trump's Pandemic Supply Chain Destruction Inflation, shipping and retail reps called this past Christmas under Biden the best holiday season ever!

Biden's first year stock market recovery from Trump's 2nd Bear Market decline in just one horrible term puts him at the top of the list of Presidents' annual average returns in the market. The gain seen just from his landslide victory over Trump to his inauguration alone was one of the greatest of all time and that isn't even included inhis 1st year record.

All thanks to Biden action and passed legislation, nothing to do with a so-called potus playing golf and sitting on the pot tweeting through 80% of his twice Impeached one miserable term.

Oh, and Biden is rebuilding the Western Alliance / NATO to strengthen and spread democracy around the world that Trump spent 4 years trying to dismantle at the behest of his Puppet Master Putin. Which, obviously, is really pissing off Putin after getting his ass licked by Trump for 4 years.

Naturally, Repubs would hate those Biden results in his first 12 months.

[Big Daddy 1906]

Wow, I don't think I've seen an argument as laughable as this one, and I thought I'd seen them all.

Postpone? Did I miss a full-scale invasion? Has it already begun and I missed the news?

Putin is a thug and a player. He played Trump for 4 years like a flute. Now that he can't get his way like before, he's muddying the waters again, pushing as hard as the world would allow him before backing down eventually. And I believe he will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption.

No shit, huh?

We're talking the same Trump who publicly asked Russia to dig up dirt on Hillary?

Same Trump who tried to water down the Congress' sanctions and then delayed signing them for as long as he could?

Same Trump who publicly said it was OK for Putin to keep Crimea?

Same Trump who publicly said he trusted Putin over his own security agencies?

Same Trump who laughed with Lavrov and Kislyak after firing Comey for Russian TASS (having locked our own news agencies out of the meeting)?

Same Trump who shared classified intelligence with Putin?

Same Trump who incessantly criticized NATO and who once said he wanted to withdraw?

Same Trump who, contrary to all diplomatic traditions, went to his meetings with Putin alone without even the interpreter?

I could go on and on and on about Trump caressing Putin's balls, and I'm perfectly prepared to back all the above and then some with reliable sources.

And often with Trump's own words because that's what degenerates do. They blurb.

But just to be clear, we're talking about THE SAME DUDE, correct?

Oh gee, I'll gladly take this risk. Knock yourself out.

Stop confusing people with facts and common sense!!

[PVMonger]

Putin respected Trump and a strong USA. Now with a weak frail president Putin is taking advantage of the situation. China and Russia are the big winners of the 2020 election. The American people are the big losers of the 2020 election.

Putin played the one-term, twice-impeached former guy like a fiddle. Even his own National Security advisor said so. Everybody but the fascists knows this. You don't know this, of course, because State TV lied to you.

[Cali Guy]

Wow, I don't think I've seen an argument as laughable as this one, and I thought I'd seen them all.

Postpone? Did I miss a full-scale invasion? Has it already begun and I missed the news?

Putin is a thug and a player. He played Trump for 4 years like a flute. Now that he can't get his way like before, he's muddying the waters again, pushing as hard as the world would allow him before backing down eventually. And I believe he will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption.

No shit, huh?

We're talking the same Trump who publicly asked Russia to dig up dirt on Hillary?

Same Trump who tried to water down the Congress' sanctions and then delayed signing them for as long as he could?.

Putin didn't attack Ukraine under Trump presidency. He did under Obama and he will again under Biden. Putin only attacks the weak. Trump would have hurt Russia to much so Putin just waited for a puppet to come along and here is Biden.

[Cali Guy]

The market took a hit today? How so?

The broad USA market as measured by the S&P 500 or, better, the Wilshire Total Market 5000 closed today down only about 7% or 8% from its all-time record high close. That isn't even enough to be considered a health-restoring "Correction" yet, which is typically when it is down 10% or more from its recent all-time high close while a Bear Market decline is 20% or more.

We are not even halfway to a Bear Market decline or even tip-toeing into a health-restoring "Correction" territory yet. Biden's first year saw some 70 new all-time record high closes and Biden's stock market appears to be stubbornly resistant to even approaching halfway to a Bear Market level.

My god, you must have been having heart attacks when the stock market plunged into two Bear Market declines under "great again" Trump, one every two years of his failed presidency. I suppose that was because of Trump's fabulous foreign policy agenda and results throughout his term, so much better than Biden's, right?

The market is only one indication of Biden failing policies. The market going down creates opportunities for savvy investors. But Biden is lost. Everything he does turns to crap. From trying to kill the energy business to inflation to foreign policy to 2 pandemics. Now maybe even war. Crime is totally out of control in democrat states. Inflation the highest in 40 plus years and no end in site. Trump policies are looking great right now. The only ones that like Biden policies are the Chinese and Putin.

[PVMonger]

Wow, I don't think I've seen an argument as laughable as this one, and I thought I'd seen them all.

Postpone? Did I miss a full-scale invasion? Has it already begun and I missed the news?

Putin is a thug and a player. He played Trump for 4 years like a flute. Now that he can't get his way like before, he's muddying the waters again, pushing as hard as the world would allow him before backing down eventually. And I believe he will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption.

No shit, huh?

We're talking the same Trump who publicly asked Russia to dig up dirt on Hillary?

Same Trump who tried to water down the Congress' sanctions and then delayed signing them for as long as he could?.

The fascists who post will say that everything you posted is "fake news" because they didn't hear it on state TV. ROFL.

[Axel Heyst]

Wow, I don't think I've seen an argument as laughable as this one, and I thought I'd seen them all.

Postpone? Did I miss a full-scale invasion? Has it already begun and I missed the news?

Putin is a thug and a player. He played Trump for 4 years like a flute. Now that he can't get his way like before, he's muddying the waters again, pushing as hard as the world would allow him before backing down eventually. And I believe he will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption.

Ok, you believe "he (Putin) will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption. " That is definitely one of the 3 possible outcomes of the situation and I am not surprised that you believe this scenario is the most probable based on your overt political bias.

The 2 more likely outcomes, however, are either 1) Putin invades or 2) the West (Biden) makes significant concessions so a Russian invasion is not necessary IE the installation of a "puppet" regime and an end of Ukrainian sovereignty. Notice the proper use of the word "puppet".

Like I said, we will see how this crises unfolds. The interesting point in your statement is that Putin "will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption" because it leaves room in the American Left's internal propaganda machine to score anything short of an invasion as a victory for Uncle Joe. But sovereignty and independence is a verifiable state of affairs. They can not be spinned, although if the situation calls for it, I am sure that the American Left will try. And that is the big difference between the Left and the rest of us. If Joe Biden actually stops an invasion or the political take over of the Ukraine I will be surprised like all hell, but I will admit Uncle Joe did good. If the opposite occurs we all know you and your Party will never admit the failure / blunder. You can bet on it.

[Canada]

Come on man! Use your common sense. If Trump were Putin's puppet than why did Putin postpone invading the Ukraine until Uncle Joe became President. The answer is as plain as the nose on your face. Putin knew that if Russia invaded the Ukraine while Trump was in the White House, Trump would have destroyed the Russian Economy by cutting off all of Russia's financial access to the Western Banking System. What is Joe going to do? Well, we shall see and if I am wrong about Joe Biden I will admit. But I seriously doubt Uncle Joe will do more than make a teleprompter rehearsed speech and issue a few minor sanctions.

X. I have given you the benefit of the doubt up to now because I thought you are an actual punter and have made some ISG contributions to the Brazil forums. But if you keep going on with this delusional RussiaRussiaRussia, TrumpTrumpTrump, HillaryHillaryHillary BS, I will have to adjust my opinion of you downward. Open your eyes!

Putin respected Trump and a strong USA. Now with a weak frail president Putin is taking advantage of the situation. China and Russia are the big winners of the 2020 election. The American people are the big losers of the 2020 election.

[Canada]

Trump considerably better than Biden? We talking the same Trump that tried to overthrow an election because he lost? The same Trump that is openly a racist, misogynistic autocrat want to be who totally fucked up the pandemic and talked shit about the vaccine while he took it and didn't tell anyone at first?

Biden isn't the 2nd coming of Lincoln but on his worst day he's better than Trump.

You are wrong. The last 12 months prove Biden is worse than Trump. From the economy to inflation to foreign policy Trump proved he better for USA than Biden.

[Canada]

And here is yet another new member who came to the sex mongering forum to beatch about Biden.

Seems like some of our resident pundits feel a little lonely.

You are the minority now. Republicans, democrats and independents are concerned about our incompetent president. Only the socialists and fools are still supporting his far left agenda.