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09-21-23 19:23 #13116
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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09-21-23 19:18 #13115
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
"In March, a Pew Research Center study -- yes, Pew -- found that 85 percent of MSNBC's programming is dedicated to "opinion," versus 15 percent that is dedicated to "news. " Fox News dedicated just 55 percent of its programming to "opinion" and 45 percent to "news. " (CNN dedicates 46 percent to "opinion" and 54 percent to "news. ") During the 2012 election, the ratio of unfavorable to favorable treatment in stories on Barack Obama and Mitt Romney on MSNBC "was roughly 23-to-1; the negative-to-positive ratio on Fox News was 8-to-1. ".
"Ok, fine. But MSNBC's opinions are rooted in fact, whereas the Bill O'Reillys and Sean Hannitys willingly peddle misinformation!
But see, that's the thing. Many of MSNBC's opinions aren't rooted in fact. Many of them are rooted in unfounded speculation. Melissa Harris-Perry's recent claim that Obamacare is a racially loaded term conceived of "by a group of wealthy white men who needed a way to put themselves above and apart from a black man" is based on. What? The fact that the term was first used by a woman? The fact that, from Reaganomics to Hillarycare, we've always ascribed names to signature policies and legislation?
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. In a new essay for The National Review, Charles see. W. Cooke explains how MSNBC routinely demonizes the opposition to the point of absurdity...."
https://www.politico.com/blogs/media...ox-news-179175
Now, admittedly, as Tooms effectively pointed out, the gap in the level of propaganda on Fox versus MSNBC narrowed somewhat after Fox learned its viewers wanted favorable coverage on Trump. But it's still there. Look at the hosts. On MSNBC, the only one who's halfway objective is Chris Jansing. John Roberts, Neil Cavuto, Bret Baier and Dana Perino fall into the same category as Jansing -- partisan but reasonably objective. And look at the hosts who have moved on in recent years. Chris Wallace is a Democrat. Shepard Smith is probably is probably a gay Democrat. On the MSNBC side, Chuck Todd was reasonably objective but certainly left leaning.
Newsmax and OAN arose because they thought there was a niche to the right of Fox. Nobody's going to find a niche to the left of MSNBC, because practically you can't go farther left. Thankfully, there's no market for a Socialist or Communist channel in the USA.
Of course, this makes no difference to partisan Democrats, because, like Fundamentalist Christians and Muslims, they believe their side has a monopoly on the truth and the rest of the world are infidels. Therefore MSNBC tells the truth and Fox lies.
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09-21-23 09:49 #13114
Posts: 1119CNN...Next?
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Pity a more up-to-date chart/survey isn't available, as I would imagine it would look a lot different with CNN now that the right-wing billionaire, Malone, looks to revamp CNN into a "FOX News" dumpster fire, as staff members fear.
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09-21-23 08:20 #13113
Posts: 1119So you like being LIED to? How about a Conspiracy?
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
Ray Epps, Target of Conspiracy Theory, Pleads Guilty to Jan. 6 ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/u...ds-guilty.html
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
Looks like you maybe onto something, with his FOXY News lawsuit, I hope it helps...but I'm still not certain about that.
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
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09-21-23 08:09 #13112
Posts: 1119Just the FACTS ma'am...
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
As of for the truth...well that's pretty much in the eye of the beholder, for the most part. Now this concept my seem forigen to you and QAnon/MAGA Repubs cult fringe, but incontrovertible FACTS and HARD EVIDENCE, is definitely something I can hang my hat on.
When Did Republicans Start Hating Facts?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/14/o...formation.html
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
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09-21-23 07:58 #13111
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
I assume Marquis hates him for having half the guts to vote to convict his lord and savior in the Senate for at least one of his blatantly obvious Impeachment-worthy infractions; his clumsy, fully witnessed attempt to extort Zelenskyy into fabricating dirt on Biden with our tax dollars specifically earmarked by Congress to defend his country from Putin's idiotic invasion.
I don't hate MittWitt. I only dismiss him as just another Know Nothing Repub who clearly doesn't know anything about how to recover, expand and create jobs in a complex national economy like the USA economy. But, like all Repubs, he thinks he knows better than the least successful Dem in that regard for how to do it. Which he does not, of course.
Interesting that Marquis often implores me to use drugs in order to see things his way and now he wants you to stop using drugs to achieve the same result.
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09-20-23 22:57 #13110
Posts: 2579Put the weed down bro LOL
"That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.
Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.
Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.
You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.
That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.
Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor."
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...o-fifth-place/
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09-20-23 22:03 #13109
Posts: 2579Mormons don't pray to Donald Trump
"Mormons don't pray to Donald Trump. They pray to God and golden plates. And they call the devil "Satan", not "Mitt Romney."
But they should, I do and I'm an ardent atheist!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...rican-history/
There is but one true god.
Donald J Trump.
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09-20-23 16:18 #13108
Posts: 1807Brother Marquis and Brother Tooms, I'm glad I've brought you together and healed the hatred and loathing in your hearts. OK, "hatred and loathing" is much too strong. But see, you're united in your opinion of Mitt Romney! While I disagree with you about Mitt, I hope some day in some faraway place we can join hands and sing Kumbaya!
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09-20-23 16:14 #13107
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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09-20-23 16:12 #13106
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
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09-20-23 15:16 #13105
Posts: 2579Si Senor
"That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.
Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.
Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.
You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.
That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.
Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor. ".
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ge-and-gaffes/
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09-20-23 15:08 #13104
Posts: 2579No fucking way not Dirty Joes friends again
"So, as opposed to links describing or showing Biden lying, and there are many, I'm supposed to find links of a major televised campaign speech where Biden says something about someone who won't run against him. That should be easy but it's pointless. And find where he says we might begin World War II. OK, he is kind of senile, but I think he knows World War II happened a long time ago.
Unusually, your post isn't comprehensible, to me at least, so I don't understand what you're getting at. But I suspect you're trying to do the three card monte deal. Like where we're supposed to totally ignore every Republican state with a large population and every Democratic state with a small population and then say the country is a an oligarchy ruled by the landed class. ".
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023...f-ukraine-war/
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09-20-23 11:10 #13103
Posts: 5454Ahem. Computer glitch redux.
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
In 2012, MittWitt pledged his brilliant Repub policies and stewardship would lower the unemployment rate to 6% by the end of his first term:
Romney Doubles Down on Vow of 6% Unemployment.
May 23, 2012
https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...6-unemployment
Obama's policies got it there in half the time. All while every idiot Repub in the country was screaming that THIS Great Dem Economic Recovery from GW Bush's Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction was "the slowest" Great Dem Economic Recovery from a Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction of any Great Dem Economic Recovery from a Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction before it. Oh boo hoo.
Nevermind that inconvenient detail about Moscow Mitch demanding all of his fellow Repubs in Congress vow on Obama's inauguration night not to lift so much as a pinkie finger to help Obama and the Dems pull us out of that historic Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction they created so as to make him a one term president.
In fact, Moscow Mitch openly pledged to "slow walk" any and all classic tried and true Great Dem Economic Recovery legislation he and his fellow Senate / Congressional Repubs could not totally thwart, obstruct and kill from the get-go. And so they did, keeping as many Americans suffering from the millions upon millions of jobs wiped out by their typically horrific Repub policies and stewardship for as long as their obstruction and "slow walking" of a Great Dem Economic Recovery could produce.
Mitt Romney promised he'd cut unemployment to 6% in one term. It's already down to 5%.
Dec. 4, 2015
https://www.vox.com/2015/1/9/7522563...ment-promise-6
President Obama Has Cut the Unemployment Rate More Than Any President since FDR.
Jan. 6, 2017
https://tcf.org/content/commentary/p...ent-since-fdr/
Repubs don't know shit about the economy. None of them.
Never did. Never will.
The absolute worst economic results from the policies and stewardship of any president ever have all been from Repub presidents' policies and stewardship; Hoover's, GW Bush's and Trump's being at the top of The Worst of All Time List. By stark contrast, the Best Economic Recoveries, Jobs Creation and Economic Results have all been produced by Dem Economic Policies and Stewardship; FDR, JFK / LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama, Biden, the Dem list of Best Ever just goes on and on.
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09-20-23 10:20 #13102
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...6-unemployment