American Politics

[EihTooms]

I presume you have this passage saved somewhere on your computer so you can copy and paste it, which you do every week. All you talk about is the economy. We have agreed before that the Dems have a better record than the Reps. But TBH, that is one of the least interesting things to me. Its super boring. Take care of relations, and a country with such geographical and geological advantages as the USA should be able manage itself. I am concerned about the role the USA plays on the world stage. It is the world super-villain. Countless international crimes, every year, Dems and Reps alike. But typically, that doesn't seem to bother you, bcos your the beneficiary, not the victim.

Also, just in case you haven't noticed, I am not a USAn. I have never voted in the USA. All I can do is stand at the side and despair at what passes for 'democracy' in the world's ailing super power.

Oh, yes, I had no idea that "mess" you say we are in from (Repub) time to (Repub) time is only about how we feel and nothing about the "boring" topic of massive job losses, crippling unemployment, the huge income gap between the top 5% and everyone else, etc. Not that those results would have anything to do with how people "feel", right?

Take care of relations, and a country with such geographical and geological advantages as the USA should be able manage itself.

Then I guess the Repubs' results coming from that angle must be just as bad and demonstrably inferior to that of the Dems as the more direct routes such as, you know, tax policy, healthcare legislation, infrastructure legislation, effective trade deals, responsible budget balancing, funding education, funding law enforcement needs, establishing and funding effective national security protections, etc.

You're right, I have probably underestimated how much damage Repubs have done to America due to how they make us all "feel" rather than primarily from the stuff you can actually quantify, cite and verify in the data and historical results.

Of course, arguing on that basis is pathetically weak compared to basing it on tangible, provable factors. But if it makes you "feel" better, be my guest.

[GDreams]

Several countries in Europe raised their electric prices to consumers by 25% last week because of renewable energy disasters. Europe has decided to restart a significant amount of their coal fired power plants to try to get back to reliable and cost effective electricity. Do you think the USA is smart enough to avoid this. I know California is not smart enough because we have the dumbest dems in the country. California is among the highest electricity costs in the USA and expected to raise prices like Europe as we do not have a reliable supply of electricity.

The price of gas has gone up 500%, how much has the price of sunlight and wind gone up? The reason electricity prices have not gone up nearly as much as fossil fuel prices is that it is not cost any more to generate electricity from renewables which has helped keep prices lower. No wonder Europe is doubling down on building even more renewable power.

[Spidy]

I am an anarchist, not a communist. I beleive in transnationalism. ... Imagine, if you will, the USA as a template for the world. Anyone can go and live or work anywhere they like. Freedom of movement, no borders. Now imagine that you remove the federal government and you decentralise the decision making back to county level, or even lower. That's pretty much what I want for the entire world.

Let me ask you a question, again:

Q. If you absolutely had to choose between Dems or Repubs, with "gun/pistol to your head" (figuratively speaking of course), which of the two (2) parties do you honestly think will get you closer to your "promised land" or utopian unfettered borderless world?

[JustTK]

Repub Hoover had a gigantic Depression and lost millions of jobs. Dem FDR had a historic recovery and created millions of jobs. Repub Eisenhower had 3 Recessions and produced one of the worst jobs creation results of any modern president. Dems JFK / LBJ had no Recession and produced one of the greatest jobs creation results ever.
... Repub Trump's "best" years fell below average ...

My Dem votes since 1972 resulted in all of those historically positive changes for the country while your Repub / Bothsider / Neithersider votes resulted in all the historically negative changes made to the country since however long you've been voting that way.

I presume you have this passage saved somewhere on your computer so you can copy and paste it, which you do every week. All you talk about is the economy. We have agreed before that the Dems have a better record than the Reps. But TBH, that is one of the least interesting things to me. Its super boring. Take care of relations, and a country with such geographical and geological advantages as the USA should be able manage itself. I am concerned about the role the USA plays on the world stage. It is the world super-villain. Countless international crimes, every year, Dems and Reps alike. But typically, that doesn't seem to bother you, bcos your the beneficiary, not the victim.

Also, just in case you haven't noticed, I am not a USAn. I have never voted in the USA. All I can do is stand at the side and despair at what passes for 'democracy' in the world's ailing super power.

[JustTK]

The people you want hung by their thumbs were constantly getting conflicting information, but had positions that required their best guesses regarding outcomes.

You plan to protest outside the house he's lived in the past 45 years with his wife, where they raised their three daughters?

If they were "constantly getting conflicting information" why did they make these statements as facts? That merely proves my point.

If I were to protest outside his house then I would have to go to the USA, smthg I would never do, and I don't even think I am currently allowed to do. Does one still need a vax to enter??

[PVMonger]

BUt the truth is they did lie. Fauci, Trump, Biden. The lot of them. They told us the virus would be under control, they told us masks work, they told us masks don't work. They told us to wear masks outside / inside /5 m /3 m / don't go outside. They told us the vaccines would prevent transmission, they told us the vax would prevent you from killing someone else, they told us they would reduce all cause mortality, they told us we were a menace to society, they told us ALL to get a vax, they told us it couldn't possibly be a lab leak, but then it could. The problem is they TOLD US. They didn't say that they were unsure. They TOLD US these things as facts.

What evidence they had to support these statements was sketchy at best, often fraudulent and wrong. They should be held accountable for their lies, for ruining people lives. Their actions and staements have destroyed public trust, and that is perfectly understandable. I don't see how the world can ever recover from this episode TBH.

Actually, the only people who believe that the actions of Fauci, etc have destroyed the public trust are morons. Sure, people who don't understand science don't believe anything. People who don't understand viruses and vaccines don't believe anything. People who don't know diddly-shit about anything but their long-neck Bud and their single-wide don't believe anything.

And you know who most of those denier's are? RethugliKKKans. You might not be a RethugliKKKan but you do believe all of the RethugliKKKan BS. Yep, the vax will alter your DNA, the vax contains microchips, the vax this, the vax that, the vax some other damn thing.

[PVMonger]

JustTK you really need to work on your basic language skills. Who lied in your example? You didn't complete the premise. I can't say if the kid lied because he didn't pass the exams or the father lied because he didn't buy him a bike. I could add a hundred endings which would make neither a liar, or one or the other, or both. Sheesh.

JustTK is an idiot. Just not as dumb as the Moron Brigade.

[PVMonger]

Be very wary of anything Napolitano and Barr contribute to this. As long time Repubs and / or FUX News darlings, they are by definition America-hating liars until proven otherwise.

Sure, they might be speaking the truth here and there. Same as Bolton.

However, it is far more likely their game is to get rid of Repub King Midas In Reverse Trump ASAP, preferably in prison and as far away from their beloved Repub Party as possible. And, for the love of god, for him to STFU about endorcing Repub candidates in the primaries only for them to go down in flames in the real election (see my previous post about his sterling election record since Repub Herbert Hoover).

They see where the polls are headed going into the midterm. They are pulling all the stops to dismiss and silence Trump before he manages to flip that ultra traditional advantage for Repubs this time around into another Trump-induced historic win for the Dems.

Remember that this post was meant to pull the chain of the Moron Brigade who defend Donnie the Dumbass to the max.

What I really wanted was to get a reaction from them because they are sooooooo stupid. Barr is a RINO! Napolitano is a RINO! In fact, every RethugliKKKan who criticizes Donnie the Dumbass is a RINO!

Hey, I think having a Republican party which actually tries to govern is a good thing.

But, the current Republican party of whiny crybabies is ridiculous. They play the victim really well, though. Oooooohhhhh, the FBI raided Donnie the Dumbass' house! Oooooohhhhh Biden called all of us racists and fascists out! We're upset that he called us semi-racists. Semi indeed! We are full on racists and fascists (but we're too dumb to know what a Fascist really is). Ooooooohhhhhhh, we get upset that people call us RethugliKKKans! We've never worn a KKK hood but we hate (not in order): Mexicans, Muslims, non-white people, non-Christian people, LGBTQ+ people, anybody of color, actually anybody who isn't white and straight. We're "constitutional originalists", except when it comes to stuff we don't agree with. (Like having to own a house to vote).

And the best? Ooooooohhhhh, we'll vote against our best interests because our sole mission in life is to "own the libs". In fact, if "owning the libs" means cutting off our welfare payments and stopping our Social Security payments, we're all for it. We're so dumb, we'll never complain.

[Cali Guy]

Renewable energy, huh? That's why?

So those little things like Putin's war on Ukraine and his energy war on Europe have nothing to do with this?

Are you saying Putin shut off the electricity too? Putin is oil and gas. He does not raise prices on electricity in Europe.

[PVMonger]

Thanks for admitting you never had any contracts with China. But it does not hide the fact that you lied in your first post.

Did you provide copies of actual contracts to back up your BS? Nope.

Case closed. All sizzle. No steak.

[ScatManDoo]

Marvelous satire from Dana Millbank:

"I'm so sorry you've convinced millions of people to believe the egregious lie that the 2020 election was stolen. I'm sorry you are making heroes of the criminals who attacked our seat of government. I'm sorry you're currently fomenting violence against the FBI and the IRS. I'm sorry you're passing laws giving yourselves more power to overthrow the 2024 election results if you lose, and I'm sorry you're nominating candidates committed to doing so. I'm sorry you don't like it when the Justice Department enforces the law and protects national security. I'm sorry you've lionized Hungarian strongman Viktor Orban, and I'm sorry you say that the Democratic Party, not Vladimir Putin's Russia, is the real enemy. I regret that you've taken away women's rights. I regret that you're banning books and censoring history lessons. I regret that you are shunning science, expertise and the truth. Above all, I'm truly sorry that, because of such things, Biden called you semi-fascists. There's really nothing 'semi' about it."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...fascism-trump/

That article had numerous good sections:

I regret that the heads and bodies of police officers got in the way of your truncheons and flagpoles while you were engaging in Legitimate Political Discourse at the Capitol. I hope that you didn't hurt your fingers while gouging their eyes, and that their blood didn't stain your tactical assault gear; if it did, please send me the dry-cleaning bill! I am so sorry that, on your Normal Tourist Visit, you didn't get to use your noose or all the guns stockpiled at the Comfort Inn in Alexandria. Please forgive me for previously quibbling with your plan to "hang Mike Pence" and your use of the Confederate flag in the halls of Congress. I apologize that you had to break windows and doors, climb scaffolding and rappel into the Senate chamber. My bad! Next time you want to overthrow an American election, just knock.

[EihTooms]

Give me the Dem Party of the 1940's, of the FDR era, then I would agree w you. BUt that is a dream of a bygone time. Now its neolibs vs neocons, as has been for decades. And the end result from the difference between the two is not worth voting for bcos it delays the opportunity for real change. You are the obstacle, not me. You are standing for a neo-lib corrupt party bcos you think they make life better for the USA, when it doesn't. Your Biden that kickstarts a huge world recession, that bombs innocent people for oil.

You keep saying that change cannot happen. At least not in your life time. Well, it won't happen if people like you get continue with their obstructionist attitudes.

I am a vegan, I know the differecne that baby steps can make. I know the world will not turn vegan overnight. BUt I certainly never thought "oh well, the world will never be vegan so what's the point? No. I committed to never being a part of the murderous animal abuse again. And now look what is ahppeneing. Some countries up to 10%. Nothing would change and no one would stand up for the voiceless if we followed your attitude.

And in politics. Well, voting is only one way to bring change. I think you only can imagine a 3rd party coming in to the elections and beginning to stand and compete on a slow gradual curve. Whereas there are ways and peeople that could bring about meteoric changes very rapidly. Get behind the movement instead of being scared by it.

Proving once again that Bothsiders / Neithersiders retreat to a noncommittal Bothsider / Neithersider position because they desperately want to contribute something to the discussion, preferably to come out winning on Both Sides, but don't really know enough about the topic to win anything legitimately.

Uh, big, big changes happen all the time as the result of our votes:

Repub Hoover had a gigantic Depression and lost millions of jobs. Dem FDR had a historic recovery and created millions of jobs.

Repub Eisenhower had 3 Recessions and produced one of the worst jobs creation results of any modern president. Dems JFK / LBJ had no Recession and produced one of the greatest jobs creation results ever.

Dem Jimmy Carter had a tiny pull back, it barely qualified as a Recession and it was purposely induced by the Fed in order to cool down an over-heated economy that was producing way more jobs than there were applicants to take them. That resulted in one of the best average annual jobs creation records of all time. Repub Reagan had one of the worst Recessions on record, the declining unemployment rate he inherited skyrocketed into double digits for almost a solid year and his average annual jobs creation was middling, significantly less than Carter's.

And, unlike Dem Carter, Repub Reagan tripled the national debt in order to under perform Carter's jobs cteation results.

Repub GHW Bush had a long Recession in 4 his years and one of the worst jobs creation records of any president. Dem Clinton had no Recession in his 8 years and produced one of the greatest jobs creation records in history.

Repub GW Bush had two Recessions, the second one so deep and horrible his own Treasury Secretary warned it might "destroy Capitalism as we know it". The unemployment rate skyrocketed and his jobs creation record was one of the worst in history. Dem Obama had no Recession in his 8 years and oversaw one of the longest and steadiest economic recoveries and jobs creation in history.

Repub Trump's "best" years fell below average among the 11 most recent presidents, wasted Trillions in deficit spending to under perform. Then he blathered, bumbled, left the country bare-ass naked against preventing or responding to it and eventually lied the world into a historic Pandemic that mass murdered millions, destroyed worldwide economies and supply-chains, skyrocketed the unemployment rate, plunged us into Recession and produced the worst jobs creation record since Repub Herbert Hoover.

Dem Joe Biden in just 19 months fully recovered all of the millions upon millions of jobs lost under Repub Trump and drove the unemployment rate back down to "Full Employment" level in record time.

Dem Biden has also so far managed to pay down the massive record high debt Repub Trump racked up and has not yet overseen a meaningful or official Recession despite the fact that the Fed is once again trying to induce a controlled one for the same reason they did so under Carter; Biden's strong economy is producing way too many jobs.

So, you see, there has been huge and dramatic change occurring in the country all throughout your lifetime. And, yessiree, it most definitely changed for the worst and for the best based on how the votes went virtually each and every time.

My Dem votes since 1972 resulted in all of those historically positive changes for the country while your Repub / Bothsider / Neithersider votes resulted in all the historically negative changes made to the country since however long you've been voting that way.

[ScatManDoo]

BUt the truth is they did lie. Fauci, Trump, Biden. The lot of them. They told us the virus would be under control, they told us masks work, they told us masks don't work. They told us to wear masks outside / inside /5 m /3 m / don't go outside. They told us the vaccines would prevent transmission, they told us the vax would prevent you from killing someone else, they told us they would reduce all cause mortality, they told us we were a menace to society, they told us ALL to get a vax, they told us it couldn't possibly be a lab leak, but then it could. The problem is they TOLD US. They didn't say that they were unsure. They TOLD US these things as facts.

What evidence they had to support these statements was sketchy at best, often fraudulent and wrong. They should be held accountable for their lies, for ruining people lives. Their actions and staements have destroyed public trust, and that is perfectly understandable. I don't see how the world can ever recover from this episode TBH.

The sky didn't fall Chicken Little.

The people you want hung by their thumbs were constantly getting conflicting information, but had positions that required their best guesses regarding outcomes.

You plan to protest outside the house he's lived in the past 45 years with his wife, where they raised their three daughters?

It must burn your ass that last year Fauci made $480,654 working for the NIAID, making him the highest paid USA Government employee.

[Villainy]

Let me give you an example so we can agree on what a lie is, pvm.

Lets say you have a son. You tell your son your going to buy him a new bike if he passed his exams. He tells you the next day he passed (maybe he even thinks he did), and can he have his bike now?

Is that a lie? Of course it is. Surely we can agree on that?

JustTK you really need to work on your basic language skills. Who lied in your example? You didn't complete the premise. I can't say if the kid lied because he didn't pass the exams or the father lied because he didn't buy him a bike. I could add a hundred endings which would make neither a liar, or one or the other, or both. Sheesh.

[Xpartan]

Several countries in Europe raised their electric prices to consumers by 25% last week because of renewable energy disasters. Europe has decided to restart a significant amount of their coal fired power plants to try to get back to reliable and cost effective electricity.

Renewable energy, huh? That's why?

So those little things like Putin's war on Ukraine and his energy war on Europe have nothing to do with this?