American Politics

[Hardbarg]

sfb9000:

you DO like to hear yourself talk.

[MJG Dogs]

Maybe this thread is a waste of time. My god what are my choices.??

The Cake and Croissant Democrats-

Raise taxes on everyone- They lie when they say they want tax cuts for the Middle class- To the Dems , anyone making over $ 10K USD per year is Upper Class.

Appeasement and taking marching orders from The UN and The goddam EU
Why would any American want to listen to these two organizations. The UN needs to get out, the american people need to throw them out of here. And the goddam Europeans, who still do not get it. They are toothless, and cannot resolve political conflict. We then fall into their trap, for fighting for them, eg: The Balkans-The euros wanted to protect the muslims against the Serbs, who were smart enough to see that the Kosivars were terriorists and wanted to kill them. Whom did we bomb- The Serbs, WRONG CHOICE. Yet the Dems drool over these two worhless organizations.

Gitmo and rights for terriorist- WTF? Do you clowns on the left think that Iran, Al-Queda etc.. give any captured combatants any rights? No, usually they hold them for ransom, or cut their throtas like sheep in the slaughterhouse.

Wire tapping- So What..... Why not I it can stop an attack.


Now for the Republicans and the Christians........


Abortion- Do the christains want to adopt all of these kids that are unwanted? ya, I am pro-choice, but hate the late term shit, but who am I to say what is moral? And who is the congress? Roe vs Wade is law, leave it alone.

Tax breaks for churches- make them pay, instead of pandering to them, tax Jesus also- for in America- Jesus is a corporation, preaches make money, they are not passing the hat at church for your salvation, but for Brother Leon's new cadillac, or Pastor Fred's now Explorer.

Illegal Immigration- The republicans are MUCH WORSE than the democrats on this, except for Tancredo and a few others, who understand the real issue. The rest of the republican turn a blind eye for they are in bed with the corporations that hire these illegals, thus depressing wages and causing the taxpayers to pay for medical, welfare, Social security etc.. for them. At least with the Dems you know what their aganda is as far as illegals.

Corruption- Too many reoublicans getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar, at least the DEMS are smarter in covering their tracks, except for Jefferson from Louisiana, for which nothing will happen, for you see in America black politicians can do as they please, without punishment in most cases, because the media protects them and whites are afraid of being called racists. But the Abranoff scandal really taints the republicans.

Internet gambling ban and tightening of restrictions on foreign marraiage agencies- Government needs to stay out of this- This again was led by the far right, the Chrisitans were behind the tightening on the marraige agenices, for you see the christain right wants us to marry the goddam fat overweight white woman that goes to church, and gets angrey when we marry the much younger colombiana or girl from Asia.

Also get Politicians from all walks of life in there. We may get fresher ideas and get the stench of Lawyers out of there

[Bart9000]

Want to know the difference between me and you?


You say that I'm not worth the effort.

I've PROVEN that you aren't.


B9k

[Hardbarg]

You just don't get it. You're not worth the effort.

[Bart9000]

It's bad enough trying to clean up your sloppy thinking, I don't have to deal with your sloppy presentation.

And here we have the dual rationalization/insult........still just "noise" of course, which means nothing but...........

Do you really think anyone believes that you have some brilliant counter-argument sandbagged, but refuse to present it on the grounds that you find my "sloppy thinking" (which I posit is actually inasmuch as that phrase has meaning at all that, that YOU who are engaging in it as YOU are the one who can't use logic and reason), and sloppy formatting objectionable.

Do you know why you can't argue with me? Because your ideology is based not in reason and rational thought, but instead in ignorance, "feelings", and "common sense" (self serving, comforting, drivel).

So, at this time, I will repeat MYSELF. The world REALLY needs the input from people like you (see above) about the way that it should be run, and you should shut the fuck up and go back to giving Rush Limbaugh a rimjob.

B9k

[Hardbarg]

It's bad enough trying to clean up your sloppy thinking, I don't have to deal with your sloppy presentation.

[Bart9000]

.....pathetic rationalization!!!!!!!!

The substitution of a rational pretext for a real reason, with an implication of self-delusion or hypocrisy; the improvisation of a plausible reason for a human action when one either does not realize the real reason or seeks to keep it secret; the use of a false but reasonable justification or interpretation of an attitude or action, which appears to be unsatisfactory or contrary to accepted reasoning, when one is either ashamed or not aware of his actual motive. HA. 78-79; TH. 280-82.
www.mises.org/easier/R.asp

Lets have Lesson 2: (Subtitled-"How not to be an irrational ignorant moron")

A "sound argument" generally consists of two things. A conclusion, and factual, valid supporting evidence (I may be using incorrect terminology)

When an argument is put forth, and is sound, it is presumed to be the winner, unless the other side can do one of two things:

1: Prove that the supporting evidence is not factual.

2. Prove that the supporting evidence which MAY in fact BE factual, does not suport the conclusion that is drawn from it as the premise of the argument. .


These are the ONLY things that "knock down" a "sound" argument, and making it "unsound", thus making the holder of the opposing position the winner of the debate.

Included in the list of things that DO NOT make an opposing argument "unsound" are some of the following:

Logical Fallacies (Ad Hominem and others)

Insults-"You are childish" "You are a sloppy thinker"

Rationalizations, such as "You just aren't worth it", "I'm not even going to read that because the formatting is terrible"


Reiterating, until you come up with a way to either prove that my supporting points are non-factual, or do not support my conclusion, you LOSE the argument. End of story. You can protest, rationalize deny and insult all day long, but that is all just basically pointless meaningless "noise".

Later, we'll deconstruct your last pathetic attempt to do this.

B9k

[Hardbarg]

You just don't get it. You're not worth the effort.

[Bart9000]

Please tell me that you're going to hold your breath and stamp your feet until you get your way.

And here we have documentation that you lack to lack the brainpower to even create a DIFFERENT batch of invalid meaningless crap, and are instead repeating yourself. You really are pathetic. At least next time, pound on the keyboard:


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Doing so would have exactly the same amount of validity and meaning, but would at least be something different to look at.



Well, I've pretty much definitively proven that you have the reasoning and analytical skills of your average gelatinous dessert. We REALLY need to hear more from people like you about how the world should be run.

But fear not-all isn't lost. Later, if I'm feeling motivated, I will continue to educate you in the mysterious ways of logic and reason. Be warned however if you master them you will have to change your political ideology.
B9k

[Hardbarg]

Please tell me that you're going to hold your breath and stamp your feet until you get your way.

[Bart9000]

Please tell me that you're going to hold your breath and stamp your feet until you get your way.

And what we have here is yet even another Ad Hominem logical fallacy, attacking me with a charge of implied childishness in leiu of anything even remotely resembling a substantive valid response. You don't seem to be able to do anything except generate these. Perhaps you should study up a bit, and improve your repertoir (sp?) of ignorance...maybe you could move up to say another right wing favorite the "straw man":

From wikipedia

In Logic

"An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself (Are you paying attention douchebag?). The implication is that the person's argument and/or ability to argue correctly lacks authority. ............"

Hmmmm....Know what else I don't see here? A FACTUAL justification that I have "sloppy thinking". Am I to assume then that by the rules you play by, again, one only need utter an assertion to have it be fact, without any support in reality? That being the case, having previously uttered said assertion, I must chastize you for your molestation under the pretense of hygeine of prepubescent third world boy's soccer teams. That type of behavior really is reprehensible and despicable. I understand that it is the "in" thing among the regressives in the GOP this year, but c'mon. I thought you people believed in "traditional values"....why don't you just let those "boys be boys".

B9k

[Hardbarg]

I want to hear one of three things out of you. Anything else that you post has exactly as much validity as pounding on the keyboard:

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1. A relevant valid response to my points below. You can spew logical fallacies, things you "know" (but can't intellectually justify----those are called "feelings", and they matter for nothing), and insults all day long...they prove noting but your idiocy.

2. You not acting like a fucking pussy, manning up, finding some testicles, and admitting you are wrong.

3. Shut the fuck up and go back to giving Rush Limbaugh a rimjob.

So which one is it going to be?


B9k

Please tell me that you're going to hold your breath and stamp your feet until you get your way.

[Bart9000]

Bart9000

Don't waste your breathe on these Ditto-Heads. They are too stupid to realize their news sources are being manipulated.

Digitalcurry

I know that it is an exercise in futility, but I feel a certain obligation to try drag these mouth breathing, ass backwards REGRESSIVE (lets stop using the euphemism "conservative" and call it for what it is) dipshits into at least the twentieth century. Besides, it's kind of fun demonstrating to the world how these schmuck can't think logically, and that their worldview is based in "feelings" (They refer to them as things that they KNOW, or "common sense") and kneejerk reactionalism.


Obviously, I'm going to have to educate this fucktard:
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Lesson #1

Hey Douchebag,

Do you or do you not understand that you saying something does not make it a factual statement? For example, you have stated several times that I have "sloppy thinking". In what way is my thinking sloppy? Does you saying that I do make it a factual truth? If no further standard is applied than for something to be uttered from the lips, then I will make a statement that you like to give tongue baths to Bangladeshi pre-pubescent boys after they finish their soccer games. THERE!!!! See, I said it, so it's a factual truthful statement. That is exactly the standard that you want to be held to. So.........sweaty little Bangladeshi boys it is.

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Just watch too......I bet he is getting ready to start crying about (due to my usage of profanity) the "assault on traditional American Values" and "war on our culture" ...................on the fucking ISG....Generally speaking, I just LOOOVE that one.....These fucking pricks brag all day long about the Constitution and all of the freedom that the Bill of Rights guarantees............until someone says something they don't like.....then it's time to find a pretense to shut them up.


B9k

[Digital Curry]

I've often wondered what the result would have been if we DIDN'T fund the Mujahadeen and just stayed out. I feel that one scenario is that the Soviets would have had their hand buried inside a hornets nest while we sat back and watched the result with amused interest. Bin Laden may now have been solely THEIR problem (in Afghanistan AND possibly Chechnya) instead of ours.

American adventurism has always resulted in awful unintended consequences.

[Sinanju Master]

Let's not forget that Carter was responsible for funding and arming the Mujahideen against the Soviets. Some say that support started earlier, and actually caused (provoked) the Soviet invasion. Reagan continued the policy. The Mujahideen, of course, morphed into the Taliban, and somewhat less directly, into Al Qaeda. A classic case of blowback.

I've often wondered what the result would have been if we DIDN'T fund the Mujahadeen and just stayed out. I feel that one scenario is that the Soviets would have had their hand buried inside a hornets nest while we sat back and watched the result with amused interest. Bin Laden may now have been solely THEIR problem (in Afghanistan AND possibly Chechnya) instead of ours.