American Politics

[PVMonger]

The FBI just said there was no plan. Just some guys who got whipped up into a frenzy by a bunch of federal agents / informants, and the Capitol police. Who were deliberately undermanned on the day, thanks to Pelosi's refusal to allow the requested reinforcements. Stepped aside and let them into the building.

They wandered around aimlessly, shouted a bit, took some selfies, and left.

Unlike in BLM / antifa riots, no fires were started; nothing was vandalised or looted; nobody was killed or injured except Ashli Babbitt.

As for your comment "law enforcement agencies do this all the time" regarding unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators: not in the biggest, most high profile case in decades. And it is not one or two, it is literally dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the heart of the small group that first entered the Capitol.

Who are the unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the groups who entered the Capitol? Were they working for or with federal or intelligence agencies at the time? The American people need to know, in such a high profile case.

Nobody is in jail on serious charges. The feds have announced that all the "conspiracy", "insurrection" bullshit is being dropped, because it would force them in discovery to identify which of the organisers were federal agents / informants. The answer: most of them..

The January 6th insurrection wasn't a tourist visit, an aimless stroll or anything else.

Trumpers understand absolutely nothing about policing, especially under cover operations. You only understand policing when they are thumping the skulls of people you hate.

The only people who don't understand what I just wrote are looking at the world with their heads somewhere else.

[Chris P]

The FBI report said the former guy and his merry-misfit-morons didn't "plan" the riot in advance. What it did not say was that no pre-planning by anybody else took place. It also did not say that the rioters didn't understand the former guy's code words. After all, virtually every rioter that has been before a judge has used so form of "trump invited us" or "trump told us what to do".

Was there pre-planning? Abso-freakin-lutely. https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-me...ted-in-advance.

And please stop with the rightwingnut "unindicted co-conspirator" cockamamie nonsense. Law enforcement agencies do this all the time. Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa / Democrats / other groups you hate?

The FBI just said there was no plan. Just some guys who got whipped up into a frenzy by a bunch of federal agents / informants, and the Capitol police. Who were deliberately undermanned on the day, thanks to Pelosi's refusal to allow the requested reinforcements. Stepped aside and let them into the building.

They wandered around aimlessly, shouted a bit, took some selfies, and left.

Unlike in BLM / antifa riots, no fires were started; nothing was vandalised or looted; nobody was killed or injured except Ashli Babbitt.

As for your comment "law enforcement agencies do this all the time" regarding unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators: not in the biggest, most high profile case in decades. And it is not one or two, it is literally dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the heart of the small group that first entered the Capitol.

Who are the unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the groups who entered the Capitol? Were they working for or with federal or intelligence agencies at the time? The American people need to know, in such a high profile case.

Nobody is in jail on serious charges. The feds have announced that all the "conspiracy", "insurrection" bullshit is being dropped, because it would force them in discovery to identify which of the organisers were federal agents / informants. The answer: most of them.

Just like the "kidnap" case against Gretchen Whitmer aka the Grannyslayer: it turned out that *the majority* - yes, not one or two, but THE MAJORITY. Of the people involved in that so-called plot were federal agents / informers, including the ones who were pushing it the hardest.

The FBI, which is sadly now a part of the politicised Washington swamp (as we saw from the Strzok / McCabe / Comey fiasco), is scrambling desperately to cover up the fact that it and other intelligence agencies planned the whole Jan 6 charade via dozens of agents / informants who are the unindicted, unnamed co-conspirators. But it is failing to do so.

As I said, all the serious charges have now been dropped; the guys languishing in jail for months are on charges of trespass. Why would the feds scour the country in their biggest operation ever to grab guys on trespass charges, yet allow dozens more to get away scot free?

The only answer is that they can't indict or name those guys, or even proceed in cases against others which would involve those guys, because they were working for the feds. Entrapment much?

So they are forced to admit that there was no plan, no "insurrection", and yet again the fake news narrative collapses. Just as it did with the Trump / Russia Mueller farce, Fentanyl Floyd, the fake Whitmer plot, covid hysteria, and most everything else they report.

The Washington swamp working in conjunction with the very fake news. A truly repulsive spectacle. The sooner we are out of it one way or another, the better.

[Travv]

Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? Can't imagine why they wouldn't want more Muslims in airliners flying to the USA. . . Think there is a saying that covers this. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Some people simply can't learn from experience.

In other news: Biden Demands Whoever The President Is Take Full Responsibility For This Mess.

Washington, DC. —In a forceful press conference today, Biden called for whoever the President is to "clean up this mess" in Afghanistan. Quote Listen folks, this is ridiculous! Unquote said President Biden. Who's running this country anyway? I demand accountability! The President must be held responsible for this debacle!

An aide attempted to whisper in his ear that he was the President, but Biden whirled around and punched the aide right in the nose in a flurry of righteous anger. How dare you sneak up on me while I'm holding the President to account! Said Biden. The White House press conference was then abruptly interrupted by the evening call to prayer. . .

This is a surprise to no one:

Former Pence aide says Trump and Stephen Miller fought against taking Afghan refugees with racist hysteria.
Olivia Troye slammed previous administrations failure to help allies who were lifelines in Afghanistan
Aug. 20,2021.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1906190.html

[PVMonger]

These people have Trump Derangement Syndrome. He is in their head 24/7. They can't sleep for thinking about him, their hatred burning as they toss and turn.

As for investments, shutting down the economy for years and printing trillions of dollars of funny money might not be the best way to run an economy.

As long as the former guy and the 74 million supporters of the former guy continue to lie and try to rewrite history, people will post facts that counter the lies. It is just that simple. And saying that the 82 million people who voted for Biden have trump derangement syndrome is ludicrous. Look up the definition of "cult" and then you might understand why we say you have TCS (trump cult syndrome).

On the economic front, I have two (2) easy questions for you. 1. Did the former guy say that the stock market would decline if Biden was elected? 2. Has it? If so, you and he don't know much about the economy.

And by the way, didn't the former guy say that we'd never from him again if he lost? Guess he lied about that, too.

[EihTooms]

Right, if only it were true!
...

Trump has not lost one of those 74,000,000 loony Repub votes. Not even after his January 6 Traitor Trump Insurrection And Attempted Overthrow of American Democracy Violent Cop-Attacking MAGA Rally. If anything, because of it.

If State level Repubs succeed in twisting and rigging the system by 2024 if not by 2022 in a way that every Repub candidate will "win" every election no matter what the actual vote is then Trump will declare his candidacy for 2024.

If not, Trump will most certainly continue to be the lord, savior and king-maker for the Republican Party. EVERY Repub that runs for the office, maybe every office, MUST prove himself/herself as much of a "Trump" as Trump ever was if not worse or there is no chance they will win the nomination in a primary.

LOL. As far as getting over someone who is supposedly done and gone goes, Trump's loony cult followers are still chanting "LOCK HER UP!" at Trump's personal bank account fund-raising rallies. Lol.

[Xpartan]

You've got to get over Trump man he's gone.

Right, if only it were true!

If you have a problem with how they rated a source, then look at why they rated it the way they did. They tell you exactly which articles they used, how they rated them and give you the ability to click on the same article and read it for yourself.

But rating specific sources wasn't the intent of my post in the first place. What I intended was to get people to look at where they get their news from, the relative reliability of that source and what bias that source has. If someone gets all of their news from the National Review (and sources like it) and feels like those sources report a "centrist" view, that person is seriously mistaken.

I understand the purpose of that chart and MOSTLY agree with their distribution, but what possessed them to place hired guns like RT and Sputnik on the same level as CNN? And Fox above MSNBC? Of course, MSNBC is far from perfect, but they don't lie habitually like FOX. All I'm saying is that some items in that chart simply undermine their credibility.

The FBI report said the former guy and his merry-misfit-morons didn't "plan" the riot in advance. What it did not say was that no pre-planning by anybody else took place. It also did not say that the rioters didn't understand the former guy's code words. After all, virtually every rioter that has been before a judge has used so form of "trump invited us" or "trump told us what to do".

Was there pre-planning? Abso-freakin-lutely. https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-me...ted-in-advance.

And please stop with the rightwingnut "unindicted co-conspirator" cockamamie nonsense. Law enforcement agencies do this all the time. Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa / Democrats / other groups you hate?

For the life of me, I don't get it how they can keep a straight face while parroting the party lime that Trump didn't incite the riot.

I mean, forget the legalities, but what could "fight like hell" have possibly meant? What else is it? Fight who? Fight how?

The Congress was certifying the election. The only way to fight it was to interrupt that certification.

Fight like hell or you won't have a country, he said.

How else could've they fought if not by stopping the certification? And how could've that been achieved other than by physically being there, inside?

Peaceful demonstration, my ass!

A peaceful demonstration wouldn't have had a chance to stop anything. The certification was in motion.

He said fight like hell, and they did, because fight like hell was exactly what he wanted.

[Paulie97]

Well, then this ought to hearten you about Biden:

We're having the best Bull Market Rally under Biden since FDR.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/01/99216...ally-since-fdr

That report was in May. The USA Stock market has continued to climb since then.

Now, if you'd prefer another Bear Market Crash or two along with a perpetual anti-science lunatic-produced virus variant to cripple worldwide economies and international travel for the foreseeable future, our elections are so close a few more false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" assertions about Dems vs Repubs here, there, in the media, the social networks, online, anywhere might do the trick in putting QAnon Repubs in office in California, other states, the House, the Senate and the White House who are exactly the ones to do it.

Florida's Ron DeSantis would be perfect for that goal. Or maybe Trump will run again after State Repubs rig the system and the vote counts so he knows he can't possibly lose again. Either way, any Repub who enters on those terms will be a QAnon Repub Trump Wannabe so-called potus. And they will produce another colossal fuck up of whatever they touch.

This is just a collosal load of fallacious slippery slope, black and white Chicken Little horsehit. Trump exacerbated the pandemic, as he mimimized it for for his political asperations. But it was going to happen on a worldwide scale anyway. You do the leftward side, which is my side, no favors with these shrill gyrations, blaming him for the everything, that any halfway educated person can see through. And no Repulicans aren't to blame for all the recessions which you in your hysterics call "crashes. " That has been proven. Reasonable people just want the truth, which involves finding the strengths in all perspectives, and are tired off the partisan hyperbole. A Chicken Little like you is as much a part of the problem as the Trumpster Chicken Littles. Sad to say.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

[Chris P]

Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa?

This is the problem. BLM / antifa are permitted to burn, loot and destroy cities, causing billions of dollars of damage, attacking federal buildings and trying to burn down police precincts with people inside, and they face no consequences.

Leftwing democrat shithole city mayors refuse to allow the local cops to enforce the law; and on the rare occasion one of them does get arrested, they get sprung on bail immediately and then the far-left Soros-funded democrat the drops all charges.

Compare that to the 6 months and counting of cruel and unusual punishment in solitary confinement for people who committed no acts of violence, didn't burn, loot or attack anyone, but simply trespassed through an open door.

Antifa in particular is a well-funded, well-organised violent domestic terror group which operates across various states, but the FBI and other Washington swamp intelligence agencies refuse to do anything about it and its attacks. Instead, they create fake "plots" such as the Whitmer kidnap hoax, in which the majority of organizers who pushed the plan were feds.

Democrat shithole city cops and the FBI are both massively biased. The only hope that conserative heritage Americans have is to move to a red area of a red state, where the local sheriff is elected and therefore sane. Otherwise the mob will get to you eventually.

No wonder Harris wants to centralise control of all police in a federal system reporting to her. The day that that happens is the day American freedom dies. Conservative patriots must not allow it.

[Chris P]

You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. The only thing that matters now is the current administration for the next 3 years and 4 months. I live in Thailand so I don't give a shit who is in power or what happens on a day to day basis in the USA. All I care about is the stock market and my other investments in America. If those stay protected and grow I'll vote for the current administration again. So if all your claims about the great economy under Democratic leadership is true I'll vote for democrats. When I lived and owned a small business in America I did normally vote mostly Republican because I was more aligned with their agenda. I didn't always vote Republican and I didn't vote for Trump, but living in Texas my vote didn't really matter much on National races as the state voted Republican for as long as I can remember.

These people have Trump Derangement Syndrome. He is in their head 24/7. They can't sleep for thinking about him, their hatred burning as they toss and turn.

As for investments, shutting down the economy for years and printing trillions of dollars of funny money might not be the best way to run an economy.

[PVMonger]

After several months of lies pushing a false narrative, the FBI has now admitted that there was no coordinated, organized plot to overturn the election on January 6.

https://ricochet.com/1030850/capitol...-insurrection/

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exc...es-2021-08-20/

In fact, any coordination that existed was done by FBI agents / informants, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the charging documents (of protesters charged with the terrible crime of "trespassing" Any criminal case on this basis would be forced to reveal the identities of these people. They cannot do that, so they dropped the whole thing.

Another fake news narrative proved false, following on from Trump-Russia, Fentanyl Floyd, covid lockdown hysteria, and many more.

Meanwhile actual news, such as the Hunter Biden laptop detailing both his own crimes (drug abuse, falsely filling out a firearm application, disposing of a firearm in a garbage can) and wider corruption among the Biden crime family (bribes and no-work jobs for Hunter; "10% for The Big Guy") is suppressed.

The FBI report said the former guy and his merry-misfit-morons didn't "plan" the riot in advance. What it did not say was that no pre-planning by anybody else took place. It also did not say that the rioters didn't understand the former guy's code words. After all, virtually every rioter that has been before a judge has used so form of "trump invited us" or "trump told us what to do".

Was there pre-planning? Abso-freakin-lutely. https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-me...ted-in-advance.

And please stop with the rightwingnut "unindicted co-conspirator" cockamamie nonsense. Law enforcement agencies do this all the time. Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa / Democrats / other groups you hate?

[EihTooms]

You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. The only thing that matters now is the current administration for the next 3 years and 4 months. I live in Thailand so I don't give a shit who is in power or what happens on a day to day basis in the USA. All I care about is the stock market and my other investments in America. If those stay protected and grow I'll vote for the current administration again. So if all your claims about the great economy under Democratic leadership is true I'll vote for democrats. When I lived and owned a small business in America I did normally vote mostly Republican because I was more aligned with their agenda. I didn't always vote Republican and I didn't vote for Trump, but living in Texas my vote didn't really matter much on National races as the state voted Republican for as long as I can remember.

Well, then this ought to hearten you about Biden:

We're having the best Bull Market Rally under Biden since FDR.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/01/99216...ally-since-fdr

That report was in May. The USA Stock market has continued to climb since then.

Now, if you'd prefer another Bear Market Crash or two along with a perpetual anti-science lunatic-produced virus variant to cripple worldwide economies and international travel for the foreseeable future, our elections are so close a few more false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" assertions about Dems vs Repubs here, there, in the media, the social networks, online, anywhere might do the trick in putting QAnon Repubs in office in California, other states, the House, the Senate and the White House who are exactly the ones to do it.

Florida's Ron DeSantis would be perfect for that goal. Or maybe Trump will run again after State Repubs rig the system and the vote counts so he knows he can't possibly lose again. Either way, any Repub who enters on those terms will be a QAnon Repub Trump Wannabe so-called potus. And they will produce another colossal fuck up of whatever they touch.

[PVMonger]

I'm not sure about that infographics. AP might be indeed a reliable source -- but only when it's not fighting for the Palestinian cause. And I don't know much about Al Jazeera, but don't they refer to Islamic terrorists as martyrs?

OK, let's forget about Israel and the Middle East, but they put Sputnik -- a Kremlin propaganda mouthpiece on the same line as CNN. Murdoch's Fox and NY Post, plus Washington Examiner are somehow above MSNBC (come on, really?). MSNBC, somehow, is found on the same level as another Putin's pet RT, conspiracy monger Zero Hedge and Washington Times.

Nah, something's not right.

If you have a problem with how they rated a source, then look at why they rated it the way they did. They tell you exactly which articles they used, how they rated them and give you the ability to click on the same article and read it for yourself.

But rating specific sources wasn't the intent of my post in the first place. What I intended was to get people to look at where they get their news from, the relative reliability of that source and what bias that source has. If someone gets all of their news from the National Review (and sources like it) and feels like those sources report a "centrist" view, that person is seriously mistaken.

[Houston Player]

Yes, Trump reduced the troop level to that dangerous, unworkable level 5 days before he should have been engaging in a peaceful transition of power to the incoming administration and further fucked up our ability to withdraw from Afghanistan, putting Biden in the position of either having too few boots on the ground to do it or sending thousands more troops in, which he did, giving every war mongering hawk the hope that we'll stay there another 10 years and Trillion dollars because, you know, "victory is right around the corner."

HP, if you're going to insist we ignore the colossal fuck ups of the one side that produces nothing but colossal fuck ups economically and in terms of national security in some misguided attempt to come off looking fair, balanced, insightful and nuanced, you might as well own up to simply wanting that side to win every close election by hook or by crook so we can have nothing but colossal fuck ups far into the future. That's what an insistence on false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" produces; election wins for the side that produces colossal fuck ups whenever they are given the chance.

At this point we have eye witness and documented evidence of Trump and his administration purposely laying the groundwork for this event being a colossal fuck up, which is why I posted that report, and zero evidence that was the way Biden and his administration approached it. If you have a report on Biden's intentions regarding the visas and withdrawal that matches the one I posted about Trump and his Team, by all means post it and I will reconsider laying so much blame for this on one side. If you can't, then I guess there is no reason to "spread the blame around" or to focus unrealistically on honest and possibly unavoidable mistakes.

If anything, it is not nearly the fuck up Team Trump wanted it to be thanks to Biden. You think this was a fiasco under Biden? There is no way it wouldn't have been 1000 times worse if Trump's QAnon loons had actually attended a "reinstatement" inauguration of Traitor Trump on Friday the 13th and he was the lord and savior running the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. The only thing that matters now is the current administration for the next 3 years and 4 months. I live in Thailand so I don't give a shit who is in power or what happens on a day to day basis in the USA. All I care about is the stock market and my other investments in America. If those stay protected and grow I'll vote for the current administration again. So if all your claims about the great economy under Democratic leadership is true I'll vote for democrats. When I lived and owned a small business in America I did normally vote mostly Republican because I was more aligned with their agenda. I didn't always vote Republican and I didn't vote for Trump, but living in Texas my vote didn't really matter much on National races as the state voted Republican for as long as I can remember.

[EihTooms]

Tooms, you should stop blaming prior administrations for what is currently happening today. Even if prior administrations were at fault, are to blame, they created the problem or inherited the problem but didn't resolve it. Everything that happens going forward is the responsibility of the current administration. They will be judged on how they handle solving these problems or making things worse. The pandemic, vaccine decisions and distribution, immigration, the economy, infrastructure bill, social programs and the rest of the budget and many others some new issues. What this administration is doing is what we should be discussing.

The majority agrees that withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan is the right thing to do, however the execution was entirely fucked up. You don't withdraw the soldiers before evacuating the citizens. Then saying oh shit we forget something and have to send more than double the troops that you withdrew in order to do what should have been done in the first place before whithdrawing the troops. This isn't over they still have an opportunity for this to end well by doing what's needed to finish the job. So we shouldn't pass final judgement yet. But if you can't admit that the way the administration executed the withdrawal then you're just a partisan left wing hack that has no credibility.

Yes, Trump reduced the troop level to that dangerous, unworkable level 5 days before he should have been engaging in a peaceful transition of power to the incoming administration and further fucked up our ability to withdraw from Afghanistan, putting Biden in the position of either having too few boots on the ground to do it or sending thousands more troops in, which he did, giving every war mongering hawk the hope that we'll stay there another 10 years and Trillion dollars because, you know, "victory is right around the corner."

HP, if you're going to insist we ignore the colossal fuck ups of the one side that produces nothing but colossal fuck ups on the economy and national security in some misguided attempt to come off looking fair, balanced, insightful and nuanced, you might as well own up to simply wanting that side to win every close election by hook or by crook so we can have nothing but colossal fuck ups far into the future. That's what an insistence on false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" where none exists produces; election wins for the side that creates colossal fuck ups whenever they are given the chance.

At this point we have eye witness and documented evidence of Trump and his administration purposely laying the groundwork for this event being a colossal fuck up, which is why I posted that report, and zero evidence that was the way Biden and his administration approached it. If you have a report on Biden's intentions regarding the visas and withdrawal that matches the one I posted about Trump and his Team, by all means post it and I will reconsider laying so much blame for this on one side. If you can't, then I guess there is no reason to "spread the blame around" or to focus unrealistically on honest and possibly unavoidable mistakes.

And, no, I am not going to consider posting a photo of a transgender next to a photo of Biden to be a persuasive "Bothsider" argument about this event. Lol. But you apparently saw nothing "partisan hacky with no credibility" about that post.

If anything, it is not nearly the fuck up Team Trump wanted it to be thanks to Biden. You think this was a fiasco under Biden? There is no way it wouldn't have been 1000 times worse if Trump's QAnon loons had actually attended a "reinstatement" inauguration of Traitor Trump on Friday the 13th and he was the lord and savior running the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

[Houston Player]

This is a surprise to no one:

Former Pence aide says Trump and Stephen Miller fought against taking Afghan refugees with racist hysteria.
Olivia Troye slammed previous administrations failure to help allies who were lifelines in Afghanistan
Aug. 20,2021.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1906190.html

Tooms, you should stop blaming prior administrations for what is currently happening today. Even if prior administrations were at fault, are to blame, they created the problem or inherited the problem but didn't resolve it. Everything that happens going forward is the responsibility of the current administration. They will be judged on how they handle solving these problems or making things worse. The pandemic, vaccine decisions and distribution, immigration, the economy, infrastructure bill, social programs and the rest of the budget and many others some new issues. What this administration is doing is what we should be discussing.

The majority agrees that withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan is the right thing to do, however the execution was entirely fucked up. You don't withdraw the soldiers before evacuating the citizens. Then saying oh shit we forget something and have to send more than double the troops that you withdrew in order to do what should have been done in the first place before whithdrawing the troops. This isn't over they still have an opportunity for this to end well by doing what's needed to finish the job. So we shouldn't pass final judgement yet. But if you can't admit that the way the administration executed the withdrawal then you're just a partisan left wing hack that has no credibility.