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07-29-21 03:36 #4135
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Would have been in place under Hillary.
The virus would have been identified and contained in China.
And the world (and world economy) could have escaped the needless damage of the TrumpShit Pandemic.
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07-29-21 03:23 #4134
Posts: 2344By Adam Kinzinger (Republican Congressman from Illinois)
On Jan. 6, hundreds of our fellow citizens stormed the USA Capitol, armed and ready for battle. For hours, broadcast live on television and streamed on social media, rioters attacked law enforcement and eventually breached the halls of Congress in an effort to stop the certification of the 2020 presidential election.
Their goal was to subvert America's democratic process and their means to this end was brute force and violent assaults on the men and women of the Capitol Police and Metropolitan Police Department.
How did this happen? Why? Who spurred this effort? Was it organized? When did our government leaders know of the impending attacks and what were their responses? What level of preparation or warnings did our law enforcement have? Was there coordination between the rioters and any members of Congress, or with staff?
We need answers and we need accountability, and the only way to get that is a full investigation and understanding of what happened to ensure nothing like this ever happens again. Such an investigation should include a serious look at the misinformation campaigns and their origins, the lies being perpetuated by leaders including by former President Donald Trump and what impact such false narratives had on the events leading up to and following Jan. 6. We need to be fearless about understanding the motivations of our fellow Americans, even if it makes us uncomfortable about the truth of who they are and the truth of who played what role in inspiring them.
I've never been pessimistic about the future of this country, but if we fail to do this and do this right I will have serious doubts about what the future looks like for America and for our democracy. Self-governance requires accountability and responsibility, and it's why I accepted Speaker Nancy Pelosi's appointment to serve on the House select committee to investigate the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, which is holding its first hearing on Tuesday.
I'm a Republican dedicated to conservative values, but I swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and while this is not the position I expected to be in or sought out, when duty calls, I will always answer.
This moment is bigger than me it's bigger than all of us because the future of our country is on the line. This is not about politics: For my part, my wife Sofia and I are expecting a baby boy early next year, and I have to make sure the future is a better one for him that the America he'll be born into is better than what we are facing right now. That facts will be the facts, and truth will prevail over the lies and conspiracies.
The oath many of us take to uphold our Constitution and defend democracy means something. I've taken this oath in my capacity as a member of Congress and in my service in the USA Air Force, and Air National Guard. And I'm committed to upholding my oath by serving on this committee to ensure we have accountability and transparency about the Jan. 6 insurrection.
In that spirit, I believe that all of us who have taken oaths to defend our Constitution must play a role in this inquiry if called upon. This includes members of Congress, military leaders, White House officials and key players in our intelligence field, among others.
Without question, the work of this committee needs to be a nonpartisan effort. It cannot continue to be a partisan fight, where we're taking every opportunity to discredit each other for perceived political points or fund-raising efforts. The childish mudslinging is not helpful and damages the already fragile integrity of our institutions. I urge all of my colleagues as well as the American people to unplug the rage machine and see this situation through clear eyes: America was attacked, and we deserve to know why and how it happened.
We need to restore some trust in this country, and that requires a full investigation of what happened and how the insurrection was able to take place. That's the goal. We need the facts and we need to lay them out for the country to see for themselves and face them head on. In order to heal from the damage caused that day, we must acknowledge and understand what happened, hold the responsible people accountable, learn from our past mistakes and move on stronger and secured in knowing that we as a nation will never let this happen again.
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07-29-21 02:56 #4133
Posts: 5478Trump's Pandemic
Originally Posted by NattyBumpo [View Original Post]
Then, had any of them somehow lost their minds and sight of their duty to protect the American people and the USA economy enough to have done such an idiotic thing, none of them would have compounded their idiotic, disastrous blunder by knowingly lying in sync with the leader of the country of the virus' apparent origin (or is it "oranges"?) about the ease of human-to-human spread as well as the deadly nature of it and then spent the next critical months mocking the proven mitigation measures and trying to convince anyone stupid enough to listen to them that "It's a HOAX!, we've got this under control, there will be NO coronavirus in the Fall (of 2020), this will go away WITHOUT a vaccine!" and anything else they could do and say to promote the spread of the virus, turn the Wuhan endemic most surely into the worldwide Pandemic it became and discourage the invention of a vaccine to defeat it.
But Trump did.
The fact that between golf rounds Trump came up with a brand name for the efforts to invent a vaccine for it DESPITE his nearly year long attempt to make sure nobody would bother inventing one is nice. But that in no way erases his incomparable contributions to requiring a "warp speed" invention of one to prevent hundreds of thousands if not millions more deaths asap in the first place.
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07-28-21 22:27 #4132
Posts: 1975The third option
Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
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07-28-21 20:35 #4131
Posts: 2344Real news about yesterday's hearing
When Liz Cheney was asked about comments that House Republican conference Chair Elise Stefanik had made earlier Tuesday seeking to blame House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for the insurrection, Cheney stressed that "what happened is absolutely clear."
Trump, she said, "lit the flame for what happened. We've seen that not just in the speech on the Ellipse, but throughout. What this committee needs to understand is exactly what the details were of the planning and the financing. But for anybody to be suggesting that somehow he wasn't responsible, I think it's shameful. ".
The comments from Cheney -- whom Stefanik replaced in May in the No. 3 role in the House Republican conference -- come hours after the House panel held its first meeting, featuring harrowing testimony from four officers who shared their stories of being attacked by rioters. The three-hour hearing was the opening act for the committee, which is preparing to investigate all of the circumstances surrounding the January 6 insurrection, including the role played by Trump.
In a pointed opening statement during the hearing, Cheney said it is imperative to "know what happened every minute of the day in the White House. Every phone call, every conversation, every meeting leading up to, during and after the attack."
"Honorable men and women have an obligation to step forward," the Wyoming Republican continued. "If those responsible are not held accountable, and if Congress does not act responsibly, this will remain a cancer on our Constitutional Republic, undermining the peaceful transfer of power at the heart of our democratic system."
Cheney and Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois -- the other Republican lawmaker on the panel -- have faced sharp blowback for joining Pelosi's committee after the speaker rejected two of McCathy's choices last week -- Reps. Jim Banks of Indiana and Jim Jordan of Ohio -- which prompted the GOP leader to withdraw all five of his picks.
A growing group of rank-and-file Republicans have argued the pair should be removed from their other committee slots. The two members, however, have said those threats won't deter them.
"I think that we are at a really important and frankly quite perilous moment. If we look the other way, if we accept what happened on January 6, if we accept what people -- my colleagues are saying that we should somehow look at this as a bunch of tourists. They are trying to whitewash it, ignore it," Cheney told Tapper on Tuesday.
"If we go down that path, then we really are abandoning the rule of law, and we are abandoning what is one of the most fundamental elements of our republic, which is the peaceful transfer of power."
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07-28-21 19:56 #4130
Posts: 3040Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
To his credit, Trump succeeded in getting the Vaccines manufactured and ready for roll out in large numbers before any other country and that is something the American Left try as hard as they can to erase from history will never succeed in doing. Again, Macron, Merkel, the Japanese, the Koreans, the Singaporeans: NOBODY succeeded in getting the vaccine into large scale production ready for distribution as soon as the CDC and other governmental World Health Regulatory Organizations gave their approval except President Trump and therefore it is without a doubt that Hillary, Nancy, Kamilla or Uncle Joe would not have done it either. Without Trump the vaccine roll out in the USA would have resembled the roll out in Canada or Germany.
Trump succeeded where no other political leader in the world did because he is a businessman and he knew that the only way to get the pharmaceuticals into early large scale production while their vaccines were still in the testing phase before obtaining government approval was with a billion dollar government purchase guarantee in case the vaccine did not pass the test phase. It was a tremendous gamble, and the Left would have been all over Trump if the vaccines had not eventually passed certification. But Trump took that risk and he deserves all the credit along with the Pfizer and Moderna Pharmaceutical companies for developing the vaccines in record time.
BTW, I received my 1st dose of the Moderna vaccine before Joe Biden was sworn into office. So please, no BS about Uncle Joe doing much of anything on this subject. The only positive thing that can be said about President Biden's role in all this is that his administration did not fuck up the roll out. Thanks' Uncle Joe. You the man!
But this is all water under the bridge. I understand the Left's reason to want to keep beating the Trump horse to death. They hate Trump beyond all reason plus they are deathly afraid he may run for President again and win. HA HA. Meanwhile, Uncle Joe is an incredibly weak President and Kamilla is generally disliked by all.
But if Trump did not do enough to curb the pandemic as you claim, then how can you defend Biden's open border policy? So far, at least 2 million illegal aliens have crossed the US-Mexico border since Biden became president of which an unknown, yet a statistically significant number of these illegals are carrying the active variant Covid 19 virus. This is 1 of 4 major factors that is going to sink the Woke Biden presidency.
#2 is the unrestrained violence surge in all Democratic one party controlled US cities.
#3 is Inflation & the Economy "stupid".
#4 is the shockingly radical, racist, Critical Race Theory being imposed on American school children against most parents wishes.
So, good Luck with all that. Better go back to Trump bashing. Is that still working for you guys?
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07-28-21 18:37 #4129
Posts: 1604Here's a question.
Originally Posted by Canada [View Original Post]
If your answer is "they're lying", then you hate cops.
If the answer is "they're telling the truth", then you support cops.
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07-28-21 18:33 #4128
Posts: 1604You are wrong. Again
Originally Posted by Canada [View Original Post]
Companies who import goods into the US pay import duties and tariffs to the USCBP. Therefore, the US collects the tariffs from the company doing the importation. That revenue goes to the US Department of the Treasury and those monies are, therefore. Wait for it. Taxpayer money.
So dump used taxpayer money to bail out farmers who were suffering due to a problem dump caused.
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07-28-21 18:31 #4127
Posts: 1068Read Biden 3.9 trillion stimulus after it is completed
Originally Posted by Beijing4987 [View Original Post]
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07-28-21 18:28 #4126
Posts: 1068Democrat Way
Originally Posted by Beijing4987 [View Original Post]
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07-28-21 17:44 #4125
Posts: 690Injections
Injections of strong light up the anus and drinking bleach did more to curtail Coffeffe than banning all flights from the Kung Flu epicenter. Nobody knew that the Secret Service could be such a lucrative cash cow for a loser? Stop the steal "merch" is also filling the piggy's bank.
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07-28-21 06:48 #4124
Posts: 1975China of course, but that's besides the point
Originally Posted by NattyBumpo [View Original Post]
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07-28-21 02:42 #4123
Posts: 690Liberal Wish Lists
Can someone define and give us the actual numbers for "Liberal Wish Lists" that tax payers in Blue States and Sanctuary Cities pay for in the bills that congress passes but does not read before voting on? It's called "I'll vote for your pork if you vote for mine, assisted by arm twisting by the leadership". Every state has a weapons producer, ensuring a yes vote. Will those making bold statements finally back them up or admit to a lack of information?
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07-28-21 01:07 #4122
Posts: 5478Trump's was neither temporary nor long term
Originally Posted by Canada [View Original Post]
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07-28-21 00:14 #4121
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by Beijing4987 [View Original Post]