American Politics

[D Cups]

Thanks, Natty. I think you you are right on all counts. This thread should be closed as it is not relevant to our hobby and it only exacerbates ill will among normally goodwilled individuals. If ge and others can keep their mouths shut on this topic I will, too.

Do you progressives actually read the propaganda and intolerance you post? Do you even care? None of you want to have a serious debate on the issues. I have tried a couple times to elevate the conversation with GE and he backs away every time. Everything you guys say about non-progressives is true about yourselves; you are intolerant, biased, doctrinaire as well as truly misinformed. I am sorry for the name calling, but you guys started it and you won't stop even though you claim otherwise.

I have one question for you geniuses; which side do you think is more tolerant of our little hobby. Progressives or conservatives? Do you not realize that what we like to do with young Asian girls is a capital sin in the Church of the Holy Progressive and church elders would make it a crime if they had the power which sadly you are only too willing to grant them? You are cutting your own throats.

P.S. Since you guys cannot give up on the insults and refuse to have honest debates, I propose this thread be closed. The ISG is about sex not politics. The insults you guys instinctively hurl around are only going to get uglier and uglier. I would like to stay above the fray and not post here, but some of the BS you guys post can't be ignored. I used to think some of you guys were good people, but your intolerant political beliefs are making this assumption impossible to maintain. I understand that this is a sign of the times. Red shirt vs Yellow shirts, but we really should try to keep this crap out of the forum or else there will be open hostilities! Isn't what brings us together Poontang? Sadly we have reached the point where the left and the right in America cannot talk to one another about politics. Eventually one side will prevail. I sincerely hope it is not your side because we will all be a lot worse off if the left wins this fight.

I wish you all the freedom to pursue your dreams and goals. Too bad you do not wish the same for me.

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[D Cups]

What on Earth have you "suffered"

To Smoothy, 2041, ge and all the other liberal idiots: the USA has suffered from record unemployment, record debt, record bureaucracy and record crime to name a few things. These are some of the reasons why obummer will go down as the worst president in the history of the USA. That and releasing known terrorist criminals so they can plan their next attack. Geez are you really THAT STUPID not to know this? His healthcare system was a disaster from inception. Of course you democrap dolts will fudge the numbers and pick your own nitnoy counterpoints -- fart factoids to disguise this reality. Choke on your beer you worthless pukes. Trump won. Deal with it. Stop whining like a baby with [CodeWord140] and shit in your [CodeWord131] and in your minds.

[Member #4698]

Do you progressives actually read the propaganda and intolerance you post? Do you even care? None of you want to have a serious debate on the issues. I have tried a couple times to elevate the conversation with GE and he backs away every time. Everything you guys say about non-progressives is true about yourselves; you are intolerant, biased, doctrinaire as well as truly misinformed. I am sorry for the name calling, but you guys started it and you won't stop even though you claim otherwise.

I have one question for you geniuses; which side do you think is more tolerant of our little hobby. Progressives or conservatives? Do you not realize that what we like to do with young Asian girls is a capital sin in the Church of the Holy Progressive and church elders would make it a crime if they had the power which sadly you are only too willing to grant them? You are cutting your own throats.

P.S. Since you guys cannot give up on the insults and refuse to have honest debates, I propose this thread be closed. The ISG is about sex not politics. The insults you guys instinctively hurl around are only going to get uglier and uglier. I would like to stay above the fray and not post here, but some of the BS you guys post can't be ignored. I used to think some of you guys were good people, but your intolerant political beliefs are making this assumption impossible to maintain. I understand that this is a sign of the times. Red shirt vs Yellow shirts, but we really should try to keep this crap out of the forum or else there will be open hostilities! Isn't what brings us together Poontang? Sadly we have reached the point where the left and the right in America cannot talk to one another about politics. Eventually one side will prevail. I sincerely hope it is not your side because we will all be a lot worse off if the left wins this fight.

I wish you all the freedom to pursue your dreams and goals. Too bad you do not wish the same for me.

[GoodEnough]

ElhTooms, it's not worth the effort. These righties only believe what Breitbart and Faux News tell them. They actually believe that Obama was a worse President than George W. Bush. Can you imagine how ill-informed someone has to be to draw that conclusion? They forget that it was on Bush's watch that the most successful foreign attack on USA Soil ever took place, and the reason it took place is because the Bushies ignored the Clinton administration's warning that Al Qaida was the single greatest threat to USA Security. And then Bush / Cheney invaded the wrong country, because they had a hard-on for Iraqi oil, and that catastrophe has given us what is today known as ISIS. And only THEN did Bush preside over the worst economic collapse to befall this country since the Great Depression in 1929 through the 1930's. A collapse so severe that over 1/2 of the entire aggregate wealth of Americans was wiped out. Oh, and BTW, that aggregate wealth was fully restored, and then some, during the 8 years of the Obama Presidency. But god forbid, people had to actually buy adequate health insurance under Obama, rather than free-ride on the system with only ER care and catastrophic coverage that was useless if they actually needed it.

And they think that Donald Trump is THEIR savior, not the most corrupt, ill-prepared, fraudulent charlatain ever to hold the office. A guy who Vladamir Putin put into office, and who is an unstable narcissist who is so hung up by the facts that Obama had a bigger crowd at his inauguration, and lost the popular vote by 3 Million citizens (but only the citizens of the well educated states) that he can't even focus on rolling out his first major promise without fucking it up by letting Stephen Bannon try to extend it to Green-Card holders, and as a result, got it blocked in court.

You're right, it's simply not worth the effort or time. People are either bright enough to read, understand and analyze facts and historical trends or they're not. Nothing you can say is going to make them any more intelligent. Further, since Trump supporters appear to inhabit a "fact-free" anti-science, a-historical universe, logical argumentation falls on deaf ears as you're arguing with folks who either do not understand logic and / or who automatically reject anything that doesn't confirm their warped world view. The bottom line for me is that enough people bought into the lunatic rantings of a sociopath who is now our president. That's sad and perhaps it will turn out to be tragic; however, his supporters are the lemmings of US politics and will follow him blindly over the cliff, chanting "American First" (whatever the hell that means) while plummeting to their deaths. So the trick, in my view, is to ignore the orange-skinned buffoon's visage to the extent possible, create your own little world into which his tiny fingers cannot intrude, and avoid confrontations that you cannot win. As a case in point, you might want to read the following:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/the-latest-voter-fraud-lie.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0

GE.

[Omega 3]

Am getting the very strong sense that there are certain vested interests who would reap enormous financial benefit from destabilizing and splitting the USA, and that destabilization is happening now.

It is in our common best interests to put aside differences and personal rancor. It is not the time for name-calling or casting blame or bickering. We must rise above all this, because we are facing a much more dangerous common threat to us all. We are at an important crossroad.

"United we stand, divided we fall".

OM.

[Member #2041]

What on Earth have you "suffered" as a result of those supposed transgressions? I'll bet the farm you, your parents and your grandparents suffered a hell of a lot more, genuine suffering and not this phony outrage "suffering" play-acted by the Dems' / Obama's political opponents, as a result of the horrifically failed Republiturd policies that led directly to the Great Republiturd Depression of the late 1920's / early 1930's, the Great Republiturd Reagan Recession of 1981-1983, and the Great Bush / Republiturd Recession of 2008-2009.

No other president of the last 100 years with the possible exception of FDR pulled us out of a deeper economic hole blasted into the system by still favorite Republiturd policies and into major economic recovery relative to where we were when he first took office than Barack Obama. Certainly no Republiturd president in history has bested him on that measure. And there isn't one chance in a trillion President Donald Trumpty-Dumpty is going to even come close to matching the improvements in the economy by the end of his term relative to what was happening in January 2017 as long as he continues to espouse and promote the exact same Supply-Side/Trickle-Down/lax regulation enforcement Republiturd economic nonsense policies that brought us those previous disasters.

ElhTooms, it's not worth the effort. These righties only believe what Breitbart and Faux News tell them. They actually believe that Obama was a worse President than George W. Bush. Can you imagine how ill-informed someone has to be to draw that conclusion? They forget that it was on Bush's watch that the most successful foreign attack on USA Soil ever took place, and the reason it took place is because the Bushies ignored the Clinton administration's warning that Al Qaida was the single greatest threat to USA Security. And then Bush / Cheney invaded the wrong country, because they had a hard-on for Iraqi oil, and that catastrophe has given us what is today known as ISIS. And only THEN did Bush preside over the worst economic collapse to befall this country since the Great Depression in 1929 through the 1930's. A collapse so severe that over 1/2 of the entire aggregate wealth of Americans was wiped out. Oh, and BTW, that aggregate wealth was fully restored, and then some, during the 8 years of the Obama Presidency. But god forbid, people had to actually buy adequate health insurance under Obama, rather than free-ride on the system with only ER care and catastrophic coverage that was useless if they actually needed it.

And they think that Donald Trump is THEIR savior, not the most corrupt, ill-prepared, fraudulent charlatain ever to hold the office. A guy who Vladamir Putin put into office, and who is an unstable narcissist who is so hung up by the facts that Obama had a bigger crowd at his inauguration, and lost the popular vote by 3 Million citizens (but only the citizens of the well educated states) that he can't even focus on rolling out his first major promise without fucking it up by letting Stephen Bannon try to extend it to Green-Card holders, and as a result, got it blocked in court.

[EihTooms]

You nailed it, Dg. OM, too. Irreconcilable. Still, I refuse to let the liberals get away with Trump-bashing given the last eight years of Obummer automatic freeloader freebies, muslim ass kissing, terrorist exonerations and trillion dollar deficits we have all suffered for. The democraps have lost face and power according to.

What on Earth have you "suffered" as a result of those supposed transgressions? I'll bet the farm you, your parents and your grandparents suffered a hell of a lot more, genuine suffering and not this phony outrage "suffering" play-acted by the Dems' / Obama's political opponents, as a result of the horrifically failed Republiturd policies that led directly to the Great Republiturd Depression of the late 1920's / early 1930's, the Great Republiturd Reagan Recession of 1981-1983, and the Great Bush / Republiturd Recession of 2008-2009.

No other president of the last 100 years with the possible exception of FDR pulled us out of a deeper economic hole blasted into the system by still favorite Republiturd policies and into major economic recovery relative to where we were when he first took office than Barack Obama. Certainly no Republiturd president in history has bested him on that measure. And there isn't one chance in a trillion President Donald Trumpty-Dumpty is going to even come close to matching the improvements in the economy by the end of his term relative to what was happening in January 2017 as long as he continues to espouse and promote the exact same Supply-Side/Trickle-Down/lax regulation enforcement Republiturd economic nonsense policies that brought us those previous disasters.

[D Cups]

You nailed it, Dg. OM, too. Irreconcilable. Still, I refuse to let the liberals get away with Trump-bashing given the last eight years of Obummer automatic freeloader freebies, muslim ass kissing, terrorist exonerations and trillion dollar deficits we have all suffered for. The democraps have lost face and power according to.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/06/de...inority-party. I don't want to be civil when I see my country brought to the brink of disaster given the above. I want to shake the shit out of dummies like good enough who is a poster boy for the idiots on the left.

But I believe the civility is gone. 20 some per cent of the voters were afraid to openly state their preference for Donald Trump and just went to the voting booths and voted. Now the left do not want to acknowledge him as president or his platform and will do everything to tear him down. Even worse is the right is ready to pull the carpet out from under the President. Neither political party is in charge, which is how the voters voted. Voters are tired of the do nothing politics.

Once again people want change but just don't take away their freebies!

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[Dg8787]

The sense I am getting is that there are huge and irreconcilable differences between "the US left (globalists)" and "the US right ("make America great again)". Huge and rancorous divisiveness, not seen since perhaps the days of the America Civil War.

Perhaps this is part of a stratagem created and fomented by the unscrupulous few, to eventually sunder and split apart the USA, for the greater monetary gain of a few plutocrats? "Divide and conquer"?

Just one man's musings.

OM.

I can't answer to since the days of the American Civil War as I wasn't around then.

But I believe the civility is gone. 20 some per cent of the voters were afraid to openly state their preference for Donald Trump and just went to the voting booths and voted. Now the left do not want to acknowledge him as president or his platform and will do everything to tear him down. Even worse is the right is ready to pull the carpet out from under the President. Neither political party is in charge, which is how the voters voted. Voters are tired of the do nothing politics.

Once again people want change but just don't take away their freebies!

[Golfinho]

The sense I am getting is that there are huge and irreconcilable differences between "the US left (globalists)" and "the US right ("make America great again)". Huge and rancorous divisiveness, not seen since
Perhaps this is part of a stratagem created and fomented by the unscrupulous few OM.

Nationalism wherever it is breaking out: Trumpmerica, Brexit, Spain-Greece-Hungary in the eurozone is just push back against the last several decades of neo-liberal (and it isn't left wing!) corporate based globalism. Notice how the US slaps down and smears any semblance of nationalism in countries Russian and Iran that they have not been able to co opt into their globalization scheme.

[Omega 3]

The sense I am getting is that there are huge and irreconcilable differences between "the US left (globalists)" and "the US right ("make America great again)". Huge and rancorous divisiveness, not seen since perhaps the days of the America Civil War.

Perhaps this is part of a stratagem created and fomented by the unscrupulous few, to eventually sunder and split apart the USA, for the greater monetary gain of a few plutocrats? "Divide and conquer"?

Just one man's musings.

OM.

[D Cups]

The creampuff crybabies are fading away but not fast enough IMHO. Cheers.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/06/de...inority-party/

[Wimble]

A good editorial is backed up with supporting facts. Yes, editorials may not tell both sides, but then a lot of so called "straight reporting" these days fail to tell both sides. CNN's election night coverage is a perfect example of biased "straight news".

Did you bother to read the WSJ editiorial.

Cannot read the WSJ unless you have a subscription. The interesting issue now is the First Amendment rights. WSJ editor got in trouble about a month ago by asking for objectivity. I got a red card for my Thai post, somewhat expected. Always thought those rights were only for US citizens on US soil. Now it appears there are more imperialistic views of those rights from the US, even though they are getting trampled in the US.

[Member #4698]

I believe the operative term here is "editorial. " The edifying purpose of editorials is to reinforce the thinking of like-minded people, and usually not to educate people with different perspectives. And please be clear that the WSJ's ideological take on the world is rarely consistent with the Democratic Party. So, is there some actual news here?

A good editorial is backed up with supporting facts. Yes, editorials may not tell both sides, but then a lot of so called "straight reporting" these days fail to tell both sides. CNN's election night coverage is a perfect example of biased "straight news".

Did you bother to read the WSJ editiorial. There is a very interesting insight into Cory Booker's motivations. I will quote it here:

"As recently as May 2016, Mr. Booker delivered an impassioned speech at the AFC's annual policy summit in Washington. He boasted about how Newark had been named by the Brookings Institution "the number four city in the country for offering parents real school choice. ".

He described the school-choice cause this way: "We are the last generation, fighting the last big battle to make true on thatthat a child born anywhere in America, from any parents, a child no matter what their race or religion or socio-economic status should have that pathway, should have that equal opportunity, and there is nothing more fundamental to that than education. That is the great liberation. ".

Some liberator. On Tuesday Mr. Booker voted no on Mrs. DeVos.

His calculation is simple. Mr. Booker is angling to run for President in 2020, and to have any chance at the Democratic nomination he needs the unions' blessing. He knows that a large chunk of both the party's delegates and campaign funding comes from the teachers unions, and so he had to repent his school-choice apostasy. ".

The last paragraph is editorial opinion. The 1st two paragraphs are fact. Look, if you don't see the unhealty relationship between the National Teacher's Union and the Democratic Party there is not much I can say to you. The fact is that American union run public schools in the inner cities are a disfunctional disgrace. If they were not we would not be having this conversation. The Dems have no ideas on how to improve things except to throw more money at the problem. At least the Republicans and Mrs. Devos have some new ideas. Why not let them try to improve things? As Trump says, "what have you got to lose?"

So what is wrong with injecting a little competition into the dysfunctional system and allowing charter schools? Please tell me why low income parents should not have a choice in where to send their kids for an education? Just like democrat politicians send their kids to expensive private schools if that is what the parents want or feel their children need. The only rational explanation why Dems fight this is because if school choice were to be succesful it would kill the golden goose. Union dues. I hope Mrs. DeVos will be successful. You should hope she is succesful too! To repeat: the current state of public eduication in the USA is a disgrace and a growing danger to our Democracy.

[Soapy Smith]

I have a hunch you were refering to Betsy DeVos when you made the above comments. So for your viewing entertainment and possible edification, here is a link to a recent WSJ editorial on Betsy entitled, "The Real Democratic Party, Why not a single Senate Democrat voted for Betsy DeVos."

I believe the operative term here is "editorial. " The edifying purpose of editorials is to reinforce the thinking of like-minded people, and usually not to educate people with different perspectives. And please be clear that the WSJ's ideological take on the world is rarely consistent with the Democratic Party. So, is there some actual news here?