American Politics

[Elvis 2008]

So, except for Donnie writing down an order for hamberders and giving it to an aide to fetch (which is considered personal), if a document (in any media form whatsoever) in any way had to do with Government business, that document must be turned over to NARA.

Actually, the way the warrant was written it would have covered Trump giving a written order for hamburgers, so you just stepped on your dick there.

More than that, this is an issue that should be settled in a court room not with machine guns. Can you come up with any reason NARA and the FBI needed the originals versus copies or Trump could not have kept copies of the declassified material outside of the Feds not wanting Trump to have those records? That is the issue.

Since all you dumb Dems have short term amnesia, let me remind you it was not Putin who cost Clinton the election in 2016 but FBI Chief James Comey. That moron decided not to prosecute Clinton and it was not his job to do so. What should have happened then was a group of prosecutors should have been selected in the most neutral way possible to decide if Clinton should have been charged. Instead this dumb shit Comey said, "No, gee, duh, I will do it. " and let Clinton off the hook. We know from the texts from Strzok and Page there was no way Comey was going to prosecute Clinton. In fact, Comey said while letting Clinton go that she broke the law and warned others not to.

So Comey looks like a partisan dope and to remedy the situation decides Clinton is going to win and says he is reopening his investigation into Clinton. Or maybe this is to get dirt on Clinton if she wins. Whatever the case, Trump wins, and the entire FBI leadership is shocked and then focuses their guns on Trump.

And now we know thanks to Mark Zuckerberg the Feds fucked around once again in an election process in 2020 by suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story at least on Facebook (and probably other social media companies) pushing the bullshit Russian disinformation line.

At the time, I was glad the FBI opened up its case against Clinton before the election, but in hindsight, it was clear to me that their doing so was bullshit, and I want the FBI a million miles away from deciding who is president but not you. Nah, you want the Dems to win and all the FBI has to do is posture that they are pro-Dem, and you are perfectly happy ceding the power of voting to them. You want a one party Democrat dictatorship.

[Spidy]

It appears there is no need to flee America, as you've previously mentioned. As 'White Supremacists', have set up shop in Idaho. And by "set up shop", I mean "A White Supremacist Homeland" ...

Yet, to figure out, if this a good thing. I mean, with all the "white supremacists" in one place, doesn't it make it easier, for the FBI to keep an eye on y'all?

Or are y'all think the FBI will be DE-FUNDED by then?

Get a clue bro. People that want to get away from all the brownies go where Bernie goes, Vermont baby!

Hell yeah, if it's brownies YOU WANT, I'll clue you in on the D/L. (In a low whisper...) It's not just Vermont, dude.

If you love brownies (and you sound like a closet brownie lover), I hear brownies are found all over America, in 52 states.

That's right, no political affiliation necessary, as this very nice, sweet, moist and delicious treat, is found everywhere, in America.

Enjoy brother!

[PVMonger]

If that was the issue, a simple copy machine would have been the solution.

That goes against what Trump said. He complied with the subpoena, and the proper course for not complying with a subpoena is to enforce it in court not get an illegal warrant and do a raid.

That is just not true. Why did they put a lock on the storage shed if all the documents were gone? You are making stuff up.

LOL. It is not the paper that matters. It is the content on the paper. If it was a matter of possession, a copy machine would have sufficed. Your defense is bullshit. The FBI did not want Trump to have those documents.

Copying of classified documents is strictly controlled. And not just any copy machine can be used. "§ 2400.30 Reproduction of classified information.

Documents or portions of documents and materials that contain Top Secret information shall not be reproduced without the consent of the originator or higher authority. Any stated prohibition against reproduction shall be strictly observed. Copying of documents containing classified information at any level shall be minimized. Specific reproduction equipment shall be designated for the reproduction of classified information and rules for reproduction of classified information shall be posted on or near the designated equipment. Notices prohibiting reproduction of classified information shall be posted on equipment used only for the reproduction of unclassified information. All copies of classified documents reproduced for any purpose including those incorporated in a working paper are subject to the same controls prescribed for the document from which the reproduction is made. " https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/32/2400.30.

Here's a timeline of the events.

January 2022.

The National Archives had asked Trump for some of the materials it believed had been taken from the White House and stored at Mar-a-Lago in Florida after Trump left office.

Trump turned over 15 boxes of materials taken from the White House after negotiating with officials at the National Archives in 2021.

According to officials, the boxes included personal letters and gifts Trump had received, including a congratulatory letter from former President Barack Obama.

"These records should have been transferred to NARA from the White House at the end of the Trump administration in January 2021," the National Archives said in a statement.

February 2022.

After going through the documents, the National Archives discovered what appeared to be classified information. They called on the Justice Department for guidance, according to the Times.

The agency confirmed on Feb. 18 that they found "classified national security information" among the boxes of the material turned over by Trump.

The finding raised concern among lawmakers, who started investigating through the House Committee on Oversight and Reform.

In a letter on Feb. 24, Rep. Carolyn be. Maloney, the chairwoman of the House Committee on Oversight and Reform, requested a detailed accounting from the National Archives of what was in the boxes.

April 2022.

In April, the Justice Department instructed the National Archives not to share any details about the classified materials found at Mar-a-Lago with the House Oversight Committee.

May 2022.

In early May, the Justice Department issued a subpoena to the National Archives to obtain the classified documents found within the boxes.

Spring 2022.

According to CNN, Trump aides including executive assistant Molly Michael, operations coordinator Beau Harrison, former White House staff secretary Derek Lyons, and former White House valet Walt Nauta, were interviewed by federal officials about the removal of documents to Mar-a-Lago or about their storage once brought to the resort.

June 3, 2022.

DOJ and FBI officials present a grand jury subpoena at Mar-a-Lago and are shown a storage room where boxes containing White House documents and other materials are kept.

According to The Wall Street Journal, Trump attorneys hand over documents marked as "top secret. ".

Trump attorneys also sign letter that Trump had no more classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

June 8, 2022.

Justice Department counterintelligence chief Jay Bratt reportedly sends a request that a stronger lock be put on the storage room door and that the boxes "be preserved in that room in their current condition until further notice. "

He signs off in the letter with, "Thank you. Very truly yours, Jay Bratt, chief of counterintelligence and export control section. "

June 22,2022.

Trump receives a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago, according to the Journal.

Aug. 5, 2022.

Reinhart issues a sealed search warrant for the former president's home.

Aug. 8, 2022.

FBI agents executed the search warrant at Mar-a-Lago, going through Trump's home for more than nine hours. According to reports, the agents concentrated on a bedroom, a safe, and at one point the former first lady Melania Trump's closet. The remaining boxes are removed from the storage room.

Aug. 11,2022.

Attorney General Merrick Garland holds a news conference to say that he personally approved the search of the former president's residence.

"The department does not take such a decision lightly," he said, adding, that "it is standard practice to seek less intrusive means as an alternative to a search, and to narrowly scope any search that is undertaken. " https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/...KWKWQSR4CV7WA/ and https://wsvn.com/news/politics/trump...t-sources-say/.

Gee, if what I said contradicts Donnie the Dumbass, could it be that Donnie lied? Again? Maybe a better question would be "when has he ever told the truth"?

Since I previously destroyed your so-called 4th Amendment argument, I won't bother to rehash it.

You really still don't "get it". Donnie the Dumbass was never supposed to have those documents in the first place. Unless that material was innocuous and obviously personal, like a order for hamberders or a note saying the he'd like Ivanka to sit on his face, anything having to do with government should have already been turned over to NARA. Those are the rules and I have previously explained them to you and cited sources. You may not believe the sources but them's the facts!

[PVMonger]

You really are in trouble if you feel compelled to be*tch about some your "pearls of wisdom" not having made it to the forum. I would've lost a count to my posts that haven't made it to the forum if I'd cared to pay attention, and somehow it's never ever occurred to me to complain about something so benign that could be anything, from a human error to a simple technical glitch to a mod's intentional action. What's wrong about all these passive-aggressive rightwing whiners who have to bich about every tiny thing.

Yep. Plus, Chrissie is a member of the moron brigade who aren't savvy enough to know that the opposite of "woke" is "asleep". I guess the moron brigade prefers to go through life hitting the snooze button every time the alarm goes off.

[Villainy]

For some reasons my reply to this post keeps being blocked. Have the woke censors got as far as the ISG? We really are in trouble.

In brief, Trump has such a vast and successful empire that bringing up individual parts of it where he or his subordinates used bankruptcy laws to their benefit is like making a video of all Tom Brady's sacks and interceptions, and using it to claim he is a terrible quarterback. Just obviously retarded.

Tom Brady has an incomparable record of success, Trump not at all. You can't equate excellence with mediocrity.

Until his run for president, he was universally recognized as a great American success story.

Universally recognized? As what? The King of Bankruptcy Court.

It is bizarre that leftists are so overcome with Trump Derangement Syndrome that they attempt to dispute these clear, obvious, acknowledged facts.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is a euphemism used to recast the word Reality. So call it 'fake news' or 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' but the reality is that Trump has been a consistant failure in his business efforts.

Using words like 'clear', 'obvious' and 'acknowledged' are a weak attempt used by someone who can't find factual sources to support their arguments.

As for tax returns, the IRS see them and certified there was no crime or evasion. That is all anyone needs to know. Why didn't Crooked Hillary release her medical records when she collapsed during the 2016 campaign? I recall that Trump promised to release his tax records if she released her medical records, but she declined. Seems that she had more to hide than just her crooked emails.

Well, Hillary did release her medical records or at least her Doctor did and gave summaries of her conditions. So where was Donny with his tax returns? Hmmm who had something to hide??

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN2413CK

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judysto...h=6217b35c5023

Again, claiming that Trump wasn't hugely wealthy because he didn't want to open the private tax records of himself and his vast business empire to public scrutiny is just silly, and yet another sign of TDS. You're really going to need to work on that before he wins the 2024 election, his third straight victory.

You mean that Donald didn't want people to see that he was a complete failure and his income tax returns would demonstrate that fact. Isn't that what he was afraid of??

[Elvis 2008]

Coincidence is not causality. This is the very first lesson every one learns in statistics. Instead of jumping to conclusions and being victim of confirmation basis, use your brain and ask yourself if there are other possible explanations, or COVID co-related factors that can account for an increase in the death rate. Also, looking at your description of RNA vaccine, I am not sure you understand the mechanisms by which mRNA vaccines are supposed to work.

Confirmation bias? How about your affirming the vaccines do any good at all? Why do you get a yearly flu shot against a cold virus yet this "vaccine" was supposed to work years after it was developed? This "vaccine" worked like a good cold virus would be expected to, great initially and then was totally ineffective a short time later. Biden, Fauci, and the CEO of Pfizer were vaccinated x 4 and all got Covid. What more evidence do you need the vaccine does nothing? All cause mortality is higher in the vaccinated group than unvaccinated in many places. At present, this "vaccine" is no better than a placebo and much more dangerous than one. Do we still have a pandemic of the unvaccinated? What a crock of shit that was.

And you don't believe in global warming! Wow. In this day and age, and in the presence of so much data suggesting that phenomenon is the real deal. Do you understand the mechanism by which global warming is happening? How do you account for the droughts and record high temperatures that are being observed worldwide?

The collection of CO2 levels has only been going on since the 1950's, and there was a linear rise in CO2 and a falling in global temperatures the first 25 years CO2 was measured. Sunlight is not constant but varies year to year and the predictions of global warming have been shelved until 2050 due to the expected lower amounts of sunlight which just so happens to be when the scientists predicting Armageddon will no longer be around. On top of that, a slight change in the earth's axis caused an ice age around 10,000 years ago, and that could happen at any time. Even Bill Maher, the huge save the earth guy, has grown tired of predictions that the world will end in 20 years.

As Germany learned, green energy means no energy. Germany trying to use solar power may have been the dumbest exercise ever. Solar and wind make no sense because of a lack of storage capacity. Natural gas is like 300 X cleaner than coal which Germany was using for power. Germany had to switch to Russian gas after shutting down coal plants because their solar experiment was not working. With the Russians cutting off gas this winter, Europe is faced with the ultimate irony, people freezing their asses off this winter in the name of protecting the planet from global warming. And this too is something global warming nuts never mention, way more people die of cold related injuries every year than heat.

Rationally speaking, a move away from polluting coal was smart, but coal is not singled out. All fossil fuels, including super clean natural gas, are treated the same.

There is a rational way to deal with these things, and there is the dumb Dem virtue signaling way. Global warming is real, the vaccine is great, and those of you skeptical of those things want to destroy the planet and have people die of Covid. Jeez, give it a rest Karen.

[PVMonger]

If that was the issue, a simple copy machine would have been the solution.

That goes against what Trump said. He complied with the subpoena, and the proper course for not complying with a subpoena is to enforce it in court not get an illegal warrant and do a raid.

That is just not true. Why did they put a lock on the storage shed if all the documents were gone? You are making stuff up.

LOL. It is not the paper that matters. It is the content on the paper. If it was a matter of possession, a copy machine would have sufficed. Your defense is bullshit. The FBI did not want Trump to have those documents.

Here it is in black and white. https://www.archives.gov/presidentia.../1978-act.html and further https://www.archives.gov/files/guida...ation-2020.pdf.

It is absolutely not the paper that matters. Here is what the NARA considers "Presidential Records": "documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the.

President, the President's immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the.

President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities.

Which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other.

Official or ceremonial duties of the President. " {44 USA see. § 2201 (2)}. And "documentary materials or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic.

Character, which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory.

Or other official or ceremonial duties of the President" and which include "diaries, journals, or other.

Personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized.

For, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business," "private political.

Associations" and "materials relating exclusively to the President's own election to the office of the.

Presidency" {44 USA see. § 2201 (3)}.

So, except for Donnie writing down an order for hamberders and giving it to an aide to fetch (which is considered personal), if a document (in any media form whatsoever) in any way had to do with Government business, that document must be turned over to NARA. That means Kim Jong Il's "love letters" too.

Donnie the Dumbass' 4th Amendment argument (and your defense of it) is utter BS. As is your search warrant argument.

FYI, https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chor...54.17.0_10.pdf.

[GDreams]

You have to laugh at the indignation of all the wingers about student debt. When Trump gave $50 b to bail farmers out of his trade war fiasco there was not one amongst them criticising him. $50 b not congressional approval just handed out with the promise of vote for me.

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-b2152204.html

[Xpartan]

For some reasons my reply to this post keeps being blocked. Have the woke censors got as far as the ISG? We really are in trouble.

You really are in trouble if you feel compelled to be*tch about some your "pearls of wisdom" not having made it to the forum. I would've lost a count to my posts that haven't made it to the forum if I'd cared to pay attention, and somehow it's never ever occurred to me to complain about something so benign that could be anything, from a human error to a simple technical glitch to a mod's intentional action. What's wrong about all these passive-aggressive rightwing whiners who have to bich about every tiny thing.

[EihTooms]

The def sounds eerily similar to the Repubs banksters and Wall Street fraudsters welfare recipients. The 2008 financial bailout, Repub lead fiasco, cost tax payers, $12 Trillion.

https://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...145432501.html

Student loan forgiveness is drop in the ocean compared to the trillions, the Repubs have given, to the corporate welfare state.

"I love the poorly educated" - Donald J. Trump, February 24,2016.

That alone is reason enough to move Heaven and Earth and pay any price to subsidize or provide 100% college education for every American.

[Canada]

QUOTE=EihTooms;2735974]Are you sure you want to argue that people not paying their student loans simply puts billions into the system, drives inflation into high gear, hurts millions of low income and middle class families and is an example of stupidity at its finest?

Ok.

Because student loan payments have been on pause for more than two years, initially put on pause in March 2020 under a previous so-called potus in order to deal with the horrific results of his disastrous economic decisions going back to at least 2018. So, according to you, he is the one who did all those terrible things to America, its economy, low income and middle class families, triggering inflation and all that.

Biden spending billions and getting nothing in return will create more inflation. Raising taxes on working families will just drive more people into poverty like yourself. More people will be like you and not be able to afford to live in USA. People leave the USA everyday and move to dhithole countries where they can live off their social security.

[Canada]

And who was that Obama economist and what exactly did he say?

The student loan forgiveness is another in an unmatched list of historic positive legislation and stewardship for America that Biden and the Dems have accomplished in an astoundingly successful first mere 19 months. And after inheriting the worst across-the-board results from the worst president of all time and now the worst former president of all time! Which makes Biden's positive achievements even more remarkable.

And, no, I did not have an outstanding student loan to forgive nor am I related to anyone who had one prior to today. It's just a brilliant use of our tax payers' money, mine included, in order to Make America Great Again.

Jason Furman.

Www. My post.com/2022/08/25/ Obama-economist-calls-biden-student-debt-relief-gasoline-on-inflationary-fire /.

Even the democrats know it is a bad deal. Now Biden just needs to raise taxes on small businesses and middleclass to pay for it.

[Elvis 2008]

You seem to forget, if you ever knew, that nothing, abso-freakin-lutely nothing, that Donnie the Dumbass' marry band of fuckups printed, wrote, or said is "their stuff". All that "stuff" belongs to the American people and must be, by law, turned over to the National Archives.

If that was the issue, a simple copy machine would have been the solution.

The National Archives actually went easy on the Orange Buffoon. They asked him to return everything he had and he returned about half. They asked him to return more and he returned a few documents.

That goes against what Trump said. He complied with the subpoena, and the proper course for not complying with a subpoena is to enforce it in court not get an illegal warrant and do a raid.

Then, the Mango Mussolini's lawyers actually had the bad sense to lie to the Archives, in writing, that the Mango Mussolini had returned everything.

That is just not true. Why did they put a lock on the storage shed if all the documents were gone? You are making stuff up.

Every scrap of paper that an administration generates belongs to the American people. tRUMP's 4th Amendment defense is as worthless as he is.

LOL. It is not the paper that matters. It is the content on the paper. If it was a matter of possession, a copy machine would have sufficed. Your defense is bullshit. The FBI did not want Trump to have those documents.

[ErsatzJulian]

Sure. It's all just a coincidence that huge excess numbers of healthy, young and middle aged people are dropping dead of unknown, non-covid reasons directly after a mass coerced injection of the population with untested RNA-altering "vaccines".

Why, there are probably just a few more people slipping on ice because of global warming. That's all. Nothing to see here folks. That's why the fake news won't discuss the excess deaths and big tech censors any mention of them. Because there's nothing to see. Nothing at all.

Coincidence is not causality. This is the very first lesson every one learns in statistics. Instead of jumping to conclusions and being victim of confirmation basis, use your brain and ask yourself if there are other possible explanations, or COVID co-related factors that can account for an increase in the death rate. Also, looking at your description of RNA vaccine, I am not sure you understand the mechanisms by which mRNA vaccines are supposed to work.

And you don't believe in global warming! Wow. In this day and age, and in the presence of so much data suggesting that phenomenon is the real deal. Do you understand the mechanism by which global warming is happening? How do you account for the droughts and record high temperatures that are being observed worldwide?