American Politics

[GeneHickman]

Exactly. No matter the controversies, most Presidents eventually garner a respectable level of bipartisan adoration in hindsight; the pros and cons of Trump's presidency will just not measure up for that to happen. The January 6th event is the final nail in the coffin to hammer that fact legacy, although I think the legacy was probably already cemented.

His Presidency has pushed away a generation of future conservatives. As a conservative-leaner myself, the decision of so many of my peers to support this man despite logically understanding and seeing how he has bastardized the conservative brand and waged cultural warfare worse than anything that modern Democrats have done has made me question if rational conservatism is dead. While I know many conservative voters who publicly rebuke this man, most end up still casting a vote for him because they fear that the alternative is worse. I luke warmly disagree.

So voting liberal is the solution? Geez.

[GeneHickman]

Biden has no say in the impeachment process so he cannot call it off. Trump would be better off pleading guilty as it would give Biden the opportunity to offer him a pardon for Federal offences. Trump is going to be sued civilly and criminally for a wide range of offences so there is not going to be a quick end to this.

Trump failed in pretty much everything he has done. His China trade war and his global trade policies have had no impact in increased manufacturing in the US its just been shuffled to other third world countries. The current account deficit is still expanding. Trump had a golden opportunity to shrink US military expenditures and shrink the military but failed to do so.

You views clearly are not grounded in objectivity. You can dislike trump while acknowledging that his policies had a positive impact.

[Spidy]

In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.

Dude, don't sweat it!

SB, is after all the arch "chief-agent-agent provocateur".

Providing he behaves him and doesn't act like a petulant child, let him continue denying the truth.

It is his truths, as he sees it.

You may just have to hit the "ignore button" on him. Or me, for that matter...Kkk!

[Spidy]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...d-worst-presi/

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...nt-Of-All-Time

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/polit...sis/index.html

"Agent Orange", worst president in history. Even the, Republican Ex-Govenor "The Terminator", Arnold Schwarzenegger: Trump 'will go down in history as the worst president ever'. Well at least he got that right.

"Agent Orange", will be facing lawsuits from women accusing him of sexual misconduct, including rape; criminal investigations by both state and federal prosecutors in New York; a Senate impeachment trial that could bar him from holding federal office again; and potentially both civil and criminal exposure for his weekslong efforts to spark chaos at the USA Capitol in order to prevent Biden from being certified as the winner of the 2020 election. The ONLY US president to be impeached twice. What a legacy of FAILURES!

"Agent Orange", makes Al Gore, looks like a choir boy.

But according to "The Terminator", "Agent Orange", WON'T BE BACK....kkkkkkkkkk!

[Canada]

In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.

I agree with you. There are obviously several mentally incompetent democrat (socialists) here. We should not take them seriously and arguing with mentally incompetent individuals is doing none of us any good.

[Detwing1]

So you actually believe that Biden wants to unite the nation? LMFAO!

In a way it's actually true, he wants to unite the nation but without having to compromise on a single issue. Joe Biden is the most radical left wing president USA ever seen.

In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.

[Beijing4987]

Impeachment is the only line of defense (well, maybe the 25th amendment, also) against an unfit president. For an unprecedented time, this happened twice to DJT. There is no taking it back. The one article of impeachment for inciting insurrection will be delivered to the US Senate. A TRIAL is scheduled to begin on February 9th. Impeachment managers will unfold a multimedia extravaganza, with " a huge trove of video and photos depicting the event" lest senators get bored like impeachment 1. 0. The main video features DJT himself inciting the attack with snarling glee, promising to, but neglecting to lead the way. The trial is unlikely to succeed in a conviction, and Republicans daring to vote for conviction will face the consequences. Don't touch that dial: the Biden administration, boring. No drama. Except for 38 US Capitol Police testing positive for Covid 19 after the Capitol Riot on January 6th.

[ShooBree]

Please reconsider. The former president did a lot of wrong that day and before. He encouraged police violence. Roughing up detainees. "Proud boys stand back and stand by". Do you really think those messenges are not received? Bill Clinton was harrassed. Special prosecutor. Became a sex drive case. Obama was harrassed. They kept their discipline. But that can never justify what Trump said and what resulted directly from his actions. It is quite unique in the 2. 5 centuries the US exists. No congressperson is in Antifa. No congressperson is for BLM violence. Of course those groups had an effect. Stop grouping like "the liberals". A lot of bad comes from the violent left. But that does not justify by any means what the former president did. And he will pay dearly for it. And you should move on an identify a Republican whose views you share and who does not carry that awful awful baggage.

Nope, you're completely wrong. Probably brainwashed by the liberal media and unable to think for yourself.

Things don't happen in a vacuum. Radicals inspires radicals. A summer of far left violence will inspire and encourage the far right to act. But most importantly, adults needs to take responsibility for their own actions. Trump didn't storm the Capitol, neither did he explicitly tell anyone to storm the Capitol. This is all just a ridiculous witch-hunt. What happened with free speech? Trump can be proud, he did nothing wrong and the biggest losers in all of this will be the American people. 2021 might go to history as the year when USA threw free speech out the window.

I'm still waiting for the day when the liberal politicians will take responsibility for their own actions. They started the conspiracy theories and ridiculed US elections by claiming that Russia stole the election and Trump was a "illegitimate" president. The liberals opened the door for the idea that US elections can be rigged.

It's sad to see how some people are so incredibly brainwashed by the liberal media.

[GDreams]

An opinion piece by Douglas Murray, published today in the Daily Mail (link below).

In what way is this policy a good idea? Is this not open to abuse? Would you Liberals be happy to let your daughter or your granddaughter or your girlfriend share a restroom / changing room with a male?

"During his first hours in office, Biden signed an executive order calling on all federal agencies to ensure that people who identify as the opposite sex should be free to use whatever changing room or 'restroom' they wish to. And that school sports must sign up to 'combat discrimination on the basis of gender identity'.

There is something of the late Roman empire about this, the arrogance of a ruling elite in terminal decline. The world's most powerful man gets into office at a time of unprecedented crisis and one of his first priorities is to ensure that men who identify as women should be allowed to use female changing rooms and pulverise any woman he comes across in competitive sports. All in the name of equality, obviously. ".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-end-well.html

How to make a unisex toilet? Put on a sealed door. Ooops that's a bit hard for republicans to imagine, how do they manage to do their toe tap intros then?

[GDreams]

I agree Trump is likely unelectable. People who pinched their noses and voted for him after Charlottesville will not after Jan 6th. Democrats approach is just as wrong now as it was during his tenure. Extremely divisive. Biden would do HIMSELF and the country a favor by calling off this impeachment but its full speed ahead. In a way, many like me quietly hope they ensure Trump can't run again.

Whether it was the attention paid the working class, the manufacturing rennaisance, the China and globalization and trade policy, NATO spending, no judicial activism policy, the development zones policy or so much more, these policies should have a champion as they deserve to be presented as a choice to the american public. If those can be separated from the cultural and racial issues, trumpism has a strong future in my opinion.

Biden has no say in the impeachment process so he cannot call it off. Trump would be better off pleading guilty as it would give Biden the opportunity to offer him a pardon for Federal offences. Trump is going to be sued civilly and criminally for a wide range of offences so there is not going to be a quick end to this.

Trump failed in pretty much everything he has done. His China trade war and his global trade policies have had no impact in increased manufacturing in the US its just been shuffled to other third world countries. The current account deficit is still expanding. Trump had a golden opportunity to shrink US military expenditures and shrink the military but failed to do so.

[Mursenary]

Shoo, call me a Reagan Republican. Don't scapegoat "Democrats". All Americans in power, Democrat and Republican alike, must deal with nihilism, hooliganism and class warfare. Mrs. Clinton polemicized (deplorables) but she conceded on election night. Mr Trump certainly made insult a standard tool of his communication but he did not concede even weeks after the fact. Compare that with Al Gore in 2000, who lost Florida and the presidency by 500 votes. We expect more of any politician of any color. Trump alone is responsible for his words on Jan 6th and prior, no matter how much he was harrassed.

In hindsight, most Americans view their presidents positively. They are woven in their lives. It makes perfect sense. I diagree with what you claim to be an "undoubtable" truth. Trump's legacy will be the infamy of Jan 6th, 2021, sadly. Americans are unforgiving in this respect. Nixon had his merits, but his reputation never recovered. Lincoln is a saint for somehow weaving the country back together. Wilson won a war, as did Truman. Reagan and George W. Bush were very good persons and loving spouses. Reagan finished communism off. George Bush oversaw unification of Germany. Clinton was handsome and balanced the budget with Newt. George W. Invested in Africa and in American children, also managed 911 admirably..

Exactly. No matter the controversies, most Presidents eventually garner a respectable level of bipartisan adoration in hindsight; the pros and cons of Trump's presidency will just not measure up for that to happen. The January 6th event is the final nail in the coffin to hammer that fact legacy, although I think the legacy was probably already cemented.

His Presidency has pushed away a generation of future conservatives. As a conservative-leaner myself, the decision of so many of my peers to support this man despite logically understanding and seeing how he has bastardized the conservative brand and waged cultural warfare worse than anything that modern Democrats have done has made me question if rational conservatism is dead. While I know many conservative voters who publicly rebuke this man, most end up still casting a vote for him because they fear that the alternative is worse. I luke warmly disagree.

[Philosophus]

I agree Trump is likely unelectable. People who pinched their noses and voted for him after Charlottesville will not after Jan 6th. Democrats approach is just as wrong now as it was during his tenure. Extremely divisive. Biden would do HIMSELF and the country a favor by calling off this impeachment but its full speed ahead. In a way, many like me quietly hope they ensure he can't run again.

But democrats and the left will be wrong to assume a lot of the tenets of Trumpism are dead.

Whether it was the attention paod the working class, the manufacturing rennaisance, the China and globalization and trade policy, NATO spending, no judicial activism policy, the development zones policy or so much more, these policies should have a champion as they deserve to be presented as a choice to the american public. If those can be separated from the cultural and racial issues, trumpism has a strong future in my opinion.

I agree, but would not call that Trumpism any more. It may become Pencism or Rubioism or if the hot and smart Nikky Haley runs Haleyism. Trumpism includes insult as a method to penetrate in all its forms. It is a losing proposition. He pulled it off against Hillary Clinton. As long as the Democrats nominate centrists like Clinton, Obama or Biden, they will always beat Trumpism. Biden will be in trouble soon. And. Korea. The Europeans. Eastern Ukraine. The deficit. Elitism will resurge among the liberals, like that idiot with the Dior Jordans for 5 000 bucks. May a good Republican rise to the occasion.

[GDreams]

What is really obvious is you only condone violence from the right. Biden is doing nothing to stop the left BLM and Antifa from destroying property, looting and physical violence. Does this mean Biden should be impeached because he is allowing it? Are you liberals proud of yourself for your beliefs that defunding the police, open borders, abolish ice, transgender men or women in children bathrooms. Is this really the values of Americans who care for their country? Who care to keep children safe? Do you really believe that we should allow millions of people to come into our country and take jobs away from our citizens? Our kids? Our friends? Why do you hate the American way of life? Do you really think your parents would be proud of your thinking? Do you really believe that your parents and grandparents were all racist and their history should be abolished? Why are you still living in such a horrible country that needs all these changes. Do you really believe that this will make America better? If you are proud of this it pretty much sums up who you are.

Biden has been in office less than a week so your comments about Biden doing nothing shows that you are not even going to give the guy a chance. Trump had 4 years and was a complete failure.

[Philosophus]

Anyone read this before, or did you rely on Attorney General Fred Flintstone's false summary before the redacted version was published?

"The Russian Government believed it benefited from Trump winning the election, so it hacked the Democrat's computers and ran a massive disinformation campaign online. Vol 1 pg 5.

"Donald Trump and his campaign invited interference in the election and his campaign repeatedly communicated with. Russia and Wikileaks, which hacked Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC and spread the stolen data. Vol 1 pg 5,49.

"Trump's campaign chairman Paul Manafort met repeatedly with an individual linked with Russian intelligence and provided internal strategy plans to target voters in key midwestern states. Vol 1 pg 136,138,140.

"Trump and his campaign had advanced knowledge of the release of stolen information, and his campaign planned press strategy around it" vol 1 pg 54.

"Trump and his campaign repeatedly signaled that his administration's policy would be favorable to Russia".

Robert Muller's Team incited 37 individuals on 199 charges. Secured 7 convictions.

Attorney General Sessions was forced to recuse himself for lying about contact with Russian Ambassador Kislyak, setting in motion the appointment of the Special Prosecutor.

Keep this in mind: a mafia boss with temporary presidential immunity from the justice department and dangling the pardon power for federal crimes in front of his co conspirators will not be convicted by a Senate controlled by his party.

The Mueller report is relevant and will lead to legal trouble for the former president. But there are also problems. The Russian government rightly concluded that the former president was less biased against them than his opponent. Mrs. Clinton's book seethes with anti-Russian sentiment. To rout for Trump is nothing unusual. Many Europeans routed for Clinton. Her husband had a much better hand in Strobe Talbott to handle things Russia. The Russian government has neither the power nor the wherewithal to impact US elections. Russian engages in asymmetric warfare which includes cybercrime abroad. And they tried to influence the US elections, which is and was foolish. But did that meaningfully impact the outcome? No. Mrs Clinton lost because she could not articulate why she ran (this is a quote from the current president). Because she was elevated by her husband onto a stage she could not fill. Because she used computers with the intent to hide her communications, a practice that would have gotten me fired in my assignments. Because of general skepticism with male and female US voters who for various reasons prefer men. Special prosectors burn up a lot of money and veer off target, whether their name is Walsh or Starr or Mueller. It is a sharp sword that ought to be wielded with caution. Walsh annoyed me because Reagan had fired the contrite Poindexter and North anyway. Starr invoked the breach of oath in a mutually consentual sex case. That to me is an insult to the cultural history of mankind akin to prohibiting alcohol. Just stupid. Clinton was wrong, in practice and taste, to do it with that chubby lady. Mueller I think is a very good man who caught a bunch of crooks, the former president included. But the premise that Russia swayed the elections is ludicrous.

[GeneHickman]

Please reconsider. The former president did a lot of wrong that day and before. He encouraged police violence. Roughing up detainees. "Proud boys stand back and stand by". Do you really think those messenges are not received? Bill Clinton was harrassed. Special prosecutor. Became a sex drive case. Obama was harrassed. They kept their discipline. But that can never justify what Trump said and what resulted directly from his actions. It is quite unique in the 2. 5 centuries the US exists. No congressperson is in Antifa. No congressperson is for BLM violence. Of course those groups had an effect. Stop grouping like "the liberals". A lot of bad comes from the violent left. But that does not justify by any means what the former president did. And he will pay dearly for it. And you should move on an identify a Republican whose views you share and who does not carry that awful awful baggage.

I agree Trump is likely unelectable. People who pinched their noses and voted for him after Charlottesville will not after Jan 6th. Democrats approach is just as wrong now as it was during his tenure. Extremely divisive. Biden would do HIMSELF and the country a favor by calling off this impeachment but its full speed ahead. In a way, many like me quietly hope they ensure Trump can't run again.

But democrats and the left will be wrong to assume a lot of the tenets of Trumpism are dead.

Whether it was the attention paid the working class, the manufacturing rennaisance, the China and globalization and trade policy, NATO spending, no judicial activism policy, the development zones policy or so much more, these policies should have a champion as they deserve to be presented as a choice to the american public. If those can be separated from the cultural and racial issues, trumpism has a strong future in my opinion.