American Politics

[GDreams]

You views clearly are not grounded in objectivity. You can dislike trump while acknowledging that his policies had a positive impact.

Exactly what policies had a positive impact?

His great gains in unemployment were at the cost of adding $500 b to the annual deficit. Even then he only achieved one year of +3% GDP growth. The rest of the time it has been low 2's or less which Trump said of Obama achieving similar the Obama was a failure even though he shronk the deficit by 600 b a year rather than expand it. So by Trumps own criteria he failed.

Current account deficit grew significantly under Trump because of his nonsense trade wars. Fail.

Environmental policy. Fail.

Health policy. Fail.

Foreign policy. Fail.

Domestic policy. Fail. People are more partisan and divided than ever.

Immigration. I would call it a fail but others would disagree. The reality is the border wall he wanted he could of had but would not accept DACA so instead most construction has gone on replacing existing barriers. Pretty much a waste of time anyway as most illegals are visa overstays and smuggling is done through the border crossings. Much of the rest is debatable. It is more about the processes employed than the outcomes.

As Trump was incapable of working with democrats most of what he did was by executive orders. Most of these will be over-ridden by Biden in the next month.

So basically 4 years of manbaby tantrums to achieve no lasting benefit.

[ScatManDoo]

So voting liberal is the solution?

Always has been Gene.

Don't let Trump steal your future votes.

[Detwing1]

Dude, don't sweat it!

SB, is after all the arch "chief-agent-agent provocateur".

Providing he behaves him and doesn't act like a petulant child, let him continue denying the truth.

It is his truths, as he sees it.

You may just have to hit the "ignore button" on him. Or me, for that matter...Kkk!

Didn't sweat it for a second.

It is what it is.

[Spidy]

"Experts in homegrown extremism have warned for years about efforts by far-right militants and white-supremacist groups to radicalize and recruit people with military and law enforcement training, and they say the Jan. 6 insurrection that left five people dead saw some of their worst fears realized."

https://apnews.com/article/ex-milita...1edead5badc257

With the FBI, doing a deep dive, no doubt more evidence will come to light, with regards to the Jan. 6 insurrection, being a pre-meditated and coordinated plan of attack, on the Capitol.

The herrings will bring to light and uncover how "Agent Orange", maybe involved.

[GeneHickman]

Exactly. No matter the controversies, most Presidents eventually garner a respectable level of bipartisan adoration in hindsight; the pros and cons of Trump's presidency will just not measure up for that to happen. The January 6th event is the final nail in the coffin to hammer that fact legacy, although I think the legacy was probably already cemented.

His Presidency has pushed away a generation of future conservatives. As a conservative-leaner myself, the decision of so many of my peers to support this man despite logically understanding and seeing how he has bastardized the conservative brand and waged cultural warfare worse than anything that modern Democrats have done has made me question if rational conservatism is dead. While I know many conservative voters who publicly rebuke this man, most end up still casting a vote for him because they fear that the alternative is worse. I luke warmly disagree.

So voting liberal is the solution? Geez.

[GeneHickman]

Biden has no say in the impeachment process so he cannot call it off. Trump would be better off pleading guilty as it would give Biden the opportunity to offer him a pardon for Federal offences. Trump is going to be sued civilly and criminally for a wide range of offences so there is not going to be a quick end to this.

Trump failed in pretty much everything he has done. His China trade war and his global trade policies have had no impact in increased manufacturing in the US its just been shuffled to other third world countries. The current account deficit is still expanding. Trump had a golden opportunity to shrink US military expenditures and shrink the military but failed to do so.

You views clearly are not grounded in objectivity. You can dislike trump while acknowledging that his policies had a positive impact.

[Spidy]

In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.

Dude, don't sweat it!

SB, is after all the arch "chief-agent-agent provocateur".

Providing he behaves him and doesn't act like a petulant child, let him continue denying the truth.

It is his truths, as he sees it.

You may just have to hit the "ignore button" on him. Or me, for that matter...Kkk!

[Spidy]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...d-worst-presi/

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...nt-Of-All-Time

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/polit...sis/index.html

"Agent Orange", worst president in history. Even the, Republican Ex-Govenor "The Terminator", Arnold Schwarzenegger: Trump 'will go down in history as the worst president ever'. Well at least he got that right.

"Agent Orange", will be facing lawsuits from women accusing him of sexual misconduct, including rape; criminal investigations by both state and federal prosecutors in New York; a Senate impeachment trial that could bar him from holding federal office again; and potentially both civil and criminal exposure for his weekslong efforts to spark chaos at the USA Capitol in order to prevent Biden from being certified as the winner of the 2020 election. The ONLY US president to be impeached twice. What a legacy of FAILURES!

"Agent Orange", makes Al Gore, looks like a choir boy.

But according to "The Terminator", "Agent Orange", WON'T BE BACK....kkkkkkkkkk!

[Canada]

In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.

I agree with you. There are obviously several mentally incompetent democrat (socialists) here. We should not take them seriously and arguing with mentally incompetent individuals is doing none of us any good.

[Detwing1]

So you actually believe that Biden wants to unite the nation? LMFAO!

In a way it's actually true, he wants to unite the nation but without having to compromise on a single issue. Joe Biden is the most radical left wing president USA ever seen.

In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.

[Beijing4987]

Impeachment is the only line of defense (well, maybe the 25th amendment, also) against an unfit president. For an unprecedented time, this happened twice to DJT. There is no taking it back. The one article of impeachment for inciting insurrection will be delivered to the US Senate. A TRIAL is scheduled to begin on February 9th. Impeachment managers will unfold a multimedia extravaganza, with " a huge trove of video and photos depicting the event" lest senators get bored like impeachment 1. 0. The main video features DJT himself inciting the attack with snarling glee, promising to, but neglecting to lead the way. The trial is unlikely to succeed in a conviction, and Republicans daring to vote for conviction will face the consequences. Don't touch that dial: the Biden administration, boring. No drama. Except for 38 US Capitol Police testing positive for Covid 19 after the Capitol Riot on January 6th.

[ShooBree]

Please reconsider. The former president did a lot of wrong that day and before. He encouraged police violence. Roughing up detainees. "Proud boys stand back and stand by". Do you really think those messenges are not received? Bill Clinton was harrassed. Special prosecutor. Became a sex drive case. Obama was harrassed. They kept their discipline. But that can never justify what Trump said and what resulted directly from his actions. It is quite unique in the 2. 5 centuries the US exists. No congressperson is in Antifa. No congressperson is for BLM violence. Of course those groups had an effect. Stop grouping like "the liberals". A lot of bad comes from the violent left. But that does not justify by any means what the former president did. And he will pay dearly for it. And you should move on an identify a Republican whose views you share and who does not carry that awful awful baggage.

Nope, you're completely wrong. Probably brainwashed by the liberal media and unable to think for yourself.

Things don't happen in a vacuum. Radicals inspires radicals. A summer of far left violence will inspire and encourage the far right to act. But most importantly, adults needs to take responsibility for their own actions. Trump didn't storm the Capitol, neither did he explicitly tell anyone to storm the Capitol. This is all just a ridiculous witch-hunt. What happened with free speech? Trump can be proud, he did nothing wrong and the biggest losers in all of this will be the American people. 2021 might go to history as the year when USA threw free speech out the window.

I'm still waiting for the day when the liberal politicians will take responsibility for their own actions. They started the conspiracy theories and ridiculed US elections by claiming that Russia stole the election and Trump was a "illegitimate" president. The liberals opened the door for the idea that US elections can be rigged.

It's sad to see how some people are so incredibly brainwashed by the liberal media.

[GDreams]

An opinion piece by Douglas Murray, published today in the Daily Mail (link below).

In what way is this policy a good idea? Is this not open to abuse? Would you Liberals be happy to let your daughter or your granddaughter or your girlfriend share a restroom / changing room with a male?

"During his first hours in office, Biden signed an executive order calling on all federal agencies to ensure that people who identify as the opposite sex should be free to use whatever changing room or 'restroom' they wish to. And that school sports must sign up to 'combat discrimination on the basis of gender identity'.

There is something of the late Roman empire about this, the arrogance of a ruling elite in terminal decline. The world's most powerful man gets into office at a time of unprecedented crisis and one of his first priorities is to ensure that men who identify as women should be allowed to use female changing rooms and pulverise any woman he comes across in competitive sports. All in the name of equality, obviously. ".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-end-well.html

How to make a unisex toilet? Put on a sealed door. Ooops that's a bit hard for republicans to imagine, how do they manage to do their toe tap intros then?

[GDreams]

I agree Trump is likely unelectable. People who pinched their noses and voted for him after Charlottesville will not after Jan 6th. Democrats approach is just as wrong now as it was during his tenure. Extremely divisive. Biden would do HIMSELF and the country a favor by calling off this impeachment but its full speed ahead. In a way, many like me quietly hope they ensure Trump can't run again.

Whether it was the attention paid the working class, the manufacturing rennaisance, the China and globalization and trade policy, NATO spending, no judicial activism policy, the development zones policy or so much more, these policies should have a champion as they deserve to be presented as a choice to the american public. If those can be separated from the cultural and racial issues, trumpism has a strong future in my opinion.

Biden has no say in the impeachment process so he cannot call it off. Trump would be better off pleading guilty as it would give Biden the opportunity to offer him a pardon for Federal offences. Trump is going to be sued civilly and criminally for a wide range of offences so there is not going to be a quick end to this.

Trump failed in pretty much everything he has done. His China trade war and his global trade policies have had no impact in increased manufacturing in the US its just been shuffled to other third world countries. The current account deficit is still expanding. Trump had a golden opportunity to shrink US military expenditures and shrink the military but failed to do so.

[Mursenary]

Shoo, call me a Reagan Republican. Don't scapegoat "Democrats". All Americans in power, Democrat and Republican alike, must deal with nihilism, hooliganism and class warfare. Mrs. Clinton polemicized (deplorables) but she conceded on election night. Mr Trump certainly made insult a standard tool of his communication but he did not concede even weeks after the fact. Compare that with Al Gore in 2000, who lost Florida and the presidency by 500 votes. We expect more of any politician of any color. Trump alone is responsible for his words on Jan 6th and prior, no matter how much he was harrassed.

In hindsight, most Americans view their presidents positively. They are woven in their lives. It makes perfect sense. I diagree with what you claim to be an "undoubtable" truth. Trump's legacy will be the infamy of Jan 6th, 2021, sadly. Americans are unforgiving in this respect. Nixon had his merits, but his reputation never recovered. Lincoln is a saint for somehow weaving the country back together. Wilson won a war, as did Truman. Reagan and George W. Bush were very good persons and loving spouses. Reagan finished communism off. George Bush oversaw unification of Germany. Clinton was handsome and balanced the budget with Newt. George W. Invested in Africa and in American children, also managed 911 admirably..

Exactly. No matter the controversies, most Presidents eventually garner a respectable level of bipartisan adoration in hindsight; the pros and cons of Trump's presidency will just not measure up for that to happen. The January 6th event is the final nail in the coffin to hammer that fact legacy, although I think the legacy was probably already cemented.

His Presidency has pushed away a generation of future conservatives. As a conservative-leaner myself, the decision of so many of my peers to support this man despite logically understanding and seeing how he has bastardized the conservative brand and waged cultural warfare worse than anything that modern Democrats have done has made me question if rational conservatism is dead. While I know many conservative voters who publicly rebuke this man, most end up still casting a vote for him because they fear that the alternative is worse. I luke warmly disagree.