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09-22-21 08:23 #4785
Posts: 1680Yes
Originally Posted by ScatManDoo [View Original Post]
On the medical posts, when someone comes in here pontificating on that they should more often than not include source citations, rather than rehashing what one thinks they remember reading from a wingnut blog or Tucker Carlson. That's too generous though when discussing someone like Elvis, who just makes stuff up as he goes erecting straw men and moving the goal posts. Sadly other shit kickers on his side of the fence never notice, nor do they want to.
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09-22-21 07:21 #4784
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]
If the vaccine slows the rate of infection, then it is effective and beneficial (and worthwhile).
There is no criterion that success can only be achieved by total eradication.
Less deaths and less serious disease is desirable compared to more deaths and more serious disease.
I agree that we are likely going to be living with Covid for quite a while. While that's happening I favor having less deaths with great immunization coverage rather than choosing more deaths for ourselves because some folks try to be selfish freeloaders in the name of "Freedom."
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09-22-21 05:06 #4783
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
With these guys I sometimes find more success with kind, gentle discussion, like a teacher does with young students, like in my prior post here in the thread.
I really have come to never expect any precision from folks in the anti-science party.
I always figure they lack the ability to critically think about what is presented to them.
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09-22-21 04:58 #4782
Posts: 5452Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]
For example, Carter's positive record of results on USA Jobs creation slaughters that of every Repub in history. Oh, and so does Biden's so far.
If your way of "thinking" is those actual results means Carter and Biden were unsuccessful or the worst presidents compared to Repubs like Herbert Hoover, George W. Bush and Donald J. Trump, who's economic stewardship and decisions wiped out millions of USA jobs each and are major contributors to the conclusion that by January 20, 2021 the Republican Party in the White House destroyed more USA jobs than they created since 1860 when the first Repub won the White House, then you have a very weird but typically Repub anti-American worker and anti-American economy way of "thinking."
Yep, that's way more damage to the USA economy and destruction of USA jobs inflicted on the USA by Repubs than was ever inflicted on the USA by China.
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09-22-21 03:55 #4781
Posts: 1956Originally Posted by ScatManDoo [View Original Post]
You're absolutely correct, one doesn't need a medical degree in order to comment on anything.
But if you do comment on a highly specific medical issue, you might want to have some idea of what you're talking about.
I mean, once again, you can comment any way you want, but if you say a stupid thing that's universally known to be untrue (like, I don't know, that condoms do not protect against a VD or that Covid vaccines do not protect against the infection), you might sound like an idiot. Crackpot even.
If the aforementioned 'doctors' are fine with it, then let them have at it as our president says.
But let's get serious for a minute.
Insisting that the vaccine doesn't prevent the transmissions AT ALL is absolute lunacy.
Doesn't prevent SOME transmissions -- yes, which means that in most cases vaccines work.
We don't know everything. For example, I read today that Moderna remains strong over time, while Pfizer starts waning out after 4 months. That might explain the Covid growth in Israel because Israel got jabbed by Pfizer.
The study also broke out effectiveness, also called VE, for the period of 14-120 days after vaccination, as well as after the 120-day mark. It was there that the numbers diverged more significantly. The Moderna vaccine remained 92% effective against hospitalization after 120 days, but the Pfizer vaccine was down to 77% effectiveness.
Does it mean that Pfizer is worthless. Of course not. 77% protection is still better than zero.
Nothing works 100% of the time.
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09-22-21 03:12 #4780
Posts: 3228Originally Posted by ScatManDoo [View Original Post]
The vaccine did seem to be effective with stopping transmission of the alpha variant, but it does not seem to work with delta, and who the hell knows how well it will work with the next one?
I am extremely skeptical when it comes to the CDC on politically charged issues. Here is what they wrote "Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to spread the virus for a shorter time. "
You do not mandate when you have the phrase appear to. You let people make their own decisions.
The CDC is been pushing vaccination like crazy, and I do not expect them to back down from their proclamations as the vaccine loses its luster. So IMO this push for vaccination is as much the CDC not losing face as it is for preventing disease.
It is funny in that I have published on this website a regimen of antivirals and antibiotics that I have taken when I go bare. I got the response I expected from the American government loving. "You cannot do that. Antibiotics are a gift from God, and you are wasting them!" If I asked the group here, which method do you use to prevent herpes, condoms or Valtrex? I am certain that condoms would win or maybe #1 would be "Uh, What is Valtrex?
And why can you get Valtrex over the counter in Colombia and Mexico and not in the USA? My take on that is the CDC is more interested in government control than in preventing the spread of disease. The notion that you are "wasting a treatment" when it is available in other countries is batshit crazy. The CDC must think herpes cannot spread over a country's borders.
We have treatments that are 100% effective for transmissible diseases (Valtrex is not 100% effective against herpes transmission though) and we do not mandate treatment for them. The fact that you douches want to mandate for Covid is absolutely fucking insane. What is next? Video taping people having sex to make sure they are using condoms? Better yet, seeing as how we do not need sex to have babies and sex spreads disease, why not just ban sex?
But this flaw in logic does not seem to bother you. You want to be patted on the head by the CDC and told you are good boys because you got your vaccine and you used your condoms, and I am like, WTF is wrong with you?
You all seem to be more obsessed with pointing a finger at Republicans and saying, "My getting Covid is your fault" than educating yourself on what works to actually prevent getting the disease.
And the young men who have heart problems after the vaccine?
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09-22-21 01:07 #4779
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by SouthEaster [View Original Post]Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
Tafesse's research has found vaccination led to increased levels of neutralizing antibodies against variant forms of the coronavirus in people who had been previously infected. "You will get better protection by also getting vaccinated as compared to just an infection," he said. On Sept. 13, 2021.
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09-22-21 00:13 #4778
Posts: 1044Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
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09-22-21 00:11 #4777
Posts: 1044Originally Posted by ScatManDoo [View Original Post]
The virus cannot be eradicated. We know that the vaccine does not prevent contraction or transmission. Covid is here to stay and we must learn to live with it, as we do with flu and other viruses.
If it was possible for the virus to be completely eradicated if everyone was vaccinated, there would be a stronger case for doing so. But that is not the case. The vaccine *does not* do that.
Therefore it is up to individuals to decide whether to get vaccinated. If, as you say, the vaccine prevents nearly all covid deaths, the vaccinated will be as safe as they can be, regardless of what anyone else does, given that the virus will always be with us.
If people choose not to be vaccinated, that is up to them. Their choice will *not* prevent the eradication of the virus. The vaccine does not eradicated the virus (despite the promises of Fauci and other liars who sold it to us as total prevention).
The vaccinated will already be protected as well as they can be, according to your argument, so the actions of other people who choose not to take the vax have no bearing on them.
Of course, in reality there are a vast number of negative side effects of the vax, a small number of which have been documented on the VAERS system but most of which have been ignored or swept under the carpet.
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09-22-21 00:09 #4776
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
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09-22-21 00:00 #4775
Posts: 1044Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
Double vaxed. Got sick with covid. Let that rattle round your head for a while.
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09-21-21 23:14 #4774
Posts: 1604Huh?
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
I do admit that the "gay gene" and the "genius gene" were sarcasm.
You do know what "sarcasm" means, don't you?
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09-21-21 22:05 #4773
Posts: 1117Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
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09-21-21 22:01 #4772
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
No one ever told me that I needed a medical degree in order to express an opinion on a discussion board.
Don't see why anyone would need a medical degree in order to comment on a political thread inside of a hooker discussion website.
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09-21-21 21:48 #4771
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
When deciding upon mandates, a better question to ask is "Does the vaccine reduce transmission of the virus?
The vaccine does not prevent all transmissions, but it greatly reduces some of its transmission.
One study compared the households of unvaccinated infected individuals to the households of vaccinated individuals that still had breakthrough infections.
31% of the other household members wound-up getting infected also when it started in the household by the unvaccinated individual.
Only 11% of the household members were infected when a vaccinated person experienced one of these breakthrough infections.
The vaccine does not prevent all infections. But it does prevent a very large number of infections (and all or nearly all Covid-19 deaths).
And that is why mandates (and getting nearly everyone vaccinated) makes sense.
Slow the spread, get vaccinated.