American Politics

[PVMonger]

That's one of the many false narratives of the left. However, I guess it depends on your definition of "educated". In reality, the average Republican voter is more intelligent, more successful, and has more life experience than the average Democrat voter. There are the few Democrats who fuel that narrative who are educated, but the majority of Democrats these days are uneducated. And the majority of Democrats who actually are educated, have little to no life experience and little to no common sense.

There's an old saying "If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. And if you aren't a conservative when you are older, you have no brain. " Some people grow older but not wiser, those are modern day Democrats who are old enough to know better but don't.

Let's talk with a few Biden voters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GO2jneQJOo

Trumpers are far more uneducated than the average RepubliCANT. Since you used a youtube video for proof, how about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzDhm808oU4 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVx8gCAF3D8 or?

[Smoothy]

"The uneducated.

That's one of the many false narratives of the left. However, I guess it depends on your definition of "educated". In reality, the average Republican voter is more intelligent, more successful, and has more life experience than the average Democrat voter. There are the few Democrats who fuel that narrative who are educated, but the majority of Democrats these days are uneducated. And the majority of Democrats who actually are educated, have little to no life experience and little to no common sense.

There's an old saying "If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. And if you aren't a conservative when you are older, you have no brain. " Some people grow older but not wiser, those are modern day Democrats who are old enough to know better but don't.

Let's talk with a few Biden voters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GO2jneQJOo

[PVMonger]

Not sure about number 4. I would replace them with "The uneducated. " A special group of people Trump loves so much, and boy do they return the affection!

While the uneducated certainly do drink the orange kool-aid, the original Constitution limited voting to white, male property-owners. I threw the "straight" in there because trumpettes consider them a lower form of life than they do POC.

[EihTooms]

I wondered why Trump suddenly changed his persistently repeated nearly year long message for everyone not to waste their time and money inventing a vaccine for Trump's Pandemic virus as well as not bothering to assume even the tiniest risk in taking one into that recent tentative and meek semi suggestion from the stage that his MAGA crowd ought to consider getting vaccinated. LOL. For which he got booed so he turned tail and quickly retreated from the idea.

But now it looks like he might have gotten early intel that his MAGA crowd Repub base is voluntarily and permanently removing itself from the voter rolls in disproprtionately high numbers and from his sucker fund raising list due to their Trumpian anti-science, anti-mitigation measures and anti-vax stance.

Red COVID? Coronavirus deaths are highest in counties with the largest share of Trump voters: report.
The vaccination gap between Democrats and Republicans is mirrored by a partisan divide in COVID deaths
September 27,2021.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/re...rt-11632764116

Trump supporters at the "World Wide Rally for Freedom", an anti-mask and anti-vaccine rally in Concord, N.H. A new data analysis finds a partisan gap in COVID vaccination rates, as well as severe COVID illness and death.

President Joe Biden and government health officials have been calling the resurgence in COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths a pandemic of the unvaccinated, which has been exacerbated by the highly contagious delta variant. But a new data analysis also suggests that this has become a pandemic of conservatives.
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[Tinte]

Some cal it shithole to.

[Spidy]

"Our constitutional crisis is already here." Is a chilling opinion piece by conservative commentator, Robert Kagan, published in the Washington Post (Sept 23, 2021), where he outlines how the "inevitable" return of Agent Orange, to power in the 2024 Election.

It paints a very stark and grim reality ahead, plague with lots of constitutional challenges and strong-arm tactics that basically amounts to a "win" by intimidation, strategic placement of electoral loyalists and armed "Trumpers" at the ready.

From the article, it looks like we should prepare ourselves for the "return of the orange king"..

Here is a partial snippet / print (sorry, there maybe more, this is what I found): https://electionlawblog.org/?p=124767.

The United States is heading into its greatest political and constitutional crisis since the Civil War, with a reasonable chance over the next three to four years of incidents of mass violence, a breakdown of federal authority, and the division of the country into warring red and blue enclaves. The warning signs may be obscured by the distractions of politics, the pandemic, the economy and global crises, and by wishful thinking and denial. But about these things there should be no doubt:

First, Donald Trump will be the Republican candidate for president in 2024. The hope and expectation that he would fade in visibility and influence have been delusional. He enjoys mammoth leads in the polls; he is building a massive campaign war chest; and at this moment the Democratic ticket looks vulnerable. Barring health problems, he is running.

Second, Trump and his Republican allies are actively preparing to ensure his victory by whatever means necessary. Trump's charges of fraud in the 2020 election are now primarily aimed at establishing the predicate to challenge future election results that do not go his way. Some Republican candidates have already begun preparing to declare fraud in 2022, just as Larry Elder tried meekly to do in the California recall contest.

Meanwhile, the amateurish "stop the steal" efforts of 2020 have given way to an organized nationwide campaign to ensure that Trump and his supporters will have the control.

Over state and local election officials that they lacked in 2020. Those recalcitrant Republican state officials who effectively saved the country from calamity by refusing to falsely declare fraud or to "find" more votes for Trump are being systematically removed or hounded from office. Republican legislatures are giving themselves greater control over the election.

Certification process. As of this spring, Republicans have proposed or passed measures in at least 16 states that would shift certain election authorities from the purview of the governor, secretary of state or other executive-branch officers to the legislature. An Arizona bill flatly states that the legislature may "revoke the secretary of state's issuance or certification of a presidential elector's certificate of election" by a simple majority vote. Some state legislatures seek to impose criminal penalties on local election officials alleged to have committed "technical infractions," including obstructing the view of poll watchers.

The stage is thus being set for chaos. Imagine weeks of competing mass protests across multiple states as lawmakers from both parties claim victory and charge the other with unconstitutional efforts to take power. Partisans on both sides are likely to be better armed and more willing to inflict harm than they were in 2020. Would governors call out the National Guard? Would President Biden nationalize the Guard and place it under his control, invoke the Insurrection Act, and send troops into Pennsylvania or Texas or Wisconsin to quell violent protests? Deploying federal power in the states would be decried as tyranny. Biden would find himself where other presidents have been where Andrew Jackson was during the nullification crisis, or where Abraham Lincoln was after the South seceded navigating without rules or precedents, making his own judgments about what constitutional powers he does and doesn't have.

[EihTooms]

The table doesn't display correctly, but.

Statistics.

The following table compares selected results for the Democratic and Republican presidents, using the Blinder & Watson data (typically Truman's elected term through Obama's first term). The abbreviation "pp" means percentage points.

Democrats Republicans Difference.

Real GDP growth 4.33% 2.54% 1.79 pp.

Job creation rate % 2.59% 1.17% 1.42 pp.

Unemployment rate % 5.64% 6.01% 0.38 pp.

Unemployment rate change -0.83 pp +1.09 pp 1.92 pp.

Inflation rate (GDP deflator) 2.89% 3.44% 0.55 pp.

Budget deficit % potential GDP 2.09% 2.78% 0.69 pp.

Stock market S&P 500 annual return 8.35% 2.70% 5.65 pp.

It should also be pointed out that the numbers are actually better for Dems and worse for Repubs than the ones generally published by those sites. The reason being their methods usually credit GDP growth in the quarter PRIOR to an inauguration and the quarter OF the inauguration when the incoming president typically has not even done or passed anything into the system to that incoming president.

Same with the well established trajectories up or down of the unemployment rate, the stock market, inflation and the general economy ocurring at the time of an election and inauguration. They never significantly change just because an election or inauguration took place.

Naturally, that means when an incoming Dem takes over from an outgoing Repub during the usual Great Repub Crash, Recession/Depression etc, the incoming Dem's resultant statistics will be unjustly negatively effected by the crap conditions he inherited.

Likewise, when an incoming Repub takes over from an outgoing Dem during the usual stable, thriving, steadily growing Dem economic expansion during NO Crash or Recession, the incoming Repub's resultant statistics will be unjustly positively effected by the fine conditions he inherited.

That is the case with those Dem vs Repub stats as well.

[Xpartan]

The trumpers will keep recounting until they get the result they want. But this is not about finding out if trump won because, as imbecilic as they are, trumpers know that the former guy lost.

What trumpers really want is to go back 250 years to when the only people who could vote were:

White.

Straight.

Male.

Property owners.

Not sure about number 4. I would replace them with "The uneducated. " A special group of people Trump loves so much, and boy do they return the affection!

[EihTooms]

The table doesn't display correctly, but.

Statistics.

The following table compares selected results for the Democratic and Republican presidents, using the Blinder & Watson data (typically Truman's elected term through Obama's first term). The abbreviation "pp" means percentage points.

Democrats Republicans Difference.

Real GDP growth 4.33% 2.54% 1.79 pp.

Job creation rate % 2.59% 1.17% 1.42 pp.

Unemployment rate % 5.64% 6.01% 0.38 pp.

Unemployment rate change -0.83 pp +1.09 pp 1.92 pp.

Inflation rate (GDP deflator) 2.89% 3.44% 0.55 pp.

Budget deficit % potential GDP 2.09% 2.78% 0.69 pp.

Stock market S&P 500 annual return 8.35% 2.70% 5.65 pp.

Yep, the False Equivalency Bothsiders (i. e. consistently failed Repub economic results defenders and promoters) apparently believe there is no noticeable difference between THREE Recessions in 8 years, every major economic downturn in the past 100 years (not talking about the historically brief and relatively insignificant one in 1948 and the even more brief and insignificant one purposely induced by the Fed in early 1980 to cool down an overheated economy and tame hyper inflation), every major Bear Market Crash of the past 100 years, ten consecutive months of 10%+ headline unemployment and millions of USA job losses vs NO major economic downturns begun, NO serious Bear Market Crashes, historic Bull Market Runs, historic positive USA jobs creation in the millions.

Nope. No noticeable difference between the two at all. Doesn't really matter which side you argue for, which one you vote for or who wins. Might as well flip a coin. Or just don't vote or vote for some waste of time third or fourth party candidate.

Sure, other than the radical, polar opposite mindset, philosophy, agenda, methods and, most importantly, results, there is really no difference between Repub and Dem government and economic stewardship. Debating for one side over the other with reliable supporting links, statistics and data is equally hilarious and loony.

[EihTooms]

Do you ever tired of being a one trick pony? It would help if you had more in your hip pocket than what has been demonstrated as false by myself on at least three occasions. But never underestimate the fallacy of the ad nauseam, as if you repeat something often enough, month after month in a hooker forum it's bound to come true.

Oh, that's right, you "proved" to us that Eisenhiower's economic stewardship results were great despite presiding over THREE Recessions during his 8 years in office and producing one of the worst USA jobs creation records of all time because the cars were really cool back then and, thanks to safety net entitlements installed by Dems just prior to Eisenhower to carry Americans through the predictable Great Repub Crashes, Recessions and Massive Job Losses, some Americans could buy and keep their car payments up even during the atrocious Eisenhower economy.

I forgot. Yeah, you really got me with that one.

[PVMonger]

Do you ever tired of being a one trick pony? It would help if you had more in your hip pocket than what has been demonstrated as false by myself on at least three occasions. But never underestimate the fallacy of the ad nauseam, as if you repeat something often enough, month after month in a hooker forum it's bound to come true.

The table doesn't display correctly, but.

Statistics.

The following table compares selected results for the Democratic and Republican presidents, using the Blinder & Watson data (typically Truman's elected term through Obama's first term). The abbreviation "pp" means percentage points.

Democrats Republicans Difference.

Real GDP growth 4.33% 2.54% 1.79 pp.

Job creation rate % 2.59% 1.17% 1.42 pp.

Unemployment rate % 5.64% 6.01% 0.38 pp.

Unemployment rate change -0.83 pp +1.09 pp 1.92 pp.

Inflation rate (GDP deflator) 2.89% 3.44% 0.55 pp.

Budget deficit % potential GDP 2.09% 2.78% 0.69 pp.

Stock market S&P 500 annual return 8.35% 2.70% 5.65 pp.

[PVMonger]

Your "logic" is hopelessly flawed. You're comparing critics of trumpism to ultra-left rioters, yet I haven't seen a shred of evidence that anyone on this board who criticizes ultra-right wingnuts, supports any rioters on the far left. We are a voice of reason, while the wingnuts keep pushing the "steal" lunacy after all courts in the nation (65 losses so far, I believe) told them to take a hike. They keep at it even after the much-touted Ariziona recount lunatics found even more votes had been cast for Biden than previously thought and left the scene with their tail between their legs.

Did it stop the lunatics? Fuck no! Now ever-trumpers demand the recount in Texas. In Texas, which their cult leader fucking won!

"Bizarre interpretations of things," huh? That wouldn't even begin to describe it.

The trumpers will keep recounting until they get the result they want. But this is not about finding out if trump won because, as imbecilic as they are, trumpers know that the former guy lost.

What trumpers really want is to go back 250 years to when the only people who could vote were:

White.

Straight.

Male.

Property owners.

[Paulie97]

Ok, Another Mr. False Equivalency Bothsider, please explain why every major USA economic downturn, massive USA jobs destruction, stock and housing market crash of the past 100 years, including the most recent one, occurred as the direct result of the stewardship, decisions and legislation promoted by, passed by and presided over by Republicans

Do you ever tired of being a one trick pony? It would help if you had more in your hip pocket than what has been demonstrated as false by myself on at least three occasions. But never underestimate the fallacy of the ad nauseam, as if you repeat something often enough, month after month in a hooker forum it's bound to come true.

[Xpartan]

You really aught to realize that you seem equally as loony with your own set of conspiracy talking points. I find it hilarious to watch the left and right pounce on each other for the craziest and most bizarre interpretations of things. It's as predictable as the setting sun that no matter what your opinion will be in a particular subject, it will always be passed through the filter of your desires. You could never assume either of the left or right see things the same way, the polarization has really created some good comedy but tragedy at the same time via BLM riots and the idiots who broke into the capital. We all have a nutty lefty or righty uncle to laugh at, you just prove they are well stocked.

Your "logic" is hopelessly flawed. You're comparing critics of trumpism to ultra-left rioters, yet I haven't seen a shred of evidence that anyone on this board who criticizes ultra-right wingnuts, supports any rioters on the far left. We are a voice of reason, while the wingnuts keep pushing the "steal" lunacy after all courts in the nation (65 losses so far, I believe) told them to take a hike. They keep at it even after the much-touted Ariziona recount lunatics found even more votes had been cast for Biden than previously thought and left the scene with their tail between their legs.

Did it stop the lunatics? Fuck no! Now ever-trumpers demand the recount in Texas. In Texas, which their cult leader fucking won!

"Bizarre interpretations of things," huh? That wouldn't even begin to describe it.

[EihTooms]

You really aught to realize that you seem equally as loony with your own set of conspiracy talking points. I find it hilarious to watch the left and right pounce on each other for the craziest and most bizarre interpretations of things. It's as predictable as the setting sun that no matter what your opinion will be in a particular subject, it will always be passed through the filter of your desires. You could never assume either of the left or right see things the same way, the polarization has really created some good comedy but tragedy at the same time via BLM riots and the idiots who broke into the capital. We all have a nutty lefty or righty uncle to laugh at, you just prove they are well stocked.

Ok, Another Mr. False Equivalency Bothsider, please explain why every major USA economic downturn, massive USA jobs destruction, stock and housing market crash of the past 100 years, including the most recent one, occurred as the direct result of the stewardship, decisions and legislation promoted by, passed by and presided over by Republicans (but none of the historic USA jobs creation, Bull Market Runs, housing market gains, etc).

Bad Repub luck? A weird 100 years long series of "economic cycles" that mysteriously only plague Repub administrations but never Dem administrations no matter how long each Party maintains predominant federal power? A witch's curse on Repubs? Evil "liberal" mainstream media having the audacity to accuratelyreport historically crap Repub policy results and far, far superior Dem policy results?

I don't see where citing and linking actual historical data, results and facts from reputable sources...like the USA Bureau of Labor Statistics...has anything whatsover to do with the kind of loony conspiracies promoted by actual elected Repub members of Congress, The Former Guy in the WH and their devoted electoral base and supporters here.

Did you actually watch and listen to that loon on the link Smoothy just posted and to which I replied?

Of the dozens if not hundreds of supporting links I have posted on this site pertaining to politics you have never seen one from me that looked and sounded that slipshod ridiculous. I doubt you have seen any that amateurish and pathetic from anyone here posting a link to support a pro-Biden or pro-Dem point. Unless it was clearly meant as a joke.

Yet, that is quite often the kind of loony fringe junk we get from Smoothy and others on the pro-Trump/GQP, Biden/Dem-bashing side.