American Politics

[PVMonger]

If you think the police act irresponsible then why don't you go with a police officer on patrol at night in West Side Chicago where 1000 people have been shot this year. You can be the guy that talks the guy with a gun to peacefully surrender.

This isn't about any side of Chicago so stop deflecting. The OP said 10 unarmed blacks killed per year. I proved him wrong. People who suffer from cranial-rectal-inversion often have colored vision.

[Beijing4987]

Only 3/5's of the black vote are valid. That's enough for the Orange Menace to crow for victory. Getting closer to being a banana republic. Ted Cruz will don military garb with all the medals of victory. Liz Cheney will be incarcerated at Colorado's Super Max prison in a cell next to Shorty El Chapo Guzman.

[Canada]

It has already been recounted under official guidelines. If this was a serious effort to recount it would be done by a group that has the experience and skills to do the job based on the election counting guidelines under independent and public scrutiny. It's clear none of those criteria are being met.

Criteria has been met and a recount will be done with the democrats trying to block and hinder it. Arizona county clerk has already admitted there were mistakes but not said they were not intentional. Obviously you are one of the ones that are worried about the outcome. It isn't about weather Trump won or not but it is about weather or not the democrats cheated.

[GDreams]

After several people involved in the counting of the votes have claimed voter fraud in the election Republicans are trying to do a recount which they are entitled to. The democrats are trying to block it in every way. Letters to the editor in local newspapers today are demanding that they do not do a recount. I know several people on this site don't want a recount or investigation either. If I was accused of wrongdoing and had done nothing wrong I would welcome an audit and prove my innocence. Why are the democrats trying to block this if they are innocent or if there is no wrong doing. Why is it when democrats are accused of anything they don't want to be investigated? They are scared the truth will come out. Only a guilty party would refuse evidence. If there was no fraud then just let them recount. If there was fraud keep fighting the recount.

It has already been recounted under official guidelines. If this was a serious effort to recount it would be done by a group that has the experience and skills to do the job based on the election counting guidelines under independent and public scrutiny. It's clear none of those criteria are being met.

[Canada]

As usual, your statement is BS. Here's proof.

"Since 2015, police officers have fatally shot at least 135 unarmed Black men and women nationwide, an NPR investigation has found. NPR reviewed police, court and other records to examine the details of the cases. At least 75% of the officers were white."

"For at least 15 of the officers, the shootings were not their first or their last."

"Those who study deadly force by police say it's unusual for officers to be involved in any shootings. 'Many officers will go their entire career without shooting sometimes without pulling their gun out at all,' said Peter Scharf, a criminologist and professor in the School of Public Health at Louisiana State University and co-author of The Badge and the Bullet: Police Use of Deadly Force."

If you think the police act irresponsible then why don't you go with a police officer on patrol at night in West Side Chicago where 1000 people have been shot this year. You can be the guy that talks the guy with a gun to peacefully surrender.

[Canada]

After several people involved in the counting of the votes have claimed voter fraud in the election Republicans are trying to do a recount which they are entitled to. The democrats are trying to block it in every way. Letters to the editor in local newspapers today are demanding that they do not do a recount. I know several people on this site don't want a recount or investigation either. If I was accused of wrongdoing and had done nothing wrong I would welcome an audit and prove my innocence. Why are the democrats trying to block this if they are innocent or if there is no wrong doing. Why is it when democrats are accused of anything they don't want to be investigated? They are scared the truth will come out. Only a guilty party would refuse evidence. If there was no fraud then just let them recount. If there was fraud keep fighting the recount.

[PVMonger]

That is exactly what they and their fake news are saying. The fact is that the number of unarmed black men shot dead by police in America is around 10 a year. In a country of 330 million. Of those ten or so, several were shot by non-white cops, and others were charging the cop and trying to grab his gun (as in the Michael Brown shooting). The actual number of unarmed black men complying with instructions who are killed by white police is so low it is frankly probably zero. And yet we are told it is some kind of epidemic, which is the exact opposite of reality. This complete clownworld inversion of the truth is something you would expect in North Korea or the Soviet Union. Thank goodness we still have some free media who refuse to go along with the establishment fake news line.

As usual, your statement is BS. Here's proof.

"Since 2015, police officers have fatally shot at least 135 unarmed Black men and women nationwide, an NPR investigation has found. NPR reviewed police, court and other records to examine the details of the cases. At least 75% of the officers were white."

"For at least 15 of the officers, the shootings were not their first — or their last."

"Those who study deadly force by police say it's unusual for officers to be involved in any shootings. 'Many officers will go their entire career without shooting — sometimes without pulling their gun out at all,' said Peter Scharf, a criminologist and professor in the School of Public Health at Louisiana State University and co-author of The Badge and the Bullet: Police Use of Deadly Force."

[Chris P]

If you want to know the news you either watch Fox News or stop for a week. No one watched CNN or MSNBC to hear real news. They listen to it to get all the liberal high five fake news. Obviously majority of the people trust Fox News more than the other based on the ratings over the last 10 years. I suppose you don't believe in the ratings either because they don't suit you. Fox states the facts and sometimes republicans get upset at their news. Fox News is only news station to report a crises on the border. Even the democrat senators on the border states are going to Biden to address the crises but you and the other socialists can't even acknowledge the issue. Keep watching your fake news and keep posting how great Biden and Harris are. Democratic states homeless problems, defund police, riots, welfare, racism, unemployment all seem fine to you socialists but Republicans don't like these things. Keep living in LaLa land your kids and grandkids will be the one suffering in the future.

Fox's ratings are usually higher than CNN and MSNBC combined. Tucker Carlson in particular is excellent, holding the left accountable and looking at the bigger picture on issues such as the breakdown of law and order, democrat refusal to address the border invasion (because they see the illegals as future democrat voters), the reality of violent BLM and antifa riots, and many more. No wonder he has the highest ratings in cable news history and is attacked hysterically in the fake news. Nobody actually watches CNN or MSNBC: the only reason they are viewed at all is because woke social media companies push clips of the shows.

[Chris P]

I presume it won't be too hard telling us how you've come up with this fact?

https://trendingpolitics.com/the-dat...y-police-knab/

"The Washington Post's police shooting database further underscores how rare it is that unarmed black males are shot by police officers. Its reported police killings of unarmed black males in 2019 is far below even the 27 reported by Mapping Police Violence. It is a total of 11 — fewer than a dozen cases. ".

The woke socialists can keep churning out their endless pages of unreadable, unrealistic PC bilge, and Mr Enternational, Canada, I and the other sensible posters living in reality will continue to debunk it with fact. Good day.

[Mursenary]

Your confusion relates to the fact that you are operating with faulty information, and seemingly have only been accessing right wing talking points. It's also bigoted when you label a whole culture "toxic" because it is different than what you want to consider "mainstream. " This while placing the burden all on the shoulders of blacks to change when a historic, dominant culture has been repeatedly seen to manifest itself in institutions, and notably, police forces, IE. "systemic," a concept you wish to side step / delute while focusing only on black culture. Some whites in positions of authority need to change, and at the least meet the others halfway by way of dialogue. But here I am referring to an earlier post from you.

As to the 50's, well, that was a golden age for a lot of common folks with US manufacturing and strong unions. Many blacks benefitted from that. However tax rates during the era would make modern "conservatives" (whatever that is anymore) shit bricks.

I am not confused and hold true to my conviction entirely and reject yours to a great degree. I am further confident of that seeing that your supporting evidence cites progress of mere material metrics. Nothing personal or offensive intended.

Believe me, this was not a dig. It was more of a statement of conditions.

That was the prevalent society of my youth. Poor, black, low education. Half of my friends came from split parent homes or single parent homes. And many with both parents in the house were hindered by fathers carrying psychological trauma from racial abuse he suffered in the 50's and 60's. (Previous is Not a statistic or meant to say majority, average, etc. It is just a statement of my perspective and background).

And I'll reemphasize the word "average" as to clarify that it is not a universal reality. I won't even go as far as to say that it is over 50%, but easily would say a plurality.

The toxic culture term was not to place direct blame on black people as to my allusion to 50's and 60's. It was supposed to state a reality in which something was done to them. The hood-rat culture stereotype is still a visible reality for many. Many black people complain about the crabs in a barrel mentality, (when one crab is climbing out, another pinches him and keeps him in the barrel). And even successful black Americans still carry around psychological trauma that effects their worldview. Believe me, as an immigrant, that sticks with you even after you've "made it."

Secondly, you mix up systemic with prevalent or even extremely prevalent bordering on universal. The systemic association with police I reject, save maybe something like Stop and Frisk policies but even that is not exactly explicitly systemic. The various incidents of arrests and murders were not due to protocol or policies. They were due to individuals and their cultural biases breaking protocol or poorly communicating. Now, there can be a large number of individuals with biases, even a majority, and the effects may be the same as something systemic. It's a technicality with perhaps the same result but it is an important distinction as to clarify that the problem lies within each person even extending to our collective humanism rather than the written laws and policies.

Are there still some instances of systemic racism? Yes. The effects of previous redlining and current gerrymandering is around. Perhaps there are more examples too. I am open to that reality.

I do take offense to your accusation of conservative bias as I feel that I have adopted more liberal ideals than you have conservative ones.

Again, respectfully. I just disagree with your assessment of my views and reasoning. I disagree a hell of a lot.

[Paulie97]

The best and most appropriate summation to date. The more we read from the uninformed one, the more applicable these words are.

The problem is these online discussions go full circle, and what was refuted two weeks ago gets asserted all over again so anyone who participates long enough is forced to go in circles. That's a bad use of my time. But yea, and for the second time, there's a minority of blacks that grow up in poverty and seek out alternative ways to prosper, and this can involve gangs and drugs. This has been going in the states approaching 200 years. At first it was primarily the Irish, then the Italians. Murder rates in Chicago during the Capone era were similar as now. It's a dirty business and nothing new, but it's a small minority of blacks in spite of these efforts to paint them all as lazy, inferior, over indulgent criminals. The same stereotypes were placed on the Irish and Italians. Go in most any major city or predominantly black neighborhood and you'll find loads of blacks working hard in a variety of professions. The vast majority aren't standing on the corner selling crack. Nor are they down at the pawn shop buying gold chains with their stimulus money. But even if they were, so what? There's been no shortage of white guys around these communities bragging about spending all their stimulus on hookers, so what's the difference? Well the latter doesn't work with anyone's agenda for pushing stereotypes so it's left alone. Yea we get it. Wink.

[Run Mann]

Gazette Times .


Comments: he sponsors and votes a bill to punish men who hire prostitutes, and he gets caught breaking the law that he sponsored. Sadly ironic. . . And typical of American politicians. . . Hoist by his own petard.

Par for the course when it comes to politicans, they are known for being hypocrites, sponsoring bills to ban gays and espousing family values in public only to get caught later in compromising postions with gays. Here are 20 family values Republicans who were got caught in the closet.

http://www.newnownext.com/19-republi...y-sex/12/2016/

[Run Mann]

Worthy of barstool banter in some brothel town but not a serious discussion. Stick with the brothel talk Bro.

The best and most appropriate summation to date. The more we read from the uninformed one, the more applicable these words are.

[Paulie97]

I have seen this shit with my own eyes.

You have an agenda and simply aren't credible when going on about what you claim to have seen. You were draw to this thread because of the attacks on Tim Scott. You are defensive because you are of a similar mind. So you lay out a bunch of anecdotes as "evidence" which has little if any value. There are plenty of Caribbean blacks that come here and remain in menial jobs. There are also plenty of black Americans that didn't spend their stimulus checks on gold chains, as PVMonger demonstrated with evidence. Also the vast majority of black Americans do not live in poverty. Here's another fact, racism exists, and though it's possible to have some financial success in spite of it, it's worth confronting. And, if you supported Trump in spite of his persistent, overt racism then you are part of the problem. The same can be said when presenting an unbalanced account of the black community as if all are spending their stimulus checks on gold chains. This is misinformation and part of the problem, regardless of your skin color.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52992795

[Paulie97]

But average black Americans are born into a toxic culture. My point is your judgement is toward a people whose youth often are not taught any better.

Believe me, I have some of the same thoughts. But you have to ask, how did black families change so much from the 50's and 60's? What happened since desegregation? What did black communities get worse and imprisonment go up? Did black Americans all of a sudden become lazy criminals?

Your confusion relates to the fact that you are operating with faulty information, and seemingly have only been accessing right wing talking points. It's also bigoted when you label a whole culture "toxic" because it is different than what you want to consider "mainstream. " This while placing the burden all on the shoulders of blacks to change when a historic, dominant culture has been repeatedly seen to manifest itself in institutions, and notably, police forces, IE. "systemic," a concept you wish to side step / delute while focusing only on black culture. Some whites in positions of authority need to change, and at the least meet the others halfway by way of dialogue. But here I am referring to an earlier post from you.

As to the 50's, well, that was a golden age for a lot of common folks with US manufacturing and strong unions. Many blacks benefitted from that. However tax rates during the era would make modern "conservatives" (whatever that is anymore) shit bricks.

But as to the current information, the situation for blacks has improved a lot since the 1960's, with far fewer living in poverty, lower unemployment rates, greater average family wealth, double the percentage of college graduates, and hugely greater representation in Congress and the Senate. In fact the vast majority do not live in poverty making the whole "toxic culture" line even less credible. Though there's toxity found in about all races and cultures. We found that out most clearly January 6th at the Capital. That's even though, according to internal reports, law enforcement wasn't much worried about those guys but instead had their eyes out for counter protesters. Funny how that one goes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52992795