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  1. #9570

    Well

    Quote Originally Posted by CenTexCrash  [View Original Post]
    It was mentioned in tonight's nightly news that Yes a President can declassifying documents BUT it has to be in documentation NOT verbal heresay.

    The documented Presidential petition to declassify the documents seized never happened because he is blowing smoke up our asses.
    It's at best grossly irresponsible carrying all that stuff off with him, but that's the sort of thing narcissists do. And it was funny when Uncle Tom Tim Scott kept going on about the search saying "this is unprecedented!" Well, Tim has a non-sequitur going as something that is unprecedented isn't necessarily unfair and unreasonable, ie. His conclusion doesn't flow from the evidence. The question as to whether an action is unprecedented speaks nothing to whether or not we should do it.

    https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...s/Non-Sequitur

  2. #9569
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! That is a good one. The vaccines work. Where did you come up with that one?

    The vaccines do little to nothing with the current strain and Biden and Fauci are living proof they do not work. The both got sick with Covid despite being vaccinated x 4. There have been more deaths and cases of Covid after the vaccine was developed than before.

    And here is an article today about the CDC lying about the safety of the vaccine.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/cd...e-surveillance
    The way vaccines "work" is that they boost your body's defense in fighting the virus' ability to make you seriously ill, require hospitalization or die. They do not create a magic bubble that prevents the virus from entering your body where you would very likely test positive for it.

    Really. No magic bubble. You can look it up.

    See, without having been vaccinated and while he was still insisting no one need bother inventing or taking a vaccine for his Pandemic Virus because "it is disappearing. It will go away without a vaccine", Trump got so sick and near death after testing positive for it he had to be Operation Dumbo Dropped by helicopter to a hospital for emergency treatment by every known remedy except bleach and light beams in order to keep him alive so he could launch into his plan to lead a violent, cop-killing mob to attempt an overthrow of American democracy.

    By stark contrast, when Biden tested positive after being vaccinated he continued working in the White House on his historic Inflation Reduction Act, his massive jobs creation and American strength and independence producing Chips and Science Act and the legislation to save American military veterans' lives after they were exposed to toxic burn pits despite the Repubs' objections to all of the above.

    Huge difference.

  3. #9568
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisP  [View Original Post]
    You clearly don't understand science (or anything else, but I digress). Science must be provable and replicable. For instance, you can go anywhere in the world, in any conditions, at any time, and if you heat water to 100 degree celsius, it will boil. That is science.
    You clearly don't understand science. If you heat water to 100 degree celsius in an environment above 1 standard atmospheric pressure (which is the case for about one quarter of the Netherlands for example) it will NOT boil. Every pressure cooker is built on that principle. That is science.

  4. #9567
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    I don't think the Presidential Declassification Process amounts to some dude pointing to 25+ boxes of material and pronouncing, "I deem all that stuff 'Declassified'" just loud enough for the moving van guys to barely hear it.
    It was mentioned in tonight's nightly news that Yes a President can declassifying documents BUT it has to be in documentation NOT verbal heresay.

    The documented Presidential petition to declassify the documents seized never happened because he is blowing smoke up our asses.

  5. #9566
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    Nope. He can do that exact thing.

    You do not have to comply with a subpoena. They are voluntary. If Trump defies a subpoena, the proper process is go to a judge and have the subpoena enforced. A judge can say that Trump had to follow the subpoena. The problem with this is that whatever decision the judge makes, it can be overturned by the Appeals Court and after that the Supreme Court which I bet it would have been, and the FBI knew that.
    Oh, then that means all the documents that Trump decided were declassified that way were marked "Declassified" so there is at least a chance that anyone involved in activities regarding secrets that suddenly are no longer secrets to any of America's enemies staying as Trump's special guest would have some clue that their Deep Cover just got blown on moving day and they might be, you know, killed.

    BTW, the warrant was for material that would be a crime to remove even if it had been properly declassified by an intelligent POTUS not bent on destroying America:

    FBI search warrant reveals agents seized top-secret documents in raid of Trump's home.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/12/docu...ndroidappshare

    The warrant directed agents to seize all physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of three laws related to handling of government documents.

    The warrant indicates that statutes relating to espionage and obstruction of justice are the foundation for the search. Convictions under these statutes can bring fines or prison sentences.

    One of the statutes, which relates to removing or destroying government records, includes a punishment of being disqualified from holding any office under the United States, according to the text of the law.

    None of the three statutes Title 18 of the United States Code, Sections 793, 1519 and 2071 hinge on whether the documents in question were classified.

  6. #9565

    Rofl

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    I still cannot believe that nuclear shit. That technology is nearly 80 years old. What a fucking joke.
    You haven't any clue what is in the documents other than that some are marked within the highest levels of classification. And if any content relates to nuclear technology, you have no clue as to the age or relevance of it. As usual all we get from you is bluster and fallacies, and in this case, the assumption of "facts" not entered into evidence to support your fake conclusion. In a word you are consistently dishonest, which should come as no surprise to anyone here, thus the joke is you as well as your contrived conclusion.

    https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/reso...-Question.html

  7. #9564
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    I don't think the Presidential Declassification Process amounts to some dude pointing to 25+ boxes of material and pronouncing, "I deem all that stuff 'Declassified'" just loud enough for the moving van guys to barely hear it.
    Nope. He can do that exact thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    If Trump had declassified them by normal means, why didn't he just say so and prove it months ago when he defied the subpoena to return them to their rightful owner?
    You do not have to comply with a subpoena. They are voluntary. If Trump defies a subpoena, the proper process is go to a judge and have the subpoena enforced. A judge can say that Trump had to follow the subpoena. The problem with this is that whatever decision the judge makes, it can be overturned by the Appeals Court and after that the Supreme Court which I bet it would have been, and the FBI knew that.

  8. #9563

    Hear! Hear!

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    If Traitor Trump thinks the legal entry and confiscation of items that were subpoena'd but never returned to its rightful owners (We, The People) was not done properly, there is a place for him to make a case for that; under oath in a court of law.

    Making a case for it NOT under oath on the steps outside a courtroom, on FUX News, by Tweet or shouting on a street corner by him or any of his hired or free spokesmen is for cowards and liars.
    But naturally, GOP / QOP / Repubs, believe the rule of law doesn't apply to them.

  9. #9562
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Um. Elvis didn't include a link for it but the reason the CDC can now relax its recommendations is because vaccines work and, thanks to Joe Biden making the vaccines free and easily available, a high percentage of Americans have gotten at least one shot.
    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! That is a good one. The vaccines work. Where did you come up with that one?

    The vaccines do little to nothing with the current strain and Biden and Fauci are living proof they do not work. The both got sick with Covid despite being vaccinated x 4. There have been more deaths and cases of Covid after the vaccine was developed than before.

    And here is an article today about the CDC lying about the safety of the vaccine.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/cd...e-surveillance

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  11. #9560
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisP  [View Original Post]
    You clearly don't understand science (or anything else, but I digress). Science must be provable and replicable. For instance, you can go anywhere in the world, in any conditions, at any time, and if you heat water to 100 degree celsius, it will boil. That is science.
    Seriously? You're lecturing about science and you just made a childish mistake that most junior-high science students would avoid. Water boils at different temperatures depending on the atmospheric pressure.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ns-arent-sure/

  12. #9559

    Elvis

    Quote Originally Posted by Villainy  [View Original Post]
    Once again the questions arises? Does a partisan hack, with no educational credentials to speak of and with no knowledge of the law or legal procedures, know anything that experienced prosecutors and a "meticulous" judge didn't know? I think not.
    He knows how to read a right wingnut block and regurgitate the fallacious arguments here. That's all you are getting.

  13. #9558
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]

    End of link. So the thing the WaPo story leaves out is Trump can declassify anything he wants
    Simply not true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    ...so this case has no chance in hell of winning and like I said before, the search was totally unconstitutional.
    Simply not true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    If the FBI precedes with this case, they will have to release the documents, and there is no way in hell they will. This all adds up to not a criminal charge against Trump but a criminal case whereby the FBI seized documents embarrassing to themselves.

    I still cannot believe that nuclear shit. That technology is nearly 80 years old. What a fucking joke.
    And for the finale. Not True.

    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-legal-defenses-debunked/

  14. #9557
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    New guidelines only recommend that people who have been exposed "wear a mask for 10 days" and get tested for the virus on day 5, according to the New York Times, a radical departure from the prior draconian measures which required self-imposed quarantines for as long as 14 days.

    The CDC also doesn't recommend staying at least 6 feet away from other people to reduce the risk of exposure.

    According to the same report, the new guidelines also say that contact tracing "should be limited to hospitals and certain high-risk group-living situations such as nursing homes". They also "de-emphasize the use of regular testing to screen for Covid-19, except in certain high-risk settings like nursing homes and prisons. ".

    And just like that, the hysteria was over, but at least we all "followed the science".

    And now natural immunity counts!

    "We know that Covid-19 is here to stay. High levels of population immunity due to vaccination and previous infection, and the many tools that we have available to protect people from severe illness and death, have put us in a different place.
    Um. Elvis didn't include a link for it but the reason the CDC can now relax its recommendations is because vaccines work and, thanks to Joe Biden making the vaccines free and easily available, a high percentage of Americans have gotten at least one shot. Consequently, the risk of getting seriously ill, requiring hospitalization or dying when or if you do test positive is low enough to relax the recommendations.

    Here is a link that clarifies the reason for it that was conspicuously missing from Elvis' rant above:

    New Covid-19 guidance from the CDC: What you need to know.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/12/new-...ndroidappshare

  15. #9556
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    Trump now is collecting tons of money in donations: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/tr...-lago-raid-son.

    Then Trump told the DOJ to release all the documents.

    "Not only will I not oppose the release of documents related to the unamerican, unwarranted, and unnecessary raid and break-in of my home in Palm Beach, Florida, Mar-a-Lago, I am going a step further by encouraging the immediate release of those documents."

    The FBI was looking for 'classified documents relating to nuclear weapons,' among other things, during its Monday raid at former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence, WaPo reports, citing 'people familiar with the investigation.'

    So hours after Merrick Garland says that DOJ only speaks through its filings in court, they go out and leak this story to the Washington Post.
    Trump has always had a copy of the warrant and an inventory of what was taken and there is no law forbidding him from releasing both to the media any time he wanted.

    Obviously, Trump did not want to do that and kept his piehole shut about it until his idiot defenders insisted Garland release it. LOL. Leaving Trump no choice but to run around in front of the train he couldn't get his defenders to stfu about and is pretending it was his idea all along. LOL.

    Of course, Trump turned it into another grift to beg for more money from his cult following suckers. He sent out an email asking for money the very next day. He's a con man grifter. That's what they do for a living. In Trump's case, he tapped into a pool of the dumbest suckers on the Planet.

    How much money did you send him?

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