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01-05-24 04:10 #13922
Posts: 5466Got a link for that?
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
Please provide a link to the text of the law on classified documents showing that merely "having" them in a storage box is a crime, totally absent from an unprovable state of mind by the owner of those boxes when they were put there (that would be the KNOWINGLY thingy) or the effort to keep them despite an authoritative request to return them (that would be the RETAIN thingy).
That's all. I don't need more from you for now. I am all laughed out by the image of you being so twisted in knots trying to deal with it you are actually staring at your own bunghole within an inch of your nose with your feet covering your ears.
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01-05-24 01:54 #13921
Posts: 2579You really earned this
"And this from Mr. Rule of Law guy. Trump and Biden broke the same law, and you are in no position of knowing who is telling the truth about what happened or which one is lying. What is fact is that they both broke the same law and Trump's documents were taken by machine gun and Biden's were not.
And you are such a narcissist you think it could not happen to you. Yes, Mr. Rule of Law, Trump can offer up a subpoena for millions of documents, some of which you do not have, and when you do not produce them, order a SWAT team in to go raid your residence. You opened up that Pandora's box. No federal judge is going to protect you after this fiasco.
I could not be more happy to be more wrong, Spidy. Now that you douches are saying it is legal to kick people out of office for just the appearance of being in an insurrection, we can kick out of office anyone associated with the 2020 steal, the future 2024 steal, and anyone involved in the BLM riots or with BLM period. We do not need a trial. We just need the videotape and we can start ignoring the will of the people and election results too.
Thing that gets me is the Democrats pull their douche shit first, and Republicans hit back 10 X harder. What gets me with you and Tooms Spidy is you are literally cheering on disregarding the vote / will of the people and literally cheering on the weaponization of the legal system. You are cheering on verdicts without trials, criminal prosecutions for political purposes, and votes not counting. You are literally tearing up Democracy because you want one party rule. There is no arguing with you two. There is just defeating you.
Now that we know beyond a doubt that is what you Dems really want, one party rule by any means possible, we are going to do all we can to make sure the one party in power is ours.
I keep waiting for one of you to say, "Hey, this is too much", but now I see there is nothing you would not do to win. ".
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/...ovid-policies/
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01-04-24 22:49 #13920
Posts: 2579
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01-04-24 18:20 #13919
Posts: 5466USA's adversaries love Repubs. Trump most of all. And he loves them back.
Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
Seriously, when our intel agencies discover evidence that Russia, China and any other adversaries and enemies of America are interfering and tampering with America's elections, is there any reason to waste so much as 1 minute wondering which side they were hoping would benefit from it? Lolol. It sure as hell isn't going to be Joe Biden and the Dems. LOL. And it sure as hell wasn't Hillary Clinton.
Oh, lookie lookie here! Isn't this what ChristoFacist Mike and his Pink Tinkle House Repubs are trying to find a way to Impeach President Hunter Biden for while they do fuck all nothing about Comprehensive Immigration Reform and lick their chops over the prospects of still another Ecomomy-Damaging Repub brinkmanship threat of a government shut-down?
Yep, no surprise. It turns out China / CCP was Trump's biggest graft, pay-offs and bribery source during his so-called presidency:
Trumps Businesses Got Millions From Foreign Governments While He Was President.
Democrats say Trump violated Constitution by accepting at least $7.8 million from China, Saudi Arabia and other countries for leases and hotel stays.
Jan. 4, 2024
https://www.wsj.com/politics/china-s...dency-277317cb
WASHINGTONChina and Saudi Arabia topped a list of 20 countries whose governments or state-linked entities pumped millions of dollars into Donald Trumps properties while he was president, according to a new report and previously undisclosed records that shed light on Trumps potential business conflicts as he seeks a second term.
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01-04-24 17:45 #13918
Posts: 3254Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Then you go into your Clntonian pretzel mode with what the definition of is is. The difference between retain and have? Remember the last time you tried this shit? Yeah, Clinton said he did not have sex with that woman. Yeah, oral sex does not count as real sex the same way as retain and have are different too. How did that sex explanation go over?
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Here is how it is supposed to work. Government issues a subpoena. You can comply with it or not. You do not have to even tell the government anything. If you do not comply with it, the government has the right to take you to court in which case a judge can convert in it to a warrant. The judge has the right to hold a hearing and discuss the subpoena or just sign off on it and turn it into a warrant. The 4th Amendment dictates that the warrant must "particularly describe the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. " In layman's terms, it has to be limited to time, place, and scope. That is why it was so ridiculous when the FBI went into Melania's closet. Legal? Yes. Ridiculous? Absolutely.
Here is the part you are missing, Mr. Pretzel. There was no hearing. No, the judge was told that Trump might steal or hide the documents and turned the subpoena into a a warrant. If the judge has a hearing and makes a decision, it can be over turned by an appeals court or even the Supreme Court. If the goal were truly getting the documents, that is what should have happened.
The subpoena is sealed. The rationale for seizing the documents is sealed. There is probably some idiotic comment that Trump was going to destroy documents if the subpoena was not enforced to justify not having a hearing. But what was shown? Oh yeah, the media plasters the photo of all the classified documents in Trump's home. Legal? Yes, but the optics are terrible.
When Edward Snowden was stuck in Hong Kong, he said the government would never let him stand trial in a regular courtroom. He said they would use some law from hundreds of years ago and lock him away and if he got a trial, it would be unfair. Snowden was willing to return to the USA and stand trial with a citizen jury. He was charged under the Espionage Act and was slated to face a military tribunal if he returned to the USA. IOW, he was totally right.
And now what are we seeing? Trump is disqualified on a law made up to keep confederates off the ballot. And Biden wanted General Flynn prosecuted under a law from the 1780's. FARA, another law never used before, was used to go after Manafort. And we saw the same bullshit tactics with Roger Stone.
So is this about breaking the law or is this a political conviction? Well, the public made up its mind once it was found Biden had classified documents in his garage. You Democratic douches can give your patronizing diatribes about how it is different, but the only one listening to you is your fellow douches.
The icing on the cake was the video I linked where the prosecutor is pushing like hell to have a trial before the election, and we keep seeing this. A huge part of the legal system is hell bent on not letting the American people vote for Trump by finding Trump guilty of a crime any crime. And when getting an actual conviction seemed more and more unlikely, they pulled the 14th Amendment crap.
So spare me this nonsense about the law. It is about the fact that you all are scared shitless that Trump might win again. At this point, a vote for Trump is a vote against the deep state that wants to take the choice of president away from the American people.
Instead of making better arguments, Democratic douches want to censor people. Instead of winning at the ballot box, you all scour every legal source to disqualify someone. You douches literally do not want the vote to count if Republicans win and want one party rule. You want a dictatorship run by Democrats.
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01-04-24 03:56 #13917
Posts: 2579Whomp whomp whomp
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2024/...politics-2024/
The CCP hates MAGA but I'm sure they still love their cheap Scumbag Joe and the Junkie.
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01-04-24 03:23 #13916
Posts: 5466The legal term is Retain, not Had
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
Merely "having" classified documents in a storage box is not a crime. That is why they don't use the word "had" as a point in the law. The word "retain" is the one they use and for a reason. "Retaining" them (please see the extensive definition of the word I provided previously) despite a request by the National Archives and an issued subpoena to return them was the crime Trump committed but Biden did not. And neither did Obama, Clinton or anyone else who left the Executive Branch with dozens of boxes full of thousands of documents packed by staffers, a tiny portion of which might have turned out to have still been classified. For them, no crime. For Trump, crime.
No doubt about it. You would zoom to the top of Trump's or any Repub's list of candidates for Attorney General in their Administration if only they could read just the post I quoted of yours this time.
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01-03-24 20:33 #13915
Posts: 2579"Did JFK leave with grace and dignity? Maybe you buy that bullshit about a lone gunman but when JFK went against the CIA and military industrial complex Ike talked about in his infamous farewell speech, the fact is he wound up dead. The CIA and FBI literally cooked up the term "conspiracy theorist" to use against people who did not buy the government's bullshit explanation.
I am sorry. I must have missed the #3 guy at the FBI using a phone at taxpayer expense to tell his FBI lover lawyer friend that they were going to stop Trump. He was impeached over a document that was made up and then over a phone call. Then you had Chuck Schumer telling Trump intelligence agencies could get him six ways to Sunday if he went after them.
So when you say Trump has made it all about him, do you mean that the people who voted for him to do not count? Or are they so stupid they do not count?
And when you mean country, do you mean the American people or do you mean the CIA, FBI, and military industrial complex?
In 2016, Hiliary lost because the idiot James Comey wanted to play like the FBI was being fair after letting Hiliary off the hook. He was so sure that she would win he announced a few days before the election she was under investigation. Obviously, it did not work out that one. The bullshit claim that Putin rigged the election and not the FBI was a joke in Republican circles but Dems bought it hook, line, and sinker.
And now here we are in 2024. Trump has a million indictments against him, and he is leading in the polls. And you think this incredible shift in public perception of government institutions all happened because of Trump? Unreal. It is like you Democratic douches are pretending like Russiagate and Ukrainegate and all the government sponsored censorship used and still being used to target Republicans never happened. "
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01-03-24 20:30 #13914
Posts: 2579WOWWWW I Know you are but what am I LMAO
"No you'd be flat out wrong!
Projecting (and hypocrisy) is something the you and your fellow Republican cohorts do very well. In fact, projecting (and hypocrisy) is something the Repubs have cornered the market on and have about a 90% share, when is comes to projecting (and hypocrisy).
Take the recent case of the"hypocrite / projecting" Florida Republican Zielgers, who knowingly were engaging in LGBTQ sex, threesomes and hell-knows, what other sexual depravity they were being hypocrites about, behind closed-doors? Meanwhile in public, they hypocritically called for LGBTQ book bans and blatantly, harmfully and willfully trampled, crushed and devastated the lives of LGBTQ students.
Perhaps that question is best answered, if you, MDS1, ask the very same question, while looking in the mirror?
Just remember to substitute "MSNBC" for any one of the number of the right-wing media frauds that you love so much. You know? The ones that lie to you, spread misinformation, ask you to send them money, have $787 million dollar defamation lawsuit for lying to Americans and yet another 30 or more lawsuits, for sexual harassment, wrongful termination, libel, slander and other defamation lawsuits. Yeah, those bogus right-wing media outlets!
Well, as for the rest of your post. That's just more 90% Republican PROJECTING again!
Please specify where I mentioned race / color in my post? That is your "hang-up", NOT mine!
No need to"pull the race card" just yet (save that trick for another day), as race was neither explicitly nor implicitly implied, in my post.
As for Ginni Thomas, I said, "beast of a wife" simultaneously referring to her figuratively and literally, w / are to her political and dietary.
But it is funny though, as you on the other hand, refer to her as ". A nasty beast. "Please tell me, how exactly is it, you think Ginni Thomas, is "a nasty beast"?
FYI, today's usage of the word, "beast", is more often than not, seen and used positively.
For example:
-Four straight in-depth and poignant posts, that address and rebut MAGA Repub nonsense, has put me in "beast mode".
-Ginni Thomas is a beast, when it comes to her position on her J6 insurrection involvement. ".
You're like trying to debate a 5 year old!
NO I'm NOT BUT YOU are.
Just save time and cut and paste that in all your replies LMFAO.
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01-03-24 19:12 #13913
Posts: 3254Originally Posted by Goatscrot [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Goatscrot [View Original Post]
So when you say Trump has made it all about him, do you mean that the people who voted for him to do not count? Or are they so stupid they do not count?
And when you mean country, do you mean the American people or do you mean the CIA, FBI, and military industrial complex?
In 2016, Hiliary lost because the idiot James Comey wanted to play like the FBI was being fair after letting Hiliary off the hook. He was so sure that she would win he announced a few days before the election she was under investigation. Obviously, it did not work out that one. The bullshit claim that Putin rigged the election and not the FBI was a joke in Republican circles but Dems bought it hook, line, and sinker.
And now here we are in 2024. Trump has a million indictments against him, and he is leading in the polls. And you think this incredible shift in public perception of government institutions all happened because of Trump? Unreal. It is like you Democratic douches are pretending like Russiagate and Ukrainegate and all the government sponsored censorship used and still being used to target Republicans never happened.
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01-03-24 18:46 #13912
Posts: 3254Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
What you are so dumb about though is the average person breaks three laws a day. It is arrogant beyond belief then for you to say one man is innocent and another is guilty without a trial. Prosecutors make decisions about what laws to enforce and they should be apolitical, and we are seeing clearly they are not.
Trump, Hiliary, Mike Pence, and Joe Biden all had classified documents in locations that were not secure, and Trump had the ability to declassify all that he wanted to unlike the other three. Still, that is not the problem.
The issue is not a legal one but a customary one. It is customary to understand that an ex-president has more classified information in his head than ever could be put on paper, and you treat him differently because of that. You should tread even more lightly when he is a likely political opponent. Legally, you can send in a SWAT team to get documents. Hell, a prosecutor could have asked a judge to approve a warrant doing that with any of the pols, and these fucking judges rarely say no especially if you pick the right one. The issue is not legal but the optics. This is more banana republic shit, and you are cheering it on.
You seem to forget the photo of Elian Gonzalez and some federal thug pointing a machine gun at the head of a relative of Elian Gonzalez. Without that photo, Gore probably wins in 2000.
And you guys and your gun control. Yeesh.
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01-03-24 14:44 #13911
Posts: 3682Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
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01-03-24 13:48 #13910
Posts: 1127"Trump era", has "sharks" and "vampire-squids"...circling Repub caucus
Originally Posted by The Cane [View Original Post]
Yes, indeed, for the past several years during the "Trump era" (which I hope I've seen the last of in 2024), we've seen and heard the word "unprecedented", become part of our lexicon, due large in part to the shenanigans and criminal behavior of the 2x impeached, 4x indicted, 91 criminal felony counts of the 45th.
As for the right-wing conservative media, again your assessment is bang on! I've just said as much in a recent post and have no doubt they'll go back to being lied to in their right-wing "echo-chambers", in no time at all.
I'll tell you what though, my biggest take-away from the "Trump era", thus far (and probably for the foreseeable future), is that:
- One, however small the Republican right-wing "political grift" was in the past, before the "Trump era"...Trump has blown it up and has placed it on steroids;
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- Two, Trump has set the bar so low, for becoming leader of the Republican party, that it's akin to "blood in the water", and attracted the other wanna be dictators, fascist authoritarians, low-life "sharks", narcissists, self-aggrandizing, self-absorbed, right-wing nutjobs, devoid of any REAL sense of civic duty to the American people;
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- Three, Trump has paved the way, for every fascist, right-wing grifter, charlatan, two-bit hustler, "no nothing", "know nothing", fraudster, "snake-oil salesman" and wanna be politician-vampire-squid, to take office and suck the life from, the rule of law, the constitution and democracy, all selfishly in pursuant of the grift, for the almighty dollar.
AND there it is, the nihilist cult, that is the inevitable future of the QAnon/MAGA/Repub Party, in a nutshell. (Note: Yes, Repub "caucus" is a play/pun on the word "carcass")
- One, however small the Republican right-wing "political grift" was in the past, before the "Trump era"...Trump has blown it up and has placed it on steroids;
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01-03-24 13:24 #13909
Posts: 1127Beast Mode...
Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
Projecting (and hypocrisy) is something the you and your fellow Republican cohorts do very well. In fact, PROJECTING (and hypocrisy) is something the Repubs have cornered the market on and have about a 90% share, when is comes to projecting (and hypocrisy).
Take the recent case of the "hypocrite/projecting" Florida Republican Zielgers, who knowingly were engaging in LGBTQ sex, threesomes and hell-knows, what other sexual depravity they were being hypocrites about, behind closed-doors? Meanwhile in public, they hypocritically called for LGBTQ book bans and blatantly, harmfully and willfully trampled, crushed and devastated the lives of LGBTQ students.
Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
Just remember to substitute "MSNBC" for any one of the number of the right-wing media frauds that you love so much. You know? The ones that lie to you, spread misinformation, ask you to send them money, have $787 million dollar defamation lawsuit for lying to Americans and yet another 30 or more lawsuits, for sexual harassment, wrongful termination, libel, slander and other defamation lawsuits. Yeah, those bogus right-wing media outlets!
Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
Please specify where I mentioned race/color in my post? That is your "hang-up", NOT mine!
No need to "pull the race card" just yet (save that trick for another day), as race was neither explicitly nor implicitly implied, in my post.
As for Ginni Thomas, I said, "beast of a wife", simultaneously referring to her figuratively and literally, w/r to her political and dietary greed.
But it is funny though, as you on the other hand, refer to her as "...a nasty beast..." Please tell me, how exactly is it, you think Ginni Thomas, is "a nasty beast"?
FYI, today's usage of the word, "beast", is more often than not, seen and used positively.- For example:
-Four straight in-depth and poignant posts, that address and rebut MAGA Repub nonsense, has put me in "beast mode".
-Ginni Thomas is a beast, when it comes to her position on her J6 insurrection involvement.
- For example:
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01-03-24 13:01 #13908
Posts: 1127Disqualification doesn't require a criminal verdict...
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
You do realize, Trump's actions and denial of the election, makes the hypocrisy of your statement as dumfoundedly astonishing, as it is astoundingly bafflling!
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
Second, the lower court of Colorado found enough evidence from Jan 6th Hearings (you'd know this if FOXY Muse, had televised the J6 Hearings) and agreed that Trump did engage in insurrection.
Third, although this judge kept him on the ballot, the higher Colorado Supreme Court, disqualified him and rightly so, IMHO.
A Colorado judge finds Trump 'engaged in insurrection,' but keeps him on the ballot.
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/18/12139...-him-on-ballot
Now let's see what the "bought-and-paid-for" right-wing conservative SCOTUS do?
Finally, Dems have always (and painfully so, to my chagrin), taken the slow, measured, just and lawful steps, to tie together as much, facts, evidence and findings, to form a solid "air tight" case to elicit criminal charges if that's where the evidence takes them. Unlike the current "clown show", Republican lead House Judiciary Committee.
It has always been about seeking Justice for the Dems and sadly it has always been about seeking Revenge for the Repubs.