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11-14-22 01:13 #10981
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
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11-14-22 00:57 #10980
Posts: 1127Doubtful...
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
Also see EihTooms' post below, or the full post posted 1-day ago, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2761569.
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Doubtful, very doubtful, but two-minds are better than one. That said, miracles and unicorns have been seen from time to time.
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11-14-22 00:49 #10979
Posts: 1801Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
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11-14-22 00:15 #10978
Posts: 1127Stupid? I beg to differ...
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
Sounds to me like you're saying, this is my Repub wise guy way of saying, "I give up! Stumped and stupefied by the Dems, yet again.....Ahhhh!" (...kkkk!), when saying you think its stupid, without the evidence and effort to disprove his compelling and persuasive statements and arguments.
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11-13-22 23:22 #10977
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
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11-13-22 23:14 #10976
Posts: 1127Repubs, when in power is essentially gridlock.
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
Tiny 12, perhaps I should have been clearer. I was relating / equating, the above examples (in quotes) of what Repubs do when they have power in all 3-houses, as being the same as gridlock. Meaning that, "nothing meaningful is accomplished" when Repubs are in power and that's why you and Elvis love the fact we have may now have gridlock.
Again, this gridlock example is very apropos of the Excellent EihTooms Challenge, he put forth (check back a few days) and has yet to be disputed.
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11-13-22 23:11 #10975
Posts: 1807Eating Crow, Maybe
Spidy and JustTK, I may owe you an apology, about Lula. I just googled "Glenn Greenwald Lula. " I'm too lazy to wade through the results, but maybe you're right. I'm not sure whether he's a crook or not. Spidy, you certainly have looked at this much closer than I have.
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
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11-13-22 22:58 #10974
Posts: 1127Newly elec-Pres Lula, ex-Pres Bozo and Stacy Abrams?
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
As I've said before, while I don't think Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf, will go to jail, but I hope he gets a good drubbing in the courts.
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11-13-22 22:54 #10973
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
https://www.cato.org/blog/why-did-gl...ass-corruption
When a country starts throwing ex presidents in jail, it looks like a banana republic. The bar should be high to throw a president in jail, and from what I've read, neither Trump nor Lula did anything that would merit incarceration. Probation and fines, yes. But not jail. I don't know about Brazil, but the USA incarcerates far too many people.
How do you know Fachin wasn't biased? From the link above,
"There is also the matter of Justice Fachin, who hardly can claim political impartiality himself. When Rousseff appointed him to the Supreme Court in 2015, O Globo, a Brazilian daily, reported that, in 2010, Fachin, then a law school professor at the Federal University of Paran, had signed and openly supported a lawyers manifesto urging voters to back Rousseff. It was necessary, the manifesto claimed, to guarantee the continuity of Da Silvas political program."
I don't know who Glenn Greenwald is and I'm too lazy to look him up. I suspect he doesn't have much power within the Brazilian judicial system.
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
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11-13-22 20:12 #10972
Posts: 5465Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
Where they made the big Error on the Margin was in under-sampling likely or new Dem voters / over-sampling likely Repub voters with their insistence on dragging in "save the day for the Repubs" demonstrably Repub-leaning polls like Rasmussen, Trafalgar and Emerson too often.
As I pointed out here several times along the way.
Sure, the new Dem voters they under-sampled cared about preventing the Repub Party from continuing to outlaw Sex For Pleasure around the country.
And, sure, they didn't want to support Anti-America, Anti-democracy, America-hating Fascist candidates and put them in seats of power.
But they also care deeply about Inflation, the Economy, Crime, Immigration, etc. All of those repeated Repub and pro Repub Bothsider campaign talking points.
It's just that they were not so ill-informed and blithering stupid to blame Biden and the Dems for Trump's Pandemic, mass murder, millions upon millions of jobs destroyed and his subsequent Global Supply-Chain Hyper-Inflation.
And they could hardly blame Biden and the Dems for those high Red State Crime Rates.
Or for Trump's decimation of our Immigration systems on his way out.
The "tell" on all of that was the fact that, despite the pollsters' Error in under-sampling likely new Dem voters and everyone hating everyone and everything in the wake of Trump's horrific 4-year stewardship, the polls showed that the American people hated Biden least of all the pertinent leaders and agencies.
Which I also pointed out here several times along the way.
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11-13-22 20:10 #10971
Posts: 1801Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
How do you know fachin was biased? Did he also have his verdict examined and overturned?
And which part of lula's achievements do you not want to see in USA? Alleviating poverty? Or tremendous approval, or protecting nature above big business?
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11-13-22 19:05 #10970
Posts: 5465Sigh. Nope again
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gridlock
Actually, didn't you use to call what you described "split government"? Now you think it's "Gridlock"?
Good lord.
Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema are both members of the Democratic Party. They would not budge on a couple of important aspects of Democrat Joe Biden's brilliant American Rescue Plan.
Guess what they created on those aspects?
Yep. Gridlock.
No, it isn't Split Government either.
Now, if I gave you a participation trophy for that one I would be insulting every clumsy kid who ever got a participation trophy. Which is not my style. So I hope you understand why I can't give you one.
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11-13-22 19:04 #10969
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
Lula and other Workers Party politicians were up to their knees in the Odebrecht scandal. He was convicted and sentenced before Bolsonaro came to power. The investigation commenced and Lula's home was raided when Lula's anointed successor, Rousseff, was still president. Yes, the Brazilian judge, Moro, who brought charges against Lula was biased. So was the other judge, Fachin, who released him.
Here's the entry from Wikipedia. I don't know why Themlio and Marcelo Odebrecht would have lied.
Lula and the Worker's Party.
Themlio Odebrecht said in a written report to the Attorney General of Brazil's Office (PGR) that he discussed donations to Worker's Party's (PT) campaigns with former PT president Lula. Financial support, according to the contractor, came even before Lula became president. Marcelo Odebrecht said that the "Amigo" account for former President Luiz Inacio Lula the Silva, was created in 2010 with a balance of are $40 million. In his statement, he said he gave the money to Antonio Palocci, former Finance Minister and Rousseff's chief of staff, who had been the PT contact with Odebrecht since the prior administration, when themlio Alves Odebrecht and Pedro Novis had handled payments. He said that in the middle of 2010, at the end of the Lula administration, he knew that Dilma Rousseff was going to take over and that the balance of the account would be "managed by her at her request". Thus, he set apart a sum that would be destined exclusively for the former president. He said that Lula never asked directly for donations and that everything was done through Palocci, but it became clear that the donations were ultimately for the former president.
On 4 March 2016, Lula was questioned for three hours as part of the fraud inquiry into the dealings of Petrobras, and his house raided by federal police agents. Lula, who left office in 2011, denied allegations of corruption. Police said they had evidence that Lula, 70, had received kickbacks. Lula's institute called actions against him "arbitrary, illegal and unjustifiable", since he had been cooperating with the investigations. Lula, convicted of accepting bribes worth 3. 7 million reals (1. 2 million dollars), was sentenced on 12 July to nine and a half years in prison. He appealed the sentence to the Federal Regional Court-4, which increased his sentence to twelve years and a month. On 5 April 2018, Moro ordered his imprisonment, and he surrendered two days later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Car_Wash
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11-13-22 18:18 #10968
Posts: 1801Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
When he gave up his presidency after 2 terms, he had an approval rating of 90%. He lifted 20 million Brazilains out of poverty. He pledges to preserve the Amazon RF. Why do you "hope won't happen in America (sic) in 2024" ?
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11-13-22 18:00 #10967
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
A good friend of mine who's a Democrat prefers divided government (that is, gridlock). He's looked closely at deficit spending and says it's the least when you have a Democrat in the White House and Republicans controlling the House. That's what we had during Clinton's second term, which was the only time we've balanced the budget in many decades. And that's what we'll have for the next two years, God willing.
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
Bolsonaro did not follow the Donald Trump or Stacey Abrams post-election playbooks. While he may not have come out and directly said "I lost", he's cooperating with an orderly transition, and has asked his supporters to do the same.