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09-13-22 19:56 #10148
Posts: 1119More Repubs Embracing Bothsidesism?
Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
- Donnie J. Dummkopf (QAnon\Repub mob boss and arch cheater and grifter extraordinary) asked Georgia secretary of state to 'find' 11.7k ballots, to subvert democracy and the American way of life.
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-116k-ballots/
- Donald Trump Has Cheated His Way Through His Entire Life.
https://trofire.com/2019/04/06/donal...s-entire-life/
- 10 People Who Say Trump Has Cheated Them Out of Money.
https://www.alternet.org/2016/09/10-...hem-out-money/
- Several Repub states created/published fraudulent election documents to cheat in state elections and claim they had won in their states.
https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2021/0...ege-imposters/
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...tates-n1287365
Next QAnon bothsiderists, will have you withholding your vote and NOT VOTING or voting for the Greens. All of which are good choices and considerations for the QAnon/Repub/Bothsiderists gullible cult brethren.
- Donnie J. Dummkopf (QAnon\Repub mob boss and arch cheater and grifter extraordinary) asked Georgia secretary of state to 'find' 11.7k ballots, to subvert democracy and the American way of life.
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09-13-22 19:24 #10147
Posts: 1807Tooms and PVMonger,
You conveniently omitted this part of my post from the quotes.
"And how much of all this, good and bad, is because of Trump and Biden? Well, they didn't cause COVID, aren't dictators who control the legislative branch, and don't have much to do with the business cycle or Fed policy, let alone what's happening in places like China and the Ukraine. So maybe not a lot. "
I think Trump and Biden suck, and Obama and George W. Bush sucked when they were in office. I've voted for losers in at least the last 7 presidential elections.
I'll try to reply. You've thrown everything at me but the kitchen sink, so it may take a while. I'll start with Trump and COVID.
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
But having those extra people working for the CDC in China probably wouldn't have made one iota of difference. Like your article says,
"Some health experts were skeptical that more CDC employees operating inside China would have made a difference in stemming the outbreak. Beijing has been widely criticized for silencing its own public health officials who warned of a deadly new respiratory disease emanating from the Chinese city of Wuhan and surrounding Hubei province." The problem was China, not that we didn't have CDC people in China," said Scott McNabb, a former CDC epidemiologist who is now a research professor with Emory University. He pointed to China's censorship as the main culprit in the spread of the pandemic, which has infected at least 435,470 people worldwide, killed 19,598 and upended the global economy. "
Yes, I too would fault Trump for lying about COVID. Also, instead of using the bully pulpit to try to persuade people to social distance and wear KN95 and N95 masks and the like, he was holding super spreader events. On the other hand, his administration did come up with Operation Warp Speed. Fauci and Redfield among others praise the administration for that. Trump was pushing the FDA as hard as he could to approve the vaccines. Now admittedly, that was self serving, because he thought it would help him in the election, but in hindsight it was the right thing to do. I don't think Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden would have gotten the shots in peoples arms nearly as quickly. That saved lives. I was getting a gold standard Pfizer vaccine in February, 2021, while I imagine you were still waiting on puny ass SinoVac shots in Thailand.
As to lockdowns and masks and the like, after the initial couple of months that was mostly left up to the states and localities. My guess is that, with Trump in office, there were fewer lockdowns than there would have been under President Hillary Clinton. And that was a plus for the economy and negative for public health. But really, how much difference did he make? People are going to do what people are going to do. After the first couple of months, lockdowns and mask mandates were left up to the states and localities. A good part of the reason death rates are higher for the USA is because of the people, not Trump. Where I live at least, most people wouldn't wear masks, let alone the ones that really work (N95 and KN95). Vaccination rates in the USA haven't been what they are in Europe. We could argue all day about whether personal liberties, like the God given right not to wear a mask, outweigh public health. But the fact is, in the USA, you can't always get people to do what's in their and their communities' best interests, like mask up, social distance, and get vaccinated. It's not Taiwan or Thailand.
As to the huge deficits the USA ran up during COVID, those were bipartisan. Spending and budget bills originate in the House, and Democrats controlled the House.
And one last thought. George W. Bush was the last and maybe the only president who took Pandemic preparation seriously. Our stocks of PPE ran down during the Obama and Trump administrations. Once we knew we had a pandemic on our hands, we should have spent crazy money on quality masks and tests in my opinion. "Crazy money" would only be a drop in the bucket by the side of what we spent on stimulus. With the money saved by getting people back to work and lowering hospital bills, this would have paid for itself. Trump wasn't a big fan of that. But, Biden didn't do much either. Where were the tests when Omicron hit? Nobody could get tests. Biden's "mailbox masks" were too little, too late. I have to give Biden credit for mostly setting a good example though, unlike Trump.
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09-13-22 18:57 #10146
Posts: 5454There. Fixed it.
Originally Posted by ScatManDoo [View Original Post]
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09-13-22 18:19 #10145
Posts: 2579NYT aka shit drenched TP ala some in this thread
LOL they do this with everything.
If they aren't fudging the stats like ET they are lying with omissions.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/di...13/id/1087244/
https://ilovetheupperwestside.com/fo...u-s-news-list/
So typical, the left knows they can't "win" unless they cheat.
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09-13-22 18:16 #10144
Posts: 2344When TrumpShit goes to trial, he will face numerous charges.
Including the three criminal statues listed in the legal FBI search warrant. None of those three criminal statues require the stolen and hidden documents be classified.
The crimes were stealing government records and property, which TrumpShit does not own.
Biden and Fauci are too old farts that got immunized, so they did not get seriously ill when they got Trump's plague. Immunization worked for them and millions of other old folks like me.
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09-13-22 00:49 #10143
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09-12-22 20:57 #10142
Posts: 1119Help needed with "political schizophrenia"?
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
But if you're asking my opinion, then you could always seek help from your QAnon/Repubs brethren, with any psychiatry options. Especially those with degrees from Trump University.
Again, sorry, I don't suffer from your affliction, but check with your comrades.
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09-12-22 20:30 #10141
Posts: 1119Political schizophrenia, what is it this week?
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
Who even the f#*K cares, what the hell, you're calling yourself, this week?
Your "political schizophrenia", is right on track with well known QAnon/Repubs quackery of untruths and disinformation, dressed up to look like "bothsidesism" and vice-versa.
No need to change what I've always known to be true. I don't suffer from your affliction!
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09-12-22 20:01 #10140
Posts: 1604Tell us, then
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
I'll wait but I won't hold my breath.
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09-12-22 18:28 #10139
Posts: 5454Uh
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
Dem economic stewardship results vs Repub economic stewardship results are well documented, recorded and easily reviewed and researched in the data kept by non partisan agencies and entities charged with those responsibilities; the National Bureau of Economic Research, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, even the Federal Reserve, to name a few.
For example, Dems having raised the real minimum wage for millions of American workers over the years while Repubs have largely been resisting and obstructing those efforts is not a matter of unproven faith. It is right there in the state and local employment and wage figures and in the Congressional voting records.
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09-12-22 18:11 #10138
Posts: 5454Btw
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
So it is extremely disingenuous to then carve out a praise for Trump's numbers as though he got it there as the result of his policies after inheriting a plummetting trajectory for it from his immediate predecessor the same as Clinton and Obama did.
You know that isn't what happened in Trump's case when that is exactly what happened in Clinton and Obama's case.
Your linked chart shows it.
Trump merely sat in his golf cart and let the real median income continue on the upward trajectory it had been heading for years under Obama, who inherited one of the deepest plunges on the metric of all time.
Then it took a sharp dip again in 2020 when Trump's idiotic economic decisions regarding defunding the CDC going back to 2018 came home to roost along with his nearly year long effort to convert a regional viral spread in China into Trump's Pandemic and all of the economic disasters that followed.
It isn't as though every incoming president begins his economic decision-making, policy agenda and stewardship from the same starting point conditions. Far from it.
And in at least 100 years the incoming conditions have never been worse than for the incoming FDR, Barack Obama and Joe Biden administrations.
LOL. I am sure any incoming Dem administration would have loved to have been greeted with conditions as good as those that greeted Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, George W. Bush and Trump.
By stark contrast, NO Repub would have wanted to inherit economic conditions as challenging as those that greeted FDR, JFK / LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama and Biden. A Repub would not have had the slighest clue what to do about it except how to make it worse.
As well as the data show the best aspects of the Trump economy was what he inherited from Obama-Biden they also show the worst aspects of Biden's economy is what he inherited from Trump. Which is typical of all incoming Dem vs incoming Repub administrations.
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09-12-22 16:37 #10137
Posts: 1604But that's exactly the problem, isn't it?
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
And you just used the same pro-tRUMP argument, too, with your "And real median household income rose substantially in 2019 for the first time since the Clinton administration. In 2020 dollars, it was $63,292 during 2000, and had only risen to $63,683 during 2016, the last year of the Obama administration. " statement. You don't want to blame Donnie the Dumbass but you blame Obama because he inherited a recession from W and spent most of his first term trying to fix it.
I can see blaming President Biden if the only country in the world suffering from inflation was the USA. But that's not true, is it? Virtually every country in the world is suffering from inflation, aren't they. Some more, some less but most are suffering from inflation. https://tradingeconomics.com/country...inflation-rate and https://www.ft.com/content/088d3368-...7-a7680d4d81b2 among others. There are many causes for inflation. https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/under...rise-inflation.
Worldwide inflation, post COVID, can be boiled down to the standard inflation cause: too much money chasing too few goods. That's a fact. For example, almost anybody with a functional brain could have predicted a raise in US gasoline prices post COVID by: too much money chasing too few goods. Refineries were shut down during COVID because there was a glut of gasoline. Nobody was driving so demand was down and gasoline prices did what they always do during a period of high supply combined with low demand. They fell. But it is also a fact that most of the supporters of Donnie the Dumbass complained vocally about gasoline prices early on in President Biden's presidency. Now that gasoline prices have fallen for about 90 days in a row, those same complainers haven't uttered word one. I wonder why that it? Because if they blamed President Biden for the high gasoline prices, they'd have to give him credit for the falling prices also. But the complainers on rightwingnut media haven't said boo about gasoline lately so the Moron Brigade doesn't know how to spin it.
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09-12-22 16:16 #10136
Posts: 1782Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
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09-12-22 14:28 #10135
Posts: 1782Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
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09-12-22 14:24 #10134
Posts: 1782Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
And your correct again. That's why every time you criticise the Dems. Their answer is whataboutism. What about Trump, he said this, he did that. Instead of dealing with the issue which is their party's performance. Its why Trump continues to be nr one topic here, bcos its the only means the Dems have to defend their abysmal performance. Classic Whataboutism.