American Politics

[GDreams]

Stupid is not knowing that solar and wind power is 5 to 9 times more expensive than hydroelectric or natural gas power. Stupid is not knowing that 80% of all wind and solar panels are coming from China.

Stupid is not knowing that lithium for all the electric cars is controlled by China. Switching to all electric will give millions of jobs and billions of dollars to China.

Stupid is not knowing that tariffs and fair trade protect USA manufacturers and business. Steel workers wages in USA average $74,000 annually and China $15,000 annually. Wages for appliances, textiles, clothes and shoes in USA averages over $36,000 per year and in China $10,000 per year or lower. You really think we can compete with that.

Stupid is not knowing that USA puts out only about 5% of all emissions with China, India and Russia being the biggest polluters in the world.

Stupid is not knowing that the Paris Accord cripples our industry and China and India can keep increasing their emissions into 2030 without ever cutting emissions. USA is not in the Paris Accord now and still reduces more emissions than any other country.

Stupid is thinking we can get rid of our oil industry and we can buy everything from China..

As I said talking points no cogent arguments. Fact is that new large scale solar installations are coming in at 2 - 3 c per kWhr vs 6 see for gas and 8 see for coal. Wind is 4-6 c. The UK is now coal free and will be gas free in generation in 10 years.

Fact, the largest sources of lithium are Australia and South America. There is no impediment to the US buying these raw materials and making their own batteries except there is not leadership to do so. Maybe now that will change.

The only fraud in the election was the Republican Candidate. If it was so easy to commit fraud why did Democrats not take the Senate and increase the house? Why not take total control?

What has steel wages got to do with whether an industry is providing a net benefit to the economy? With cheaper steel you can build more and lower cost buildings, infrastructure, vehicles, ships ect. Many of these industries also have high wages until they become uncompetitive because of high input costs caused by tariffs.

You say on the one hand the Paris accord would cripple industry and on the other that the US is already leading the pack in reducing emissions, did they give you an education in Canada.

You know its possible to build power lines from the south to the north to deliver all that beautiful solar and wind energy. Its possible to install wind generators off the cost like the UK and Europe.

How is it that every time Republicans gain control of the country they leave behind an economic mess?

[Canada]

I am sure every state wants to be a leader in wind and solar like $6. 2 b.

Premium Above.

US Average Price.

For the 12 months ended May 2020, California's higher electricity prices translated into Residential ratepayers paying $6. 2 billion more than the average ratepayers elsewhere in the US using the same amount of energy. Compared to the lowest rate state (Louisiana), California ratepayers paid an additional $9. 0 billion.

California Commercial Electricity Price.

70.8%.

Above Average for.

Rest of US.

California average Commercial Price for the 12 months ended May 2020 was 17.18 cents / kWh, 70.8% higher than the US average of 10.06 cents / kWh for all states other than California. California's commercial prices remained the 3rd highest in the nation.

California Industrial Electricity Price.

117.0%.

Above Average for.

Rest of US.

California average Industrial Price for the 12 months ended May 2020 was 13.82 cents / kWh, 117.0% higher than the US average of 6. 37 cents / kWh for all states other than California. California's industrial prices remained the 5th highest in the nation.

$11.2 b.

Premium Above.

US Average Price.

For the 12 months ended May 2020, California's higher electricity prices translated into Commercial & Industrial ratepayers paying $11.2 billion more than ratepayers elsewhere in the US using the same amount of energy. Compared to the lowest rate states, California businesses paid an additional $14.7 billion.

[Canada]

Stupid is not being capable of presenting cogent arguments. Just throw up the right wing talking points and run!

Stupid is not knowing that solar and wind power is 5 to 9 times more expensive than hydroelectric or natural gas power. Stupid is not knowing that 80% of all wind and solar panels are coming from China.

Stupid is not knowing that lithium for all the electric cars is controlled by China. Switching to all electric will give millions of jobs and billions of dollars to China.

Stupid is not knowing that tariffs and fair trade protect USA manufacturers and business. Steel workers wages in USA average $74,000 annually and China $15,000 annually. Wages for appliances, textiles, clothes and shoes in USA averages over $36,000 per year and in China $10,000 per year or lower. You really think we can compete with that.

Stupid is not knowing that USA puts out only about 5% of all emissions with China, India and Russia being the biggest polluters in the world.

Stupid is not knowing that the Paris Accord cripples our industry and China and India can keep increasing their emissions into 2030 without ever cutting emissions. USA is not in the Paris Accord now and still reduces more emissions than any other country.

Stupid is thinking we can get rid of our oil industry and we can buy everything from China.

Stupid is not knowing that wind and solar can not supply all our power. Stupid is not knowing that the northern states only get 8 hours of daylight in winter 6 hours in Canada and 4 or 5 hours in Alaska with little sun. Solar doesn't work in winter.

Stupid is relying on wind and solar to fly 16 hours to Australia.

Stupid is not knowing that your electric bills are going up because they are paying for wind and solar power.

Stupid is not knowing that at most you can only store 72 hours of power with wind and solar.

Stupid is thinking that there was no fraud in the election.

Stupid is agreeing with AOC and Bernie on everything.

GO fact check this.

[Golfinho]

Ahhhh, yet another conservative who believes that anything more liberal than shooting immigrants for sport is socialism.

Ugh, another liberal who doesn't know what liberalism is. Or socialism. Or conservatism, except that it's something you don't like because you don't like the people who like it. Hope that's simple enough for you, my previous post clearly wasn't.

[ShooBree]

When a monger claims to be a "businessman" who ends up in academia as an adjunct "business professor," it means that his business was investing heavily in the non-exchange traded BBFSCIP and BBBJCIMWS funds, resulting in extremely negative financial returns over decades. These funds severely underperform the S&P 500. Hence, upon reaching permanent unemployment, said monger is forced to retire to a remote jungle village in Southeast Asia to spend his last few years enticing impoverished natives to suck his soft marshmallow for a few hundred pesos. As the natives suck his marshmallow, he will lecture them on how he really showed that President Biden and VP Kamala Harris a thing or two by liquidating his meager assets and fleeing into exile from liberal America.

You seem a bit out of touch with reality. One advice for you; next time make the self projection part a bit less obvious.

[The Cane]

I doubt it.

As I've said before. I'm not here to convince anybody of anything or to try to change any minds. I'm here to call it as it is, and how I see it. Somebody can choose to believe or not believe. And if anybody has a different view, I just may say something in response if I feel strongly enough about it. Now, it must have been pretty miserable indeed having to act like you really did care about things like diversity and other "liberal" causes while serving on all of those committees that colleges and universities like to stand up. LOL! And for the record, again I'm not a liberal. You and others don't get to define who I am. I'm a left of center moderate on most issues who believes in governing from the center versus pandering to extreme views on either the left or the right. Enjoy some more stuffing!

[GDreams]

You can't fix stupid. Don't even want to try to reply to fantasy.

Stupid is not being capable of presenting cogent arguments. Just throw up the right wing talking points and run!

[Canada]

They say be nice to these Republicans as they are good people, just misguided. Its really hard though when they bring up this kind or rubbish.

1. Trump has spent the last 4 years grifting to the max. The golf expenses, getting foreign governments to buy up big blocks in his hotel to gain access to him or favourable treatment, trademarks from the Chinese, directing government employees to stay at his hotels, the big tax grab for the wealthy, the trips to the golf courses, the charitable frauds, the tax frauds, the election donation scams. There has never been a bigger snout in the trough.

2. The energy business has been the recipient of generous tax treatment, land access, bailouts for cleaning up polluted sites, lack of environmental regulations for emissions, such as dust, mercury, methane, sulphur dioxide, nitrous oxides, coal ash disposal causing toxic leaching of heavy metals and arsenic, mountain top removal with minimal rehabilitation and leaving acid mine drainage with toxic metal content, oil sludges from drilling being disposed of in pits, methane leakage from abandoned wells, I could probably go on for a few paragraphs of all the bad things from oil, gas and coal without even mentioning carbon dioxide. The point is if the companies were paying for the true cost to society then all these products would be significantly more costly.

So what is your objection to clean energy? Is it that wind and solar are now the cheapest sources of electricity? That is the reason that more than 50% of all new power generating installations around the world are now wind and solar and this is accelerating because its clean and cheap! It will replace coal once battery storage cost drops sufficiently to cover the intermittency issue.

You can't fix stupid. Don't even want to try to reply to fantasy.

[D Cups]

When a monger claims to be a "businessman" who ends up in academia as an adjunct "business professor," it means that his business was investing heavily in the non-exchange traded BBFSCIP and BBBJCIMWS funds, resulting in extremely negative financial returns over decades. These funds severely underperform the S&P 500. Hence, upon reaching permanent unemployment, said monger is forced to retire to a remote jungle village in Southeast Asia to spend his last few years enticing impoverished natives to suck his soft marshmallow for a few hundred pesos. As the natives suck his marshmallow, he will lecture them on how he really showed that President Biden and VP Kamala Harris a thing or two by liquidating his meager assets and fleeing into exile from liberal America.

Not an adjunct, reach around. Full professor. You know nothing about me or my accomplishments.

[D Cups]

They say be nice to these Republicans as they are good people, just misguided. Its really hard though when they bring up this kind or rubbish.

1. Trump has spent the last 4 years grifting to the max. The golf expenses, getting foreign governments to buy up big blocks in his hotel to gain access to him or favourable treatment, trademarks from the Chinese, directing government employees to stay at his hotels, the big tax grab for the wealthy, the trips to the golf courses, the charitable frauds, the tax frauds, the election donation scams. There has never been a bigger snout in the trough.

2. The energy business has been the recipient of generous tax treatment, land access, bailouts for cleaning up polluted sites, lack of environmental regulations for emissions, such as dust, mercury, methane, sulphur dioxide, nitrous oxides, coal ash disposal causing toxic leaching of heavy metals and arsenic, mountain top removal with minimal rehabilitation and leaving acid mine drainage with toxic metal content, oil sludges from drilling being disposed of in pits, methane leakage from abandoned wells, I could probably go on for a few paragraphs of all the bad things from oil, gas and coal without even mentioning carbon dioxide. The point is if the companies were paying for the true cost to society then all these products would be significantly more costly.

Keep dreaming!

[D Cups]

You don't know anything about me. You say you're a former university professor? Well guess what? If you're talking Ph. D, then I have as much education as you do! Well-educated, well-traveled, professionally employed, and well on my way to a comfortable retirement. And smart enough not to retire in a dump like the Philippines. Seems like my retirement accounts are deeper than yours are.

I doubt it.

[PVMonger]

VP donkey-face has quite a resume, although is this ex-Prosecuter really a socialist?

Globalists dangle the carrot of socialism to libtards and their wetdreams of free everything in order to use them to socially engineer a corporate takeover of your property, freedoms and bodies. The notion of giving everyone a basic income has nothing to do with some classless socialist utopia where everyone's equal. Any money put into hands of the shiftless quickly finds its way into corporate coffers and creates interest payment revenue streams for investors. These 'socialist policies' are nothing but a way to guarantee a paying customer base for corporations, which through private-public 'partnerships' are supplanting Governments. Now with the coronavirus opportunity, their strategy has become clear: corporations will decide the rules. Want to fly? Check with your airline's vaccination policy. The citizenry will have no recourse to a government which will no longer be making the rules. The Democratic Party is using so-called socialism to implement their globalist agenda. Trump was an obstacle, so he has to go.

Ahhhh, yet another conservative who believes that anything more liberal than shooting immigrants for sport is socialism.

[GDreams]

You are correct that Biden did nothing in 47 years but make his family rich. He may not do anything in his term but I worry about what he said when he was campaigning. Supports the green deal or has one of his own. Wants to kill the energy business in USA. Going to get back in the Paris Accord. Weaken the military. I am concerned he will be as bad as Obama with giving EPA more power, increasing government and killing small business like Obama did. I am concerned that Biden owes China for what they gave his family and Biden will cut all the tariffs on China that protect USA industry. Biden winning the election means China wins. He said he is going to give amnesty to illegals. He is looking to forgive student debt. He is going to have healthcare for illegals. This isn't from newspapers. This is Biden words in his campaigning. And don't bother fact checking with the Liberal fact checkers. They are as real as Santa and the Easter bunny. Obama weakened the USA so much and we have only recovered about half of it in last 4 years. Biden has promised too many people to get elected. BLM, illegals, socialists. I had businesses and have several friends that have small businesses. Try can't afford another 4 years like the 8 Obama years. Most of them had to stop paying their employees health insurance because of Obama care 300% increase in premiums. Maybe you never had your own business and had a few hundred employees that depended on you. If Republicans hold the Senate ten damage can be held to a minimum but if Democrats win the Senate we are all screwed. Both democrats and republicans..

They say be nice to these Republicans as they are good people, just misguided. Its really hard though when they bring up this kind or rubbish.

1. Trump has spent the last 4 years grifting to the max. The golf expenses, getting foreign governments to buy up big blocks in his hotel to gain access to him or favourable treatment, trademarks from the Chinese, directing government employees to stay at his hotels, the big tax grab for the wealthy, the trips to the golf courses, the charitable frauds, the tax frauds, the election donation scams. There has never been a bigger snout in the trough.

2. The energy business has been the recipient of generous tax treatment, land access, bailouts for cleaning up polluted sites, lack of environmental regulations for emissions, such as dust, mercury, methane, sulphur dioxide, nitrous oxides, coal ash disposal causing toxic leaching of heavy metals and arsenic, mountain top removal with minimal rehabilitation and leaving acid mine drainage with toxic metal content, oil sludges from drilling being disposed of in pits, methane leakage from abandoned wells, I could probably go on for a few paragraphs of all the bad things from oil, gas and coal without even mentioning carbon dioxide. The point is if the companies were paying for the true cost to society then all these products would be significantly more costly.

So what is your objection to clean energy? Is it that wind and solar are now the cheapest sources of electricity? That is the reason that more than 50% of all new power generating installations around the world are now wind and solar and this is accelerating because its clean and cheap! It will replace coal once battery storage cost drops sufficiently to cover the intermittency issue. Another 5 years should see it out. Once electric vehicles become main stream there will be arbitrage opportunities to use the vehicle batteries as grid storage, charging when power is cheap and discharging to the grid when power is expensive. Electric vehicles will improve air quality which will reduce health costs in cities, the use of automation will reduce accidents which will reduce the cost of insurance, repair bills and will reduce road trauma from accidents, reducing health costs. Wow, all this green innovation is really actually good for you, imagine that!

3. The China and other tariffs are not protecting industry. Many industries that rely on the import of cheap raw and semi processed materials have been hurt. The trade deficit is still increasing with some trade just moving from China to Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines, Mexico etc. Its not moving to the US. You need to identify industries that can be competitive, nurture them, have the skillsets in place and stable policies. The biggest disincentive for trade is the $US which needs to weaken to improve competitiveness. The greatest stupidity of this trade war is spending nearly the entire revenue collected from the tariffs to bail out the whiny farmers. (Oh sorry you are probably under the delusion that China pays the tariffs rather that the actual payees, the US consumer!

4. The military is an over bloated waste of money. Since WW2 they have repeatedly failed. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. Yes they did win Panama and Grenada! For the amount of money spent over the years in the Middle East the government could have bought every family a Tesla model 3! It doesn't help that the Us is in bed with Saudi Arabia who funds Al Queda, the Taliban and ISIS. Iraq has been given to Iran, Iran beat ISIS not the US. Cut military spending by 70% and use the money on education, health and infrastructure.

5. You complain about student debt forgiveness when corporate America has been given $500 b a year in tax cuts and a $2 T bailout package in the last year. How about ordinary people getting some help!

6. There are many leading economies that provide single payer healthcare with supplemental private insurance. They do it for 20 – 40% of the cost in the US. Its not Obamacare that is the problem it is the corrupt hospital and Insurance systems that buy out the politicians to protect their profit margins. Big Pharma and Big insurance has got you screwed and the best way to fix it is single payer!

[Chocha Monger]

You don't know anything about me. You say you're a former university professor? Well guess what? If you're talking Ph. D, then I have as much education as you do! Well-educated, well-traveled, professionally employed, and well on my way to a comfortable retirement. And smart enough not to retire in a dump like the Philippines. Seems like my retirement accounts are deeper than yours are.

When a monger claims to be a "businessman" who ends up in academia as an adjunct "business professor," it means that his business was investing heavily in the non-exchange traded BBFSCIP and BBBJCIMWS funds, resulting in extremely negative financial returns over decades. These funds severely underperform the S&P 500. Hence, upon reaching permanent unemployment, said monger is forced to retire to a remote jungle village in Southeast Asia to spend his last few years enticing impoverished natives to suck his soft marshmallow for a few hundred pesos. As the natives suck his marshmallow, he will lecture them on how he really showed that President Biden and VP Kamala Harris a thing or two by liquidating his meager assets and fleeing into exile from liberal America.

[The Cane]

Hey Cane,

The last thing I want to do is argue politics with you. I find it completely pointless to argue this shit plus it is a real good way to make enemies. That is why this will probably be the last time I will post in this thread for the foreseeable future. I appreciate, however, your contributions over in the Brazil forum. In this forum; not so much. Ha Ha. I can respect the Cup's preferences as well as yours.

Yes, I get it. As they say, it's normally best to stay away from politics, religion, and uh sex LOL! It's just that sometimes people need to be reminded that there are other people here besides themselves who have a stellar education and a nice pension. It's definitely not something I feel the need to wave around, but I do take exception when anybody who actually does not know me claims they are somehow superior to me in that regard. How would they really know that? The answer is that they don't. Thanks for the props on my posts in the Brazil threads. But what about the German FKK threads? Come on man! LOL! And, I do like your posts in the Thailand threads. If I did retire anywhere in Asia, it probably would be in Thailand. At this point, my plan is to retire in the USA, and then travel to a lot to places that I would like to visit. I join you in wishing everyone a safe and joyful Thanksgiving!