American Politics

[EihTooms]

I've finally gotten up to speed in this thread, so here goes.

1. No, Maher is not pro-Republican. He's extravagant and a bit of a narcissist with a penchant for a good scandal. But Maher is definitely a liberal, despite his astonishingly lavish praises of some Repubs (Gee, I still can't believe his dithyrambs of DeSantis of all assholes). But that's because of his frustration with Dems, who are too disorganized and let Repubs dictate the narrative in his opinion.

2. America would highly benefit from a strong multiparty system, but that's a wishful thinking. As a centrist, I would love to see nutjobs on the right and the left stay in their own fucking parties. Especially on the right. There are real, certifiable fascists deeply entrenched within the Repub. Party. At least, lefties ain't calling for a civil war.

3. Your argument that Gore would cause the same financial catastrophe as Dubya is laughable. Sorry, that's just nonsensical 100%. I'd love to see the train of thought that led you to this conclusion.

On the other hand, no, don't bother, LOL.

4. You probably came up with this argument to support that claim of Obama being a terrible president, which is also laughable. Because it was fucking Dubya who left him holding the bag, which didn't prevent Obama from turning the country around despite unprecedented, sustained and callous sabotage from the Republicans.

5. Yes, Tooms' view of the Democratic party is a bit idealistic. Mine is more cynical, as I believe that most politicians from both parties are self-serving assholes. That being said, Trump did leave Dems for Repubs because he knew he wouldn't be tolerated by Dems. And assholes like Ramaswamy wouldn't be tolerated either. I guess Repobs attract more ambitious assholes than Dems. I wonder why (no, not really).

6. Finally, I find Toom's economic data references quite convincing while your attempts to counter them are not. And no, I'm not a statistician or economist, but from what I understand neither are you.

So there. Good night!

You do know that Maher, just like any virulent pro-Repub Bothsider / Neithersider, doesn't have to KNOW that helping Repubs win elections is the inevitable result of his Bothsider / Neithersiderism, right? They can and still usually do tell themselves they are just being Fair and Balanced, Libertarians, liberal at heart, saying these things for the Greater Good and all that.

If anything, the ones who are most convinced in their own mind that they have only the best intentions at heart and, hey, just trying to improve the game of the side they tend to prefer anyway, which is likely where Maher falls, can do even more harm to the country by their seeming sincerety than the more obvious pro-Repub loons.

Witness how easy it was for Maher to lock into the memory that 2004 election year on his knees begging Nader not to run stunt as atonement for his incomparable contribution to helping put GW Bush in the WH in 2000 and make some of us forget WHY he felt he needed to atone for that unforgivable sin in 2000.

LOL. In Marquis' link for it the comments from other Bothsider / Neithersider Third Party suckers appear not to even understand why their hero Maher would betray their cause in 2004 with that stunt. They didn't even remember what Maher did in 2000 to create that colossal Repub mess in the first place.

But Maher sure remembered. Hence the 2004 begging stunt.

And his self-gratulatory, oft-repeated by him announcement that he donated $1 Million to the Obama Campaign was simply another atonement and memory fogging stunt.

But it was all too little too late. The classic disastrous Repub damage done by his "Bothsider / Neithersider" endorsement of Nader in 2000 had already been done and still lingers. What difference does it make what was really going on in Maher's mind when he did it? None that I know of.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"I've finally gotten up to speed in this thread, so here goes.

1. No, Maher is not pro-Republican. He's extravagant and a bit of a narcissist with a penchant for a good scandal. But Maher is definitely a liberal, despite his astonishingly lavish praises of some Repubs (Gee, I still can't believe his dithyrambs of DeSantis of all assholes). But that's because of his frustration with Dems, who are too disorganized and let Repubs dictate the narrative in his opinion.

2. America would highly benefit from a strong multiparty system, but that's a wishful thinking. As a centrist, I would love to see nutjobs on the right and the left stay in their own fucking parties. Especially on the right. There are real, certifiable fascists deeply entrenched within the Repub. Party. At least, lefties ain't calling for a civil war.

3. Your argument that Gore would cause the same financial catastrophe as Dubya is laughable. Sorry, that's just nonsensical 100%. I'd love to see the train of thought that led you to this conclusion.

On the other hand, no, don't bother, LOL.

4. You probably came up with this argument to support that claim of Obama being a terrible president, which is also laughable. Because it was fucking Dubya who left him holding the bag, which didn't prevent Obama from turning the country around despite unprecedented, sustained and callous sabotage from the Republicans.

5. Yes, Tooms' view of the Democratic party is a bit idealistic. Mine is more cynical, as I believe that most politicians from both parties are self-serving assholes. That being said, Trump did leave Dems for Repubs because he knew he wouldn't be tolerated by Dems. And assholes like Ramaswamy wouldn't be tolerated either. I guess Repobs attract more ambitious assholes than Dems. I wonder why (no, not really).

6. Finally, I find Toom's economic data references quite convincing while your attempts to counter them are not. And no, I'm not a statistician or economist, but from what I understand neither are you.

So there. Good night!

Right wing fascists? Stop reading wikipedia for your poli-sci 101 terms.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ng_points.html

Anderson Cooper anyone?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ment.html?s=04

BTW ever hear the axiom "Figures don't lie, but liars do figure" LMAOOOOOO.

So beware of anyone throwing around stats all day and night.

Lastly did you know the field of economics is not a "hard" science its extremely politicized LMAOOOOOOO.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Fuck! Is he crazy? That's a rhetorical question.

I moan and complain about Biden's Progressive handlers but they may have a useful purpose. Like preventing World War III. ".

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...e-by-debating/

I hope all 4 are taken back to the morgue by Midnight.

Pelosi.

Feinstein.

Biden.

McConell.

Anyone remember the blood curdling screams from the libtards in Hollygay when Our Lord and Savior was still in the Oval office.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...e-disappeared/

[MarquisdeSade1]

I've finally gotten up to speed in this thread, so here goes.

1. No, Maher is not pro-Republican. He's extravagant and a bit of a narcissist with a penchant for a good scandal. But Maher is definitely a liberal, despite his astonishingly lavish praises of some Repubs (Gee, I still can't believe his dithyrambs of DeSantis of all assholes). But that's because of his frustration with Dems, who are too disorganized and let Repubs dictate the narrative in his opinion.

2. America would highly benefit from a strong multiparty system, but that's a wishful thinking. As a centrist, I would love to see nutjobs on the right and the left stay in their own fucking parties. Especially on the right. There are real, certifiable fascists deeply entrenched within the Repub. Party. At least, lefties ain't calling for a civil war.

3. Your argument that Gore would cause the same financial catastrophe as Dubya is laughable. Sorry, that's just nonsensical 100%. I'd love to see the train of thought that led you to this conclusion.

On the other hand, no, don't bother, LOL.

4. You probably came up with this argument to support that claim of Obama being a terrible president, which is also laughable. Because it was fucking Dubya who left him holding the bag, which didn't prevent Obama from turning the country around despite unprecedented, sustained and callous sabotage from the Republicans.

5. Yes, Tooms' view of the Democratic party is a bit idealistic. Mine is more cynical, as I believe that most politicians from both parties are self-serving assholes. That being said, Trump did leave Dems for Repubs because he knew he wouldn't be tolerated by Dems. And assholes like Ramaswamy wouldn't be tolerated either. I guess Repobs attract more ambitious assholes than Dems. I wonder why (no, not really).

6. Finally, I find Toom's economic data references quite convincing while your attempts to counter them are not. And no, I'm not a statistician or economist, but from what I understand neither are you.

So there. Good night!

Civil War 2. 0.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ot_comply.html

W is a worthless POS but everyone knows he didn't cause the meltdown of 2008 that was a gift from Bubba!!

[Xpartan]

Fuck! Is he crazy? That's a rhetorical question.

I moan and complain about Biden's Progressive handlers but they may have a useful purpose. Like preventing World War III.

Really? Why did his fair and clear statement that Putin can't stand in power have to be walked back?

Because Putin is a head of state, and there are diplomatic protocols and blah blah blah blah blah?

I've got news for you. Putin is not a head of state. He's a head of a mafia organization. A gangster, albeit a spineless one.

Putin laughs at your diplomacy. He has an orgasm every time you're walking back things he doesn't like. The only thing he does understand, respect and fear is brute force.

Hitler said famously after Chamberlain gave him Czechoslovakia in exchange for 'peace' -- they think I'm a gentleman, well, I'm not a gentleman.

When the fuck are we going to learn?

[Tiny 12]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...utm_term=first

Fuck! Is he crazy? That's a rhetorical question.

I moan and complain about Biden's Progressive handlers but they may have a useful purpose. Like preventing World War III.

[EihTooms]

Damn it Tooms, I must be losing my touch. I fancied myself a MasterBaiter. But you didn't take the bait and came back with a clever, succinct reply. Hats off, honestly.

I'm glad to see that you're finally giving Republicans credit for positive results. I don't think you should be so hard on Democrats, as some have from time to time done positive things. Along with Newt Gingrich and other Republicans, Clinton balanced the budget, for example.

Haha. That was a casualty of late night texting, still having my posts Moderated for several hours and not being able to edit and correct mistyped. Don't worry. I have since corrected it.

I can't recall one "positive" result of Repub stewardship that was not overwhelmed and erased by their consistent negatives.

Particularly the humiliating resignation / ouster of Newt Gingrich, a terrific positive, that, alas, was still overwhelmed by his herculean efforts to prevent the historic Clinton / Dem Prosperity Juggernaut in the 1990's from being even greater than it was. All those silly time and money-wasting threats to shut down the government unless we let Newt shit all over the economy and destroy millions of jobs that ended with Clinton winning the battles anyway.

[Xpartan]

Good memory Xpartan. Indeed, they literally got down on their knees and begged Nader not to run. See 3 minutes and 30 seconds into this video.

https://videosift.com/video/Bill-Mah...der-not-to-run

Tooms' characterization of Maher as pro-Republican and condemnation of both Maher and Moore is curious. As is his faith in the mainstream Democratic Party and his worship of every Democratic President of the past 100 years. Buy hey, it's harmless, especially since he escaped hyper-blue California for Thailand. And a lot healthier than being a Branch Davidian or member of the Jonestown church.

I've finally gotten up to speed in this thread, so here goes.

1. No, Maher is not pro-Republican. He's extravagant and a bit of a narcissist with a penchant for a good scandal. But Maher is definitely a liberal, despite his astonishingly lavish praises of some Repubs (Gee, I still can't believe his dithyrambs of DeSantis of all assholes). But that's because of his frustration with Dems, who are too disorganized and let Repubs dictate the narrative in his opinion.

2. America would highly benefit from a strong multiparty system, but that's a wishful thinking. As a centrist, I would love to see nutjobs on the right and the left stay in their own fucking parties. Especially on the right. There are real, certifiable fascists deeply entrenched within the Repub. Party. At least, lefties ain't calling for a civil war.

3. Your argument that Gore would cause the same financial catastrophe as Dubya is laughable. Sorry, that's just nonsensical 100%. I'd love to see the train of thought that led you to this conclusion.

On the other hand, no, don't bother, LOL.

4. You probably came up with this argument to support that claim of Obama being a terrible president, which is also laughable. Because it was fucking Dubya who left him holding the bag, which didn't prevent Obama from turning the country around despite unprecedented, sustained and callous sabotage from the Republicans.

5. Yes, Tooms' view of the Democratic party is a bit idealistic. Mine is more cynical, as I believe that most politicians from both parties are self-serving assholes. That being said, Trump did leave Dems for Repubs because he knew he wouldn't be tolerated by Dems. And assholes like Ramaswamy wouldn't be tolerated either. I guess Repobs attract more ambitious assholes than Dems. I wonder why (no, not really).

6. Finally, I find Toom's economic data references quite convincing while your attempts to counter them are not. And no, I'm not a statistician or economist, but from what I understand neither are you.

So there. Good night!

[Tiny 12]

Woulda Coulda Shoulda.

If the past 100 years of crap results Coulda happened under Dems instead of under Repubs and (if) all those positive results Coulda happened under Dems instead of under Repubs, they Woulda.

But they didn't.

Damn it Tooms, I must be losing my touch. I fancied myself a MasterBaiter. But you didn't take the bait and came back with a clever, succinct reply. Hats off, honestly.

I'm glad to see that you're finally giving Republicans credit for positive results. I don't think you should be so hard on Democrats, as some have from time to time done positive things. Along with Newt Gingrich and other Republicans, Clinton balanced the budget, for example.

[EihTooms]

Woulda Coulda Shoulda.

If the past 100 years of crap results Coulda happened under Dems instead of under Repubs and all those positive results Coulda happened under Dems instead of under Repubs, they Woulda.

But they didn't.

Ah, late night typing and no ability to correct.

Of course, all available data, evidence, historical record of results and easily observable reality indicate I meant to type:

Coulda Woulda Shoulda.

If the past 100 years of crap results Coulda happened under Dems instead of under Repubs and all those positive results Coulda happened under Repubs instead of under Dems, they Woulda.

But they didn't.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Yep, couldn't agree more!

Of the Trump MAGA faithless cult herd, perhaps even more than any other of those running for the presidency, thus far (than even perhaps DeSantis), this guy has his head, so far up Trump's ass, he could literally, "go where no other MAGA cult faithless has gone before".

But I couldn't help but notice at the debate (from what little I saw), it was viscerally clear, there seems to be a certain amount of disdain, jealousy and contempt, amongst the other candidates for the dude. ".

Disdain jealousy contempt.

Yes a bitchy crowd of losers they are jajajaja.

They hate him "because they ain't him" LMAO.

https://www.newsmax.com/mclaughlin/c...29/id/1132489/

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Good memory Xpartan. Indeed, they literally got down on their knees and begged Nader not to run. See 3 minutes and 30 seconds into this vid.

https://videosift.com/video/Bill-Mah...der-not-to-run

Tooms' characterization of Maher as pro-Republican and condemnation of both Maher and Moore is curious. As is his faith in the mainstream Democratic Party and his worship of every Democratic President of the past 100 years. Buy hey, it's harmless, especially since he escaped hyper-blue California for Thailand. And a lot healthier than being a Branch Davidian or member of the Jonestown church."

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...utm_term=first

[EihTooms]

Yes, George W. Bush was a crappy president, as were Barrack Obama, Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Under their watch federal debt held by the public has increased from a very reasonable 33% of GDP to 95%. And that's only going to go up, given that Biden and a Democratic Congress legislated over 5 trillion in unfunded spending in 2021 and 2022, much of which hasn't kicked in yet. The country just gets closer and closer to insolvency. At current interest rates around 5%, the annual interest expense on federal debt held by the public is $1.2 trillion per year! Compare to federal revenue of around $4.9 trillion per year. Presidents have the power to veto spending bills. Too bad they don't use it.

Add to that, Bush played a large part in starting an unnecessary war.

Would Gore and Kerry have done better than Bush? Well, I think they would have been less likely to invade Iraq. But on the other hand, they're environmental zealots. They likely would have unleashed stupid policies like Jimmy Carter's price controls on natural gas. If those hadn't been lifted in the Reagan administration, natural gas would never have substituted for coal to the extent it did. Domestic natural gas not only provided cheap energy, but resulted in much lower carbon emissions. Our carbon emissions have fallen almost as much as Europe's with a lot less pain..

Woulda Coulda Shoulda.

If the past 100 years of crap results Coulda happened under Dems instead of under Repubs and all those positive results Coulda happened under Dems instead of under Repubs, they Woulda.

But they didn't.

[Beijing4987]

Cool 😎 Hand Trump: "I can eat 50 eggs!" What we have here is failure to Communicate.

[Tiny 12]

So it was election year 2004, not election year 2000 as I had previously cited as the year Bill Maher was at least as effective as any other media pundit in helping GW Bush win Florida by 535 votes and thereby take the White House. We know it was 2004 because the time reference right at the beginning of the clip has Nader alluding to Bush already being president.

Yes, George W. Bush was a crappy president, as were Barrack Obama, Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Under their watch federal debt held by the public has increased from a very reasonable 33% of GDP to 95%. And that's only going to go up, given that Biden and a Democratic Congress legislated over 5 trillion in unfunded spending in 2021 and 2022, much of which hasn't kicked in yet. The country just gets closer and closer to insolvency. At current interest rates around 5%, the annual interest expense on federal debt held by the public is $1.2 trillion per year! Compare to federal revenue of around $4.9 trillion per year. Presidents have the power to veto spending bills. Too bad they don't use it.

Add to that, Bush played a large part in starting an unnecessary war.

Would Gore and Kerry have done better than Bush? Well, I think they would have been less likely to invade Iraq. But on the other hand, they're environmental zealots. They likely would have unleashed stupid policies like Jimmy Carter's price controls on natural gas. If those hadn't been lifted in the Reagan administration, natural gas would never have substituted for coal to the extent it did. Domestic natural gas not only provided cheap energy, but resulted in much lower carbon emissions. Our carbon emissions have fallen almost as much as Europe's with a lot less pain.

Gore and Kerry, if they believed then as they do now, would have kneecapped our domestic oil and gas industry, and greatly run up the price of gasoline and home heating and the like. And for what? The reduction in USA Emissions would have been a drop in the bucket compared to what has and will come down the pike from China and other developing countries.

Furthermore, contrary to your beliefs, the 2008 recession would have happened if Gore or Kerry had been president.