American Politics

[PVMonger]

Yes you are right. Sanctuary city but they had the National Guard kick the illegals off the island. Those are your compassionate democrats. Hypocrisy at its finest.

It is quite amusing to see these two (as opposed to 'to' or 'too') charter members of the Moron Brigade believing whatever BS rightwingnut media spews. And not only do they believe it, they congratulate each other on believing it.

These two support lying to these folks and trafficking them and using them as a political stunt. I hope that the Texas sheriff and others find Abbott and Costello (aka DeInsaneness) guilty of human trafficking. If anyone else would have done the same thing they'd have been thrown in jail already.

FYI, you two ID ten t's, the National Guard escorted them to an ABF where they were provided shelter and services. But don't let facts stand in the way of a lie you two (not 'to' or 'too') believe.

Maybe Hanlon was right.

[JustTK]

Once again it's amazing you cannot provide an opinion and support it, yet you ask other BMs to provide, what you cannot.

WTF are you talking about? I have given you plenty of support. Bcos I asked you to do some research and read instead of writing it here, you think it is not valid? You think anyone here invented their own economic or political theory? So you do not credit anyone's opinion here bcos they didn't invent it themselves? What type of world do you live in UFM.

[MarquisdeSade1]

You and a few others here used to love to post poll numbers just a few months ago. You know, "How low can he go? Jajaja" and all that.

Don't worry. The Repub Party is stationing all the election-denying QAnon loons they can scrape off the underside of rocks wherever necessary at the state and local level to make sure the election-denying Repub candidates on the ballots "win" no matter what the polls show or what the legitimate vote count is. As they wish they had done in 2020.

I'm guessing most people with even the tiniest shred of intellectual honesty (ok maybe not you LOL) will agree many polls are paid by politicians and / or partisan media outlets to overtly manipulate the expectations of the electorate, that said there are fake polls and there are FAKE polls, not all fake polls are equal.

They can't lie all the time or even the dumbest of the dum dums (see this thread) wouldn't even believe them.

So I'm guessing they are bit more accurate between elections when they can do their least evil.

That said they go extra heavy on the deceit the closer an election gets, they churn out more and more polls in an effort to manipulate voters in their direction.

Even if they can only steer 1% in their direction they will feel that it was worth it.

[Spidy]

Yep, read those books. Then you will understand my opinion ...

ergo, binary thinking again - ergo, spider.

What, just so I can come up with NO opinions of my own, like you. That's a hard pass!!! Nice case study you present, as someone that "stands for nothing and falls for everything".

Ergo be the next bothsidesist with no opinions of their own, ergo spout QAnon/Repub/Bothsidesist dogma, ergo justt KKK!!.

Once again it's amazing you cannot provide an opinion and support it, yet you ask other BMs to provide, what you cannot.

From my point of view. Your question was irrelevant.

I asked you a question. You can refuse to answer it if you like, but this is sposed to be an opinion board. You shared your opinion, and I asked you a question on it. Why share your opinion if you are not going to support it? ...

No wonder another BM, rightly so, called your question(s) irrelevant. Kudos to him, as he was very much correct in his assessment of your question(s).

[JustTK]

When neo-liberalism was alive and well. The Other 9-11. Conveniently overlooked by the criminals that rule the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L5mMTO_J3Y

But the USA still never stops runing the lives of the others so they can make money for the wealthy.

[Canada]

Martha's Vineyard is to democrat to accept illegals. Within 48 hours of the illegals arriving the military was called to bus and ferry the illegals of the island. Illegals are welcome by democrats but just not in their neighborhoods. Hypocrisy and racist at its finest. Hopefully Texas will send thousands more to Martha's Vineyard so they can keep showing the world the hypocrisy of the left.

Yes you are right. Sanctuary city but they had the National Guard kick the illegals off the island. Those are your compassionate democrats. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[PVMonger]

Martha's Vineyard is to democrat to accept illegals. Within 48 hours of the illegals arriving the military was called to bus and ferry the illegals of the island. Illegals are welcome by democrats but just not in their neighborhoods. Hypocrisy and racist at its finest. Hopefully Texas will send thousands more to Martha's Vineyard so they can keep showing the world the hypocrisy of the left.

First off, the word you want is "too", with two (2) o's. There are three words in English that sound the same but are spelled differently and mean different things. Those words are 'to', 'too' and 'two'. Most people learn the difference by the third grade. Most people also know to proofread what they write and not rely on spellcheck. Evidently you missed class those years.

Second, what you wrote it classic rightwingnut media spin. You will call the following article "fake news" because of the source: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/16/p...tis/index.html You will also call the next articles "fake news" because it didn't come from the only news sources you believe, which are rightwingnut media or Q-Anon or straight from the asshole of Donnie the Dumbass: https://www.mvtimes.com/2022/09/16/m...ees-will-move/ and https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...e-cod-00057247 and https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tary-base.html and hundreds more.

[Cali Guy]

Bubba kicked ass in his second term. But only because he worked with Newt Gingrich and likeminded Republicans. Together they balanced the budget, promoted free trade, reformed the welfare system, and cut the capital gains tax. And he stayed out of wars.

100% correct.

[JustTK]

Can I get YOUR opinion on neoliberalism? .

Yep, read those books. Then you will understand my opinion. I agree w the author. I am not going to rewrite a text book for you.

You asked "provide support your opinion/argument." I did. I gave you plenty of references.

Bothsiderism - ergo, there are only 2 sides - ergo, "ur either with us or against us" neo-lib thinking - > ergo, binary thinking again - ergo, spider.

[Spidy]

I'm confused. I'm a classical liberal. I think you may be confusing neoliberalism with classical liberalism. If so, please don't. It's insulting. ...

Sorry, after reading JustTK's post, I don't really understand what this is all about ...

Hmmmm.....It's interesting to note that, the fact that you mistook neoliberialism for some form of imagined classical liberalism, does make me wonder about your US socio-eco-political understanding of things.

Not to be insulting, but it's always good to look before you leap, especially when trying to come to the aid of JustTK.

Anywho, you did apologize, so benefit of the doubt and all that...carry on!

[Spidy]

I admire your patience and I read your comments with interest. But you're really wasting your time on these two. They are like Born Again Christians. ...

Now who sounds like a broken record, lost, trapped, in your never ending, repeating the same chorus line, feeding off the same QAnon/Repub propaganda, that masks itself as "bothsidesism".

You just repeat that same ole QAnon/Repub dogma to support your so called "bothsidesism". Sad indeed!

To their credit many of your QAnon/Repub cohorts at the very least provide some form of evidence / data (minus the "cut-and-paste" artists), to support their claims/opinions.

Since you "admire" them so much, you would do well to follow their example and support your claims/opinions when you post, much like when you ask it of other BMs.

Again noted here:

I asked you a question. You can refuse to answer it if you like, but this is sposed to be an opinion board. You shared your opinion, and I asked you a question on it.

Why share your opinion if you are not going to support it? ...

But like most QAnon/Rebup/Bothsidesists, it's rare (if at all), that you hold yourselves accountable for much these days.

[Spidy]

I have no idea what bothsideriem says about anything. Your binary brain taking over again I spose. I appreciate it must be difficult for you, and I won't hold you to blame since I don't beleive in free will anyway. ...

You ask me to provide support to my opinion that we are in the End Times of Capitalism. Well, you can find many excellent books full of evidence on the subject. It is well documented and not something I can sum up in a post on a forum here. ...

Sorry but I don't see your opinion on the subject matter anywhere in that diatribe you provided. Which is not surprising, given your "bothersidesism".

The question was, "Do you think we are witnessing the collapse of neoliberalism?" not what "Joe Author" thinks.

The "Joe Author" reference material is much appreciated, but you still have not told me what you think w/r to the question, followed by the reference material affirming your claims/opinions.

I understand, thinking for yourself, might actually mean standing up for something, but really, it not that hard if your have the courage of your convictions?

I'm beginning to think you don't actually think for yourself much.

[EihTooms]

OK, you're right. Hillary Clinton won by a lot more than a c**t hair. I'm not going to argue with Nate Silver.

Bernie Sanders would have beat Trump like a drum in 2016 if you believe the polls. I have to give Democrats credit for picking the sane candidate, Hillary, even though she carried a lot of baggage. I have at least two friends whose political views are spot on with yours, who voted for Trump in 2016 because they hated Hillary.

As you requested, here's a link to something along the lines of reports, charts, data, etc that substantiate my claim.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

Thanks for the link. Yes, Bernie's poll numbers vs Trump circa April, May and June 2016 when they stopped polling for him were very good.

But so were Hillary's.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...nton-5491.html#polls.

There were plenty of Hillary advantages in the double digits at that time. Then, as usual, the polls tighten as each side pitches their pros and cons of the other.

Surely you don't think that consensus of polls' 10 point advantage for Bernie would have held or expanded all while Trump, Miller and Bannon were tapping into their warehouse of anti Semitic, anti Socialist, Ageist attack tools over the next several months, do you?

That warehouse is likely better stocked than their anti Woman, anti Clinton warehouse.

[EihTooms]

If you have a Bloomberg terminal, you can check my numbers in about 5 minutes. If not, you should be able to in under 45 minutes, with Google and web pages you can link to. Be sure you're looking at year on year numbers and not month on month numbers. Have at it.

Btw Tooms, since you posted a similar statement in reply to my post about oil and gas, and since I actually know a good bit about that, I think you should start posting links to justify all your observations about Bangkok working girls in the relevant threads.

No, I'm not going to do your work for you. "Look it up" is not even substantiation for your conclusions about the data you cite. There might be tons more data on, say, Bloomberg, that tweaks and clarifies a reasonable conclusion that turns out to refute yours. There are usually articles and reports written by staffers and contributors for sources like Bloomberg based on all the data compiled without requiring every subscriber to dig in deep and come to limited conclusions about it.

And they are never shy about slamming Dems or Biden where the data justifies it. Then you will see the info in those articles repeated elsewhere, in sources that rarely require a subscription.

[EihTooms]

Bubba kicked ass in his second term. But only because he worked with Newt Gingrich and likeminded Republicans. Together they balanced the budget, promoted free trade, reformed the welfare system, and cut the capital gains tax. And he stayed out of wars.

Few POTUSes and Congresses fought and were at opposite ends of agenda than Clinton and Newt Gingrich's fiasco House / Congress.

You do remember Gingrich's repeatedly failed Repub agenda was thwarted so often by Clinton and his far superior Dem agenda that he shut down the government, right? Twice. Clinton won and his agenda prevailed every time. Thank god.

The historically successful Clinton / Dem economy was already on its upward trajectory by mid 1994, long before Repubs took control of Congress. Thank god again.

After that, the only thing Repubs did was sniff around Clinton's balls and dick to find out where they'd been until Gingrich was kick out of office in humiliation.

LOL. The revisionist history about these things by Repubs and Repub Bothsiders is astonishing.