American Politics

[Houston Player]

You and every other fascist who posts here were singing the praises of the former guy and Operation Dork Speed when the vaccines first came out. "Nobody else could have done that", you said. "Vaccines take 10+ years to develop and our orange hero did it in less than a year" you said. "The vaccines prove he's a miracle worker", you said.

Fast forward 18 months and you fascists are saying "The vaccines are worthless".

Exactly who is changing their position? The former guy and Operation Dork Speed either did a good job or they didn't.

Well to set the record straight I'm no fascist and I don't support fascism. I also never said or posted any of the bullshit you are saying that I posted. I may have benefited in my life from white privilege but that doesn't make me a fascist.

I almost never post in this thread because most who post here are way past considering any intelligent conversation about what the real issues are and the best ways to solve them. They just want to bash and complain about the other side.

[EihTooms]

Yes, I do. You see, once you've had the measles virus, or the rubella virus, you don't get measles or rubella. See how that works?

None of the acreage of turgid wordsludge you just typed can alter the fact that as I have already shown, the so-called "covid vaccine" doesn't do that.

It may offer some limited protection from the worst effects for a couple of months, but even that wears off quickly. As opposed to the measles, or yellow fever, or any other actual vaccine, where you take it once and you're fully protected for life.
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Shocker! Some people who have been vaccinated against measles and chicken pox STILL get measles and chicken pox!

Measles Cases and Outbreaks:
CDC updates this page weekly
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html

Measles cases in 2019
From January 1 to December 31, 2019, 1,282* individual cases of measles were confirmed in 31 states.
This is the greatest number of cases reported in the U.S. since 1992. The majority of cases were among people who were not vaccinated against measles. Measles is more likely to spread and cause outbreaks in U.S. communities where groups of people are unvaccinated.

You see the word "majority", right there? That means "the greater number" (but not "all").

Chickenpox (Varicella) Vaccination
https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/vaccination.html

Chickenpox is a highly contagious disease caused by the varicella-zoster virus (VZV). It can cause an itchy, blister-like rash.

Two doses of the chickenpox vaccine is more than 90% effective at preventing chickenpox. When you get vaccinated, you protect yourself and others in your family and community. This protection is especially important for people who cannot get vaccinated, such as those with a weakened immune system (bodys lowered ability to fight germs and sickness), or pregnant women.

Some people who are vaccinated against chickenpox may still get the disease. However, the symptoms are usually milder with fewer or no blisters (they may have just red spots) and mild or no fever. The risk of getting chickenpox after two doses of chickenpox vaccine is lower than after only one dose of chickenpox vaccine. Talk with your healthcare provider if you have questions about chickenpox vaccine.

By golly, we can truthfully say the exact same things about the Trump's Pandemic COVID-19 vaccines that Biden has made easily available for free to every American over the past 9 months, can't we?

Seriously, take a step back and look objectively at what you just said: "Wouldn't you expect there to be a greater spread of any virus after more people are vaccinated".

If there were a greater spread of measles after the measles vaccine was introduced, or a greater spread of yellow fever after the yellow fever virus was introduced, or a great spread of smallpox after the smallpox vaccine was introduced, doncha think someone might just have, um, said something?

But of course those vaccines were developed in the days in which we lived in reality.

Nowadays a man can put on a wig and he's "a woman"; Hunter Biden can take kickbacks from China and Ukraine with "10% for the big guy" and nothing happens; pallots of hundreds of thousands of ballots 98% for Biden can show up in democrat cities at 4 am on election night when he's way behind; Ilhan Omar can marry her brother in an immigration scam and she's a stunning, brave hero.

So it's no surprise that in modern day Emperor's New Clothes clownworld, the fake media and its brainwashed acolytes pretend that a "vaccine" (actually untested gene therapy) "works" when it actually causes a greater spread of the virus it's supposed to be stopping.

Regarding the earlier measles, chicken pox, etc. vaccines and cases, you're talking about a time pre-Rush Limbaugh, pre-FUX News, pre-Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, pre-Newsmax, pre-Sarah Palin, pre-Donald Trump and so on. Back when people who found out there was such a thing as a measles and chicken pox vaccine quickly stood in line to take it without a huge "mainstream media" push to con them into thinking they were doing the wrong thing for themselves and their kids to both practice the known mitigation measures against infection and take the vaccine.

The same forces that convinced you of the other hogwash in your post.

[PVMonger]

His hypocrisy is so egregious he simply has cognitive dissonance.

But this is a deeper issue than Trump, Biden or any other individual.

This entire covid scam is part of a movement by a tiny but very powerful group of people to reduce the living standards and freedom of the average American to those of the average peasant in some third world shithole.

Millions of small business owners and middle class workers have already had their business, jobs and lives destroyed by the state. While they are pushed into poverty, the business goes to Amazon or big chain restaurants. Now we are seeing millions more under threat of firing because they refuse to be forcibly injected with untested gene therapy that they neither want nor need.

Even if the "vaccine" worked (which it doesn't) it is still a question of free choice. Are homosexual sodomites refused HIV treatment or employment because they voluntarily engaged in unsafe behaviour? Are smokers refused treatment for lung and heart disease because they chose to smoke? Of course not, and it would be illegal for anyone to attempt to do so.

So while the wealth and income of regular middle class Americans is being stripped away and given to the elites, and attempts are being made to disarm us in violation of 2 A, the unnecessary vaccine that doesn't work is being used as an excuse to get everyone onto a control grid.

They want us all on "vaccine passports", whereby they can monitor and control our every movement. Not that we will be able to move much, as most middle class Americans will have lost their jobs, and working class Americans will be undercut by Mexican illegals, so we won't have the funds to go anywhere..

Here it is, folks! Every whacko COVID conspiracy theory all in one place. No need to spend hours sifting through lots of rightwingnut websites to find the conspiracy-theory-of-the-day.

This guy needs to have his tinfoil hat adjusted.

[PVMonger]

That is a factual statement. Thousands of Americans "vaccinated" against covid have died of covid.

Could you tell us how many Americans vaccinated against measles have died of measles?

Thanks for playing a completely different game.

By the way, how many measles deaths per year occurred in the USA before the vaccine? I'll bet you don't know, do you?

Less than 600 every year out of 3-4 million cases every year. https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html.

But I digress. Were those measles deaths "of measles" or "with measles"?

[SouthEaster]

"I'm reaching out to those across the political divide here. " This has got to be the winner for funniest (or most deluded) post of the year.

[PVMonger]

Yes, I do. You see, once you've had the measles virus, or the rubella virus, you don't get measles or rubella. See how that works?

None of the acreage of turgid wordsludge you just typed can alter the fact that as I have already shown, the so-called "covid vaccine" doesn't do that.

It may offer some limited protection from the worst effects for a couple of months, but even that wears off quickly. As opposed to the measles, or yellow fever, or any other actual vaccine, where you take it once and you're fully protected for life.

Seriously, take a step back and look objectively at what you just said: "Wouldn't you expect there to be a greater spread of any virus after more people are vaccinated".

If there were a greater spread of measles after the measles vaccine was introduced, or a greater spread of yellow fever after the yellow fever virus was introduced, or a great spread of smallpox after the smallpox vaccine was introduced, doncha think someone might just have, um, said something?

But of course those vaccines were developed in the days in which we lived in reality..

Did you or didn't you praise the former guy for getting vaccines developed so quickly? Don't say that you didn't because I have all of your statements right here as proof.

So, by your own admission, Operation Dork Speed was both a massive failure and a colossal waste of money since the result was a bunch of worthless vaccines. Can you not see that?

In fact, your whole argument on vaccines is rooted in BS. The efficiency of many vaccines fade over time. Maybe you had your head buried in the sand during recent mumps outbreak. I choose to believe actual scientists like the ones quoted here: https://www.science.org/content/arti...-people-longer.

Then, of course, there's your stale, recycled-for-the-thousand-and-first-time cries of "fake news", etc. You really need to get some new material. Maybe other fascists can help with that.

[Chris P]

Here we define "Meaningless, petty concern."

Pelosi is 80 years old. Why doesn't she wear a mask when secretly going to the salon, or hosting a wealthy donor event at her vast mansion (secondary question: how does a government employee get so rich)?

She tells all of us that we should wear masks at all times. And yet she, a woman in the most vulnerable age bracket, doesn't bother to wear one when she thinks nobody is looking.

What does she know that she isn't telling us?

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1

Lugenpresse? Seriously? Every time I post something with a link that isn't NYT or MSNBC the fools on the left that wouldn't dare attack the substance of the article rather.

They try to attack and discredit the source ala Newsmax Fox or anything that doesn't agree with their retarded agenda aka lugenpresse.


Evidently you have no clue as to the meaning of "lgenpresse". Look it up. (Hint: lgenpresse was the former guy's favorite term).

He knows exactly what lugenpresse means, and was correctly making the point that you regularly attack media you don't like (Fox, Newsmax, NY Post etc) as lugenpresse while hypocritically screeching about others pointing out errors and lies in your preferred leftist fake news sources.

Not too quick on the uptake, are ya.

[Chris P]

Carlson honed in on the fact that the former secretary of state died despite being fully vaccinated against Covid, saying "that fact does not make his death any less sad nor is it unusual. Many thousands of vaccinated Americans have died of Covid."

That is a factual statement. Thousands of Americans "vaccinated" against covid have died of covid.

Could you tell us how many Americans vaccinated against measles have died of measles?

[Chris P]

I guess that's why dumbass Biden is making them mandatory because they don't work. I don't mind you picking a side but you can't have it both ways. Condemn Trump but praise Biden for the same vaccines.

His hypocrisy is so egregious he simply has cognitive dissonance.

But this is a deeper issue than Trump, Biden or any other individual.

This entire covid scam is part of a movement by a tiny but very powerful group of people to reduce the living standards and freedom of the average American to those of the average peasant in some third world shithole.

Millions of small business owners and middle class workers have already had their business, jobs and lives destroyed by the state. While they are pushed into poverty, the business goes to Amazon or big chain restaurants. Now we are seeing millions more under threat of firing because they refuse to be forcibly injected with untested gene therapy that they neither want nor need.

Even if the "vaccine" worked (which it doesn't) it is still a question of free choice. Are homosexual sodomites refused HIV treatment or employment because they voluntarily engaged in unsafe behaviour? Are smokers refused treatment for lung and heart disease because they chose to smoke? Of course not, and it would be illegal for anyone to attempt to do so.

So while the wealth and income of regular middle class Americans is being stripped away and given to the elites, and attempts are being made to disarm us in violation of 2 A, the unnecessary vaccine that doesn't work is being used as an excuse to get everyone onto a control grid.

They want us all on "vaccine passports", whereby they can monitor and control our every movement. Not that we will be able to move much, as most middle class Americans will have lost their jobs, and working class Americans will be undercut by Mexican illegals, so we won't have the funds to go anywhere.

All of this fits in perfectly with the so-called "climate change" scam, whereby it will become harder and harder to fly internationally. For "climate change" and "covid" reasons officially. In reality because they don't want the serfs leaving their land, as was the case 1000 years ago.

For mongers on an international sex tourism board, that should be of primary concern. Forget Trump, Biden, ballots, whatever else. These people want to sentence us to life in sexprison USA, where women hold all the cards and can have you imprisoned for "are-a-p-e" if, ten years after having sex, she decides she didn't like you. They did that to Harvey Weinstein who was defended by the best lawyers in the country; you better believe they can do it you.

I'm reaching out to those across the political divide here. If this democrat-covid-fakenews-climate hoax stuff keeps going much longer, our hobby will be over. That at least should make you all pause.

[Chris P]

You obviously haven't got the slightest clue how a vaccine for China's Pandemic virus or any other virus works.

Yes, I do. You see, once you've had the measles virus, or the rubella virus, you don't get measles or rubella. See how that works?

None of the acreage of turgid wordsludge you just typed can alter the fact that as I have already shown, the so-called "covid vaccine" doesn't do that.

It may offer some limited protection from the worst effects for a couple of months, but even that wears off quickly. As opposed to the measles, or yellow fever, or any other actual vaccine, where you take it once and you're fully protected for life.

Seriously, take a step back and look objectively at what you just said: "Wouldn't you expect there to be a greater spread of any virus after more people are vaccinated".

If there were a greater spread of measles after the measles vaccine was introduced, or a greater spread of yellow fever after the yellow fever virus was introduced, or a great spread of smallpox after the smallpox vaccine was introduced, doncha think someone might just have, um, said something?

But of course those vaccines were developed in the days in which we lived in reality.

Nowadays a man can put on a wig and he's "a woman"; Hunter Biden can take kickbacks from China and Ukraine with "10% for the big guy" and nothing happens; pallots of hundreds of thousands of ballots 98% for Biden can show up in democrat cities at 4 am on election night when he's way behind; Ilhan Omar can marry her brother in an immigration scam and she's a stunning, brave hero.

So it's no surprise that in modern day Emperor's New Clothes clownworld, the fake media and its brainwashed acolytes pretend that a "vaccine" (actually untested gene therapy) "works" when it actually causes a greater spread of the virus it's supposed to be stopping.

[PVMonger]

I guess that's why dumbass Biden is making them mandatory because they don't work. I don't mind you picking a side but you can't have it both ways. Condemn Trump but praise Biden for the same vaccines.

You and every other fascist who posts here were singing the praises of the former guy and Operation Dork Speed when the vaccines first came out. "Nobody else could have done that", you said. "Vaccines take 10+ years to develop and our orange hero did it in less than a year" you said. "The vaccines prove he's a miracle worker", you said.

Fast forward 18 months and you fascists are saying "The vaccines are worthless".

Exactly who is changing their position? The former guy and Operation Dork Speed either did a good job or they didn't.

[ScatManDoo]

I'm pretty sure PVM was lampooning CP's praise of Trump vs his denigrating of Biden. I believe it was CP who falsely equated the fading of preventing infection over time with the concept of fading prevention of serious illness or death, which the current vaccines show little or no signs of doing, in order to falsely claim the vaccines don't work.

Houston Player is just a rookie.

[EihTooms]

I guess that's why dumbass Biden is making them mandatory because they don't work. I don't mind you picking a side but you can't have it both ways. Condemn Trump but praise Biden for the same vaccines.

I'm pretty sure PVM was lampooning CP's praise of Trump vs his denigrating of Biden. I believe it was CP who falsely equated the fading of preventing infection over time with the concept of fading prevention of serious illness or death, which the current vaccines show little or no signs of doing, in order to falsely claim the vaccines don't work.

There is a huge difference between preventing "infection" (as I explained in my previous post), which many vaccines don't do very well, and preventing "serious illness or death", which so far the vaccines Biden made easily available for free to every American continue to do very well over time:

Vaccines show declining effectiveness against infection overall but strong protection against hospitalization amid delta variant.
Results from a trio of studies, published in the CDCs weekly report, motivated the Biden administration to consider booster shots
Aug. 18,2021.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...effectiveness/

Three studies published Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that protection against the coronavirus given by vaccines declined in the midsummer months when the more contagious delta variant rose to dominance in the United States.

At the same time, protection against hospitalization was strong for weeks after vaccination, indicating the shots will generate immune fighters that stave off the worst effects of the virus and its current variations.
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Examining numerous cohorts through the end of July and early August, three points are now very clear, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said at a White House covid-19 news briefing Wednesday. First, vaccine-induced protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection begins to decrease over time. Second, vaccine effectiveness against severe disease, hospitalization and death remains relatively high. And third, vaccine effectiveness is generally decreased against the delta variant.
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The third report, an analysis of patients at 21 hospitals in 18 states, found sustained protection against hospitalization. Effectiveness was steady at 86 percent, even in the midsummer months when delta outcompeted other variants of concern. For adults who do not have compromised immune systems, that effectiveness stood at 90 percent.

Covid vaccines remain stunningly effective, even as delta concerns grow
Sept. 1, 2021
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/01/are-covid-vaccines-becoming-less-effective-.html

Covid-19 vaccines are still stunningly effective despite fears that immunity may dwindle over time, experts have said.

There have been some concerns about the efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines after a number of recent studies indicated a growing number of breakthrough Covid cases among the fully vaccinated.

Studies have shown that the fully vaccinated are still highly protected against severe infection, hospitalization and death caused by the virus.

Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines so far significantly reduce severe illness and hospitalization
By Reuters Fact Check, Aug. 6, 2021
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-reduce-idUSL1N2PC2O9

In the U.S., unvaccinated people represent nearly 97% of severe cases, according to the White House COVID-19 Response Team (here).

[Houston Player]

Thank you for admitting that Operation Dork Speed produced worthless vaccines. Who was President when Operation Dork Speed was conceived? Do you blame him for this mess?

I guess that's why dumbass Biden is making them mandatory because they don't work. I don't mind you picking a side but you can't have it both ways. Condemn Trump but praise Biden for the same vaccines.