American Politics

[Elvis 2008]

So I read the stupid article you linked before, and it is written in August 2021.

The NIH did not fund "gain of function" research. https://www.bbc.com/news/57932699.

And it is classic government bullshit. What does of gain of function mean? And we have this panel of experts who says that the NIH funding does not meet the definition of gain of function. This is what you dumb Dems do all the time. It is the famous Clinton line on what your definition of is is.

You do not listen to Jimmy Dore. In fact, some fool just waved his hand and said, "You know, Jimmy Dore is not that great of a source" as if Jimmy Dore is not quoting other things.

In this case, he was referencing this headline in Vanity Fair. This was written four months after the BBC one you linked. The headline reads, In Major Shift, NIH Admits Funding Risky Virus Research in Wuhan.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021...earch-in-wuhan

So you are and were completely wrong and now the question is WTF do we do with you? It would be easy if you just admitted you were wrong, but you never do that. It is "never mind" and off to the next topic. The government releases a narrative and you dumb Dems totally buy in and do so even after the government changes its mind.

You cannot admit Rand Paul was right about this and Fauci was lying. Why? Why do you guys have such a vested interest in going against EVERYTHING Rand Paul says or does? If a Democrat is right or doing something virtuous, I can say it.

But no matter. Donnie the Dumbass, as has been pointed out multiple times, pulled US medical professionals out of China so that we had no warning.

So the actual people who created the virus, the supposedly apolitical bureaucrats, who funded them are off the hook. Why? Why are you so angry at Trump and not the assholes who created the fucking virus?

TOf course, every RethugliKKKan moron (who has said that the vaccines are useless) won't admit who was in charge when the vaccines were developed. If anybody is to blame, it is that guy. You know, the one who takes all of the credit for the vaccine. Why, RethugliKKKans, do you not blame Donnie the Dumbass for the useless vaccine? Why? Huh?

Because Trump did not mandate the vaccines. Because Trump did not drape himself up as a "scientist" and proclaim he was all knowing like Fauci. Trump did not say this was a "pandemic of the unvaccinated". I do not know any Republican who was against people electing to get the vaccine. Being forced to do it was something else.

As for real scientists, I will remind you that, The Great Barrington Declaration was authored by Sunetra Gupta of the University of Oxford, Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University, and Martin Kulldorff of Harvard University, it was drafted at the American Institute for Economic Research in Great Barrington, Massachusetts, signed there on 4 October 2020, and published on 5 October.

The declaration says that lockdowns have adverse effects on physical and mental health, for example, because people postpone preventive healthcare.

The authors say that, instead of protecting everyone, the focus should instead be on "shielding" those most at risk, with few mandatory restrictions placed on the remainder of the population.

Yes, these are scientists concerned with how the government was acting, and the government "scientists", Frances Collins and Fauci, used government emails and told them to take these people down. Hell, the Biden administration asked Twitter to censor a user who named himself Fake Fauci.

Political takedowns are not science. Censorship is not science. And worst of all, Fauci is now lying and saying he was not in favor of lockdowns or shutting down schools.

There should be common ground in saying we do not want our tax dollars to be used to fund the creation of a super virus that killed millions and did trillions of dollars of damage. There should be common ground in saying which scientists were right and which ones were wrong. Why can you not say even that? The only thing I can guess is because it gets in the way of the narrative that the pandemic was all Trump's fault.

Implicit in these discussions just like with Trump and the FBI is that government bureaucrats are on your side. The FBI is great. The NIH is awesome. Isn't the only reason you think that is because you think that they are on your side? And if they are, then we Republicans should not be spending our tax dollars on them.

If you cannot even admit that tax dollars being spent on the creation of a super virus was bad, then we need to split the country in half. WTF else are we supposed to do with you people?

[Spidy]

That question. Is like if I were to ask you - "which would you prefer me to do, rape your daughter or rape your wife?

Raping women, is where you mind goes w/r to anwsering question between Dems and Repubs? Really?

How does your raping women analogy, get you closer to your,

"Freedom of movement, no borders. Now imagine that you remove the federal government and you decentralise the decision making back to county level, or even lower. That's pretty much what I want for the entire world."???

Anywho, carry on, with your Bothsiderism.

Hopefully, many of your QAnon/Repubs cohorts, will follow suit and NOT VOTE (or vote independent) and continue to IGNORE the QAnon/Repub party, that remains the greater evil to a better democracy.

[PVMonger]

You are correct on one thing. Under Biden energy policy has has gone up 500%. Oil has gone up 100%. Great job Brandon.

The OP asked if the price if wind and sunlight has gone up. You didn't answer the question but, then again, you never do.

FYI, yesterday, the price of Brent crude was $93.02. When President Biden took office, the price of Brent Crude was $55.66. When I went to school, $55.66 times 2 is far higher than $93.02. But MAGAt math is different, I guess. Gee, you lied again.

Typical.

[Cali Guy]

The price of gas has gone up 500%, how much has the price of sunlight and wind gone up? The reason electricity prices have not gone up nearly as much as fossil fuel prices is that it is not cost any more to generate electricity from renewables which has helped keep prices lower. No wonder Europe is doubling down on building even more renewable power.

Please provide proof of your statement that renewables help keep prices lower. Every report I see shows renewable energy increasing prices. Estimates show going to 50% renewable energy will increase electricity prices by at least 50% . Europe is increasing coal fired power at this moment. California has decided to not shut down another nuclear power plant along with 2 more natural gas power plants that were slated for closure July 15,2022. Reliable renewable energy is not here yet. It is decades away. Now the environmentalists in California don't like the idea that our beaches are going to have thousands of windmills. Won't those windmills create a great sunset. Only positive outcome of the windmills is that they will kill every seagull in CA.

[PVMonger]

If they were "constantly getting conflicting information" why did they make these statements as facts? That merely proves my point.

If I were to protest outside his house then I would have to go to the USA, smthg I would never do, and I don't even think I am currently allowed to do. Does one still need a vax to enter??

So here's what you say you want from the experts:

Reporter: "So, Dr. , Fauci, how does this virus spread"?

Dr. Fauci: "We don't have a fucking clue. Maybe by touch, maybe somehow else. ".

Reporter: "Dr. Fauci, do masks work"?

Dr. Fauci: "We don't have a fucking clue. But it all depends on how the virus spreads and we don't know anything about that".

Reporter: "What about tRUMP's 'bright light' theory"?

Dr. Fauci: "If shoving a lightbulbs up your ass floats your boat, do it. But you might want to be careful trying to sit down".

Reporter: "What about alternative treratments. ".

Dr. Fauci: "Alternative treatments? Like massage? Like what? Who knows about alternative treatments. Maybe some work but maybe they don't. ".

[Cali Guy]

And exactly where in his post did the OP mention that Putin shut off electricity? Or even mention electricity at all?

I wrote: Several countries in Europe raised their electric prices to consumers by 25% last week because of renewable energy disasters. Europe has decided to restart a significant amount of their coal fired power plants to try to get back to reliable and cost effective electricity. And you replied Putin was to blame for Europe electric energy. Is he to blame for electricity to go up 25% or not?

[Canada]

You are drawing conclusions that are not supported by the data. The fact that the Dems have a better historic record than the Reps on the economy does not mean:

- that the modern Dems have good econimic polcies.

- that the modern Dems have a better record on any single policy (rather, they have a better record in aggregate).

- that they Dems do a good job (rather, that they have done a better job than the Reps).

- that the Dems have a good track record on non-economy policy, such as international policy.

2 examples to support my point -.

1. USA support of regime change / military actions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._regime_change

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...ary_operations

You can clearly see that it really doesn't matter who is in charge. The polciy is always the same. Lets make war to make us rich.

2. Income inequality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income..._United_States

"The USA Has the highest level of income inequality among its (post-) industrialized peers".

If the Dems were doing such a great job to help the people, then why do we see such an appalling disparity in income?

I could mention lack of public health care, lack of free education. If the Dems were doing a great job, where is it?

Obviously you will just blame the Reps, bcos that's all you do. I see it in every post you make. Its like the Dems are incapable of reversing out anything that the Reps did.

If the Dems were doing such a great job to help the vast majority of the people, they wouldn't be voted out every 8 years by a worse party. We would see staggeringly better economic indicators. Instead we see a slow down sprial of a falling giant, as both parties try to squeeze what's left out of the dying beast.

Past history is irrelevant. Current times show the dems failing the American people. Look at Biden and the current dems last 18 months. Current history shows dems totally inept compared to all administrations in last 40 years.

1. Crime and murders skyrocketing especially in dem run states.

2. Border security at worst level ever with millions of illegals just walking across the border.

3. Highest inflation in 40 years.

4. Natural gas prices up 400-500%.

5. Gas prices and oil prices up over 100%.

6. food prices up 26%.

7. War in Ukraine and possible war in Taiwan with world instability increasing daily.

8. Fentanyl coming across our open borders killing record number of Americans.

9. Cancel culture and wokeness extreme.

10. Disaster in Afghanistan leaving billions of dollars of weapons for the Taliban to use for terror.

11. Most divisive president in USA history.

12. Highest level of human trafficking especially minors across our open border.

13. Interest rates skyrocketing.

14. Retirees 401 K shrinking daily.

15. Recession approaching quickly.

The world is laughing at the USA. They love Biden. They love that fact that Biden is destroying the USA.

[MarquisdeSade1]

The world needs more bus drivers and cops like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TphCi4zH1sk

https://stormer-daily.rw/cops-releas...ut-by-bbg-cop/

For sure that ***** had it coming, but listen – they've all got it coming. The cops could go around decking bitches in their mouths and laying them out with assurance that they've got it coming. Because all women have a straight-up knock-out coming.

I'll tell you what – I love this video.

[ScatManDoo]

If they were "constantly getting conflicting information" why did they make these statements as facts? That merely proves my point.

If I were to protest outside his house then I would have to go to the USA, smthg I would never do, and I don't even think I am currently allowed to do. Does one still need a vax to enter??

You would need all your shots.

You've just proven to the board that there is no valid point for this last stand.

I (we all) saw scores of public statements made by the respected Dr, Fauci.

Like many scientists, he was constantly including in his statements weasel clauses like "to the best of our knowledge" or "As we're finding out with study" and always warning that recommendations could change.

This position that professionals getting better & changing best practices is proof that they were professionally deficient earlier is a stupid position. It garners laughs every time you write it.

[JustTK]

Let me ask you a question, again:

Q. If you absolutely had to choose between Dems or Repubs, with "gun/pistol to your head" (figuratively speaking of course), which of the two (2) parties do you honestly think will get you closer to your "promised land" or utopian unfettered borderless world?

That question. Is like if I were to ask you - "which would you prefer me to do, rape your daughter or rape your wife?

[JustTK]

Oh, yes, I had no idea that "mess" you say we are in from (Repub) time to (Repub) time is only about how we feel and nothing about the "boring" topic of massive job losses, crippling unemployment, the huge income gap between the top 5% and everyone else, etc.

Then I guess the Repubs' results coming from that angle must be just as bad and demonstrably inferior to that of the Dems as the more direct routes such as, you know, tax policy, healthcare legislation, infrastructure legislation, effective trade deals, responsible budget balancing, funding education, funding law enforcement needs, establishing and funding effective national security protections, etc.

You are drawing conclusions that are not supported by the data. The fact that the Dems have a better historic record than the Reps on the economy does not mean:

- that the modern Dems have good econimic polcies.

- that the modern Dems have a better record on any single policy (rather, they have a better record in aggregate).

- that they Dems do a good job (rather, that they have done a better job than the Reps).

- that the Dems have a good track record on non-economy policy, such as international policy.

2 examples to support my point -.

1. USA support of regime change / military actions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._regime_change

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...ary_operations

You can clearly see that it really doesn't matter who is in charge. The polciy is always the same. Lets make war to make us rich.

2. Income inequality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income..._United_States

"The USA Has the highest level of income inequality among its (post-) industrialized peers".

If the Dems were doing such a great job to help the people, then why do we see such an appalling disparity in income?

I could mention lack of public health care, lack of free education. If the Dems were doing a great job, where is it?

Obviously you will just blame the Reps, bcos that's all you do. I see it in every post you make. Its like the Dems are incapable of reversing out anything that the Reps did.

If the Dems were doing such a great job to help the vast majority of the people, they wouldn't be voted out every 8 years by a worse party. We would see staggeringly better economic indicators. Instead we see a slow down sprial of a falling giant, as both parties try to squeeze what's left out of the dying beast.

[Cali Guy]

The price of gas has gone up 500%, how much has the price of sunlight and wind gone up? The reason electricity prices have not gone up nearly as much as fossil fuel prices is that it is not cost any more to generate electricity from renewables which has helped keep prices lower. No wonder Europe is doubling down on building even more renewable power.

You are correct on one thing. Under Biden energy policy has has gone up 500%. Oil has gone up 100%. Great job Brandon.

[Paulie97]

Oh, yes, I had no idea that "mess" you say we are in from (Repub) time to (Repub) time is only about how we feel and nothing about the "boring" topic of massive job losses, crippling unemployment, the huge income gap between the top 5% and everyone else, etc. Not that those results would have anything to do with how people "feel", right?

Then I guess the Repubs' results coming from that angle must be just as bad and demonstrably inferior to that of the Dems as the more direct routes such as, you know, tax policy, healthcare legislation, infrastructure legislation, effective trade deals, responsible budget balancing, funding education, funding law enforcement needs, establishing and funding effective national security protections, etc.

You're right, I have probably underestimated how much damage Repubs have done to America due to how they make us all "feel" rather than primarily from the stuff you can actually quantify, cite and verify in the data and historical results.

Of course, arguing on that basis is pathetically weak compared to basing it on tangible, provable factors. But if it makes you "feel" better, be my guest.

JustTK's game in ISG is far left Chomsky-esque anti-Americanism, IE. The US is hiding in every Bush and is responsible for all the evil in the world. You of course have your Repub / Dem dichotomy going in economic analysis so you are essentially talking past one another. Your only meeting point is that you both want to argue every day including weekends and holidays. Wink.

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022...such-a-threat/

[PVMonger]

Are you saying Putin shut off the electricity too? Putin is oil and gas. He does not raise prices on electricity in Europe.

And exactly where in his post did the OP mention that Putin shut off electricity? Or even mention electricity at all?