American Politics

[EihTooms]

The next thing you know, typically pro Repub Mainstream Media will try to float the hogwash that crashing the economy and grounding auto travel, shutting down factories and businesses due to horrible Repub economic stewardship is a fine way to reduce green house gas emissions by almost 10%!

MSNBC's Morning Joe echoes right-wing talking points ahead of the midterms

https://www.mediamatters.org/morning...ahead-midterms

[Spidy]

Massive right wing media conspiracy, haha! I don't know about cable service where you live, but all I have on the right is Fox. MSNBC on the left is more extreme than Fox, while CNN, also on the left, is in the same league with Fox in terms of level of partisanship. The networks, NBC, ABC and CBS, are somewhat left of center.

I'll give you MSNBC, but the others are definitely, I think more right of center, more often than not.

At the party level, Democrats and Republicans raise about the same amount of money:
https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/...te=&cycle=2022

At the candidate level I believe Democrats raise more, although I don't have a hallowed link to support that.

You conveniently fail to mention all those left wing billionaire campaign donors. Democrats now make greater use of dark money than Republicans:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/29/u...ey-donors.html

Right! Like the one year Dems exceeded Repubs, 2020 was were Trump was ousted. Understandable, this was a one-off and not the norm, as I think Repubs have been the bigger winner in more years, the Dems, IMO.

However, I will say that the more I look at the problem, the more I realize we may never know as long as Repubs keep blocking bills to identify donors with more than $10K in contributions.

But then ask yourself why would they (want a bill to identify donors), when thanks to a right-wing POTUS in 1972, they got exactly what they wanted, ...legalized bribery! Ergo, why Repubs have always benefitted more.

Republicans block bill requiring dark money groups to reveal donors
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...reveal-donors/

On China, here are more hallowed links, related to your belief that China is making great strides in renewable energy:

https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/

https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/usa/

In the last 15 years, USA emissions are down from about 7.4 billion tons per year to 6.3 billion tons in 2021. That's thanks largely to the substitution of natural gas, produced by American oil companies, for coal. The same oil companies that some constituencies of the Democratic Party want to put out of business for their "lies." Meanwhile, China's emissions of GHG's have risen from 8.5 billion tons per year to 13 billion tons per year.

Throw out all the emission red herrings and strawman arguments you want. Knock yourself out, prattling on about emissions in China. That was never my argument.

China leads the world in clean renewable energy.

Which Country Is The World Leader In Renewable Energy In 2021
https://tfetimes.com/which-country-i...nergy-in-2021/

BTW Spidy, I have no idea what a BM is. Bowel movement? Please speak English.

That's a very good guess, but I think we all already know you suffer from constipation. (....kkkk!)

But seriously, it stands for Board Member(s), as in other ISGer(s), or as in another person(s) who posts here, on the forums boards. Is that English clear enough for you?

[Cali Guy]

Republicans and all intelligent people know Biden is the dumbest president ever because Biden is proving it every day. Democrats obviously are too stupid to see the facts and the democrats are counting on the dumbest people in America to continue to vote democrat. History has proven that if you are are stupid, a criminal, an illegal or on government assistance then you are a democrat.

So what is your guess on the dumb socialists who rebuke your posts. Are they criminals, illegals or on government assistance. My guess is that the guys rebuking your accurate posts are on welfare or social security. Have always been a drain on the hard working republicans tax payers.

[Tiny 12]

Finally! Now, please point me to where in your list it states "the Thai Government". I've read the list several times and I couldn't find "the Government" listed anywhere. I couldn't find "the King" listed either.

Just as the Thai government isn't completely responsible for inflation in Thailand (or Thighland as Donnie the Dumbass calls it), President Biden isn't completely responsible for inflation in the USA.

Imports cost more, primarily because of the cost of shipping. Thailand is a big tourist destination but not as big as the USA ($15 BB vs $84 BB). https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...D?locations=TH But the per capita figures show the USA only about 10% higher. As I recall, the Fed didn't raise interest rates much either initially. And, yes, supply chain glitches and shortages are still with us. So all of the factors that you listed are exactly the same for the USA. As they are with almost every other country in the world.

I agree with your first two paragraphs completely. Kudos for not taking Tooms' low road and blaming inflation in Thailand in October, 2022, entirely on Donald Trump. Like Michelle Obama and me, you took the high road.

Your third paragraph contains a few misconceptions and fallacies. The appropriate way to look at tourism as to its effect on the economy of Thailand versus the USA is as a percent of GDP. If your numbers are correct, tourism accounts for 17% of Thailand's GDP and 0.4% of the USA's GDP. For a long while it was much easier traveling to the USA than Thailand. You didn't have to quarantine if you came to the USA.

Prominent Democrat economists Larry Summers and Jason Furman agree that the Democrats' ill conceived $1. 9 trillion American Rescue Plan (ARP) supercharged inflation. From the time that Biden's $1400 per person checks hit peoples' mailboxes, inflation started its steady March upwards in the USA. And yes, inflation in certain European countries now, at this point in time, is comparable to current inflation in the USA. However, it was slower developing in Europe, because Europe didn't have the massive, overdone stimulus in 2021, that we did because of the ARP. Furman says as much on his Twitter feed. The fact that, say, UK inflation is NOW as high as ours doesn't do much for the American workingman. The American is farther behind the eight ball, because of lost purchasing power in 2021 and the first quarter of 2022. For example, at 7/31/2021, YoY CPI inflation was only 2% in the UK. It was 5.4% in the USA.

As Furman put it, according to the Washington Post,

"The USA Fiscal response in 2020 was among the largest in the world. It was comparable to, or slightly smaller than, the responses in a few other countries like Germany and Canada, but roughly the same. The fiscal response in 2021 so far in the United States is massively larger than what any other country has done to date or is currently discussing."

Furman, if you've forgotten, was chairman of Obama's Council of Economic Advisors.

Do a search on my username and "Summers" for similar thoughts expressed by Clinton's Secretary of the Treasury and Obama's Director of the NEC, Larry Summers.

And no, Biden and the Democrats aren't entirely responsible for inflation in the USA. Like Thailand, you can blame central bank policy and supply chain glitches too. Commodity prices were a factor, but thanks in part to the strong dollar, that's not necessarily still the case.

I'd even go so far as to admit the Fed should shoulder more of the blame than Biden for inflation in the USA. It'll be a cold day in hell before Tooms admits something similar about Bernanke and George W. Bush and the 2008/2009 recession.

[PVMonger]

Massive right wing media conspiracy, haha! I don't know about cable service where you live, but all I have on the right is Fox. MSNBC on the left is more extreme than Fox, while CNN, also on the left, is in the same league with Fox in terms of level of partisanship. The networks, NBC, ABC and CBS, are somewhat left of center.

At the party level, Democrats and Republicans raise about the same amount of money:

https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/...te=&cycle=2022

At the candidate level I believe Democrats raise more, although I don't have a hallowed link to support that.

You conveniently fail to mention all those left wing billionaire campaign donors. Democrats now make greater use of dark money than Republicans:.

I know what is satire and what is not. It is you that can't tell the difference.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I think she could make a fine VP for our Lord and Savior.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ocratic-party/

[Tiny 12]

Since this is a political discussion group (located in a Sex Forum), you should by now realize, even those with experience in said fields of industry/business are very often going to get push back, perhaps more so, because of said bias. Also realize, when things become politicized, wrightly or wrongly, is when, even "experience" gets pushed aside.



Again, personally for me, it's not about ME being "right" or YOU being "wrong". More often than not, I have opposing political opinions, views and beliefs and provide them as counterpoints, to your political arguments, most times they may not align, sometimes they do.

Since the right-wing media infrastructure/block, has 1500+ English and 300+ Spanish radio stations across America and of course blanket Nationwide coverage of Fox News
(I am not entirely sure), but a conservative estimate, puts right-wing distribution of propaganda, maybe about 15:1 right vs. left radio stations. As well as a vast right-wing internet and social-media influence, online.

Right-wing PAC, dark money groups, special donors and right-wing billionaires pumping millions/billions into legal political bribery (thanks to a right-wing POTUS 1972) on the right, far out paces anything on the left. The fact that Repubs, are constantly "banging their drums" and messaging through this massive right-wing media block, it's a wonder at all, those of us with an opposing opinions on the left, get heard.

And you think, those on the left, are the ones that are brainwashed, or should I say, "...accept things without critical analysis".



I didn't demand anything. I asked a simply a question. Show me where I disputed China's stance on coal. I primarily highlighted China's impressive march toward more cleaner energy solutions.

As I told another BM:

Sorry I don't believe everything I hear on right-wing media and I didn't go to Trump University.

So unless your calling BMs suckers, I'll continue to ask for references, should I think it's appropriate. And no doubt I'll get the standard QAnon/Repub/Bothsidesist reply of "Google it!" or "Do the research, man!"

So if we DO NOT included links to articles/references, does that mean we are "MORE" believable?


Sure in the short term they should. In the long term not so much. It will be the US, who's caught with its pants down, going forward, if we don't get our act together on cleaner renewables and electrification of the US.

Massive right wing media conspiracy, haha! I don't know about cable service where you live, but all I have on the right is Fox. MSNBC on the left is more extreme than Fox, while CNN, also on the left, is in the same league with Fox in terms of level of partisanship. The networks, NBC, ABC and CBS, are somewhat left of center.

At the party level, Democrats and Republicans raise about the same amount of money:

https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/...te=&cycle=2022

At the candidate level I believe Democrats raise more, although I don't have a hallowed link to support that.

You conveniently fail to mention all those left wing billionaire campaign donors. Democrats now make greater use of dark money than Republicans:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/29/u...ey-donors.html

On China, here are more hallowed links, related to your belief that China is making great strides in renewable energy:

https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/

https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/usa/

In the last 15 years, USA emissions are down from about 7.4 billion tons per year to 6.3 billion tons in 2021. That's thanks largely to the substitution of natural gas, produced by American oil companies, for coal. The same oil companies that some constituencies of the Democratic Party want to put out of business for their "lies." Meanwhile, China's emissions of GHG's have risen from 8.5 billion tons per year to 13 billion tons per year.

Also, Tooms, if you read this, look at the great strides made by President Trump at the end of his term! In the last year of his administration, green house gas emissions fell by almost 10%! If we'd kept that up, emissions would be down to about 1 billion tons by 2040, just 14% of the level fifteen years ago!

Unfortunately Biden and Democrats were elected in 2020. And you know what happens under Democrats. The whole world falls apart. We're in the middle of the Biden Recession. The Biden Inflation is the highest since 1981! And still CO2 emissions are going up! Biden's going to destroy the world as we know it!!

BTW Spidy, I have no idea what a BM is. Bowel movement? Please speak English.

Ass kicking? Really?

Who was the person who commented on the post as if it was real news? Not me. You didn't even know that the site that the OP copied-and-pasted from (without citation I might add) was even satire. If you had, you'd have commented differently. But sure, believe what you want to believe.

PVMonger, since you have a tough time realizing what's satirical and what's real without checking your "sources", I'll save you some time. What I posted above about Trump and Biden is 100% sarcasm, aimed at EhiTooms. The "Trump Pandemic" was Toom's brainchild.

[PVMonger]

What I wrote is original content from my experience in the industry.

EhiTooms, PVMonger and you accept what you read and hear in the left of center media without critical analysis. And you believe that links to pontifications of people who think exactly like you do proves you're right. And you demand we provide links to prove our point. What do you want, a Breitbart for every Intercept? Research papers with footnotes? If you don't know that China's building lots of coal fired power plants, or you don't believe GDP or inflation numbers, then instead of asking for links, do some research.

I'm left shaking my head at some of the requests for links. For example, anyone who knows much about energy knows that China is building coal fired power plants.

But maybe you're right. If I'd provided Tooms a link to the definition of the word "or" in advance of saying that the Labor Force Participation was absolutely, undeniably down under Obama, maybe it would have prevented a misunderstanding.

As to the rest of your post, I already addressed most of your misconceptions so don't see any point in doing it again..

We want sources because without sources anybody's post is mere opinion. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but they are not entitled to their own facts. So if you want to demonstrate you superior knowledge of a subject, provide a source.

What is a source? Any source from the middle should be acceptable. As well as industry-specific publications. https://adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc/.

[PVMonger]

You can blame Thai inflation and the weakness of the THB on the following. Trump was responsible for none of this:

1. Higher prices of imports, petroleum in particular.

2. Fall off in the tourist trade, which along with higher import prices has resulted in a weaker economy and Thailand going from a current account surplus to current account deficit.

3. The Bank of Thailand's reluctance to raise interest rates more aggressively, which has led to sharply negative real interest rates.

4. The strength of the dollar.

5. Shortages and supply chain glitches, attributable in large part to COVID policies of China, Thailand and to a lesser extent other countries..

Finally! Now, please point me to where in your list it states "the Thai Government". I've read the list several times and I couldn't find "the Government" listed anywhere. I couldn't find "the King" listed either.

Just as the Thai government isn't completely responsible for inflation in Thailand (or Thighland as Donnie the Dumbass calls it), President Biden isn't completely responsible for inflation in the USA.

Imports cost more, primarily because of the cost of shipping. Thailand is a big tourist destination but not as big as the USA ($15 BB vs $84 BB). https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...D?locations=TH But the per capita figures show the USA only about 10% higher. As I recall, the Fed didn't raise interest rates much either initially. And, yes, supply chain glitches and shortages are still with us. So all of the factors that you listed are exactly the same for the USA. As they are with almost every other country in the world.

[Spidy]

What I wrote is original content from my experience in the industry.

Since this is a political discussion group (located in a Sex Forum), you should by now realize, even those with experience in said fields of industry/business are very often going to get push back, perhaps more so, because of said bias. Also realize, when things become politicized, wrightly or wrongly, is when, even "experience" gets pushed aside.

EhiTooms, PVMonger and you accept what you read and hear in the left of center media without critical analysis. And you believe that links to pontifications of people who think exactly like you do proves you're right.

Again, personally for me, it's not about ME being "right" or YOU being "wrong". More often than not, I have opposing political opinions, views and beliefs and provide them as counterpoints, to your political arguments, most times they may not align, sometimes they do.

Since the right-wing media infrastructure/block, has 1500+ English and 300+ Spanish radio stations across America and of course blanket Nationwide coverage of Fox News
(I am not entirely sure), but a conservative estimate, puts right-wing distribution of propaganda, maybe about 15:1 right vs. left radio stations. As well as a vast right-wing internet and social-media influence, online.

Right-wing PAC, dark money groups, special donors and right-wing billionaires pumping millions/billions into legal political bribery (thanks to a right-wing POTUS 1972) on the right, far out paces anything on the left. The fact that Repubs, are constantly "banging their drums" and messaging through this massive right-wing media block, it's a wonder at all, those of us with an opposing opinions on the left, get heard.

And you think, those on the left, are the ones that are brainwashed, or should I say, "...accept things without critical analysis".

And you demand we provide links to prove our point. What do you want, a Breitbart for every Intercept? Research papers with footnotes? If you don't know that China's building lots of coal fired power plants, or you don't believe GDP or inflation numbers, then instead of asking for links, do some research.

I didn't demand anything. I asked a simply a question. Show me where I disputed China's stance on coal. I primarily highlighted China's impressive march toward more cleaner energy solutions.

As I told another BM:

... PS: 1. The point of providing "a reference/link" when submitted, is so that the reader of your post may garner new insights into your POV, or your frame of reference, or perhaps read what a more accomplished writer/expert has to say on the matter, that you maybe referencing. ...

Sorry I don't believe everything I hear on right-wing media and I didn't go to Trump University.

"People will just believe you. You just tell them and they believe you"

What Donnie "the devil" J. Dummkopt said about his favorite target suckers.

So unless your calling BMs suckers, I'll continue to ask for references, should I think it's appropriate. And no doubt I'll get the standard QAnon/Repub/Bothsidesist reply of "Google it!" or "Do the research, man!"

So if we DO NOT included links to articles/references, does that mean we are "MORE" believable?

I will say however that your beliefs about what the Russia Ukraine war is teaching us about renewables and energy security is ass backwards. Sorry if that sounds harsh but I dont know a better way to say it. Europeans are scrambling to re-open coal fired power plants and Germany and other countries are rethinking their bans on fracking. ...

Sure in the short term they should. In the long term not so much. It will be the US, who's caught with its pants down, going forward, if we don't get our act together on cleaner renewables and electrification of the US.

[Tiny 12]

If you wanted to bet on Predictit. Org that the Democrats would hold the Senate:

Back in February 2022 through April 2022 the site was giving out 3 for 1 odds.

In other words, to buy a $1 winning "share" the cost was around 25 cents.

Toward the end of July, those shares were costing 50 cents.

By the middle of August, those shares were around 60 cents.

The first two weeks of September had share prices peak in value at 63 cents.

Currently those bets on the site go for 55 cents.

You might find this interesting. How I Turned $400 into $400,000 Trading Political Futures (on predictit.org).

https://luckboxmagazine.com/trends/h...tical-futures/

[Tiny 12]

The economic destruction, closures, massive job losses, supply-chain collapse and the inevitable and unavoidable recovery Inflation due to Trump's Pandemic has even occurred where I live in arguably the best location in one of the top 2 Best Cities in one of the top 3 Best Countries in the World, according to America's international travelers:

Thailand is 3rd Best Country, Bangkok is 2nd Best Big City in the World - Conde Naste Reader's Choice Awards 2022

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business...country-survey

Gas prices here pre-Trump were generally 27-29 baht per litre. Post-Trump they have been 45+ baht per litre. Food prices also increased while portions got noticably smaller. Of course, that has zero to do with Biden and his Dems' historically successful USA recovery from the latest Great Repub Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction.

Even so, Tiny12 inadvertently lurched toward the truth about how my decision many years ago to vote exclusively Democrat, avoid unnecessary, time-consuming gambling in the stock market, intelligently invest for the long term, live, work and set up rental property in California and get my ducks in a row in order to have a more fun, pleasurable and financially advantageous second half where I now live in one of the above ranked "Bests" has paid off quite well for me.

Trump-triggered Inflation has even effected my favorite past time here in one of the top 3 "Bests"; providing nominal financial aid to select local females. Just last night the adorable 21 year old Thong Lo area hotel receptionist who came over for a night of lovely BBFS+CIP asked if she could come over again in 2-3 days for BBBJ+CIM+SWALLOW since she is behind on her rent (due in part to Trump's Pandemic Inflation elsewhere) but will likely be on her period by then. I told her I will think about it and tell her later. These are busy times for me.

That is otherwise known by the Repubs and pro Repub Bothsiders here as "fucking skanks in the shithole" where I have to live.

You can blame Thai inflation and the weakness of the THB on the following. Trump was responsible for none of this:

1. Higher prices of imports, petroleum in particular.

2. Fall off in the tourist trade, which along with higher import prices has resulted in a weaker economy and Thailand going from a current account surplus to current account deficit.

3. The Bank of Thailand's reluctance to raise interest rates more aggressively, which has led to sharply negative real interest rates.

4. The strength of the dollar.

5. Shortages and supply chain glitches, attributable in large part to COVID policies of China, Thailand and to a lesser extent other countries.

I think you should write a book and call it Das Trump. Or Das Republicans. You could blame all the world's problems on Trump and the Republicans. Kind of like Karl Marx did when he wrote Das Kapital and blamed all the world's problems on capitalists.

And PLEASE. If she's on her period don't invite her over. I imagine you're paying at least 3 brown ones for what you could get for under 1000 Baht at the Star of Light.

[EihTooms]

What I wrote is original content from my experience in the industry.

EhiTooms, PVMonger and you accept what you read and hear in the left of center media without critical analysis. And you believe that links to pontifications of people who think exactly like you do proves you're right. And you demand we provide links to prove our point. What do you want, a Breitbart for every Intercept? Research papers with footnotes? If you don't know that China's building lots of coal fired power plants, or you don't believe GDP or inflation numbers, then instead of asking for links, do some research.

I'm left shaking my head at some of the requests for links. For example, anyone who knows much about energy knows that China is building coal fired power plants.

But maybe you're right. If I'd provided Tooms a link to the definition of the word "or" in advance of saying that the Labor Force Participation was absolutely, undeniably down under Obama, maybe it would have prevented a misunderstanding.

As to the rest of your post, I already addressed most of your misconceptions so don't see any point in doing it again. If the critics of the "lies" of oil and gas companies were to abandon cars, plane travel, electricity, and home heating, and go back to horses and buggies, I'd take what they say more seriously. I will say however that your beliefs about what the Russia Ukraine war is teaching us about renewables and energy security is ass backwards. Sorry if that sounds harsh but I dont know a better way to say it. Europeans are scrambling to re-open coal fired power plants and Germany and other countries are rethinking their bans on fracking. The price of coal and LNG have shot through the roof. Progressive Democrats would have us in a similar situation if theyd been able to ban fracking the use of thermal coal wed be looking at a cold winter6 too.

Hang onto the word "or" like a rat on a rafter if you must. Your post tried to untruthfully "suggest" Trump's waste of $2. 5+ Trillion Tax Cut bill turned around the decline in the Labor Force Participation Rate when it most certainly did not.

The dramatic decline in that rate that began and continued all through the previous famous Repub tax cutter GW Bush's presidency was halted and reversed under Obama, not under Trump.

It was "down" for a portion of Obama's presidency only because the downward trajectory he inherited from GW Bush was so dramatic. The same way the downward trajectory for the unemployment rate for 8-9 years before Trump's Tax Cuts bill took effect continued its decline from 3. 9% to 3. 5%, by all reason having little to nothing to do with tax cuts the vast majority of corporation simply used to buy back their own company stocks and did not use to hire more employees. As predictable as night following day when it comes to Repub tax cuts.

Review my previously posted links for Dems at the city and state level increasing the minimum wage and by a meaningful amount, in defiance of Trump and his Repubs' objections and opposition to it, for why the Labor Force Participation Rate increased and unemployment rates for Hispanics, Blacks, Women and minorities in general fell to historic lows during that time period. No amount of private spread sheet ticks, tocks and wiggles you secretly review in your spare time will show those disproportionately beneficial tax cuts for corporations had much of anything to do with it.

The same goes for the steady, near month-over-month decline in inflation that began almost a year before Reagan took office in January 1981. Neither he nor his classic Repub Supply-Side / Trickle-Down policies and abandonment of sensible regulations had a thing to do with it.

[Tiny 12]

Spidy, to clarify, our utilities pay a small fraction of what the Europeans pay for coal and natural gas, and we don't have shortages of either. As a result the Europeans will have a much tougher time this winter than we will.

[ScatManDoo]

Predict. Org, the link, is a betting site. The numbers are determined by people risking their own money. Theoretically it should be more accurate than polls.

If you wanted to bet on Predictit. Org that the Democrats would hold the Senate:

Back in February 2022 through April 2022 the site was giving out 3 for 1 odds.

In other words, to buy a $1 winning "share" the cost was around 25 cents.

Toward the end of July, those shares were costing 50 cents.

By the middle of August, those shares were around 60 cents.

The first two weeks of September had share prices peak in value at 63 cents.

Currently those bets on the site go for 55 cents.