American Politics

[PVMonger]

PVM, I have Spidy on ignore because all he does is name call. When you call someone the devil, you are done IMO because you are calling me and everyone who voted for him, 75 million people, evil, and that means you do not have a functioning brain when it comes to difference of opinion. If you look at the red-blue divide as good versus evil, I am done with you.

Xpartan is so factually challenged I had to put him on ignore. He would challenge my facts and was too lazy to look them up. All you dumb dems attack the source but with him it was to excess, and I got sick of it. I am not debating someone that ignorant. Give me your sources and I will attack them? Nah, fuck you for being so damned lazy. You are on ignore. You are too factually challenged for me to care about your opinion.

Tooms comment about people not owning their own money and the vaccine and Trump finished him for me. His posts are so Dems good, Republicans bad, no one needs to read what he says. Every post is the same. He is like Bagdad Bob in the Iraq war.

So you are it, PVM, the last of the Democratic debaters I have not judged completely whacko. I do not mind and even like to debate different points of view. The name calling though is too much with Trump. He has been out of office for 3 years and this stupid name calling, where you all like try to insult him the hardest, is getting way old. We know you do not like him. Calling him Donnie the dumbass makes me shut off my brain..

Did Donnie the Dumbass (or one of his minions) call Twitter and demand that they remove a tweet that was critical of Donnie the Dumbass? Yes or no?

And if the answer is Yes, why didn't you call out Donnie the Dumbass for his actions?

That's the problem with every rightwingnut I know. When Donnie the Dumbass did the exact same thing that rightwingnuts accuse Dems of doing, all we hear are "crickets". I wonder why that is?

[PVMonger]

Trump Baselessly Claims Coronavirus Will Go Away Without Vaccine

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/tr...thout-vaccine/

Donald Trump says coronavirus will 'go away without a vaccine' - video

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-vaccine-video

'It's going to disappear':
A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020...mment-tracker/

BTW, if Dear Leader was ever perceived by his slavish followers who hang on his every word to be "pro vaccine", why did this happen?

Trump reveals he got COVID-19 booster shot; crowd boos him

https://apnews.com/article/coronavir...f445fe2142e22b

Oh, and why did he do this?

Donald Trump, Melania got COVID-19 vaccine in secret before leaving office

https://globalnews.ca/news/7671671/d...accine-secret/

What was this about?

Trump Admits He Got Vaccine Booster in Secret, Skipping Photo-Op That Could Save Lives.
Donald Trump has declined three times in the past year to try to save the lives of his fans by having himself photographed getting vaccinated against Covid-19.

https://theintercept.com/2021/12/21/...ld-save-lives/

You want to correct me by refuting that that was Trump's repeated message and attitude about there being virtually no reason for anyone to bother inventing a vaccine, much less taking one, and that he didn't even want to admit that he got vaccinated when his doing so would have saved lives?

Ok, you're on. We're all waiting.

What Elvis and the rest of the rightwingnuts will do is yell "FAKE NEWS" at the top of their lungs. Primarily because you posted articles from CNN and factcheck. Org and other (according to them) "fake news" sources. 'Cause if something isn't reported by rightwingnut media then it didn't happen. And they all seem to forget that Donnie the Dumbass told his sheep at a rally to get vaccinated and they boo'ed him.

[Elvis 2008]

Great piece by Vijay Prashad on the CIA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8xsfsHQnQ

For all those ignorant folks that argue socialism never succeeds due to inherent econimc weaknesses, look no further that this short video.

I think the point is being missed. We do not have capitalism today. We have crony capitalism or fascism in the USA. The Bill of Rights has been destroyed, and the irony is that has been the left not the right doing it.

For all the red-blue divide in 2016, I wanted Trump v. Bernie Sanders. If it had been Bernie against Jeb Bush, I would have voted for Bernie, and the reason was Bernie was not bought and paid for by the big corporations. We would have had someone who really represented the people.

Biden is just a stooge, someone who has been in government 50 years skimming off $ while selling influence and everyone knows it. Even though he can barely speak a sentence and has to be fed lines lest he make a fool of himself, the media has been told to treat him with kid gloves, and they have.

I think among the worst decisions the Supreme Court ever made was allowing unlimited financial donations to candidates. Government is supposed to be like an impartial referee that steps in when there are problems. They should operate so well in the background that they are not noticed but now they brag constantly. With the unlimited donations now, you do not have to innovate, work, and get better, you just pay off the ref to declare you the winner.

So yeah, I do think capitalism is the answer but you have to do something to limit the power of the wealthy, you have to do something to protect the innovators, and that is just not being done. Sure, there are some things that should be in the hands of government for the public good, but you are not going to grow the pie with socialism. All the socialist talk IMO is because crony capitalism has taken over true capitalism and the less fortunate have been left out in the cold. They have no voice and no hope.

[Elvis 2008]

You want to correct me by refuting that that was Trump's repeated message and attitude about there being virtually no reason for anyone to bother inventing a vaccine, much less taking one, and that he didn't even want to admit that he got vaccinated when his doing so would have saved lives?

Ok, you're on. We're all waiting.

No, you are waiting with more dumb remarks. The virus mutated into a less potent form like Trump forecast. The vaccine was never proven to save lives although I am sure you can find a few thousand experts who can say that it did. But there is zero data to show that it did and in fact in the only double blind placebo controlled study, the vaccinated group had more deaths than the unvaccinated group.

Finally, we could through all the dumb things Biden said and did with covid like saying if you got vaccinated, you would not get Covid then Biden got vaccinated and got Covid himself. Duh!

Then there were all the dumb Biden mandates for a vaccine that did not prevent Covid transmission and all the stupid mandated Covid tests like when returning from traveling abroad that did nothing.

When Trump did not show himself getting vaccinated, millions died!

When Biden said you will not get Covid if you are vaccinated, not one person was hurt.

So you were caught lying about Trump and the vaccine, and you switched to how stupid Trump was with Covid while mentioning nothing about Biden.

So your point is?

Republicans bad, Democrats good. How original!

And you think you got me? Every fucking post is the same with you. So now you will change the post to a different topic to "burn" me.

Truth is Trump has been out of office for 3 years and you dopes cannot quit him. When are you guys going to shut up about him already?

Tooms, you used to be a source of amusement for me but now you are just boring.

[EihTooms]

Democratic Party policies would take the United States where European welfare states are now. That would result in a 30% drop in median equivalent adult income adjusted for purchasing power if we turned out like Germany, and a 40% drop if we turned out like France. And yeah, that is some sick shit dude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispos..._capita_income

Heres what you need to know about the GOP bill to abolish the tax code.
01/24/23

https://thehill.com/business/3821761...-the-tax-code/

House conservatives are breathing new life into an old proposal to do away with income taxes, payroll taxes, estate taxes and even the IRS itself in favor of a supersized sales tax that would account for nearly all government revenues.
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The Fair Tax Act introduced by Rep. Buddy Carter (R-Ga.) and supported by 30 other Republicans would institute a massive 30 percent sales tax on all purchases in exchange for doing away with income, Social Security and Medicare taxes.
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The plan would increase the tax burden on the middle class
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"Having that high of a rate would actually change behaviors in ways that proponents arent really thinking about. Its going to change behavior in ways that you wouldnt see if you spread out the burden differently, Buhl, of the Tax Policy Center, said.

The proponents of the bill are saying, Hey, were going to abolish the IRS. But I look at it more as theyre actually just outsourcing tax enforcement and compliance to the state level, and so its not going to go away, he said.

[Spidy]

This is a lot like your imaginary correlation between political parties and literacy. Please don't believe everything Democratic Party politicians and MSNBC pundits say. There are just as many examples of Democratic politicians robbing the poor. I could make a case from this that Democratic cities and states are more corrupt:

https://pols.uic.edu/wp-content/uplo...2.Complete.pdf

The top 15 judicial districts with the highest number of federal corruption convictions in 1976 to 2018 were centered in cities that went for Biden, as were 8 of the top 13 states. Does that mean that Democratic politicians are inherently more corrupt than Republicans? I don't necessarily think so. Most of the bastards are corrupt.

As to the first part of your post, I totally disagree. If Democrats would stop trying to create a European welfare state on steroids, and instead confine help to people who actually need it, maybe we'd see more progress.

Likewise, for heaven's sake didn't believe ANYTHING that FUX news tells you. The propaganda they spew, will rot your brains and have you killing your family members (true story).

While corruption is definitely rampant in politics, don't be fooled, the Republicans are masterful at the craft of grifting the system. You only have to look no further than you last president Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf. Even you would vote for him as "dog catcher". To coin a phrase, "the fish rots from the head".

Ranking The States From Most To Least Corrupt
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...least-corrupt/

In this more comprehensive report on corruption, it shows per capita, Louisiana is the most corrupt state, followed by Mississippi.

[Spidy]

...Chris is not going to make me cringe. Yeah, he may be a little overly politically incorrect from time to time. But usually he's just pointing out the truth. If we ignore the truth, in order to blame everything bad on Republicans or Democrats, without recognizing the real problems, how are we going to fix anything? Take for example Chris' excellent post on the Baltimore school system: ...

(...kkkk!) The truth! Yeah Right!

With all due respect, Chris P, may not make you cringe (with his race-baiting and hate speech), but I doubt he'd known the "truth" if were neatly gift wrapped, with a bow on top.

In the case where former Republican Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant and former NFL player Brett Favre, team up to scam and steal welfare aid/funds, I wonder how many low-income families and kids suffered and were denied an education or a lunch program meal that would have benefited their lives. Mississippi is laced with similar examples, of theft from low-income families. How's that for "truth"

[Spidy]

In Chicago, the father of the young man charged with mass-murder at 4th of July parade in Highland Park, killing 7 and wounding 40+, was indicted on 7 counts of reckless conduct.

Highland Park parade shooting suspect's father, Robert Crime Jr ...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rober...b02c25737b5f1c

Now if congress can only do something about the "death dealers" and gun manufacturers making "kiddy friendly" AR-15 style rifles.

[EihTooms]

Democratic Party policies would take the United States where European welfare states are now. That would result in a 30% drop in median equivalent adult income adjusted for purchasing power if we turned out like Germany, and a 40% drop if we turned out like France. And yeah, that is some sick shit dude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispos..._capita_income

But that didn't happen.

What did happen was Repub policies and stewardship led us directly into the half dozen or more Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Job Losses of the past 100 years and none of the historic expansions and job gains while Dem policies and stewardship resulted in the exact opposite.

Welcome to the Real World and not academic theory.

[EihTooms]

Yeah, he posted this stupid shit about Trump being anti-vax (even though he developed the vaccine) and made him out to the be the leader of the anti-vax movement while in actuality Trump was encouraging to get people vaxxed and no one corrected him.

This was probably the greatest insult on TV I had ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Ksoizbl2s

"I feel bad for you. ".

"I do not think about you at all. ".

Everything Tooms does is Republican bad, Democrat good that it is a point of absurdity. It does not matter that Trump spear headed the development of the vaccine. There is nothing any Republican president has ever done that is good in the history of the country. If you point out that Trump developed the vaccine, he will find someone else to give credit for the vaccine. It is predictable.

So why would anyone correct Tooms or read him anymore? You already know what he is going to say.

Trump Baselessly Claims Coronavirus Will Go Away Without Vaccine

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/tr...thout-vaccine/

Donald Trump says coronavirus will 'go away without a vaccine' - video

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-vaccine-video

'It's going to disappear':
A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020...mment-tracker/

BTW, if Dear Leader was ever perceived by his slavish followers who hang on his every word to be "pro vaccine", why did this happen?

Trump reveals he got COVID-19 booster shot; crowd boos him

https://apnews.com/article/coronavir...f445fe2142e22b

Oh, and why did he do this?

Donald Trump, Melania got COVID-19 vaccine in secret before leaving office

https://globalnews.ca/news/7671671/d...accine-secret/

What was this about?

Trump Admits He Got Vaccine Booster in Secret, Skipping Photo-Op That Could Save Lives.
Donald Trump has declined three times in the past year to try to save the lives of his fans by having himself photographed getting vaccinated against Covid-19.

https://theintercept.com/2021/12/21/...ld-save-lives/

You want to correct me by refuting that that was Trump's repeated message and attitude about there being virtually no reason for anyone to bother inventing a vaccine, much less taking one, and that he didn't even want to admit that he got vaccinated when his doing so would have saved lives?

Ok, you're on. We're all waiting.

[Tiny 12]

And in case it wasn't clear I never said you were. All I'm saying is that I kind of expected at least some of his musings to make you cringe.

My Aunt, a lifelong Democrat, was walking on the beach in Galveston and saw a mixed race child. She said "They should just kill that child." That makes me cringe, even more so now that I have a mixed race son.

An acquaintance of mine in college made me cringe when he told me he'd kill me if he needed to do that to improve the gene pool. I saw him change seats in a class once because he didn't like the race of the person who sat beside him. He was very smart. I believe he ended up getting a PhD from Stanford.

Chris is not going to make me cringe. Yeah, he may be a little overly politically incorrect from time to time. But usually he's just pointing out the truth. If we ignore the truth, in order to blame everything bad on Republicans or Democrats, without recognizing the real problems, how are we going to fix anything? Take for example Chris' excellent post on the Baltimore school system:

Further to the recent discussion on illiteracy and education, a report has emerged that 23 schools in Baltimore city, an urban, heavily-democrat area, does not have a single student who has reached age-level math proficiency....What is particularly interesting is the table that I have attached, which shows that far from being underfunded, as is the standard fake leftist claim, Baltimore public schools have the third highest per-student spending of all school districts in the entire country!

That's totally insane! I read an article on the subject on a local television stations web site, and in addition to the 23 schools than had no students meeting minimum math standards, there were 20 more in which only one or two students met the minimum. And this is in Maryland, one of the most educated states in the country.

We need things like charter schools, vouchers for poor parents to use to fully pay for private schools, and teachers who produce results, whose first priority is their students instead of their unions. We've got all that where I live, a red city in a red county in a red state.

My sister-in-law is a bilingual teacher in my community. She takes kids who can't even speak English, and by the end of the first year, the majority of the kids are ahead of the English speakers. They don't have a problem with reading or math. She and her partner have to work 60 hours a week though to produce the results they do.

And I don't want to put all the blame on Democrats. Extending the expanded, refundable (you don't have to pay income taxes to use it) child care credit for truly needy families would be a good idea. Someone here, maybe PVMonger, pointed out a couple of red states where the poor school districts ended up with a lot less financial support than the wealthier ones. There's room for improvement there too.

[Elvis 2008]

And yet I have seen no posts from you saying how Donnie the Dumbass was absolutely fucking wrong when he had his minions contact Twitter and demand that they remove a post that was critical of Donnie the Dumbass.

Can you even spell hypocrisy correctly?

PVM, I have Spidy on ignore because all he does is name call. When you call someone the devil, you are done IMO because you are calling me and everyone who voted for him, 75 million people, evil, and that means you do not have a functioning brain when it comes to difference of opinion. If you look at the red-blue divide as good versus evil, I am done with you.

Xpartan is so factually challenged I had to put him on ignore. He would challenge my facts and was too lazy to look them up. All you dumb dems attack the source but with him it was to excess, and I got sick of it. I am not debating someone that ignorant. Give me your sources and I will attack them? Nah, fuck you for being so damned lazy. You are on ignore. You are too factually challenged for me to care about your opinion.

Tooms comment about people not owning their own money and the vaccine and Trump finished him for me. His posts are so Dems good, Republicans bad, no one needs to read what he says. Every post is the same. He is like Bagdad Bob in the Iraq war.

So you are it, PVM, the last of the Democratic debaters I have not judged completely whacko. I do not mind and even like to debate different points of view. The name calling though is too much with Trump. He has been out of office for 3 years and this stupid name calling, where you all like try to insult him the hardest, is getting way old. We know you do not like him. Calling him Donnie the dumbass makes me shut off my brain.

For example, with the vaccine, Trump is vulnerable to attack. There was no consideration for the virus evolving and becoming resistant to the vaccine. The payment system to the drug companies was too generous as was the clause for immunity from lawsuits. So why be like Tooms and just make shit up about Trump instead of attacking him where he may have messed up?

Now I would argue that Biden screwed up even worse with the vaccine, but you notice I am not calling Biden any names.

If you cannot respect the opposing POV and constantly be calling Trump Donnie the dumbass and his supporters, the moron brigade, then you are the same as Spidy. You want to call me a moron because of my views on a certain issue, have at it.

If you are calling me a moron because I voted for Trump and you do not even care to understand the reasons why, because Trump is a dumb ass and anyone who votes for Trump is a moron, then I am doing the equivalent of debating someone in a cult, and the debate is, Republicans evil and Dems good, and that is a total waste of everyone's time including mine.

So your name calling, unless it is on a specific issue, is not helping your POV. It is weakening it. By constantly repeating the name calling, you put yourself in the same cult like mindset Spidy and Tooms are in.

If we know it what you all are going to post before we read it, we are just going to mentally put you on ignore.

So quit with the name calling and provide the example and link of them asking to take down a tweet critical of Trump. You are saying Republicans believe in censorship too. So show me the example. That is how you make your point and earn some respect. Be The one Democrat on here I can disagree with their POV and actually have some respect for.

[Tiny 12]

LOL. That is some sick shit, dude.

Democratic Party policies would take the United States where European welfare states are now. That would result in a 30% drop in median equivalent adult income adjusted for purchasing power if we turned out like Germany, and a 40% drop if we turned out like France. And yeah, that is some sick shit dude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispos..._capita_income

[Tiny 12]

However, the better question you should be asking yourself is, if the "fat white guy with the orange skin", becomes the Repub's nominee for presidential ticket, would YOU STILL VOTE for HIM, again?

I never voted for Trump. I wouldn't vote for Trump for dogcatcher. If you wouldn't do business with a man, you shouldn't vote for him. That doesn't mean that I believe everything he and his administration did was bad. I give him credit where credit is due. I haven't fallen into the "Republican Good, Democrat Bad" trap.

[Tiny 12]

Yeah, he posted this stupid shit about Trump being anti-vax (even though he developed the vaccine) and made him out to the be the leader of the anti-vax movement while in actuality Trump was encouraging to get people vaxxed and no one corrected him.

This was probably the greatest insult on TV I had ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Ksoizbl2s

"I feel bad for you. ".

"I do not think about you at all. ".

Everything Tooms does is Republican bad, Democrat good that it is a point of absurdity. It does not matter that Trump spear headed the development of the vaccine. There is nothing any Republican president has ever done that is good in the history of the country. If you point out that Trump developed the vaccine, he will find someone else to give credit for the vaccine. It is predictable.

So why would anyone correct Tooms or read him anymore? You already know what he is going to say.

You just don't get it Elvis. It was the Trump Pandemic. HAHAHAHAHA.