American Politics

**Villainy** · 06-24-22 20:44

Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]

Elvis, you don't know anything about history, the political parties, the economy or the stock market. Best you steer clear of those topics and just be happy your latest coin flip recouped a small portion of your gambling losses.

Glass-Steagall, which went through several revisions since the early 1930's, was already being violated and allowed to be violated by court decisions years before it was deemed obsolete in the global banking world, repealed by an overwhelming veto-proof Repub Majority Congress and replaced in late 1999.

And this is utterly aside from the fact that the Great Repub-Bush Financial Crisis Crash that happened 9 very long years later was not for lack of regulations on the books to prevent Liar Loans from prevailing to prop up an otherwise typically crap Repub economy. It was for lack of enforcing those regulations and, further, for lack of interest in enforcing banking regulations by the Repib administration at the time, a constant theme in all Great Repub Banking Crisis Disasters for the past 100 years.

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis...t-myth-reality#what-exactly-did-the-glass-steagall-act-proscribe.

Damn you ElhTooms! I also read the revisionist history of Glass-Steagall written by Elvis but you were faster on the draw. His "history" of the Glass-Steagall Act wasn't even close. First of all it wasn't written by Joe Kennedy. Senator Glass was the principal author and his original bill stalled in the House in 1932. In 1933 with Representative Henry Steagall as a co-sponsor the bill passed and was signed into law by FDR. I'm positive Elvis has no idea what the purpose of Glass-Steagall was or why it was important to Depression era banking.

I found it interesting that Elvis claimed that President Clinton repealled the Glass-Steagall Act. I wonder if they teach Civics where Elvis comes from? Presidents don't pass or repeal laws. When a bill is passed by the Congress the President signs it into law or vetos the bill. In the relevant case, Representatives Leach and Bliley along with Senator Gramm (all Republicans) sponsored the bill which passed both houses of Congress and was signed into law by then President Clinton.

Of course, as you pointed out the Glass Steagall Act even if it had not been largely repealled would have done nothing to prevent the Great Recession of 2008.

https://www.federalreservehistory.or...s-steagall-act

**PVMonger** · 06-24-22 20:39

Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]

Best post ever, but I really do not think Bidden is calling the shots. It is the crazy ass people he has surrounded himself with. Trump was an Ass, no denying it, but for the most part he did a good job, he does need to go away. The difference between Trump and Bidden, is Trump had great people around him, that at least tried and had some common sense.

I think one of Trumps biggest mistake was keeping Fauci, he should have fired him immediately. He deserves a lot of blame as well. If he had his ways we would still be locked down. Trump was able to keep sone of the economy up and running, if this would not have happened we would be in even worse shape.

"Trump had great people around him" Really? By what measure? If one measures "greatness" by the number if indictments handed down, then yes,.

Bannon, Manafort, Stone, Flynn, Papadopoulos, Gates and Cohen. All indicted. All close to the Orange Buffoon. But let's not forget the dozens of people who Donnie "I only hire the best people" the Dumbass hired, then fired and who left the administration to the tune of "he was a loser".

Of course, compared to Nixon (28 people indicted who were "close to" Nixon) and Reagan (33 people indicted), the Mango Mussolini was an angel.

But compared to Clinton (2 people indicted), Obama (0 people indicted) and Carter (0 people indicted), not so much. https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...trump-reagan-/.

But sure, keep up the falsehoods. You guys crack me up!

**Xpartan** · 06-24-22 20:33

Originally Posted by Gino02 [View Original Post]

You guys are so rookies about diplomacy, probably even worse than the stupid Buyden. Hilarious.

Diplomacy Lesson #1 for you dumb dumb dems. An intelligent and shrewd diplomat makes the other parties think that they are the ones making the decision, but actually they are dancing to the tune of the smart diplomat. That's Trump, but you and your still Buyden supporters will never get that.

Ah, that's what it was. Shrewd and intelligent. So shrewd, in fact, that no one was supposed to know exactly how shrewd and intelligent that "diplomat" (LOL) was.

President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladi*mir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...0a8_story.html

That's before he ditched interpreters altogether.

Trump, Putin talked at G20 without US translator, note-taker: report

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-taker-report/

**Elvis 2008** · 06-24-22 20:19

Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]

Elvis, you don't know anything about history, the political parties, the economy or the stock market.

Glass-Steagall, which went through several revisions since the early 1930's, was already being violated and allowed to be violated by court decisions years before it was deemed obsolete in the global banking world, repealed by an overwhelming veto-proof Repub Majority Congress and replaced in late 1999.

What do you call a bill that passed with 75% of Democrats in the House voting for it and 84% of the Democrats in the Senate voting for it and signed into law by Bill Clinton originated by Robert Rubin? Well, if you are Eih, you call it a bill passed into law by "a veto proof Republican majority".

A year before the law was passed, Citicorp, a commercial bank holding company, merged with the insurance company Travelers Group in 1998 to form the conglomerate Citigroup, a corporation combining banking, securities and insurance services under a house of brands that included Citibank, Smith Barney, Primerica, and Travelers. Because this merger was a violation of the GlassSteagall Act and the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956, the Federal Reserve gave Citigroup a temporary waiver in September 1998.

Robert Rubin received more than $126 million in cash and stock during his tenure at Citigroup, up through and including Citigroup's bailout by the USA Treasury, but according to you Eih, that was just a happy coincidence.

During debate in the House of Representatives, Rep. John Dingell (Democrat of Michigan) argued that the bill would result in banks becoming "too big to fail. " Dingell further argued that this would necessarily result in a bailout by the Federal Government.

Well, at least he got the first part right.

Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]

And this is utterly aside from the fact that the Great Repub-Bush Financial Crisis Crash that happened 9 very long years later was not for lack of regulations on the books to prevent Liar Loans from prevailing to prop up an otherwise typically crap Repub economy.

I am shocked, shocked that you let all those Wall Street bankers who have bankrolled the Dems and are the ones who actually granted those liar loans a pass. The problem with a dumb Dem like you is that you do not look at the what but the who. Any accusation against a Republican and they are guilty and all Dems are great, great people incapable of unethical or criminal acts. Lloyd Blankefein and Robert Rubin are scum who just so happen to be Democrat.

Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]

And just be happy your latest coin flip recouped a small portion of your gambling losses.

What losses are you talking about Gramps? You are the one losing not me. I sold 25% of my portfolio when we had the huge move down (and my portfolio went up huge) and then bought most of it back today and lowered my cost basis. Unlike you, I talk about what I am doing versus brag about what I have done in the past. Truth be told, you would not believe what I have done in the past anyway.

You are only guy I know talking about how great this Biden economy is, and you live in Thailand. LOL.

**EihTooms** · 06-24-22 19:07

Originally Posted by Gino02 [View Original Post]

You guys are so rookies about diplomacy, probably even worse than the stupid Buyden. Hilarious.

Diplomacy Lesson #1 for you dumb dumb dems. An intelligent and shrewd diplomat makes the other parties think that they are the ones making the decision, but actually they are dancing to the tune of the smart diplomat. That's Trump, but you and your still Buyden supporters will never get that.

Yeah, we remember when Trump brilliantly made it seem like it was his idea Instead of Xi's to mass murder a million Americans by laying all the groundwork for and being the #1 Most Influencial World Leader to produce the global economy-destroying Trump's Pandemic.

Then there was that time he jumped in to assure Putin on the world stage that his intel is so superior to ours that he surely ought to believe every word of it that tells him Ukranians would love and embrace a Russian invasion to, you know, "De-Natzify", occupy their country and slaughter its citizens.

Yep, Trump was a stable diplomatic genius.

And don't even get us started on his domestic policy brilliance in making it look like it was his idea and not Putin's to inspire, organize, encite and lead a violent Insurrection against America in order to install a unelected authoritarian dictator, him.

Damn clever how he took over the agenda of our sworn enemies, made it look like it was his idea instead of theirs and did all their dirty work for them.

Now, why didn't Obama think of that? LOL. And Biden is just too confused to figure out how to do that, right? Silly Dems.

**Gino02** · 06-24-22 18:11

Originally Posted by Gino02 [View Original Post]

How about we do a poll here on this thread. Given what we know today who thinks "Donald Trump would have been a much better POTUS now than Joe Biden". No explanation or TLDR essays please, just simple "YES / NO / Not sure" opinion poll for readers and writers in this thread. We can close the poll on next Sunday June 26th, and tally up the results. I will go first.

"Donald Trump would have been a much better POTUS now than Joe Biden".

YES. Gino02.

"Joe Biden's presidency is failing. And Americans are hurting because of it. " - Opinion by Chris Schlak, USA Today.

(https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...-it/ar-AAYOKw1).

Even MSM like USA Today are calling Biden a failure now. I am not even quoting the real news orgs like Fox, OAN or Newsmax.

"Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell wants to 'get back' to the Trump era of low inflation and rising wages. "

(https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...IM-TALENT.html).

So what's your vote on this? We will tally all votes on Monday June 27th.

"Donald Trump would have been a much better POTUS now than Joe Biden". - YES / NO / Not sure?

**Gino02** · 06-24-22 17:21

Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]

It's even worse, actually.

Trump told his brain-dead followers to trust Putin over all US intelligence agencies combined. They obeyed.

He told them to trust China more than Senate Democrats. They agreed.

He told them MBS didn't kill the Saudi journalist. They believed.

He took advice from Erdogan to get out of Syria over the objections of his own military. They applauded him.

He made a secret deal with Taliban, which resulted in the collapse of Afghanistan. They praised him. (Of course, later on, he blamed Joe Biden for the catastrophe he himself created, and they loved him even more.).

He called Putin's invasion of Ukraine "genius" and they ate it up.

At the end of the day, it's not only Trump or only Putin. Those who actively support monsters are culpable too.

You guys are so rookies about diplomacy, probably even worse than the stupid Buyden. Hilarious.

Diplomacy Lesson #1 for you dumb dumb dems. An intelligent and shrewd diplomat makes the other parties think that they are the ones making the decision, but actually they are dancing to the tune of the smart diplomat. That's Trump, but you and your still Buyden supporters will never get that.

**Gino02** · 06-24-22 16:18

Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]

Best post ever, but I really do not think Bidden is calling the shots. It is the crazy ass people he has surrounded himself with. Trump was an Ass, no denying it, but for the most part he did a good job, he does need to go away. The difference between Trump and Bidden, is Trump had great people around him, that at least tried and had some common sense.

I think one of Trumps biggest mistake was keeping Fauci, he should have fired him immediately. He deserves a lot of blame as well. If he had his ways we would still be locked down. Trump was able to keep sone of the economy up and running, if this would not have happened we would be in even worse shape.

Biden accidentally flashed a cue card telling him exactly where to go and what to do at a White House event.

https://www.businessinsider.com/bide...meeting-2022-6

You're right. Like I said earlier, puppeteers are calling all the shots in this joke of an administration. Sad and bad for the people.

**PVMonger** · 06-24-22 14:43

Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]

LOL. So now all the mules are grocery store workers? LOL.

I am not sure what the point of this is. If you only have the finger prints of the mule on a ballot and not the voter, that is the problem. You seem to be trying to say that the mules are unknown. No, the people at True the Vote know exactly who they are.

There were more than two clips. What was said was that many ballot sites which were required to have a camera on them by law did not have a camera. In Georgia, 80% of the video coverage was deleted. It is the same thing in Michigan with voter data. It too was deleted. Michigan blew this topic off. Who did it? Why does the NSA keep data forever but voter data was deleted? Oh, that is routine we were told. It is always done like that. That is a crock of shit.

Any other election have a 1-6? Why the hell would anyone delete the data or video coverage after a 1-6?

To the contrary, it means everything to me, but I know there never will be a hearing where those responsible for not setting up video cameras and those responsible for deleting video footage of the ballot boxes and voter data are found out, investigated, and deposed. That will never happen.

I must have missed the part where you Democrats apologized for Russiagate. The fact that Hilary approved a scheme to beat Trump with the help of the FBI who knew early on that Russiagate was bullshit was not met with disdain with Democratic supporters like yourself. No, you assholes bragged about it. You bragged about how you tried to fix the 2016 election and after that failed how you tried to get the results of that election thrown out. Then there was Hunter Biden's laptop censorship and the complete bullshit that said laptop was Russian disinformation. Far from hanging your heads in shame over that, you gloated about it.

Did any of the ballots from any of the ballot boxes contain fingerprints of the mules but not the voters? Gee, "2000 Mules" didn't check that, did they? If True the Vote has the names of all of these so-called mules, why don't they name them? Why don't they file a lawsuit? But see, that's the problem. If True the Vote actually names these so-called mules, they open themselves up to slander and libel charges if it is found that True the Vote falsely accused these folks. And if True the Vote files a lawsuit, they need to give the court an indication of what evidence they are prepared to present. But True the Vote doesn't have any evidence so they can't file a suit without the high probability of it being thrown out. But there are plenty of tRUMP supporters who will gladly take up the banner of "election fraud". That is the exact same reason that none of the 60+ election lawsuits filed by the Mango Mussolini's crackpot legal team alleged voter fraud. Because they had no evidence. Hell, even Rudy said it. "We have a lot of theories but no evidence". That doesn't make a difference to you tRUMPers, though.

And now you claim, without evidence, of course and without citing a source, of course, that Georgia deleted ballot box video when True the Vote claimed to have over 4 million minutes of video, most of it from Georgia. Gee, you'd think I all of that 4 million minutes, they would have found more than the video clips they presented during the movie. It is all debunked here but, of course, that doesn't make any difference to someone who has consumed enough orange KookAid to float a battleship. https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2XJ0OQ.

And you mention circumstantial evidence once again. You crucified Democrats during the Orange Buffoon's first impeachment trial for presenting circumstantial evidence. Now, for some "unknown reason", you seem to think circumstantial evidence is perfectly OK. I wish you RethugliKKKans would just pick one side and stay with it.

So now the folks who broke into the Capitol on January 6th were Democrats? Celebrating our cheating?

And you end your hogwash with the standard RethugliKKKan party line "We don't have any evidence but we know that you cheated. " If that mantra wasn't so sad, it would be laughable.

**EihTooms** · 06-24-22 10:54

Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]

It's even worse, actually.

Trump told his brain-dead followers to trust Putin over all US intelligence agencies combined. They obeyed.

He told them to trust China more than Senate Democrats. They agreed.

He told them MBS didn't kill the Saudi journalist. They believed.

He took advice from Erdogan to get out of Syria over the objections of his own military. They applauded him.

He made a secret deal with Taliban, which resulted in the collapse of Afghanistan. They praised him. (Of course, later on, he blamed Joe Biden for the catastrophe he himself created, and they loved him even more.).

He called Putin's invasion of Ukraine "genius" and they ate it up.

At the end of the day, it's not only Trump or only Putin. Those who actively support monsters are culpable too.

This highly regarded conservative Republican judge pointed out the truth that "Trump, his allies and his supporters are a clear and present danger to American democracy. ".

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-jan-6-h...212115229.html

WASHINGTON A preeminent conservative lawyer and former federal judge said Thursday that the theories pushed by his former law clerk, John Eastman, to pressure former Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 election results were baseless in every way, accused former President Donald Trump of trying to steal Americas democracy and said Trump remains a clear and present danger to American democracy.

Don't see the words "and his supporters" quoted in that link? LOL. Of course not. You will rarely if ever see or hear those words quoted on typically pro Repub Mainstream Media anymore.

But that is actually what he said as proven in the video clip of him saying it that way in the link.

And, yep, "supporters" most definitely includes any effectively Trump / Repub electioneering Bothsider who is deluding himself into thinking his Bothsides bit is doing anything except helping Trump's Repubs win elections, same as MSM want, so they can get back to their mission of wiping out millions upon millions of jobs, destroying the USA economy and, what the hell, might as well destroy American democracy while they're at it too.

**Xpartan** · 06-24-22 04:12

Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]

Putin never listened to Trump for anything. Putin told Trump. Trump obeyed.

It's even worse, actually.

Trump told his brain-dead followers to trust Putin over all US intelligence agencies combined. They obeyed.

He told them to trust China more than Senate Democrats. They agreed.

He told them MBS didn't kill the Saudi journalist. They believed.

He took advice from Erdogan to get out of Syria over the objections of his own military. They applauded him.

He made a secret deal with Taliban, which resulted in the collapse of Afghanistan. They praised him. (Of course, later on, he blamed Joe Biden for the catastrophe he himself created, and they loved him even more.).

He called Putin's invasion of Ukraine "genius" and they ate it up.

At the end of the day, it's not only Trump or only Putin. Those who actively support monsters are culpable too.

**EihTooms** · 06-24-22 01:36

Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]

That is much more refreshing than any pol talking. Thing is all these people out of power always make more sense than the ones in power.

I am not sure what he means with LBJ. With FDR, you had Glass Steagall and the best security laws I have ever seen written. They were the back bone of our stock market and written by Joe Kennedy father of JFK after he swindled everyone in the market. It is funny with Eih, the guy is such a bonehead, with he and his Democrat laws being so great. Yeah, FDR signed Glass Stegall into law, and it was IMO a great law. Thing is he leaves out the part that Bill Clinton repealed it! This was done at the behest of Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin who wanted Citibank and Traveler's insurance to merge for his own personal gain. Nine years later, in 2008, we saw the effect of repealing GS with the 2008 Great Recession.

But it was not all Dems though Matt Taibbi who studied the economic bubbles put more blame at their feet than Republicans. No, later on, it was unelected bureaucrats. The Supreme Court had a ruling that pretty much destroyed any responsibility a board of directors has to its shareholders. And with Covid, we saw Congress completely cede legal authority to the executive branch. Practically all Congress does these days is throw money at people..

Elvis, you don't know anything about history, the political parties, the economy or the stock market. Best you steer clear of those topics and just be happy your latest coin flip recouped a small portion of your gambling losses.

Glass-Steagall, which went through several revisions since the early 1930's, was already being violated and allowed to be violated by court decisions years before it was deemed obsolete in the global banking world, repealed by an overwhelming veto-proof Repub Majority Congress and replaced in late 1999.

And this is utterly aside from the fact that the Great Repub-Bush Financial Crisis Crash that happened 9 very long years later was not for lack of regulations on the books to prevent Liar Loans from prevailing to prop up an otherwise typically crap Repub economy. It was for lack of enforcing those regulations and, further, for lack of interest in enforcing banking regulations by the Repib administration at the time, a constant theme in all Great Repub Banking Crisis Disasters for the past 100 years.

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis...t-myth-reality#what-exactly-did-the-glass-steagall-act-proscribe.

**Elvis 2008** · 06-23-22 23:10

Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]

I know. I just can't take the joker seriously. He has a binary view of the world - "You don't like Dems? Ok then your a Rep!

I believe in the principles of anarcho-syndichalism, as much as they can be applied to the current and future world in which we live. But unfortunately in the digital and mechanised world, I think the role it can play is and will be further diminished. For this reason, I follow transnationalism these days (sometimes referred to as internationalism). It is very different from globalisation. Which simply allows the continued of exploitation of the poor by the rich. It is a global prison. I believe in economic and social justice for all, a world of open borders, where everyone has equal rights and opportunities to live and work where they want.

Its most prominent spokesperson ATM is Yanis Varoufakis, the ex-Greek minister of finance that refused to kotow to the EU and send Greece in to a financial tailspin that hurt its people. NOw he runs a Europe wide politcial party called Diem-25. He explains it very well here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wvnGEZHkm8

So yeah, I guess I am a Trump supporter.

That is much more refreshing than any pol talking. Thing is all these people out of power always make more sense than the ones in power.

I am not sure what he means with LBJ. With FDR, you had Glass Steagall and the best security laws I have ever seen written. They were the back bone of our stock market and written by Joe Kennedy father of JFK after he swindled everyone in the market. It is funny with Eih, the guy is such a bonehead, with he and his Democrat laws being so great. Yeah, FDR signed Glass Stegall into law, and it was IMO a great law. Thing is he leaves out the part that Bill Clinton repealed it! This was done at the behest of Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin who wanted Citibank and Traveler's insurance to merge for his own personal gain. Nine years later, in 2008, we saw the effect of repealing GS with the 2008 Great Recession.

But it was not all Dems though Matt Taibbi who studied the economic bubbles put more blame at their feet than Republicans. No, later on, it was unelected bureaucrats. The Supreme Court had a ruling that pretty much destroyed any responsibility a board of directors has to its shareholders. And with Covid, we saw Congress completely cede legal authority to the executive branch. Practically all Congress does these days is throw money at people.

The real issue now IMO is not even partisan. It is not Democrats or Republicans but unelected bureaucrats who answer to no one who are the biggest problem. The red-blue debate gets in the way of Americans seeing the truth.

**Elvis 2008** · 06-23-22 21:01