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06-17-23 17:10 #12529
Lol
Okay so I see you have this whole "deep state" conspiracy theory going. You aren't a "Libertarian" but are cut from the same cloth as the MAGA cult. Your bromance with Chris makes perfect sense. With that I rest my case where you're concerned, while I still recommend the fresh air and sunshine.
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06-17-23 06:02 #12528
Of course, that is utterly irrelevant
Neither any Great Depression, Great Recession or Massive Jobs Destruction nor any Great Recovery, Great Expansion or Historic Jobs Gain occurred because the House made some quirky or meaningful move contrary to what the POTUS ran on, proposed, lobbied for, directed, guided or could have vetoed. The House waits for guidance from the POTUS. The direction of the economy is in the hands of the POTUS as the direction of a ship is in the hands of the Captain. And no major historical result came about, good or bad, because of the ship's crew mutiny and insistence we reverse course. Originally Posted by Tiny12
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06-17-23 05:32 #12527
Lol
In Loony Rudy Giuliani's hair dye dripping head. Originally Posted by JohnClayton
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06-17-23 05:30 #12526
Pantiesgate
Is that the "evidence" that nobody in the Repub Party can find and the "witness" that has either died, evaporated into thin air or never existed? Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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Really, after your great victory in the Mueller "Russiagate" investigation you should be basking in the glory of victory that the Florida Grand Jury found no evidence of Trump wearing his wife's panties. You know, "Pantiesgate"!
Of course, like Team Trump's indisputable extraordinary collusion with Russia, there is no law against Trump wearing his wife's panties and the Florida Grand Jury wasn't really looking for evidence of it.
But that shouldn't put a damper on your celebration over Trump not being "convicted" of wearing his wife's panties. Since that one flukey Electoral College award despite losing the vote by millions in 2016, you, Trump and the Repub Party could use a resounding victory to celebrate. Don't squander this rare opportunity by messin' with Joe. You know that never turns out well for your side.
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06-17-23 05:16 #12525Okay, where? Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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06-17-23 05:06 #12524
So what?
What, no list of which party controlled the House during all the Great Recoveries from the Great Repub Depressions and Great Repyb Recessions? Originally Posted by Tiny12
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The Party of the POTUS is the common denominator of all of the Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Job Losses vs all of the Great Recoveries, Great Expansions and Historic Jobs Creation since the late 1920's.
Yes, the House holds the purse strings but the POTUS proposes the budget, guides and directs it, proposes and guides significant economic legislation, runs for office on those issues, lobbies for the proposals he or she wants them to loosen or tighten the purse strings on and can veto whatever has not gotten the minimum required veto-proof majority support in the Senate. The POTUS has immeasurably more input and control over the direction of the economy than either the House or the Senate. And it is most certainly in the POTUS' hands to respond to gathering clouds of looming potential economic disaster. Or not. Nobody looks to or waits for the House to see and act on it first without the POTUS recognizing and directing the need for it. Sure, a House or Senate move can improve or lessen the results the POTUS' proposals intended. But not so much as to totally reverse them.
BTW, you do recall I am talking about Great Depressions, Great Recessions, Massive Job Losses, Skyrocketing Unemployment Rates and the like, right? Not just every piddling -1 or -2 percent in GDP Growth for a couple of quarters and a momentary uptick in the unemployment rate to oh, 7% or so, right? Those latter are the ones than can reasonably be written off as business cycle results. But not every Great Recession vs every Great Expansion for almost the past 100 years.
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06-17-23 02:35 #12523
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Little Vlad started it by invading Ukraine. In fact he'd been arguing for ages through various spurious historical arguments that Ukraine has no right to exist. He wanted to rebuild empire and made his move. Trump is irrelevant as he's a career criminal and traitor that likewise was a tool of Russia. The American people wisely removed him from office. The same and even most Republican lawmakers support Ukraine's right to defend itself while favoring weapon's support. But like I told you, you need to get out of your computer chair, give up chasing your tail in repetitive, and all too predictable competing talking points and get some fresh air and sunlight. The ancient Greeks ages ago had the recipe for good health. Originally Posted by Tiny12
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I myself am on track for retirement in October. Thanks in advance for any congratulations. For the first five years I'll be seeing many different countries, and they'll be no bickering in online forums. Zero.
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06-16-23 23:44 #12522Tiny, the Feds are restricting the release of a non-classified document horribly detrimental to Biden. Watch this video of Cruz crucifying the Deputy Director of the FBI about this issue. Originally Posted by Tiny12
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted...bribery-scheme
After this and Russiagate, I do not give a fuck what the FBI thinks about anything. They may as well be a wing of the Democratic party.
And as bad as it is for Biden, it gets worse and worse. This is what came out today. It is horribly bad. Watch the video here too: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...ayments-bidens.
The Democratic douches will make fun of the sources as they always do but that is not going to work here. There is audio of Joe Biden and Hunter Biden. There are bank records. If they are what the Republicans say they are, and they may not be, Biden is fucked.
And that is why you indict all or none. It is looking to me like indicting Trump was just a stunt to distract.
If you look at the New York Times website, it is what you expect. There are four stories on the cover about Trump. There is nothing on the Biden bribe story. But then there is this one little op ed piece about how Democrats do not want Biden to run in 2024. That is what the NY Times does when something stinks with a Democrat. Give themselves an out for not totally being on Team Biden.
That is why you indict everyone. The justice system should be apolitical. When you only indict Trump, the question is, "Was Trump really that bad or do you guys just not want the Biden bribe scandal on the front page?
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06-16-23 23:19 #12521Wow PVM! Sometimes you post stuff like this and I am speechless. Maybe there is hope for you yet. Since I voted in 2008 for Obama and actually like the concept of "free" junior colleges and the public option for health care, I am an independent with Republican leanings but vehemently anti deep state. Originally Posted by PVMonger
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I would vote to indict all of them or none of them especially given the timing. If you indict, there are negotiations. At this point, prosecutors can cut a deal and maybe you can get the accused to pay a fine if the law was broken and no one was hurt. That actually is probably what SHOULD happen if no one was hurt by the mishandling of classified documents.
Now when it comes to innocence or guilt it gets tricky. "A trial jury is supposed to serve only as a "fact finder": that is, to evaluate the veracity of witnesses and the strength of evidence presented at trial, then apply the law to that evidence in order to reach a verdict. The jury isn't supposed to decide what the law isor what it should be. ".
That is what lawyers want us to do. They make all the judgment calls and want us to follow them like sheep and expect us to be okay with it. That is bullshit.
There is a reality lawyers do not want us to know: "In its strictest sense, jury nullification occurs when a jury returns a Not Guilty verdict even though jurors believe beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant has broken the law. Because the Not Guilty verdict cannot be overturned, and because the jurors cannot be punished for their verdict, the law is said to be nullified in that particular case. ".
I am guided by morals not laws, and I am not putting someone in jail for breaking the law when the average American breaks like three laws a day. Jail should be for people who harmed others. So I do not give a fuck how the law reads. What I want to know is if there was actual harm done.
As of now, there is no evidence of any harm so I am not going to find ANY of them guilty even though as of now, I think they all broke the law. If there is evidence that says there was harm, I would change my mind and found those who caused actual harm guilty.
And if you ever want to not sit on a jury, you just say, "I know what jury nullification is, and I believe in it. " LOL.
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06-16-23 19:23 #12520OK, let's play. Originally Posted by PVMonger
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1. Center-left.
2. I believe he's guilty of all that and then some.
3. Yes, I would consider them guilty under the same or similar circumstances.
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06-16-23 19:00 #12519Sorry, I should have written "after the great depression" of 1929. The Republican Party controlled the House then. Originally Posted by Tiny12
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06-16-23 18:40 #12518Knew what the fuck you were doing? You Democratic douches believed Russiagate was all true. Hell, YOU probably still do. And let's be clear, Russiagate originated with Hiliary Clinton and her attempt to rig an election. And now even after Russiagate, you think Trump is guilty without a trial. I wish that was a surprise. Originally Posted by EihTooms
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Tooms, why don't you move to China and become a citizen there? You would love it. One party rule. Government says you are guilty and you are despite whatever the facts may be. It is nirvana for you.
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06-16-23 18:34 #12517Putin owned Trump. That is what the Steele Dossier said. Oops, that was all bullshit. Putin is a bad guy because he invaded Ukraine. Would the war end if Putin dropped dead of a heartache? No, the war has supported among a majority of Russians because they were feeling surrounded by NATO. The people feel this is a war for survival. Originally Posted by JohnClayton
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So what is all this Putin is evil BS really about? Let's just blow off the disgusting Steele Dossier because Putin is evil. And let's just blow off the alleged $5 million bribe Joe Biden was given by Burisma because Zelensky is a hero, Ukraine is pure as the driven snow, and Putin is evil. Hell, Ukraine is so damned good that even if they gave Biden a bribe it is no big deal. But even the hint that Trump took a payout from Putin, even if it is totally false and it was, is way worse because Putin is so evil.
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06-16-23 18:15 #12516I am waiting for Putin to leave / die and the FSB archives to be opened. Originally Posted by Tiny12
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06-16-23 16:54 #12515Agreed, 100%. There was an interesting article in the New York Times the other day. Reading it, you'd believe the reason all this happened is because Trump's a hoarder. He liked to keep "newspaper clippings, documents and other mementos, according to more than a half dozen people who have worked for him over the years. " More information about that will come out in a trial. Also perhaps whether any of the info in the documents was leaked. My suspicion is that it was not. Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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Like as many as 5% of American adults, Trump may suffer from a mental disorder, called Plyushkin's disorder, also known as compulsive hoarding. If that's the case and the info didn't get out to anyone who mattered, like Putin, then there's a strong argument he shouldn't go to jail.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/15/u...nts-boxes.html
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