American Politics

[EihTooms]

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...ip-msna1094726

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...el-msna1093851

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fir...m_npd_ms_tw_ma

https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/ra...12-msna1078246

https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/ra...08-msna1048041

https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/ha...20-msna1093621

https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/th...12-msna1090256

https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/...-1209855555959.

Yeah, but you didn't get tired of quoting the supposedly damning assertions by Maddow or anyone else on MSNBC that did not clearly qualify any all of of this, especially what you refer to as "Peegate", as unproven allegations, even at least one time where Maddow drew the allegation into question on Trump's behalf, right?

Because you did not include any.

Maddow, in one of your first links supporting my position on it:

Now on the subject of the aforementioned alleged golden showers, I just -- I just leave my body, I`ll be back in a minute. David Corn and Michael Isikoff`s new book actually I think knocks down a few pegs the odds that that particular thing ever really happened.

Did Trump send her a Thank You note for that extraordinary show of support for him and apologize to her for anything negative he ever said about her?

You do realize those links are primarily reporting what was actually happening at the time, particularly with regard to what Trump's fellow Repub liar and huge 2016 election victory asset Comey was stating, right?

[Tiny 12]

What did the Durham Report that was recently released actually uncover that hadn't been reported earlier? https://www.justice.gov/storage/durhamreport.pdf The answer to that question is absolutely nothing. And how many convictions came out of Durham's work? None. As a comparison, what came out of the Mueller Report? 34 indictments and 8 folks either pled guilty or were convicted of felonies.

Since folks love to keep score, that's 8 guilty because of Mueller and 0 guilty because of Durham.

So what were those 8 people convicted of? Answer: Two on tax charges. A couple on failing to register correctly as lobbyists. And the rest for lying. That's not counting the ridiculous charge against Cohen for an illegal campaign contribution, because he channeled money from Trump to Stormy Daniels.

And how many of them pleaded guilty, so they wouldn't be bankrupted or suffer financial hardship from trying to defend themselves? Well, I think as many as eight.

This is a great example of Democrats' superiority when it comes to fucking over the opposite side. See bold print below.

The Republicans want to put the Democratic Politicians in jail, and the Democrats want to put the Republican Politicians in jail. Democrats want to incarcerate white businessmen, and Republicans want to jail young black men.

[Tiny 12]

When and by whom did MSNBC devote so much as 10 minutes to whether or not Trump hired anyone to pee on anything? Particularly without stressing it was only an allegation? I must have missed that show.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...ip-msna1094726

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...el-msna1093851

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fir...m_npd_ms_tw_ma

https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/ra...12-msna1078246

https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/ra...08-msna1048041

https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/ha...20-msna1093621

https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/th...12-msna1090256

https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/...-1209855555959

Here MSNBC admits the story came from "PR-Executive 1", not Danchenko, but conveniently omits that PR-Executive 1 is Clinton crony Charles Dolan.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...m_npd_ms_tw_ma

There's lots more but I'm tired of copying and pasting.

Why would any media outlet need to apologize to Trump for helping him shore up and solidify a clear popular advantage for him with Repub voters vs all the other potential Repub candidates with a little story about hookers he might have hired to urinate on him or whatever?

So you're saying media outlets should promote lies about Trump because he's a bad hombre? The ends justify the means? That was the modus operandi of Machiavelli and Stalin. Or maybe you mean that paying hookers to piss on beds that your political opponents slept in is a great way to appeal to voters? But that would be ridiculous.

[Tiny 12]

I totally believe the peeing story for 2 reasons.

1. It sounds totally like Trump. Everything we know about him indicates that it was totally within his character to ask a hooker to pee on the "Obama's" bed.

2, It would've been impossible to make this up. Just think about it: Can you imagine that Igor Danchenko just woke up one morning and came up with this brilliant, deliberate lie?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/21/u...e-dossier.html

Mark my words: one day we will see that tape, LOL.

You were lied to. Danchenko got the story from Charles Dolan, Clinton family crony. Trump never stayed in the Ritz Carlton Presidential Suite, which is where Obama stayed when he was in Moscow. See pages 140 to 148 of Durham's report:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/durhamreport.pdf

[Xpartan]

When and by whom did MSNBC devote so much as 10 minutes to whether or not Trump hired anyone to pee on anything? Particularly without stressing it was only an allegation? I must have missed that show.

I totally believe the peeing story for 2 reasons.

1. It sounds totally like Trump. Everything we know about him indicates that it was totally within his character to ask a hooker to pee on the "Obama's" bed.

2, It would've been impossible to make this up. Just think about it: Can you imagine that Igor Danchenko just woke up one morning and came up with this brilliant, deliberate lie?

The claim came from Igor Danchenko, a Russia analyst who gathered leads about possible Trump-Russia links for what turned out to be Democratic-funded opposition research. In an interview, Mr. Danchenko described hearing rumors from two sources about a possible sex tape involving Mr. Trump and the Ritz-Carlton, then obtaining more nebulous information from two hotel employees he took as corroborative.

Acknowledging that the material was too thin to amount to proof and saying that he himself remained skeptical, Mr. Danchenko defended the integrity of his work.

He said he was assigned simply to gather raw intelligence for his employer, Christopher Steele, and passed along claims that raised a potential red flag. He noted that he was not responsible for how Mr. Steele portrayed that information in the dossier, nor for making it public.

Even raw intelligence from credible sources, I take it with a grain of salt, Mr. Danchenko said. Who knows, what if its not particularly accurate? Is it just a rumor or is there more to it?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/21/u...e-dossier.html

Mark my words: one day we will see that tape, LOL.

[PVMonger]

Well hooray for the New York Post! I see from the link to the original article that the New York Post tried to check the story by contacting The Crossroads Hotel, Super 8 Hotel, and hotel where the vets allegedly were staying after they moved, but none commented prior to when the article was published. When questions arose as to the veracity of Sharon Toney-Finch, the New York Post reported the article was false.

Compare to the mainstream, left-of-center media, which are mostly silent about or distorting John Durham's report. Take for example the allegation that Trump had two prostitutes urinate on a hotel bed in the Presidential Suite of the Ritz Carlton in Moscow. The same bed that President Obama slept in. Allegedly this was filmed by Russian intelligence, and used to get Trump to do Russia's bidding.

Well, according to Durham, the likely source of this story was Clinton crony Charles Dolan!

So how many of the left-of-center newspapers and television channels have retracted their stories about "Peegate?" Wouldn't you think that the people over at MSNBC, unlike the Fox New pundits in your story, be jumping through hoops to say they'd been had? Hell no. Of course not. The only Democratic-Party-loving publication I can find that's apologizing is the Washington Post.

Democrats are every bit as guilty of spreading bull shit propaganda as Republicans.

What did the Durham Report that was recently released actually uncover that hadn't been reported earlier? https://www.justice.gov/storage/durhamreport.pdf The answer to that question is absolutely nothing. And how many convictions came out of Durham's work? None. As a comparison, what came out of the Mueller Report? 34 indictments and 8 folks either pled guilty or were convicted of felonies.

Since folks love to keep score, that's 8 guilty because of Mueller and 0 guilty because of Durham.

[EihTooms]

Well hooray for the New York Post! I see from the link to the original article that the New York Post tried to check the story by contacting The Crossroads Hotel, Super 8 Hotel, and hotel where the vets allegedly were staying after they moved, but none commented prior to when the article was published. When questions arose as to the veracity of Sharon Toney-Finch, the New York Post reported the article was false.

Compare to the mainstream, left-of-center media, which are mostly silent about or distorting John Durham's report. Take for example the allegation that Trump had two prostitutes urinate on a hotel bed in the Presidential Suite of the Ritz Carlton in Moscow. The same bed that President Obama slept in. Allegedly this was filmed by Russian intelligence, and used to get Trump to do Russia's bidding.

Well, according to Durham, the likely source of this story was Clinton crony Charles Dolan!

So how many of the left-of-center newspapers and television channels have retracted their stories about "Peegate?" Wouldn't you think that the people over at MSNBC, unlike the Fox New pundits in your story, be jumping through hoops to say they'd been had? Hell no. Of course not. The only Democratic-Party-loving publication I can find that's apologizing is the Washington Post.

Democrats are every bit as guilty of spreading bull shit propaganda as Republicans.

When and by whom did MSNBC devote so much as 10 minutes to whether or not Trump hired anyone to pee on anything? Particularly without stressing it was only an allegation? I must have missed that show.

Besides, it has always been obvious that Repubs only love Trump even more for boasting about sexually assaulting women, being found liable for it, paying "horse face" porn actresses $100,000+ to keep it to themselves, laying the foundation for, creating and developing Trump's Pandemic and virtually all the death, economic destruction, massive jobs destruction and inflation that followed, inciting cop-killing mobs of America-hating insurrectionists to violently overthrow American democracy and so on.

Why would any media outlet need to apologize to Trump for helping him shore up and solidify a clear popular advantage for him with Repub voters vs all the other potential Repub candidates with a little story about hookers he might have hired to urinate on him or whatever?

Trump should be thanking any and all media outlets that ran with that one.

[Tiny 12]

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-stok...184955929.html

The story had all the hallmarks of fueling the maximum amount of right-wing outrage. With migrants being bused into New York City amid an immigration surge at the southern border, upstate New York hotels had supposedly kicked out homeless veterans in order to make room for the influx of asylum seekers.

After right-wing tabloid The New York Post published the sensational report last Friday, Fox News and Newsmax ran wild with it, devoting dozens of segments (and countless online articles) to the indignation of "people who served our country and need a little boost" getting displaced by "illegals," all while "these hotels are selling their soul for a check. ".

Turns out, however, the whole story was made up.

The whole saga kicked off when the Post reported that 20 "struggling homeless veterans" were booted from hotels so their rooms could be given to incoming migrants. According to Yerik Israel Toney Foundation, the nonprofit group that works on temporarily housing the vets, the ex-military members had been told by the New York hotels that they needed to vacate and move elsewhere.

"One of the vets called me on Sunday,' YIT Foundation CEO Sharon Toney-Finch told the Post last week. "he told me he had to leave because the hotel said the extended stay is not available. Then I got another call. We didn't waste any time. '.

She added: "That's when we started on Monday to organize when and where to move them all. I am glad you called me today. Last night, I was crying. ".

According to Toney-Finch at the time, 15 of the veterans had been kicked out of the Crossroads Hotel in Newburgh, a community 60 minutes north of New York City. An additional five vets were reportedly removed from two other hotels in a nearby town. She claimed that all 20 of the vets were rebooked into another hotel in Hudson Valley. The area has recently experienced an influx of migrants as New York City Mayor Eric Adams has begun busing asylum seekers to other counties that may have additional space.

GOP State Assemblyman Brian Maher initially backed Toney-Finch's story, saying that "shining a light on this is important because we need to make sure these hotels know how important it is to respect the service of our veterans before they kick {them} out of hotels to make room. " Toney-Finch, meanwhile, added that the hotels were doing this for money since NYC was paying more for migrant accommodations than her group was offering the establishments.

Naturally, this story was absolute catnip for the right-wing media industrial complex. Fox News and its sister channel Fox Business began covering it immediately after the Post report dropped, frequently featuring prominent Republicansincluding Maherexpressing their outrage over Democrats putting the needs of "illegal immigrants" over homeless vets. Newsmax followed suit shortly after.

"It's an embarrassment, a slap in the face to veterans, who are cast aside to allow for asylum seekers to come here," Maher told Fox & Friends First this week. "At the end of the day, you have combat veterans who are homeless and told to get out of their hotel, we have tried to let them know we appreciate them. We're embarrassed by what happened, but we have their backs. ".

The rhetoric coming from conservative pundits, however, was even more inflammatory.

During Monday's broadcast of Fox News midday panel show Outnumbered, for instance, Fox News contributor Lisa Marie Boothe said that this was "intentional" from President Joe Biden because "he is a globalist. " Fox News anchor Harris Faulkner added that Biden "doesn't mean it" whenever he says "God bless the troops" after a speech.

And while House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) called it "shameful" and GOP presidential hopeful Nikki Haley said this was "liberal insanity at work," other MAGA commentators went even further. "Fuck Democrats & their bullshit policies," Donald Trump Jr. Tweeted, sharing the original Post story.

However, earlier this week, local media began poking holes in the story. After Maher had provided a credit card receipt from Toney-Finch supposedly showing payment for the rooms at the Crossroads Hotel, The Mid-Hudson News reported that the hotel had no record of the transaction. Additionally, a graphics expert examined the receipt and said it appeared to be altered.

The manager of the hotel also told Mid-Hudson News that no veterans were ever at the hotel, let alone kicked out of Crossroads. No other guests had been displaced either, as the hotel had not been booked to capacity despite housing a group of migrants.

Eventually, Maher ended up denouncing the story as fake and emotionally told the Times-Union he was "devastated and disheartened" after finding out from Toney-Finch that she had made the whole thing up.

After doubt began to spread about the veracity of Toney-Finch's tale, Maher said he asked her to meet him at a local bank to get financial statements that would prove her organization paid for the veterans' rooms at the hotels. After she no-showed, he claimed he told her that he had "no choice but to report this" after she "alluded to the fact that, 'Maybe it's not exactly how I said it was. '.

In a separate conversation with the New York Post, which has since added an editor's note to its original bombshell story that kicked off this outrage cycle, Maher added that Toney-Finch said "I had to help the veterans," when he confronted her on peddling a hoax.

The story got even wilder on Friday, however, when Mid-Hudson News further reported that Toney-Finch had recruited a group of homeless men from a nearby shelter to pretend they were the military veterans that had been displaced by migrants.

"On Thursday night he met with a group of seven men at a homeless shelter," the report stated. "The men said that on Wednesday, two people came into the shelter saying they had work and needed 15 men between the ages of 40 and 60, to take a trip to meet with an elected official for a discussion on homelessness. They were each promised $200 along with food and alcohol. They were familiar with one of the recruiters, Diana, claiming she had previously stayed at the shelter. ".

YIT Foundation did not respond to The Daily Beast's request for comment.

While the New York Post has reported that the story is false and added editor's notes to other articles, Fox News has yet to address the emerging hoax on its airwaves. In fact, on Thursday night, the network was still hosting local Republicans to rage about the fake controversy. Yvette Aguiar, the town supervisor of Riverhead, told Fox News host Will Cain that the really disturbing issue with the Crossroads Hotel set me off on this journey to declare a state of emergency regarding migrants..

Fox News has not responded to a request for comment on whether they will address this story on air.

Not only has Newsmax not reported that Toney-Finch lied about homeless vets being displaced, but the network had run at least three news segments claiming "homeless US veterans have been removed from housing to make room for migrants" on Friday. Newsmax also did not respond to a request for comment.

Well hooray for the New York Post! I see from the link to the original article that the New York Post tried to check the story by contacting The Crossroads Hotel, Super 8 Hotel, and hotel where the vets allegedly were staying after they moved, but none commented prior to when the article was published. When questions arose as to the veracity of Sharon Toney-Finch, the New York Post reported the article was false.

Compare to the mainstream, left-of-center media, which are mostly silent about or distorting John Durham's report. Take for example the allegation that Trump had two prostitutes urinate on a hotel bed in the Presidential Suite of the Ritz Carlton in Moscow. The same bed that President Obama slept in. Allegedly this was filmed by Russian intelligence, and used to get Trump to do Russia's bidding.

Well, according to Durham, the likely source of this story was Clinton crony Charles Dolan!

So how many of the left-of-center newspapers and television channels have retracted their stories about "Peegate?" Wouldn't you think that the people over at MSNBC, unlike the Fox New pundits in your story, be jumping through hoops to say they'd been had? Hell no. Of course not. The only Democratic-Party-loving publication I can find that's apologizing is the Washington Post.

Democrats are every bit as guilty of spreading bull shit propaganda as Republicans.

[PVMonger]

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-stok...184955929.html

The story had all the hallmarks of fueling the maximum amount of right-wing outrage. With migrants being bused into New York City amid an immigration surge at the southern border, upstate New York hotels had supposedly kicked out homeless veterans in order to make room for the influx of asylum seekers.

After right-wing tabloid The New York Post published the sensational report last Friday, Fox News and Newsmax ran wild with it, devoting dozens of segments (and countless online articles) to the indignation of "people who served our country and need a little boost" getting displaced by "illegals," all while "these hotels are selling their soul for a check. ".

Turns out, however, the whole story was made up.

The whole saga kicked off when the Post reported that 20 "struggling homeless veterans" were booted from hotels so their rooms could be given to incoming migrants. According to Yerik Israel Toney Foundation, the nonprofit group that works on temporarily housing the vets, the ex-military members had been told by the New York hotels that they needed to vacate and move elsewhere.

"One of the vets called me on Sunday,' YIT Foundation CEO Sharon Toney-Finch told the Post last week. "he told me he had to leave because the hotel said the extended stay is not available. Then I got another call. We didn't waste any time. '.

She added: "That's when we started on Monday to organize when and where to move them all. I am glad you called me today. Last night, I was crying. ".

According to Toney-Finch at the time, 15 of the veterans had been kicked out of the Crossroads Hotel in Newburgh, a community 60 minutes north of New York City. An additional five vets were reportedly removed from two other hotels in a nearby town. She claimed that all 20 of the vets were rebooked into another hotel in Hudson Valley. The area has recently experienced an influx of migrants as New York City Mayor Eric Adams has begun busing asylum seekers to other counties that may have additional space.

GOP State Assemblyman Brian Maher initially backed Toney-Finch's story, saying that "shining a light on this is important because we need to make sure these hotels know how important it is to respect the service of our veterans before they kick {them} out of hotels to make room. " Toney-Finch, meanwhile, added that the hotels were doing this for money since NYC was paying more for migrant accommodations than her group was offering the establishments.

Naturally, this story was absolute catnip for the right-wing media industrial complex. Fox News and its sister channel Fox Business began covering it immediately after the Post report dropped, frequently featuring prominent Republicans—including Maher—expressing their outrage over Democrats putting the needs of "illegal immigrants" over homeless vets. Newsmax followed suit shortly after.

"It's an embarrassment, a slap in the face to veterans, who are cast aside to allow for asylum seekers to come here," Maher told Fox & Friends First this week. "At the end of the day, you have combat veterans who are homeless and told to get out of their hotel, we have tried to let them know we appreciate them. We're embarrassed by what happened, but we have their backs. ".

The rhetoric coming from conservative pundits, however, was even more inflammatory.

During Monday's broadcast of Fox News midday panel show Outnumbered, for instance, Fox News contributor Lisa Marie Boothe said that this was "intentional" from President Joe Biden because "he is a globalist. " Fox News anchor Harris Faulkner added that Biden "doesn't mean it" whenever he says "God bless the troops" after a speech.

And while House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) called it "shameful" and GOP presidential hopeful Nikki Haley said this was "liberal insanity at work," other MAGA commentators went even further. "Fuck Democrats & their bullshit policies," Donald Trump Jr. Tweeted, sharing the original Post story.

However, earlier this week, local media began poking holes in the story. After Maher had provided a credit card receipt from Toney-Finch supposedly showing payment for the rooms at the Crossroads Hotel, The Mid-Hudson News reported that the hotel had no record of the transaction. Additionally, a graphics expert examined the receipt and said it appeared to be altered.

The manager of the hotel also told Mid-Hudson News that no veterans were ever at the hotel, let alone kicked out of Crossroads. No other guests had been displaced either, as the hotel had not been booked to capacity despite housing a group of migrants.

Eventually, Maher ended up denouncing the story as fake and emotionally told the Times-Union he was "devastated and disheartened" after finding out from Toney-Finch that she had made the whole thing up.

After doubt began to spread about the veracity of Toney-Finch's tale, Maher said he asked her to meet him at a local bank to get financial statements that would prove her organization paid for the veterans' rooms at the hotels. After she no-showed, he claimed he told her that he had "no choice but to report this" after she "alluded to the fact that, 'Maybe it's not exactly how I said it was. '.

In a separate conversation with the New York Post, which has since added an editor's note to its original bombshell story that kicked off this outrage cycle, Maher added that Toney-Finch said "I had to help the veterans," when he confronted her on peddling a hoax.

The story got even wilder on Friday, however, when Mid-Hudson News further reported that Toney-Finch had recruited a group of homeless men from a nearby shelter to pretend they were the military veterans that had been displaced by migrants.

"On Thursday night he met with a group of seven men at a homeless shelter," the report stated. "The men said that on Wednesday, two people came into the shelter saying they had work and needed 15 men between the ages of 40 and 60, to take a trip to meet with an elected official for a discussion on homelessness. They were each promised $200 along with food and alcohol. They were familiar with one of the recruiters, Diana, claiming she had previously stayed at the shelter. ".

YIT Foundation did not respond to The Daily Beast's request for comment.

While the New York Post has reported that the story is false and added editor's notes to other articles, Fox News has yet to address the emerging hoax on its airwaves. In fact, on Thursday night, the network was still hosting local Republicans to rage about the fake controversy. Yvette Aguiar, the town supervisor of Riverhead, told Fox News host Will Cain that the “really disturbing” issue with the Crossroads Hotel “set me off on this journey” to declare a state of emergency regarding migrants..

Fox News has not responded to a request for comment on whether they will address this story on air.

Not only has Newsmax not reported that Toney-Finch lied about homeless vets being displaced, but the network had run at least three news segments claiming "homeless US veterans have been removed from housing to make room for migrants" on Friday. Newsmax also did not respond to a request for comment.

[Tiny 12]

Pence and Biden found the documents themselves, reported them, returned them. Trump stole them, lied about them, hid them, instructed his attorneys to lie, obstructed the investigation, lied more and undoubtedly gave them to Putin.

Biden's working for the Chinese and Trump's working for the Russians. Damn it, we're fucked.

[EihTooms]

Pence and Biden found the documents themselves, reported them, returned them. Trump stole them, lied about them, hid them, instructed his attorneys to lie, obstructed the investigation, lied more and undoubtedly gave them to Putin.

Yes. One would think Tiny's very smart, sensibly and justifiably partisan Dem attorney friend would have set aside 30 seconds of his busy day to explain that colossal difference between the Biden / Pence case and the Trump case. Maybe he has just given up trying to explain every important and significant detail about everything for his Repub / Bothsider / Neithersider friends. I know the feeling.

[John Clayton]

... Then what do we do with Joe Biden and Mike Pence? They undoubtedly violated classified records laws too....

Pence and Biden found the documents themselves, reported them, returned them. Trump stole them, lied about them, hid them, instructed his attorneys to lie, obstructed the investigation, lied more and undoubtedly gave them to Putin.

[Tiny 12]

People use "banana republic" as a crutch to say that a President can't possibly commit crimes. ALL human are capable of committing crimes.

All Americans DO commit crimes. Harvey Silverglate, the attorney, board member of the ACLU, and former Harvard Law school professor who wrote "Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent", says we commit an average of three crimes a day. We incarcerate more people per capita than any other country in the world. The Republicans want to put the Democratic Politicians in jail, and the Democrats want to put the Republican Politicians in jail. Democrats want to incarcerate white businessmen, and Republicans want to jail young black men.

A friend who's an attorney, a Democrat, and more partisan than Tooms believes the most likely reason Trump will go to jail will be because of the classified records violations. Well, say we throw him in the slammer for that. Then what do we do with Joe Biden and Mike Pence? They undoubtedly violated classified records laws too.

You put Trump in front of a jury in Washington, D.C. and there's a pretty good chance he'll be convicted even if the prosecution has a weak case. Ditto for Biden in Amarillo, Texas.

I believe you need a damn good reason to put an ex-president in jail. And like I said, there may be one related to Trump's post 2020 election shenanigans. As to confidential records and Stormy Daniels, that's just nuts. If Trump gets convicted on those charges then yeah, it's a sign we're becoming a banana republic. And yes, maybe the Donald contributed as much to that as anyone. Remember he tried to get the Justice Department to prosecute Hillary Clinton. Since I'm the founder of the Free Markets Church of Tiny, I'll quote a couple of relevant Biblical passages here,

He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth

Well, I say bull shit to that. Somebody just needs to say enough is enough and stop trying to put the other side in jail.

[CheckMate1]

I can't argue with that. I don't know whether the idea to publish all trades in real time is a Checkmate original, but if so kudos. That's a great idea.

I'm not sure whether or not I agree with "1". Here in the United States of America, we haven't ever sent an ex President to jail. That's part of what separates us from banana republics. We shouldn't even have to think about this. But Trump may have crossed the line after the 2020 election.

People use "banana republic" as a crutch to say that a President can't possibly commit crimes. ALL human are capable of committing crimes.

[Tiny 12]

They are the governors of their states, within their rights to govern the way they want. So, no, I would not call them that. People can argue whether that's poor judgement or not, but that's the extend of the discord.

I think a way to get rid of corruption, or potential of, is to create a new amendment that states:

1. President's term in office is immunized, and statute of limitations of all crimes, with the exception of murder, shall begin at the end of the president's term. If convicted, all former presidential perks will be rescinded and disqualify from all future public post. This will provide the disincentive of doing something corrupt while in office. It does beg the question of "is anyone above the law?" However, it clears the wishy washy way of how the DOJ interpret their own standing on not to prosecute a sitting president.

2. Supreme Court Justices. Can not accept any gift from anyone.

3. (I think this is the biggest issue) Member of Congress / Senate; President; Supreme Court Justices shall have all assets managed in a blind trust or be published to the public. All trades would be reveal in real time by the brokerage firms.

I can't argue with that. I don't know whether the idea to publish all trades in real time is a Checkmate original, but if so kudos. That's a great idea.

I'm not sure whether or not I agree with "1". Here in the United States of America, we haven't ever sent an ex President to jail. That's part of what separates us from banana republics. We shouldn't even have to think about this. But Trump may have crossed the line after the 2020 election.