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05-26-23 17:04 #12359I actually donated to Hillary's campaign in 2016. I wish she'd won. Republicans would have done much better in the 2020 election if Hillary had been president. People vote based on the state of the economy, and the economy was going to suck regardless of who was president during the COVID pandemic. Also the Republican Party cannot do well in elections as long as Trump is its figurehead.
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With more Republicans in Congress, there would have been no American Rescue Plan, which kickstarted inflation. And which when combined with other legislation, all passed by a Democrat President and Congress, will result in 5 trillion in additional unfunded spending. It's the bankrupting of America.
Hillary might just have turned out like Bill Clinton in his second term, that is, willing to work with Republicans for the good of all Americans, instead of being willing to work with far left progressives like Elizabeth Warren for the benefit of no one except special interests, like renewable energy companies, chip manufacturers and contractors. That's what Biden's doing. Remember that the last time we balanced the budget was under Bill Clinton and a Republican House.
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05-26-23 14:30 #12358
Who are those 4% numbskulls?
LOL. Who are the numbskull journalists in that 4% whose job it is to actually follow, research, observe, know and report the mechanics of a complex national economy, national security, etc and the current as well as historical results of such yet still give donations to Repubs anyway? And to Trump of all Repub grifters and clowns! Originally Posted by Tiny12
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I mean, it is understandable that they spin headlines and stories to lift Repub policy results to at least look vaguely within a "Bothsider / Neithersider" shot of keeping the horse race neck in neck to the finish. Their business model requires it.
But with their family, friends and neighbors' jobs, home values, household wealth and security on the line re those Repub donations?
I guess it takes all kinds. LOL.
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05-26-23 13:58 #12357
That is plausible
It is also plausible that 97% of donations from people who don't know anything about anything and couldn't even discern the difference between a Great Repub Recession / Massive Jobs Destruction and a Great Dem Expansion / Historic Jobs Creation went to Trump in 2016 and in 2020 as well as to every Repub since Hoover. Originally Posted by Tiny12
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05-26-23 01:06 #12356Sorry, I meant to write 96% of donations to either Clinton or Trump from journalists between January, 2015 and August, 2016 went to Clinton. Originally Posted by Tiny12
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05-26-23 00:43 #12355OK, granted, my earlier characterization, "the likely source of this story was Clinton crony Charles Dolan," is more accurate. You're a smart guy. As to this one controversy though, "Peegate", you look either marginally more informed or marginally less naive than the tens of millions of Americans who believe Donald Trump won the 2020 election. Originally Posted by Xpartan
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If you're going to call the Durham Report a Republican Party hit piece, you should be able tell us why the Mueller Report was not a Democratic Party hit piece, in a more substantive way than Tooms did. Convicting people for lying, failing to register as foreign lobbyists, tax evasion, and giving your attorney money to keep an affair quiet won't cut it.
OK, here's the Cliff Notes version, which I've mostly copied and pasted. You really need to read the sections about Danchenko and Dolan in the report to get a good flavor for what happened. See bold text in particular for Dolan's involvement. Add to what follows that Trump never slept in the presidential suite at the Ritz Carlton.
From 2005 through 2010, Igor Danchenko worked as an analyst at the Brookings Institution in Washington, District of Columbia.
In approximately 2010, Brookings Fellow-I introduced Danchenko to Christopher Steele. Steele retained Danchenko as a contractor for his London-based firm, Orbis Business Intelligence.
As discussed in more detail below, from January 2017 through October 2020, and as part of its efforts to determine the truth or falsity of specific information in the Steele Reports, the FBI conducted multiple interviews of Danchenko regarding, among other things, the allegations that he provided to Steele that ultimately formed the core of the Steele Reports. During these extensive interviews, Danchenko was unable to provide the FBI with corroborating evidence for any of the substantive allegations contained in the Steele Reports. In fact, Danchenko claimed that the Ritz Carlton allegations he provided to Steele were nothing more than "rumor and speculation," and that most of the information he gathered for Steele was the product of casual conversation with people in his social circle, including those parts ofthe Steele Reports used in the Page FISA applications.
Danchenko Employer-! Executive-!, an ethnic Russian, described Danchenko as someone who was "boastful ... having low credibility, and a person who liked to embellish his purported contacts with the Kremlin."
Banking and other records also show that from January of 2016 through June 2021, Danchenko received over $436,000 in wire transfers from European businesses, including from Orbis and other entities affiliated with Orbis. These money transfers were in addition to the money that Orbis sent through Danchenko Employer-I to fund Danchenko's salary. (Remember Orbis is Steele's company. Orbis was channeling part of its payments to Danchenko through Employer-I in a scheme to allow Danchenko to obtain a U.S. visa.)
Danchenko was a known entity to the FBI in December 2016 when he was identified as Steele's primary sub-source. As publicly reported, Danchenko was the subject of an FBI counterespionage investigation from 2009 to 2011. 719 In late 2008, while employed by the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C., Danchenko engaged two fellow employees ("Brookings Researcher- I" and "Brookings Researcher-2") at a happy hour about whether one of the employees might be willing or able in the future to provide classified information in exchange for money.
According to Brookings Researcher- I, Danchenko believed that he (Brookings Researcher-I) might also enter the Obama administration with the foreign policy advisor and have access to classified information. During this exchange, Danchenko informed Brookings Researcher- I that he (Danchenko) had access to people who would be willing to pay money for classified inforrnation.
Based on the information provided by Brookings Researcher-I, the FBI's Baltimore Field Office initiated a preliminary espionage investigation into Danchenko. 728 Two Baltimore Field
Office Agents led the investigation into Danchenko ("Baltimore Case Agent- I" and "Baltimore Case Agent-2"). Brian Auten, who was at the time an Intelligence Analyst (IA) as opposed to a
Supervisory IA, provided Headquarters analytical support to the investigation. The FBI converted its investigation of Danchenko into a "full investigation" after learning that Danchenko (i) had been identified as an associate oftwo other FBI espionage subjects, and (ii) had previous contact with the Russian Embassy and known Russian intelligence officers. 729 In
particular, the FBI learned that in September 2006, Danchenko informed one Russian intelligence officer that he had an interest in entering the Russian diplomatic service. Four
days later, the intelligence officer contacted Danchenko and informed him that they could meet that day to work "on the documents and then think about future plans.'' In October 2006,
Danchenko contacted the intelligence officer "so the documents can be placed in (the followingday's) diplomatic mail pouch
The person described in the following was a classmate of Danchenko's at Georgetown who interned with an intelligence agency:
On one occasion, Danchenko inquired about the person's knowledge of a specific Russian military matter. That same person stated, in sum, that Danchenko informed her that he served in the Russian army and worked with rockets, but at the time worked on "special" matters. Danchenko also told this person that his Russian passport listed him as GRU (the Russian military intelligence service) because of his language skills. Based on these encounters, the individual believed that Danchenko was working for a Russian intelligence service.
Up next, Danchenko becomes a paid informant for the FBI!
Danchenko was interviewed by the FBI in January 2017 following his identification in December 2016 as Steele's primary sub-source. FBI materials reviewed by the Office revealed
that the primary purpose for the FBI's initial engagement with Danchenko in January 2017 was to recruit him as a paid CHS (confidential human source). If this recruitment was successful, the FBI planned to mine Danchenko for information that was corroborative of the damaging allegations about Presidentelect Trump in the Steele Reports.
The FBI granted him immunity, with the idea of having Danchenko identify his sources and provide evidence to corroborate the Steele Reports.
However....Danchenko was not able to provide any corroborative evidence related to any substantive allegation contained in the Steele Reports - and critically- was unable to corroborate any of the FBI's assertions contained in the Carter Page FISA applications.
So what does the FBI do, despite it's knowledge of the preceding, and its knowledge that Danchenko allegedly was working for Russian intelligence? They engage Danchenko as a paid informant! They pay him $220,000 over a 3 and a half year period.
Now, about Charles Dolan,
When interviewed by the FBI in June 2017, Danchenko failed to disclose the role a U.S. based individual named Charles Dolan played in the reporting Danchenko provided for inclusion
in the Steele Reports. In particular, Danchenko denied that Dolan provided any specific information contained in the Steele Reports. However, Dolan acknowledged to the Office that
he provided information to Danchenko related to Paul Manafort's firing as Trump campaign manager.Dolan further ad mitted to the Office that this allegation, which appears in Steele
Report 2016/105, was fabricated.
Charles Dolan is a public relations professional who in 2016 was employed by a Washington, D.C.-based public relations firm called kglobal. In addition to his work as a
public relations professional, Dolan had previously served as (i) Executive Director of the Democratic Governors Association, (ii) Virginia Chairman of former President C!inton' s 1992
and 1996 presidential campaigns, and (iii) an advisor to Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign. Moreover, beginning in 1997, President Clinton appointed Dolan to two four-year
terms on the State Department's U.S. Advisory Commission on Public Diplomacy.
Just when you think this story can't get more bizarre, Dolan was a hired gun for Russia. He was gathering intelligence and passing it back to the Russian government.
In April 2016, Dolan asked Danchenko to assist Dolan and U.S. Person- I with the YPO (Opportunities in Russia) conference, which Danchenko agreed to do. Dolan believed that Danchenko's language skills and his supposed contacts in the Russian government would be of assistance to the conference. Dolan subsequently asked and received permission from U.S. Person-I to enlist Danchenko to assist with logistics, provide translation services, and present on various relevant topics at the YPO Conference. In preparation for the YPO Conference, Dolan and U.S. Person-I planned to travel to Moscow in June 2016 to view the Ritz Carlton and other potential sites for the conference (the "June Planning Trip"). At the same time, Danchenko informed Dolan that he (Danchenko) would be present in Moscow in June on other business.
The report goes on to document that Steele almost certainly received certain information, indirectly, that only could have originated with Dolan.
Dolan says in a message to an acquaintance,
On Monday night I fly to Moscow and will meet with a Russian guy (Danchenko) who is working with me on a couple of projects. He also works for a group of former MI 6 guys in London who do intelligence for businesses. Send me your questions and I'll pass them on to Igor. He owes me as his Visa is being held up and I am having a word with the Ambassador.
Danchenko (who was present in Moscow at the same time as Dolan, in June, 2016), did not stay at the Ritz Carlton during the June Planning Trip - a fact that was
confirmed by hotel records.
While in Moscow, Dolan and U.S. Person-I participated in, among other things, (i) a meeting with the German-national general manager ofthe Ritz Carlton, and at least one female
hotel staff member to discuss the logistics of the YPO Conference, (ii) a lunch with the general manager and three hotel staff members who assisted in the preparations for the YPO conference,
and (iii) a tour of the hotel. As discussed in detail below, the general manager and other hotel staff members would later appear in the Steele Reports.
According to
Dolan, Danchenko was not present for any events at the Ritz Carlton during the June Planning Trip
On June 15, 2016, Dolan emailed an acquaintance from Moscow: "I'm in Russia making plans to be adopted in the event this mad man (Trump) gets e!ected."
So, Dolan and Danchenko are in Moscow at the same time and are talking. Dolan's staying at the Ritz Carlton and talking to hotel staff and probably passing on info to Danchenko, who's working for Steele, who's preparing a hit piece for Hillary Clinton to use against Donald Trump. A few days later, Steele issues one of his reports. It alleges,
According to Source D (Danchenko), wheres/he had been present, TRUMP's (perverted) conduct in Moscow included hiring the presidential suite ofthe Ritz Carlton,
where he knew President and Mrs OBAMA (whom he hated) had stayed on one oftheir official trips to Russia, and defiling the bed where they had slept by
employing a number of prostitutes to perform 'golden showers' ( urination) shows in front of him. The hotel was known to be under FSB control with microphones
and concealed cameras in all the main rooms to record anything they wanted to.
The Ritz Carlton episode involving TRUMP reported above was confirmed by Source E, a senior (western) member of staff at the hotel, who said thats/he and
several of the staff were aware of it at the time and subsequently. S/he believed it had happened in 2013. Source E provided an introduction for a company ethnic
Russian operative to Source F, a female staffer at the hotel when TRUMP had stayed there, who also confirmed the story.
Certain ofthe information in the June 20, 20 l 6 Steele Report reflected facts that Dolan learned during the June Planning Trip to Moscow. For example, while at the Ritz Carlton, Dolan
(1) received a tour ofthe hotel and (according to Dolan) possibly the Presidential Suite, and (2) met with the senior Westem member of staff - in context the general manager - and other staff
ofthe Ritz Carlton. As noted, Danchenko did not stay at the Ritz Carlton in June 2016, but had lunch with Dolan during the June Planning Trip at some other location.
Here's the part that has people convinced Dolan was the source. Please note the next to last sentence in the next paragraph, in particular,
Notably, when interviewed by the Office, U.S. Person- I recalled he and Dolan took a tour of the Presidential Suite. Following his initial interview with the Office, Dolan called
U.S. Person-I and U.S. Person-I confirmed that he (U.S. Person-I) and Dolan had in fact taken a tour ofthe Presidential Suite. During that tour, a hotel staff member told the participants that
Trump had previously been a guest in the Presidential Suite. According to U.S. Person-I, the staff member informed them that Donald Trump had stayed in the Suite, but did not mention any
sexual or salacious activity. When interviewed by the Office, Dolan's recollection about taking a tour ofthe Presidential suite at the Ritz Carlton was inconsistent and his recollection
vacillated over the course of several interviews. Dolan stated, in sum, that it was possible that he (Dolan) told Danchenko about the Presidential Suite and Trump, but he had no specific
recollection of doing so. Dolan was adamant that he never told Danchenko about any salacious sexual activity that occurred in the suite.
The Office also interviewed the then-general Manager of the Ritz-Carlton Moscow. The general manager, a German citizen who does not speak Russian, was described in the Steele
Report as a "senior (western) member of staff at the hotel and identified as "Source E." The general manager did not recognize the photograph of Danchenko he was shown by the Office.
He also denied having knowledge ofthe Ritz-Carlton allegations concerning Trump at any time prior to their being reported in the media. 856 As such, the general manager adamantly denied
discussing such allegations with, or hearing them from, Danchenko, or anyone else. Further, the Office obtained records from the Ritz Carlton Moscow that reveal that Trump was a guest at
the hotel in 2013, but did not stay in the Presidential Suite then or at any other time.
When interviewed by the FBI in January 2017, Danchenko claimed that he had sourced this information, in part, while staying at the Ritz-Carlton Moscow during the June Planning
Trip. While Danchenko initially told the FBI that he had been a guest at the Ritz-Carlton Moscow during the June Planning Trip, in a later interview, he acknowledged that he had visited,
but not stayed at, the hotel during that June Planning Trip. (See how his story changed.) Danchenko also claimed that he inquired about the Ritz-Carlton allegations with hotel staff who did not deny their validity. Finally, Danchenko told the FBI that he reported the names of these hotel staff members to Christopher Steele. In his September 2017 interview, Steele also told the FBI that "Source E"
and "Source F" were employees at the Ritz Carlton Moscow with whom his primary sub-source
(Danchenko) personally met.
The Office found the general manager's statement that he never met with Danchenko to be credible, especially in light of his well-spoken, thoughtful demeanor, and his confidence in his
recollections. Based on the above analysis, the only person who met with both Danchenko and the Ritz Carlton general manager (and the other managers) during the June Planning Trip was Dolan.
In light of these facts, there appears to be a real likelihood that Dolan was the actual source of much of the Ritz Carlton and Pavlov information contained in the Steele Reports.
About a meeting Dolan had the following month, in July, 2016, in Cyprus,
During the July 2016 meetings in Cyprus, Dolan gave Galkina an autobiography of Clinton, which he signed and inscribed with the handwritten message, "To my good friend Olga, A Great Democrat"
On July 22, 2016, Dolan sent an email to Galkina and informed her that he would be attending a reception for Hillary Clinton. Shortly thereafter, Galkina responded: "Tell her
please she (Clinton)has a big fan in Cyprus. Can I please ask you to sign for me her (anything)." In August 2016, Galkina sent a message to a Russia-based associate describing
Dolan as an "advisor" to Hillary Clinton. Galkina further commented regarding what might happen if Clinton were to win the U.S. presidential election, stating in Russian, "When Dolan
takes me off to the State Department to handle issues of the former USSR, then we'll see who is looking good and who is not."
Galkina made the same assertion to another person, and in a message sent the day before the November, 2020 election, wrote Dolan that she hopes Hillary and all her supporters have a great Victory day.
The report goes on to document instances, unrelated to Peegate, where Dolan is undoubtedly, directly or indirectly, one of Steele's sources. They're mostly related to Manafort.
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05-26-23 00:01 #12354
So what else is new
Do you know who else said that the press is the enemy of the people? Hitler did. Stalin called all of his enemies "enemies of the people". So did Mao. So did Hoxha of Albania. So did the one-term, twice-impeached, convicted-of-sexual-assault former guy. Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1
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05-25-23 23:28 #12353The respondents were certainly right about media coverage favoring Democrats. From your link, Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1
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"Does news media coverage of politics generally tend to favor Democrats or Republicans?" Only 20 percent said Republicans, while 52 percent accurately said Democrats. Even 39 percent of Democrats said the news media favor Democrats. Conversely, only 21 percent of Democrats said the media favored Republicans. "
From a Ballotpedia fact check, 96% of of donations to either Clinton or Trump between January, 2015 and August, 2016 went to Clinton,
https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/D...o_to_Democrats
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05-25-23 19:23 #12352
Statistics and Polls
STATISTICS: Every statistic can be bent to represent some positive aspects of your position. Originally Posted by EihTooms
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Ex1: 9 out of 10 doctors say that smoking cause cancer. Reported: Not every doctor agrees with smoking as a cause for cancer.
EX2: Some scientists disagree with the idea that human contribute to climate change.
Instead of reading headlines and running with them, ask how many agrees and how many disagrees; then ask if a poll consists of 100 scientists, is this a good enough number to have a consensus?
POLLS: Only poll that matters is total number of votes.
People like to fill the void between elections with this shit. Tell people to vote, not how. And then when everyone voted, tabulate and present the results. We are 18 months away from the next national election. Let me give you a guarantee, things will change between now and election day. Book it!
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05-25-23 03:03 #12351 Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1
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Nevermind asking them what is the usual source of the "political news" they are getting. Fux News? Breitbart?1* Do you trust the political news you are getting?
2* Does news media coverage of politics generally tend to favor Democrats or Republicans? Or is political coverage in the news media mostly neutral and balanced?
3* Do you agree or disagree with this statement: The media are truly the enemy of the people?
Or even what they consider "political news" in the first place. "The winner of the 2020 presidential election is Joe Biden", "Today we examine the difference between a 2022 Red Tsunami and a 2022 Pink Tinkle"? Yeah, for sure if they consider accurate reports on the state of the economy over the past 100 years to be "political news", their impression would definitely be that those reports favor Democrats. Unavoidably.
I wonder what the response would have been to, "Do you believe in demons and ghosts"?
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05-24-23 22:39 #12350Did you read the full report? I won't lie to you. I'm not going to invest my valuable time into reading a 316-pages opus, which, I believe, was simply a politically-motivated attempt to discredit the FBI investigation (or rather investigations) and Mueller's report. Originally Posted by Tiny12
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But I did read the section pertaining to the above-mentioned sex scandal (starting page 144). What I have found there contradicts your statement.
You might say Dolan could've lied, and you'd be right -- he could have. But that would mean opening himself to criminal prosecution, which, again, has been done before, no arguments there. However, your assurances ("You were lied to" and "Danchenko got the story from Charles Dolan, Clinton family crony. ") are way too bold considering you have no evidence to back them up.When interviewed by the Office, Dolan's recollection about taking a tour ofthe Presidential suite at the Ritz Carlton was inconsistent and his recollection vacillated over the course of several interviews. Dolan stated, in sum, that it was possible that he (Dolan) told Danchenko about the Presidential Suite and Trump, but he had no specific recollection of doing so. Dolan was adamant that he never told Danchenko about any salacious sexual activity that occurred in the suite.
That said, if I missed something, please point me to the right passage.
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05-24-23 09:55 #12349
And water is wet
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05-22-23 10:08 #12348Yeah, but you didn't get tired of quoting the supposedly damning assertions by Maddow or anyone else on MSNBC that did not clearly qualify any all of of this, especially what you refer to as "Peegate", as unproven allegations, even at least one time where Maddow drew the allegation into question on Trump's behalf, right? Originally Posted by Tiny12
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Because you did not include any.
Maddow, in one of your first links supporting my position on it:
Did Trump send her a Thank You note for that extraordinary show of support for him and apologize to her for anything negative he ever said about her?Now on the subject of the aforementioned alleged golden showers, I just -- I just leave my body, I`ll be back in a minute. David Corn and Michael Isikoff`s new book actually I think knocks down a few pegs the odds that that particular thing ever really happened.
You do realize those links are primarily reporting what was actually happening at the time, particularly with regard to what Trump's fellow Repub liar and huge 2016 election victory asset Comey was stating, right?
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05-22-23 03:40 #12347So what were those 8 people convicted of? Answer: Two on tax charges. A couple on failing to register correctly as lobbyists. And the rest for lying. That's not counting the ridiculous charge against Cohen for an illegal campaign contribution, because he channeled money from Trump to Stormy Daniels. Originally Posted by PVMonger
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And how many of them pleaded guilty, so they wouldn't be bankrupted or suffer financial hardship from trying to defend themselves? Well, I think as many as eight.
This is a great example of Democrats' superiority when it comes to fucking over the opposite side. See bold print below.
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05-22-23 03:32 #12346https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...ip-msna1094726 Originally Posted by EihTooms
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https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...el-msna1093851
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fir...m_npd_ms_tw_ma
https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/ra...12-msna1078246
https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/ra...08-msna1048041
https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/ha...20-msna1093621
https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/th...12-msna1090256
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/...-1209855555959
Here MSNBC admits the story came from "PR-Executive 1", not Danchenko, but conveniently omits that PR-Executive 1 is Clinton crony Charles Dolan.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...m_npd_ms_tw_ma
There's lots more but I'm tired of copying and pasting.
So you're saying media outlets should promote lies about Trump because he's a bad hombre? The ends justify the means? That was the modus operandi of Machiavelli and Stalin. Or maybe you mean that paying hookers to piss on beds that your political opponents slept in is a great way to appeal to voters? But that would be ridiculous. Originally Posted by EihTooms
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05-22-23 03:20 #12345You were lied to. Danchenko got the story from Charles Dolan, Clinton family crony. Trump never stayed in the Ritz Carlton Presidential Suite, which is where Obama stayed when he was in Moscow. See pages 140 to 148 of Durham's report: Originally Posted by Xpartan
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https://www.justice.gov/storage/durhamreport.pdf
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