American Politics

[ErsatzJulian]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-appeal.html

"Cole, 18, said she was coerced into taking puberty blockers and having both breasts surgically removed when she was 15, and warned of other minors being misdiagnosed and pushed into similar operations. "

Faced with the factual reality above, do you withdraw your previous comment?

How is this factual reality? The Daily Mail is not the most reliable source and it has a history of publishing inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research, so I would not point to it to assert that something is true.

This is a one-sided story in which you never hear from the other side. For all you know, Chloe Cole finds it more worthwhile now to be the poster child for conservatives against gender-affirming care that she is misrepresenting her position about the sex-change operation when she was about to undergo it.

[Elvis 2008]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...l-trump-arrest

700 NYPD Riot Cops Mobilized, Steel Barriers Deployed Ahead Of Potential Trump Arrest.

The New York Police Department (NYPD) has mobilized 700 riot cops and deployed steel barricades around the Manhattan Criminal Court in anticipation of civil disorder, should the Manhattan District Attorney's office order the arrest of former President Donald Trump, following a potential grand jury indictment for allegedly paying a former porn star for her silence ahead of his 2016 presidential campaign.

We have a case against Trump by a Soros backed New York the who literally lets criminals off with a slap on the wrist prosecuting a six year old federal charge that is beyond the statue of limitations. This charge was already looked into by the Feds and blown off, and the the's star witnesses are a felon and a porn star.

And so here we go again. You can just imagine what the Democratic douches will say, "It is the law" when in truth there is no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump paid the porn star and when it comes to the law and Democrats, they miraculously are never prosecuted.

The larger point though that the Democratic douches miss is now when Trump runs, you are no longer voting for Trump but against the swamp and for elections where voters and not Soros backed DAs choose who is president.

If you want us to believe the 2020 election was the fairest in history, ha ha, then the Dems should be welcoming Trump running again. The fact that they are pulling this legal crap just shows me what chicken shit cowards they really are, and that they believe that this time they cannot fix an election like the last one.

[CheckMate1]

Nobody need be thrown in jail. As Big Tech are platforms not publishers according to Section 230, large fines can be levied on them, increasing steeply with each infraction. Soon these fines will reach tens or hundreds of millions. If they are unpaid, the platform itself will be seized by the government, as is the case with a house on which fees and taxes are unpaid for a long period of time, and will be auctioned off to a new owner.

I'm confident that the owners of Big Tech would rather ensure First Amendment rights than potentially face hundreds of millions in fines and the ultimate loss of their platforms.

Alternatively, they may forego Section 230 protections, declare themselves publishers, and leave themselves open to legal action over anything written or said on them.

What they cannot keep doing is pretending to be neutral platforms while censoring and pushing woke Globohomo leftist Agenda.

Both, political and hate speech are equally protected. If hate speech is protected under the 1st amendment, and any private ("platform") businesses can prevent those under their own rules and guidelines, would the government fine these businesses and seize their companies as well? You, Chris P or me, can't pick and choose which speech should be allowed and disallowed by private companies.

You would be okay with a government taking over private businesses? This sounds a lot like third world dictatorship stuff than capitalism.

Even if you assume that the government can levy fines on this situation, you wouldn't think a "Big Tech" company would fight this in court?

For better or for worse, big businesses, unlike the average american, have more leverage and deeper pocket to fight these.

And it is the plantiff (s) which has to prove that they have been harmed, which is steep hill to climb. Who would be the plantiff (s)?

Not a single case has made its way to the Supreme Court regarding First Amendment against ANY Social Media companies. This is why I see this as non event.

[Elvis 2008]

hat they cannot keep doing is pretending to be neutral platforms while censoring and pushing woke Globohomo leftist Agenda.

Yeah, look at this nonsense called the Great Virality project.

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi

Taibbi wrote, "I dutifully got the vaccine and all boosters. The Virality Project (VP) shows a clear desire to deamplify or cover up true stories of side effects and is the first thing I've read that's made me think twice about the shot. Trying to force trust, they had the opposite effect."

4. All were characterized as "potential violations" or disinformation "events" by the Virality Project, a sweeping, cross-platform effort to monitor billons of social media posts by Stanford University, federal agencies, and a slew of (often state-funded) NGOs.

31. The Virality Project was specifically not based on "assertions of fact," but public submission to authority, acceptance of narrative, and pronouncements by figures like Anthony Fauci. The project's central / animating concept was, "You can't handle the truth. "

33. "This continual process of seeding doubt and uncertainty in authoritative voices," Graphika wrote, in a report sent to Twitter, "leads to a society that finds it too challenging to identify what's true or false. ".

35. A Cleveland Clinic study showed previous infection offered the "same immunity" as the vaccine, but VP said discovery was susbservient to narrative: "Whether or not. Scientific consensus is changing, 'natural immunity' is a key narrative. Among anti-vaccine activists. ".

34. For this reason, the CDC-partnered project focused often on disinformation "events" involving Fauci, saying "release of Fauci's emails foments distrust," and deriding assertions he "misled the public. ".

30. Even in its final report, VP claimed it was misinformation to suggest the vaccine does not prevent transmission, or that governments are planning to introduce vaccine passports. Both things turned out to be true.

24. The VP in April 2021 mistakenly described "breakthrough" infections as "extremely rare events" that should not be inferred to mean "vaccines are ineffective. ".

26. A few months later: "Breakthrough cases are happening. "

21. VP warned against people "just asking questions," implying it was a tactic "commonly used by spreaders of misinformation. " It also described a "Worldwide Rally for Freedom planned over Telegram" as a disinformation event.

20. The Virality Project helped pioneer the gauging of "disinformation" by audience response. If the post-vaccine death of a black woman named Drene Keyes in Virginia went unnoticed inspired mostly "anti-vaccine" comments on local media, it became a "disinformation" event.

16. VP routinely framed real testimonials about side effects as misinformation, from "true stories" of blood clots from AstraZeneca vaccines to a New York Times story about vaccine recipients who contracted the blood disorder thrombocytopenia.

14. VP told Twitter that "true stories that could fuel hesitancy," including things like "celebrity deaths after vaccine" or the closure of a central NY school due to reports of post-vaccine illness, should be considered "Standard Vaccine Misinformation on Your Platform. "

Add this all up and what you have is a government backed initiative with NGOs and Stanford spreading massive misinformation, downplaying the risk of Covid vaccines, exaggerating their benefits, and all while, big pharma racks up huge $. This is a horrific example of the damage censorship can do.

And poor Matt is back up in Congress and the Dems are hammering him instead of those people lying about Covid and the vaccine. I actually think Covid is going to be a big issue in 2024. The fact that the lab leak and China were downplayed because of dollars thrown at the Biden family and the fact that Desantis and not Trump stood up to these full of shit, dictatorial, medical bureaucrats.

[Chris P]

"Which is why the First Amendment must be enforced upon them for it to have any meaning. ".

Spin it how you want, to advocate that a government throw a person in jail; or company in jail for publishing or not publishing opinions, thoughts, facts, is against the 1st Amendment you are fighting to protect.

You are advocating that the GOVERNMENT forces certain businesses to publish stuff on their website, and that they can not regulate themselves.

Nobody need be thrown in jail. As Big Tech are platforms not publishers according to Section 230, large fines can be levied on them, increasing steeply with each infraction. Soon these fines will reach tens or hundreds of millions. If they are unpaid, the platform itself will be seized by the government, as is the case with a house on which fees and taxes are unpaid for a long period of time, and will be auctioned off to a new owner.

I'm confident that the owners of Big Tech would rather ensure First Amendment rights than potentially face hundreds of millions in fines and the ultimate loss of their platforms.

Alternatively, they may forego Section 230 protections, declare themselves publishers, and leave themselves open to legal action over anything written or said on them.

What they cannot keep doing is pretending to be neutral platforms while censoring and pushing woke Globohomo leftist Agenda.

[CheckMate1]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-appeal.html

"Cole, 18, said she was coerced into taking puberty blockers and having both breasts surgically removed when she was 15, and warned of other minors being misdiagnosed and pushed into similar operations. "

Faced with the factual reality above, do you withdraw your previous comment?

If that family was deceived by the physician, they should sue the hell out of that doctor.

What is convoluted about this discussion is using buzz words to make a point. "Genital Mutulations".

Total (mastectomy with prior gender dysphoria diagnosis) is 282 between age 13-17 in 2021. https://www.reuters.com/investigates...ansyouth-data/ Under subtitle "Top Surgeries".

Total number of breast augmentation between age 13-19 in 2020 is 3233 https://www.plasticsurgery.org/docum...13-19-2020.pdf.

No 2021 data, and the age is 2 years of "adulthood" so that will skewed the data. Assuming 90% are between 18-19, you still have over 300 underage augmentations. This is why artificial creating crisis usinging buzz words is so bad. It isn't about genital mutulations, it is about elected surgeries that people get. Parental consents before adult age is how these surgeries are legally performed.

As for people who regret that they had surgeries, LIFE decisions are very important.

[CheckMate1]

Firstly, the FBI knew perfectly well it had nothing to do with Russia. Your suggestion that the poor, helpless, hapless little FBI had no idea what was going on is entirely laughable. The feds had had the laptop for some time and were certain that it was authentic, as we all now know. That they hid this fact for political reasons is one of the reasons the organization needs to be disbanded.

Secondly, yes, the fact is that information distribution has become so dominated by Twitter, Facebook and Google that if those organizations collude (with, disgracefully, the politicized FBI) to ban and block something it has little chance of getting out to the wider public. They are the new public square. Which is why the First Amendment must be enforced upon them for it to have any meaning.

"That they hid this fact for political reasons is one of the reasons the organization needs to be disbanded. ".

You said reasons, what are the others?

"Which is why the First Amendment must be enforced upon them for it to have any meaning. ".

Spin it how you want, to advocate that a government throw a person in jail; or company in jail for publishing or not publishing opinions, thoughts, facts, is against the 1st Amendment you are fighting to protect.

You are advocating that the GOVERNMENT forces certain businesses to publish stuff on their website, and that they can not regulate themselves.

[EihTooms]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-appeal.html

"Cole, 18, said she was coerced into taking puberty blockers and having both breasts surgically removed when she was 15, and warned of other minors being misdiagnosed and pushed into similar operations. "

Faced with the factual reality above, do you withdraw your previous comment?

"They kind of watered it down", said a girl who voluntarily chose breast removal at age 15 and that is your long, long, long researched evidence that some mysterious group is targeting children with tranny propaganda then chopping their dicks and tits off?

Seriously?

"They are literally chopping off the private parts of young kids." - Said Mega Liar Donald Trump wannabe Ron DeSantis.

MOSTLY FALSE.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ens-not-young/

We found no examples of "young kids" receiving transition-related surgery. The Florida Department of Health differentiates between children - under 10 - and adolescents - between 10 and 18. DeSantis' office provided PolitiFact with two cases involving adolescents.
....
That is not true under any existing medical guidelines," said Dr. Jack Turban, assistant professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the University of California, San Francisco. "No medical or surgical interventions are considered for prepubertal children."

The governor's office sent PolitiFact two examples of people who received transition-related surgeries in their mid to late teenage years one at 15 and one at 17. DeSantis' Florida Department of Health differentiates between children (under 10) and adolescents (10-18).

BTW, what is a baby?

[Chris P]

Insanity ought to be redefined to include you thinking any such legislation, law or government supported movement is doing what your fever dream nightmares apparently conjured up all on their own.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-appeal.html

"Cole, 18, said she was coerced into taking puberty blockers and having both breasts surgically removed when she was 15, and warned of other minors being misdiagnosed and pushed into similar operations. "

Faced with the factual reality above, do you withdraw your previous comment?

[EihTooms]

Not really. The word "lover" can be used by men or women. Rather different from targeting children with tranny propaganda then chopping their dicks and tits off.

But given your, ahem, "fluid" stance on this matter, I'm starting to realize why you decided to live in Thailand. No hate here buddy. You do you. Just leave the kids out of it.

Insanity ought to be redefined to include you thinking any such legislation, law or government supported movement is doing what your fever dream nightmares apparently conjured up all on their own.

Here's a better questiion that actually pertains to real legislation and real laws and a real movement that authoritarian Big Big Big Government wingers want to force upon real people;.

What is a baby?

[Elvis 2008]

There are several definitions.

No, a definition is definitive. A woman is an adult female. Period. And a rose by any other name is still a rose.

My own opinion is that a woman is a person that believes they are a woman

Belief should have nothing to do with definitions, and the notion an adult female and adult male who thinks they are a woman are the same is insane. Trans men need a name, and they can pick whatever name they want to call themselves, but woman is off limits.

The problem with when you go fooling around with existing definitions of words is tyranny is so easily accomplished. When words and definitions are subjected to opinion, the value of law is quickly eroded, and tyranny is all but ensured.

[Chris P]

Biologically, sure, why not?

Are you really so confused, aggrieved and aggravated over what to do about pronouns in the English language that it has turned your world view upside down and inside out?

Poor thing. Do you know that the word for boyfriend and girlfriend is the same in the Thai language?

If you lived here you might have needed to be talked down off the ledge several times by now over just that one issue.

Not really. The word "lover" can be used by men or women. Rather different from targeting children with tranny propaganda then chopping their dicks and tits off.

But given your, ahem, "fluid" stance on this matter, I'm starting to realize why you decided to live in Thailand. No hate here buddy. You do you. Just leave the kids out of it.

[Chris P]

There are several definitions.

LOL.

My own opinion is that a woman is a person that believes they are a woman

Believes they are a what? That is a circular definition.

and is not a man that is certified as insane.

The fact that a man thinks he is a woman or vice versa defines him or her as insane. This insanity was called gender dysphoria and was recognised till a few years ago when Globohomo Swamp ZOG Clownworld got their fangs into the American Psychiatric Association and forced them to change it from "mental illness" to "stunning and brave".

But I must admit, this is why I prefer JustTK to the standard dem douches. They will obfuscate and avoid the question because they know how ridiculous their leftist dogma looks. JustTK answers honestly, regardless how wacky.

Anyway, I'll leave it to Troy McClure to explain reality on this matter:

[EihTooms]

Do you accept the definition of "woman" as "adult human female"? A simple yes or no will do.

Biologically, sure, why not?

Are you really so confused, aggrieved and aggravated over what to do about pronouns in the English language that it has turned your world view upside down and inside out?

Poor thing. Do you know that the word for boyfriend and girlfriend is the same in the Thai language?

If you lived here you might have needed to be talked down off the ledge several times by now over just that one issue.

[JustTK]

You didn't answer the question. What is a woman?

There are several definitions. My own opinion is that a woman is a person that believes they are a woman, and is not a man that is certified as insane. Similar definition for a man. That leaves some grey area, and these would be non-binary. Or certified insane.