American Politics

[EihTooms]

Well, I already refuted your "facts" during the first two weeks I started posting in this thread. I don't see a reason to do it repeatedly. Here are some links from that period.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2743042.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2743466.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2744753.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2745982.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2747252.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2747260..

So your substantiation links to show you refuted the facts I have posted with full substantiation take us to previous posts of yours where you couldn't refute my facts with any substantiation links.

LOL. Perfect. Can't beat that for pro Repub Bothsider / Neithersider reasoning.

[Chris P]

The truth is, when you take a more comprehensive and complete understanding (and not a cherry picked one), the state of Maryland, which Baltimore resides in, is one of the top 10 states for education and has some of the best public schools and has the fourth-highest education attainment in the U.S. in 2023.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...-for-education

The truth is, the state of Maryland, which Baltimore resides in, was the 2nd best educated state, 2018 and continues to be in the top ten states.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/the-...s-in-2018.html

When you examine education at the state level, you'll see that Maryland is one of the best states to get an education. Sure you'll get pockets of areas that aren't up to par, but that's analogous to most of the country.

What I propose to you is that the funding (which doesn't seem to be a problem, as you put it) for the state of Maryland, leads me to believe, that the funding needs to be better distributed to address the educational resource needs of schools, in areas of lower-income families.

You just made my case stronger.

Maryland as a whole has good educational results. Yet the data I presented shows that Baltimore city, not Maryland, has the fourth highest spending per student in public schools of any area in the country.

So the part of Maryland whose schools receive the highest funding per student also have the worst results (23 schools without a single student testing to his age level proficiency in math, and I believe another 20 or so in which only 1 or 2 students in the entire school did so).

Funding is already distributed far more generously to Baltimore city than the rest of Maryland, which debunks the usual leftist canard, but educational results are far worse in this heavily democrat-controlled area despite this extra funding. Why do you think that is?

[PVMonger]

Interesting link, thanks. It looks like only about 2500 heterosexual males in the USA came down with HIV in 2019. That's not very many. And that number may be high as I imagine some men may have lied about their sexual preferences.

Do you have any idea why the number of heterosexual males in Africa infected with HIV is so much higher? I'm wondering if there's something going on health wise that could account for it. Or alternately maybe there's a bigger stigma associated with being gay in Africa, so people won't admit to it. I suspect that's less likely.

Why is HIV so prevalent in hetero males in Africa?

Poverty is the prime reason IMHO. When you're poor, you don't spend money on condoms. When you're poor, you don't spend money on anti-viral treatments. Additionally, if the women involved in the issue don't demand that the man wear a condom, she can become infected. And then she passes the infection on.

[Chris P]

Of my list of 10, all were invented in the private sector, except for the internet, which Al Gore invented

ROFL! I'm sure that's on Eihtooms's totally accurate list of great democrat party achievements.

[PVMonger]

And here you go again with all the name calling. What is with you guys and Trump? You cannot quit him. As to your point, it already has been addressed better than I ever could by Matt Taibbi himself.

I did not see the story about Trump until yesterday. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...banned-twitter.

However, as Taibbi notes, House hearings were held last week, at which one witness told a story about Donald Trump asking to remove a mean tweet by Chrissy Teigen.

The press went bananas. Now that was big news!

And so, Taibbi throws down the gauntlet in the latest 'Twitter Files', "purely to show the bankruptcy of media in this area".

If a president freaking out about one tweeter is news, surely a USA Senator finking on three hundred-plus of his constituents also must be?

The fact that mainstream outlets ignored the Schiff story but howled about Teigen shows what they're about.

Responses like this are designed to keep blue-leaning audiences especially focused on moronic partisan spats, obscuring bigger picture narratives..

So you agree that Donnie the Dumbass (or his minions) demanded that Twitter take down a post that he didn't like. Thanks for agreeing with me.

See, this is exactly what "the right" does. You complain how "the left" and "the media" censor "the right" but when things get too heated for "you people", you do the exact same thing that you accuse the other side of doing. You censor them.

"The right" makes a big deal about how government ought to stay out of a company's business, but as soon as a company makes a decision that "the right" doesn't like, "the right" screams for legislation to make it illegal for the company to make that same decision again.

"The right" makes a big deal about how government should be smaller, but as soon as some policies that they don't like are implemented, they are first in line to want to expand government to take control of those same policies.

"The right" is quick to believe Donnie the Dumbass' lies about how the 2020 election was stolen and FUX Snooze and media on the right pushed those claims to the max. And they still do. And the sheep on "the right" believed every word. And now, the Dominion trial has brought to the forefront the fact that FUX Snooze and the rest of rightwingnut media lied to you and made fun of Donnie the Dumbass and his claims in private. All for ratings. The most unfortunate thing, though, is that you won't believe a single word of what has, or will, come out of the trial. You will believe the "out of context" lies, even when Dominion's lawyers present entire emails.

And, by the way, how many times have you called anybody who doesn't subscribe to your worldview "douches" or some similar term? Do you not consider that "name calling"? Evidently not since I have never seen one word of apology from you. At least Chrissie doesn't chastise folks for calling the one-term, twice-impeached former guy Donnie the Dumbass while yelling "globohomo" at the top of his lungs.

[Spidy]

Tell that to the parent of the kids in the 23 schools in Baltimore where not a single student tested up to standardsin math..

Yeah, I can only image that same, hard "parental talk", is being told to parents, in Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama as well. But at the very least, it's still a good state to get an education, when hopefully real efforts are being made, to get these student back on par.

OK, I'd say you're making a fair point, until you go onto blame the problem on Republicans, like you always do.

No blame! The data is the data. Just stating the facts for the education, that is set and governed by the state Maryland, in which Baltimore resides.

Segment the data, and I bet you'd see that the school districts in blue cities and counties in Maryland, Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama underperform versus red districts in the same state.

Perhaps! Why don't you show me?

Despite your best efforts, you never showed there was a correlation between literacy and whether a state voted for Biden or Trump.

If it's not obvious, both you and Chris P (should he care to reply to my post), can continue to use the same electoral state map, I've always used as of recent illiterate and educational talks.

Electoral Map: Blue or Red States Since 2000
https://www.270towin.com/content/blue-and-red-states

[Tiny 12]

While I agree that the chance is low, it's not zero. My beef with Elvis is that he claims one can't get HIV and AIDS from a heterosexual contact. He also likes to site some studies, usually from 20-30 year ago that supposedly support his phantasies. There is no validity in that kind of argument. Even when the studies are legit, scientific knowledge in epidemiology is not finite. Here are some recent stats, and I don't have a reason not to believe them.

https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overv...nds/statistics

Interesting link, thanks. It looks like only about 2500 heterosexual males in the USA came down with HIV in 2019. That's not very many. And that number may be high as I imagine some men may have lied about their sexual preferences.

Do you have any idea why the number of heterosexual males in Africa infected with HIV is so much higher? I'm wondering if there's something going on health wise that could account for it. Or alternately maybe there's a bigger stigma associated with being gay in Africa, so people won't admit to it. I suspect that's less likely.

[Tiny 12]

Nearly all from that list were invented in the public sector Tiny. Here is a list just from the USA state sector - https://stacker.com/business-economy...us-government/ - many huge / important inventions listed there.

https://blog.ted.com/qa-mariana-mazz...el-innovation/

Of my list of 10, all were invented in the private sector, except for the internet, which Al Gore invented, and GPS, which the United States military invented. With respect to the items on both our lists, mostly it was the private sector that took the ideas and ran with them, not government.

Don't you recognise how unbelievably disgusting that sounds? What about the VICTIMS? Why is it all about the USA? Jesus Christ.

My point was that overall the USA Did not benefit from interventions and wars, in economic terms. If you believe that's disgusting because it conflicts with your world view, then so be it. In general I don't believe the USA should be intervening in other countries' affairs. And I recognize and am saddened by the deaths and other human tragedy that occurred in other countries on account of USA Foreign policy. But I also recognize they’re small compared to the millions who died at the hands of Hitler and socialist butchers in the USSR and China. And yes, I'm counting Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[Tiny 12]

When you examine education at the state level, you'll see that Maryland is one of the best states to get an education.

Tell that to the parent of the kids in the 23 schools in Baltimore where not a single student tested up to standards in math.

The truth is, I think, what your post/example, is most emblematic of, is an unfair competition, allocation and/or misappropriation of funds for schools with low-income families, in lower-income areas. This is very problematic throughout the country, especially in the red states of Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama that overwhelmingly show up as the "worst", "lowest" or "least" educated/illiterate states in the country.

OK, I'd say you're making a fair point, until you go onto blame the problem on Republicans, like you always do. Segment the data, and I bet you'd see that the school districts in blue cities and counties in Maryland, Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama underperform versus red districts in the same state. Despite your best efforts, you never showed there was a correlation between literacy and whether a state voted for Biden or Trump.

[Tiny 12]

And it reveals you to be pathetically incapable of refuting the facts in my posts when you conjure up those straw men arguments to battle with.

I'll help you with another clarification that you continually show you need:

The factual terms I use is "Great" Recession or the "worst economic downturns" or "massive" jobs destruction vs "Great" recoveries or "Great" economic expansions or "historic" jobs creation of the past 100 years,. As you well know, I am not not talking about "every" piddling little economic dip or a handful of job losses under Dems vs some piddling decline in the Unemployment Rate under Repubs.

Bulletin: Every presidency is challenged by whatever the Fed does or does not do, the business cycle, what's happening outside the USA, potential Pandemjcs etc. But only Repub presidents have managed to succumb to the worst possible outcomes against those challenges for the past 100 years obviously due to something beyond "bad luck. "

Again, as you well know, the list of meaningful and now revered Dem legislation vs the zero examples of so much as ONE such Repub legislation over the past 100 years is about legislation "proposed, fought for and passed when Dems" or alternately Repubs "held the White House and Majorities in Both Houses of Congress". It is NOT about such Dem legislation that merely got some bipartisan Repub votes for the sake of self-serving political expediency.

Now, really Tiny. Did you honestly expect to float those blatant lies about what I post and what neither you nor anyone else can refute without my pointing it out? LOL. And, no, your flights of fancy into marathon topic-changing conversations here having virtually nothing to do with American Politics, clearly not your expertise, won't distract or misdirect anyone from that uncomfortable truth either.

Well, I already refuted your "facts" during the first two weeks I started posting in this thread. I don't see a reason to do it repeatedly. Here are some links from that period.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2743042.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2743466.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2744753.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2745982.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2747252.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2747260.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2747584

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2747853.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2747878.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2748202.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ms#post2748598.

Come up with some new "facts" that I haven't already refuted and I may engage.

[Spidy]

Are you denying that there are 23 schools in Baltimore city without a single student who is at age-level proficiency in math? Or that the spending per public school student in Baltimore is the third highest in the entire country?

That is the truth. Strangely, leftists have been unable to suggest any reasons for this state of affairs. Perhaps you'd like to give it a try?

The truth is, when you take a more comprehensive and complete understanding (and not a cherry picked one), the state of Maryland, which Baltimore resides in, is one of the top 10 states for education and has some of the best public schools and has the fourth-highest education attainment in the U.S. in 2023.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...-for-education

The truth is, the state of Maryland, which Baltimore resides in, was the 2nd best educated state, 2018 and continues to be in the top ten states.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/the-...s-in-2018.html

When you examine education at the state level, you'll see that Maryland is one of the best states to get an education. Sure you'll get pockets of areas that aren't up to par, but that's analogous to most of the country.

What I propose to you is that the funding (which doesn't seem to be a problem, as you put it) for the state of Maryland, leads me to believe, that the funding needs to be better distributed to address the educational resource needs of schools, in areas of lower-income families.

The truth is, I think, what your post/example, is most emblematic of, is an unfair competition, allocation and/or misappropriation of funds for schools with low-income families, in lower-income areas. This is very problematic throughout the country, especially in the red states of Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama that overwhelmingly show up as the "worst", "lowest" or "least" educated/illiterate states in the country.

[Spidy]

PVM, I have Spidy on ignore because all he does is name call. When you call someone the devil, you are done IMO because you are calling me and everyone who voted for him, 75 million people, evil, and that means you do not have a functioning brain when it comes to difference of opinion. If you look at the red-blue divide as good versus evil, I am done with you.
now you do not like him. Calling him Donnie the dumbass makes me shut off my brain. ...

Still with same weak old argument...kkkk! Just hilarious, dude...hilarious! Because you call other BMs names don't mean we all do it.

Elvis, the ISG king of the "Douche/Douche-bag" word usage, when it comes to using this insult and calling other ISGers/BMs names. The countless times you've uttered this insult is beyond belief!
Tell me I'm wrong!

As I've told you before, public figures, like Biden, Polosi, Trump, or DeSants are naturally game. I've made that quite clear before. I've not called public figures, anything they've not already been called in the press or media, or for that matter by your Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf.

Donald Trump called "the devil" by Mexican economic minister
https://www.breitbart.com/border/201...-nafta-stance/
https://www.newsweek.com/mexico-devi...rtation-501375

So again I ask you please provide the instances where I've called you or other BMs, here names?

BTW, I hope you also put MDS1 (MarquisdeSade1) on blast and ignore him, when he calls Trump, a "god".

Please note, it doesn't bother me in the slightest, when MDS1, calls Donnie Dummkopf, a "god"...but then again, it would seem, I'm not as "sensitive" as you.

[JustTK]

Here's a list of the biggest technological advances since 1844. Which of them would have been developed and used by billions without capitalism? I'd argue none.

https://www.lifewire.com/biggest-tec...e-1844-4588428

What happened to prosperity and quality of life of people in China and eastern Europe after market economies were introduced?

Nearly all from that list were invented in the public sector Tiny. Here is a list just from the USA state sector - https://stacker.com/business-economy...us-government/ - many huge / important inventions listed there.

https://blog.ted.com/qa-mariana-mazz...el-innovation/

China and Eastern Europe were banished from playing a regular part in the world BCOS they were left wing. So of course, they suffered.

The limited economic benefits the USA has received by engaging in these activities pale by the side of the negative overall effects on our economy and reputation.

Don't you recognise how unbelievably disgusting that sounds? What about the VICTIMS? Why is it all about the USA? Jesus Christ.

[EihTooms]

We've refuted your assertions with facts. Or at least shown that you cant blame every recession on Republicans and give credit for every recovery to Democrats, while ignoring the Fed, the business cycle, whats happening outside the USA, pandemics, etc. Another of your perennial favorites is providing a list of suck ass legislation passed on a bipartisan basis when a Democrat was president, and asking us to come up with a list of suck ass bills passed when a Republican was president.

You just keep making the same assertions over and over again. If you say something enough times it doesn't make it true. Yeah, we could keep correcting you, but it would be like the movie Groundhog Day. I'm willing to do that, keep repeating myself, for senile relatives. But you're not senile, just a bit stubborn, and not inclined to consider any facts, data or point of view that contradicts Democratic Party dogma.

You might consider bringing up a topic we havent already discussed. I for one will engage if its interesting to me.

And it reveals you to be pathetically incapable of refuting the facts in my posts when you conjure up those straw men arguments to battle with.

I'll help you with another clarification that you continually show you need:

The factual terms I use is "Great" Recession or the "worst economic downturns" or "massive" jobs destruction vs "Great" recoveries or "Great" economic expansions or "historic" jobs creation of the past 100 years,. As you well know, I am not not talking about "every" piddling little economic dip or a handful of job losses under Dems vs some piddling decline in the Unemployment Rate under Repubs.

Bulletin: Every presidency is challenged by whatever the Fed does or does not do, the business cycle, what's happening outside the USA, potential Pandemjcs etc. But only Repub presidents have managed to succumb to the worst possible outcomes against those challenges for the past 100 years obviously due to something beyond "bad luck. "

Again, as you well know, the list of meaningful and now revered Dem legislation vs the zero examples of so much as ONE such Repub legislation over the past 100 years is about legislation "proposed, fought for and passed when Dems" or alternately Repubs "held the White House and Majorities in Both Houses of Congress". It is NOT about such Dem legislation that merely got some bipartisan Repub votes for the sake of self-serving political expediency.

Now, really Tiny. Did you honestly expect to float those blatant lies about what I post and what neither you nor anyone else can refute without my pointing it out? LOL. And, no, your flights of fancy into marathon topic-changing conversations here having virtually nothing to do with American Politics, clearly not your expertise, won't distract or misdirect anyone from that uncomfortable truth either.

[Xpartan]

I've kind of been guilty of the same thing, obsessing about COVID prevention, although it's out of scientific curiosity rather than being overly pious, which I think you recognize. Our exchanges on the vaccines, etc. are always respectful. And I've learned some things from your posts that I didn't know before, for example, that masks aren't nearly as effective against the Omicron variant as they appear to have been earlier on.

At this point in time, your chance of getting AIDS in the USA is pretty darn low if you're not engaged in butt fucking or intravenous drug use. There are a lot of other things to be more concerned about. That said, if I'd religiously worn condoms, my life would be much different. I wish I'd done that, for reasons totally unrelated to HIV.

While I agree that the chance is low, it's not zero. My beef with Elvis is that he claims one can't get HIV and AIDS from a heterosexual contact. He also likes to site some studies, usually from 20-30 year ago that supposedly support his phantasies. There is no validity in that kind of argument. Even when the studies are legit, scientific knowledge in epidemiology is not finite. Here are some recent stats, and I don't have a reason not to believe them.

https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overv...nds/statistics

- Approximately 1. 2 million people in the US have HIV. About 13 percent of them don't know it and need testing.

- People who acquired HIV through heterosexual contact made up 22% (6,626) of HIV diagnoses in the USA In 2020.

- People assigned male sex at birth who acquired HIV through heterosexual contact accounted for 7% of new HIV diagnoses.

- People assigned female sex at birth who acquired HIV through heterosexual women accounted for 15%.

There are good news too:

- From 2016 to 2019, HIV diagnoses from heterosexual contact decreased 13% overall.

So, basically 1/5 of the USA HIV positive population gets the virus from a heterosexual contact, twice as many women as men.

Can we accept these numbers as fireproof evidence? No.

As Dr. House said, people lie. No one knows how many respondents are closet homosexuals or drug addicts. So yes, the number can be lower than 7%. Or it may be higher; let's not forget that 13 percent of new cases "don't know it and need testing. ".

But in any case, for a male, 7% may sound like low odds, but low is not zero.

Now there are people who believe that everything the government says is a lie. Them -- I can't help. No one can.

Unfortunately, Elvis is one of those people. He claims the HIV transmission among heterosexuals is zero. That's not just a harmless quackery; that's dangerous because some people on this forum just want to believe.

And BTW, if he keeps claiming he's never said it, I will find the old thread where he did, no matter how lazy I am.

P.S. I would address Elvis directly, but he seems to believe he "ignores me", although he's probably just confused about what ignore means, LOL.