American Politics

[EihTooms]

A. There is no black or white, no pure good nor pure evil. We live in a world of gray. Chris and I are off white.

B. I've been tag teamed enough by you gentlemen of the left to know it's no fun fighting the good fight alone. Chris needed some help.

C. I'm not ultra right wing. I'm a Libertarian / Republican who believes in a social safety net. And I'm not an anti-Semite. In fact, I believe Jews of European origin are right up there with overseas Chinese as some of the most brilliant and industrious people on the planet.* Chris and I have not engaged on this issue. I'm sure if we do, it will be in a mutually respectful manner, assuming we disagree.

Finally, I'm not a bigot. I've been clear on this. I do believe certain people, and their children, and their children's children, etc., have been disadvantaged in America, and the Democratic Party bears more responsibility than Republicans. And I've outlined steps, "bottom up" ways to improve the condition of the less fortunate among us, that would be far preferable to and far more effective than the Progressive Democrats' "top down" strategy of robbing the entrepreneurs and the businessmen and the investors and those among us who work the hardest. Instead of building up the poor, the Progressive Democratic Politicians' strategy is to drag down the rich, to make us more "equal."

Footnote:

*except for Paul Krugman, who is a dumb ass

Social Security.

Unemployment Insurance.

The Civil Rights Act.

Medicare.

Medicaid.

The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

The Affordable Care Act.

The American Rescue Plan.

The Inflation Reduction Act.

The CHIPS and Science Act.

Those are just some of the legislation proposed, fought for and passed when Dems held the White House and the Majority in both Houses of Congress.

Still waiting for ONE legislation proposed, fought for and passed when Repubs held that same position at the helm equal to even the least of those.

Add to that the fact that Dem stewardship produced all of the notable recoveries, boom times, economic expansions, historic jobs creation and none of the half dozen or so Great Economic Crashes and Massive Jobs Destruction of the past century while Repub stewardship has led us directly into every Great Economic Crash, Historic Jobs Destruction and none of the notable recoveries, economic expansions and historic jobs creation in that same amount to time.

So please elaborate on exactly how those Dem accomplishments dragged down anyone, much less the disadvantaged, their children's children, etc. , and of course the poor put upon rich so terribly that it prompts you and other wingers to "fight the good fight" to put more Repubs in office so they can repeat over and over again what they have repeatedly done for America and prevent Dems from doing what they have repeatedly done for America.

Extra points if you can come up with something, anything that isn't about some sucker social issue that is going to happen in a free society anyway regardless of who is in office even if it's 10 Ronald Reagans, 10 Donald Trumps, 10 Moscow Mitches and 10 Kave-in McQarthys in a row.

[Spidy]

Whenever someone unironically uses the term "hate speech", you can be sure they have lost the argument.

The left spews vile, unhinged hate all the time toward various targets (Christians, Russians, heritage Americans, etc). As ever, they are guilty of whatever they claim the other side is doing.

But you know what? In America, there is no such thing as "hate speech", which is entirely subjective. There is free speech. A concept the left is working overtime to destroy.

The fact that you've no clue as to what is "free speech" and what is obviously "hate speech", tells me everything I need to know, about your brand politics and "free speech".

Perhaps try explaining "free speech" to 'Ron DeSanctimonious' as Agent Orange calls him. Or perhaps you prefer, Trump's 'Meatball Ron' nickname is better than 'Ron DeSanctimonious'.

BTW, does the 1933 Nazi book burning and the DeSanctimonious book bans, have anything in common? Oh wait, that would be free speech!

[Spidy]

Hahahahah! Nevada and New Mexico haven't voted Republican in a presidential election since 2004. New Jersey since 1988. And the District of Columbia never has. There's no good argument that New Mexico's a swing state, especially since the Democratic Party bosses gerrymandered the state so Republicans can't win. I agree with your characterization of Arizona and Georgia as red states, although they're closely divided, have only Democratic Senators, and voted for Biden. You could arguably consider North Carolina and Florida Republican.

Chuckling at the facts and data, isn't really making your case. But for you, I guess it's "the sugar" that makes you better able to swallow, the "bitter pill" of reality, that 12 out of the top 20 of the illiterate states , are red states (and only 3 blue states).

Again, the electoral map, shows historical voting for both Blue, Red and Swing states, since 2000.
https://www.270towin.com/content/blue-and-red-states

[Spidy]

Perhaps you'd care to point out exactly where I did that. True, neither Chris nor I bought into your nonexistent and misleading correlations, re: illiteracy and homicide rates. The fact that a person doesn't believe Democratic Party propaganda does not mean he engages in or buys into hate speech and drivel.

Maybe as far back as here:

...I've got a lot going on at work, but I shall return soon. And we shall kick some blue ass, Brother Chris.

? Buddying up with Chris? Your stock just went way down.

Don't worry, it's just an observation, Tiny 12. It is what it is.

[Spidy]

Honestly Tiny, I've been watching your ChrisP advocacy in disbelief. I used to regard you as somewhat of a Unicorn -- non-dogmatic and thoughtful Republican. Then came your incessant "attaboys" with this ultra-right-wing and openly anti-Semitic bigot. Sad.

Good observations!

It's as obvious as daylight and as clear as day, to some. I am not the first too see such a "sympathetic ear" bend to the hate mongering.

Still I think it maybe lost on some BMs, even when the hate speech posts are being deleted with notices of "[No more comment about racism. Deleted by Admin]" .

But it is what it is!

[Spidy]

Interesting survey of about 6000 Americans, w/r to Christian nationalism and its fringe zealot movement with the Republican party, pitches some radical church and state questions.

More than half of Republicans support Christian nationalism, according to a new survey
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/14/11566...ing-to-a-new-s

A new poll gives us insight into a troubling anti-American movement
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...n-nationalism/

While most Americans today embrace pluralism and reject this anti-democratic claim, majorities of white evangelical Protestants and Republicans remain animated by this vision of a white Christian America.

The poll asked questions based on some of the following beliefs, in order to determine how deeply those asked embraced Christian nationalism:

> “The U.S. government should declare America a Christian nation.”
> “U.S. laws should be based on Christian values.”
> “If the U.S. moves away from our Christian foundations, we will not have a country anymore.”
> “Being Christian is an important part of being truly American.”
> “God has called Christians to exercise dominion over all areas of American society.”

This looks very eerily similar, to something we often see, written and prophesized by many violent militant Taliban or a Muslim regimes, zealots and religious sects. Well so much for a pluralist democratic America.

[Paulie97]

B. I've been tag teamed enough by you gentlemen of the left to know it's no fun fighting the good fight alone. Chris needed some help.

So does David Duke and those clowns that raided the Capital, but that doesn't mean we give it to them. And you can challenge the posts of those to the left of you here without fraternizing with Chris, so that excuse doesn't hold water either. You need to get out of your computer chair and get out and get some fresh air. You've often talked about taking a break. Why not follow through? Or follow my lead and just stop in occasionally. These sorts of threads are nothing to build your life around, as some on both sides of the spectrum here have done.

[Tiny 12]

Honestly Tiny, I've been watching your ChrisP advocacy in disbelief. I used to regard you as somewhat of a Unicorn -- non-dogmatic and thoughtful Republican. Then came your incessant "attaboys" with this ultra-right-wing and openly anti-Semitic bigot. Sad.

A. There is no black or white, no pure good nor pure evil. We live in a world of gray. Chris and I are off white.

B. I've been tag teamed enough by you gentlemen of the left to know it's no fun fighting the good fight alone. Chris needed some help.

C. I'm not ultra right wing. I'm a Libertarian / Republican who believes in a social safety net. And I'm not an anti-Semite. In fact, I believe Jews of European origin are right up there with overseas Chinese as some of the most brilliant and industrious people on the planet.* Chris and I have not engaged on this issue. I'm sure if we do, it will be in a mutually respectful manner, assuming we disagree.

Finally, I'm not a bigot. I've been clear on this. I do believe certain people, and their children, and their children's children, etc., have been disadvantaged in America, and the Democratic Party bears more responsibility than Republicans. And I've outlined steps, "bottom up" ways to improve the condition of the less fortunate among us, that would be far preferable to and far more effective than the Progressive Democrats' "top down" strategy of robbing the entrepreneurs and the businessmen and the investors and those among us who work the hardest. Instead of building up the poor, the Progressive Democratic Politicians' strategy is to drag down the rich, to make us more "equal."

Footnote:

*except for Paul Krugman, who is a dumb ass

[EihTooms]

CNN, the Daily Beast, NPR and factcheck. Org? You're really attempting to use them as credible sources? LOL.

Others have debunked much of your baseless propaganda, but I'll add a few blows for fun.

"Climate change": I've attached a graph showing reality vs climate alarmist predictions as provided by the eminent climatologist Judith Curry. https://judithcurry.com/2015/12/17/c...imate-reality/.

Beyond the proven facts above, we can simply use memory and common sense in comparing things that were being said about the climate 20 years ago. By 2023, we were told that New York would be underwater, the polar ice caps would have completely melted, and there would be no polar bears left.

In fact, as you may have noticed, none of those things happened. There are more polar bears now than there were 10 years ago.

Fake news has been at this for a while: here is an article from 1988 in which it was claimed that rising sea levels would overwhelm the Maldives within 30 years (spoiler alert: it's been 35 years and the Maldives is still exactly the same as it always was). https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/102074798.

Ten years before that, however, they weren't droning on about global warming but global cooling. Here's a documentary on PBS fronted by Leonard Nimoy from the late 70's which claimed an Ice Age was on the way! Beam me up Scottie! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tAYXQPWdC0.

As can be seen above, this entire so-called "climate change" nonsense is a transparent scam, designed to strip yet more rights and wealth from regular heritage Americans. Look out for climate lockdowns coming soon, with armed deep state agents destroying everyone's livelihoods and liberties, based on the covid lockdowns.

Onto the Biden laptop: the most troubling aspect of the story is not just that the democrats attempted to censor information, but the FBI and other alphabet agencies did so on their behalf: https://twitter.com/RepStefanik/stat...3115284090880?.

Further proof, if any more was needed, that these agencies are irreparably biased toward the leftist Agenda, and no longer fit for purpose.

In addition, fully 53% of those made aware of the Biden criminality would have changed their vote in 2020, which would have put Trump way over the top even despite the massive mail-in ballot rigging carried out in democrat shithole cities.

Obama regime spying on opposition candidate Trump: https://nypost.com/2019/04/15/behind...rump-campaign/.

"Less than a year ago, we learned the Obama administration had used a confidential informant a spy to approach at least three Trump campaign officials in the months leading up to the 2016 election".

"There is no doubt that the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. As Barr made clear, the real question is: What predicated the spying? Was there a valid reason for it, strong enough to overcome our norm against political spying? Or was it done rashly? Was a politically motivated decision made to use highly intrusive investigative tactics".

Actually, as with the big tech censorship, it was worse than merely opposition politicians spying: they were doing so in cahoots with the supposedly impartial FBI. It would be as if the cops discovered that the Watergate burglars were not only spying on democrats but were also FBI agents.

"the FBI's "surveillance" had been authorized by a court. (Needless to say, the former director neglected to mention that the court was not informed that the bureau's "evidence" for the warrants was unverified hearsay paid for by the Clinton campaign.)".

This spying scandal is far worse than Watergate.

Now, the so-called "epidemic" of unarmed black men shot by the police. In the entire year of 2019, a total of 10 (ten) unarmed black Americans were shot dead by police.

Ten. In a country of 330 million people. Yup, it's a true genocide.

Furthermore, most of the ten were "unarmed" in that they were not carrying a firearm, but otherwise violently assaulted police officers, including attacking them with a taser and attempting to run them over with a car.

In reality, blacks are underrepresented in police shootings: "the Manhattan Institute's Heather Mac Donald noted that even when you look at the shootings of armed suspects, factoring in the crime rate, black individuals are less likely to be killed".

"That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the USA And commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database".

So the police shot dead twice as many whites as blacks despite the fact that blacks commit more than half of violent crime. https://www.westernjournal.com/watch...ngs-black-men/.

Finally, you're right about one thing. Slowing the initial spread of covid saved lives. So I've no doubt you will join me in heartily congratulating President Trump for enforcing a ban on Chinese flights to America as early as January 2020, in the face of hysterical fake news and democratic opposition and shrieks of "racism". If Pelosi and Biden had been in charge, tens of thousands more infected Chinese would have entered and spread throughout the country, with dire results.

Thank you, President Trump.

I will indeed place CNN, NPR and Factcheck with plenty of substantiation hyperlinks as far more credible than a "report" in The NY Post and some tweet by a politician with nothing but blather.

Oh, a Leonard Nimoy-hosted tv entertainment show in the 1970's blows the whole thing apart for you?

Anybody else at the University of Alabama you'd like to go with vs NASA and the overwhelming consensus of studies?

Leonard's entertainment tv show might have been written and produced a tad early for this development re a favorite winger distraction:

Fact check: False claim the term 'global warming' was rebranded to 'climate change'

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e/10957295002/

BONUS! Here are a few more funny headlines and stories with made up photos and made up "facts" from one of your favorite fake news sources:

https://boxden.com/showthread.php?t=2489965

https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...lines.amp.html

https://archives.cjr.org/the_audit/t...s_disgrace.php

[Xpartan]

You need to find this woman and marry her. Ideologically you're two peas in a pod. And the sex would be great. Bat shit crazy women are always good in bed.

I believe she's right in about 30% of what she's saying. And as to the rest, well it's a good illustration of what I posted yesterday:

Like DeSantis on COVID vaccines (which was mentioned in your video) and Politics Girl on alleged correlations between red states and everything bad in America, they misinterpret data to support their views.

Honestly Tiny, I've been watching your ChrisP advocacy in disbelief. I used to regard you as somewhat of a Unicorn -- non-dogmatic and thoughtful Republican. Then came your incessant "attaboys" with this ultra-right-wing and openly anti-Semitic bigot. Sad.

[Tiny 12]

Problem is, there is no way Repubs can come within an undemocratic, pro-Repub rigged election margin of "winning" unless they outright lie to the American people:

https://youtu.be/AEqO3m3yf3I

(video, 5 minutes and 38 seconds long).

You need to find this woman and marry her. Ideologically you're two peas in a pod. And the sex would be great. Bat shit crazy women are always good in bed.

I believe she's right in about 30% of what she's saying. And as to the rest, well it's a good illustration of what I posted yesterday:

Trump loving Republicans and Biden loving Democrats have a lot more in common than they think.

Like DeSantis on COVID vaccines (which was mentioned in your video) and Politics Girl on alleged correlations between red states and everything bad in America, they misinterpret data to support their views.

[JustTK]

The left spews vile, unhinged hate all the time toward various targets (Christians, Russians, heritage Americans, etc). As ever, they are guilty of whatever they claim the other side is doing.
There is free speech. A concept the left is working overtime to destroy.

Almost a good comment. The only thing you got wrong is that the censorship of free speech is not from the left. The authoritarianism comes from right wing neo-libs, aka the Dem Party.

[Chris P]

Hahahahah! Nevada and New Mexico haven't voted Republican in a presidential election since 2004. New Jersey since 1988. And the District of Columbia never has. There's no good argument that New Mexico's a swing state, especially since the Democratic Party bosses gerrymandered the state so Republicans can't win. I agree with your characterization of Arizona and Georgia as red states, although they're closely divided, have only Democratic Senators, and voted for Biden. You could arguably consider North Carolina and Florida Republican.

Amazing how much time Spidy has to copy and paste debunked fake news leftist sources, yet he can't even spare a minute to answer my simple yes / no question (at the seventh time of trying).

[Chris P]

Damn. That was fun! Thanks.

CNN, the Daily Beast, NPR and factcheck. Org? You're really attempting to use them as credible sources? LOL.

Others have debunked much of your baseless propaganda, but I'll add a few blows for fun.

"Climate change": I've attached a graph showing reality vs climate alarmist predictions as provided by the eminent climatologist Judith Curry. https://judithcurry.com/2015/12/17/c...imate-reality/.

Beyond the proven facts above, we can simply use memory and common sense in comparing things that were being said about the climate 20 years ago. By 2023, we were told that New York would be underwater, the polar ice caps would have completely melted, and there would be no polar bears left.

In fact, as you may have noticed, none of those things happened. There are more polar bears now than there were 10 years ago.

Fake news has been at this for a while: here is an article from 1988 in which it was claimed that rising sea levels would overwhelm the Maldives within 30 years (spoiler alert: it's been 35 years and the Maldives is still exactly the same as it always was). https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/102074798.

Ten years before that, however, they weren't droning on about global warming but global cooling. Here's a documentary on PBS fronted by Leonard Nimoy from the late 70's which claimed an Ice Age was on the way! Beam me up Scottie! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tAYXQPWdC0.

As can be seen above, this entire so-called "climate change" nonsense is a transparent scam, designed to strip yet more rights and wealth from regular heritage Americans. Look out for climate lockdowns coming soon, with armed deep state agents destroying everyone's livelihoods and liberties, based on the covid lockdowns.

Onto the Biden laptop: the most troubling aspect of the story is not just that the democrats attempted to censor information, but the FBI and other alphabet agencies did so on their behalf: https://twitter.com/RepStefanik/stat...3115284090880?.

Further proof, if any more was needed, that these agencies are irreparably biased toward the leftist Agenda, and no longer fit for purpose.

In addition, fully 53% of those made aware of the Biden criminality would have changed their vote in 2020, which would have put Trump way over the top even despite the massive mail-in ballot rigging carried out in democrat shithole cities.

Obama regime spying on opposition candidate Trump: https://nypost.com/2019/04/15/behind...rump-campaign/.

"Less than a year ago, we learned the Obama administration had used a confidential informant — a spy — to approach at least three Trump campaign officials in the months leading up to the 2016 election".

"There is no doubt that the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. As Barr made clear, the real question is: What predicated the spying? Was there a valid reason for it, strong enough to overcome our norm against political spying? Or was it done rashly? Was a politically motivated decision made to use highly intrusive investigative tactics".

Actually, as with the big tech censorship, it was worse than merely opposition politicians spying: they were doing so in cahoots with the supposedly impartial FBI. It would be as if the cops discovered that the Watergate burglars were not only spying on democrats but were also FBI agents.

"the FBI's "surveillance" had been authorized by a court. (Needless to say, the former director neglected to mention that the court was not informed that the bureau's "evidence" for the warrants was unverified hearsay paid for by the Clinton campaign.)".

This spying scandal is far worse than Watergate.

Now, the so-called "epidemic" of unarmed black men shot by the police. In the entire year of 2019, a total of 10 (ten) unarmed black Americans were shot dead by police.

Ten. In a country of 330 million people. Yup, it's a true genocide.

Furthermore, most of the ten were "unarmed" in that they were not carrying a firearm, but otherwise violently assaulted police officers, including attacking them with a taser and attempting to run them over with a car.

In reality, blacks are underrepresented in police shootings: "the Manhattan Institute's Heather Mac Donald noted that even when you look at the shootings of armed suspects, factoring in the crime rate, black individuals are less likely to be killed".

"That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the USA And commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database".

So the police shot dead twice as many whites as blacks despite the fact that blacks commit more than half of violent crime. https://www.westernjournal.com/watch...ngs-black-men/.

Finally, you're right about one thing. Slowing the initial spread of covid saved lives. So I've no doubt you will join me in heartily congratulating President Trump for enforcing a ban on Chinese flights to America as early as January 2020, in the face of hysterical fake news and democratic opposition and shrieks of "racism". If Pelosi and Biden had been in charge, tens of thousands more infected Chinese would have entered and spread throughout the country, with dire results.

Thank you, President Trump.

[EihTooms]

Yes, Angelo Fichera, a journalist with no background in science or mathematics other than debunking alleged COVID conspiracies, is the man to go to on this issue. The question isn't whether global warming is made up. It's how do we tackle it in a practical, effective, cost efficient manner. And the Biden administration doesn't have a clue, beyond the standard Democratic "solution", throw money at the problem and hope some of it results in more votes and more campaign contributions for Democrats. Biden's climate plan has succeeded mainly in antagonizing our allies and trading partners in Europe with subsidies that are contrary to WTO rules. And in reducing our long term energy security by highlighting the risk that investments in domestic oil and gas may end up as stranded assets if the Democratic Party gets its way.

Police shoot and kill about 1000 to 1100 people each year. They kill more whites than blacks or Hispanics.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...olice-by-race/

This is a problem, yeah, but insignificant compared to deaths from heart disease, cancer, COVID and the flu, homicides, suicides, traffic accidents, etc. The politicians and the media have blown this totally out of proportion, in order to win votes, get contributions, and sell commercials. And in the process they divide us.

About 65% of COVID deaths so far occurred under Biden's watch. Where were the home test kits when Omicron hit, so people would know if they had COVID and could stay home and not infect others? And how about the N95, KN95 and other quality masks? Yes the Federal government helped a little with masks, but it was too little and too late. And how successful has Biden been in using the bully pulpit to encourage vaccination? Fewer than 40% of adults over 65 have gotten the bivalent booster. Then there's Paxlovid, the best treatment we've got for the disease. Availability of Paxlovid and public education as to the benefits leave much to be desired.

While precautions to deal with COVID are chiefly in the hands of individuals, and secondarily in the hands of state and local government, these are things the federal government could have done that would have prevented deaths and would have cost a piddly amount compared to what we've spent on economic stimulus.

And as to individuals, which country is the most like us, in terms of the culture? Well, it's Canada, of course. And the percentage of the population that has died from COVID in Canada is almost the same as in the USA. I can't see you accusing Trudeau, a left of center politician, of mass murder. And you NEVER criticize Biden. Only the Republicans.

- "What to do about Climate Change" is not what ChrisP was ranting about. He was lying that it was a debunked conspiracy theory.

- When legislation, government-funded training, oversight and financial disincentives tackle and tamp down "heart disease, cancer, COVID and the flu, homicides, suicides, traffic accidents, etc", get back to me.

- You read the lunatic rantings of Trump-trained anti-vaxxers on THIS site and can't see why almost a solid year of training by their lord and savior telling the world why nobody should bother inventing a vaccine for his Pandemic virus, much less be foolish enough to take one, a year of that leading up to January 20,2021 and beyond, would predictably produce more Trump mass murder victims after that year-long training session was completed rather than before it was completed?

Trump and his Repub accessories to mass murder are still trying to murder many more Americans with their lies about the vaccines. Unfortunately for them, Biden was too historically effective in getting the vaccines Trump and his followers opposed then as now into almost every American, saving millions of American lives and it really annoys the hell out of them.