American Politics

[EihTooms]

Yeah, you're always going to get the odd one (or two) DINO types, saddle up along and side with the Repubs. Annoyingly unavoidable! Just looking to support their campaign contributions, big money and rich billionaires donors, by scuttling and watering down very good, meaningful and transformative bills/legislation, in the face and against the majority of Americans.

Just take the recent case of the DINOs, Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, w/r to the initial, bigger $4.5 trillion IRA..

Bear in mind, Lieberman had been booted from the Democratic Party by then. He was no longer a "Democrat" In Name Only or in any other way.

By then he was passing himself off as an Independent, the kind of pol meant to attract votes from pro Repub "Bothsiders" who can't admit openly or to themselves that they want Repubs to win elections so they can produce horrific results in office but that is typically the end result of their vote anyway.

The same thing he is doing with his No Labels movement.

[Spidy]

Joe Lieberman, the same Independent / Third Party / No Labels screw-up who is working mightily to help Donald Trump retake the White House so he can produce another 4-year shitstorm of historic crap Repub Economic and National Security policies and stewardship results, along with virtually every admitted Repub in Congress was the reason the Affordable Care Act healthcare reform wasn't many, many times better and cheaper than it is.

The New Republic: It Was Lieberman All Along.
Oct. 28, 2009

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=114233563

The eternal lesson being, if you want a better Economy, better National Security, better Border Control, Lower Inflation, more and better jobs created, higher wages, more affordable and better Healthcare, lower debt and deficits, greater Stock Market gains and any other significant improvements in the lives of Americans, you do not, repeat, do not vote for Repubs, Third Party candidates or refuse to vote at all. No, you vote Democrat all the way down the ballot every time, no exceptions. And do your best to convince everyone you know to do the same.

America must have a Dem in the White House, at least 235 Dems in the House and at least 5 more Dems than required to constitute a Super Majority in the Senate if the country is going to deliver great things for our taxpayer dollar. It is as simple as that. Even 1 decisive non Dem in the House or Senate and most definitely any Repub in the White House is enough to put the entire country and much of the rest of the world in serious danger.

I wish it weren't so. But the data and evidence supporting that conclusion is overwhelming and inarguable now.

Yeah, you're always going to get the odd one (or two) DINO types, saddle up along and side with the Repubs. Annoyingly unavoidable! Just looking to support their campaign contributions, big money and rich billionaires donors, by scuttling and watering down very good, meaningful and transformative bills/legislation, in the face and against the majority of Americans.

Just take the recent case of the DINOs, Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, w/r to the initial, bigger $4.5 trillion IRA.

The New Republic: It Was Lieberman All Along. Oct. 28, 2009 ... I think Lieberman is the one to watch. My guess is that ultimately he'll vote for reform, but he'll do so because the Democrats will scale back their plan and win over Olympia Snowe, making Lieberman's opposition academic. Lieberman won't join a futile filibuster, but if he has the chance to stick in the knife and kill health care reform, I think he'd probably jump at the chance.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=114233563

Well from Lieberman's Wiki post, it looks like he got the chance to "stick in the knife" and vote-down the "public health insurance option", part of the ACA.

Thanks, it's always good to put a face/name to those "filibuster" impeding progress transgressors, even if it's a DINO.

[CheckMate1]

Here is the full Zelensky's speech on Feb 23, one day before the invasion.

Putin is on the same level as Thanos.

Feb 23, Zelensky made a speech.

Feb 24, Putin (Thanos) mobilized 100 K troops to the border using a new transporting power he got from riding a horse half naked somewhere in Russia. Easy peasy.

[Xpartan]

No, you vote Democrat all the way down the ballot every time, no exceptions. And do your best to convince everyone you know to do the same.

Isn't this what Republicans do?

Would you vote for Menendez?

One of my Rep friends who hates Trump's guts told me he'd vote for him anyway. I asked him why, and he said it's either him or Biden. I asked him half-jokingly how he'd be able to live with himself, and he said amazingly similar things to what you just did. That once you make a choice you have to stick with this choice even when it stinks and makes you cringe.

The danger of your approach is that when merit flies out of the window, it only encourages bad behavior. When politicians of any creed know they are politically invincible, there is nothing to prevent them from "menendezation".

[Elvis 2008]

It appears the central witness in Trump Attorney General Sean Hannity and ChristoFascist Mike's Impeachment case against President Hunter Biden has been busted for lying mercilessly about all the bits that so endeared him to Winger Repubs.

Some Dem is lapping up an FBI accusation as proof of guilt versus the FBI playing politics. What else is new? You mean the same FBI that sat on Hunter Biden's laptop during the 2020 election? That FBI?

David Weiss is charging Smirnov with lying to the FBI about the details he's presented in the Hunter Biden probe. Smirnov faces up to 25 years in prison.

Remember, this is the same David Weiss who said the IRS whistleblowers were lying, even though it was proven that they were telling the truth, and he offered Hunter that sweetheart plea deal before the Judge rejected it.

Did you guys know that Alexander Smirnov is only being charged with the DOJ catch all: "Making a false statement" 18 USC 1001, and "Creating a false and fictitious record" 18 USC 1519. The old "process crimes" attack. Classic Biden.

Ok. So where are all the indictments for everyone who gave the FBI false information about the Russian collusion charges against Trump?

Russiagate was the FBI telling countless lies about Trump being in bed with Putin. They lied to the FISA court. They lied in their documents, they changed testimony and now the FBI is outraged, outraged about someone lying? LOL.

Repeat after me, Tooms. Russiagate was the FBI lying to everyone in America about Trump. Can you say that? Sure you can.

So why the fuck should any of us care about the FBI and lying?

[Elvis 2008]

Here is the full Zelensky's speech on Feb 23, one day before the invasion. Where is the bit about "nuclear rearmament"?

I posted the link.

Even if this speech had happened, whatever Zelensky might've said on Feb 23, couldn't have meant anything. The Russian troops had already been positioned for the invasion. This claim of yours is insane.

It is not MY claim, dummy. Russia could have pulled back if they had assurances from Biden there were going to be no nukes in Ukraine and no NATO expansion. Biden told Putin to kick rocks.

How the false Russian biolab story came to circulate among the USA Far right.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/10879...russia-ukraine

Theory About USA -Funded Bioweapons Labs in Ukraine Is Unfounded.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/u...formation.html

Hey, where did the whole biolabs thing come up? It was from one of your neocon Jewish friends, Victoria Nuland. You know the lady who chose the leader of the "sovereign nation of Ukraine. Cough, cough. The one who said, "Fuck the EU. " Oh my bad, you are so dumb you thought I made that up.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/vic...has-biological

The Russian Foreign Ministry asserted that "Russia obtained documents proving that Ukrainian biological laboratories located near Russian borders worked on development of components of biological weapons. ".

So that is easy to swat down. Just say it is not true. Well, it turns out that is not what happened: Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there are chemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: "Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?

Rubio undoubtedly expected a flat denial by Nuland, thus providing further "proof" that such speculation is dastardly Fake News emanating from the Kremlin, the CCP and QAnon. Instead, Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons, and for senior USA Foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the truth.

She acknowledged: "uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities."

So Russia makes a claim and Nuland admits it is true. No one knows exactly what those facilities were working on including you. But when NPR and the NYT pretend to know, and they spew out MAGA, QAnon, Russian conspiracy to confuse people like you, you lap it up like a puppy.

Repeat after me: Crimea and Donbass belong to Ukraine. Do you understand this. Ukraine. Mexico is not allowed to be "provoked" into war if some shit happens in Texas. What the hell is wrong with you?

LOL. Man, you really do not know your history. Cuba had nukes and the USA was going to go to war with Cuba and Russia to get them out, so this whole a country can do whatever it wants within its borders is sheer bullshit. Russia can look at the Cuban missile crisis to justify their invasion.

Then there is Mexico: The Mexican American War was an invasion of Mexico by the United States Army from 1846 to 1848. It followed the 1845 American annexation of Texas, which Mexico still considered its territory because Mexico refused to recognize the Treaties of Velasco its generals signed.

The USA Army, under Major General Winfield Scott, invaded the Mexican heartland and captured the capital, Mexico City, in September 1847. The war was successfully concluded with the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. It ended the war, and Mexico recognized the cession of present-day Texas, California, Nevada, and Utah as well as parts of present-day Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, and Wyoming. Mexico relinquished its claims on Texas and accepted the Rio Grande as its northern border with the United States, a loss of 55% of its territory.

Hey, Xpartan, maybe you just learned something.

Unfortunately, this is a reality we're all forced to live in.

You do not live in reality.

Think I am kidding? How many Covid boosters have you gotten lately? You have not gotten any. You are just too much of a coward to admit it.

And can you say this? Russiagate was a total fraud. The fact that you cannot say Russiagate was a fraud means you believe what you want and not the truth. You would not know the truth if it bit you in the ass.

[EihTooms]

Perhaps not an actual specific "economic" achievement per se, I don't need to tell you to imagine the horrendous "economic" costs of medical health care, when it's out of pocket for Americans, caught without coverage.

Agreed! Yes, I too also think, more work needs to be done to make ACA more affordable for middle to high income families. But broadly speaking, ACA has made health care more available and more inclusive for more Americans than ever, in history.

Too steal and plagiarize an MLK/Obama quote:

• "The arc of truly affordable heath care for ALL Americans maybe (Repub obstructed unnecessarily) long, but I'm hopeful it bends towards "universal health care" or "Medicare for all."

• Just like much of the rest of the civilized world, as you've nicely stated.

Joe Lieberman, the same Independent / Third Party / No Labels screw-up who is working mightily to help Donald Trump retake the White House so he can produce another 4-year shitstorm of historic crap Repub Economic and National Security policies and stewardship results, along with virtually every admitted Repub in Congress was the reason the Affordable Care Act healthcare reform wasn't many, many times better and cheaper than it is.

The New Republic: It Was Lieberman All Along.
Oct. 28, 2009

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=114233563

The eternal lesson being, if you want a better Economy, better National Security, better Border Control, Lower Inflation, more and better jobs created, higher wages, more affordable and better Healthcare, lower debt and deficits, greater Stock Market gains and any other significant improvements in the lives of Americans, you do not, repeat, do not vote for Repubs, Third Party candidates or refuse to vote at all. No, you vote Democrat all the way down the ballot every time, no exceptions. And do your best to convince everyone you know to do the same.

America must have a Dem in the White House, at least 235 Dems in the House and at least 5 more Dems than required to constitute a Super Majority in the Senate if the country is going to deliver great things for our taxpayer dollar. It is as simple as that. Even 1 decisive non Dem in the House or Senate and most definitely any Repub in the White House is enough to put the entire country and much of the rest of the world in serious danger.

I wish it weren't so. But the data and evidence supporting that conclusion is overwhelming and inarguable now.

[Xpartan]

The day before Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, as the biased press loves to call it, Zelensky stood up and announced he would seek to rearm Ukraine with nuclear weapons pointed at Russia. Putin mentioned in a speech to the people on February 23rd that night that Ukraine announced it would rearm with nuclear weapons as one of the reasons to justify entering the Donbas.

Lie #1: Russia attacked Ukraine because Ukraine threatened Russia with nuclear rearmament.

Here is the full Zelensky's speech on Feb 23, one day before the invasion. Where is the bit about "nuclear rearmament"?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/23...plea-for-peace

Did you mean another speech? Or did you just pull this shit out of your ass? Link please.

Even if this speech had happened, whatever Zelensky might've said on Feb 23, couldn't have meant anything. The Russian troops had already been positioned for the invasion. The USA Intelligence knew that the invasion was imminent months before it happened. This claim of yours is insane.

Lie #2: Ukraine's hostility against the Crimea and Donbass separatists provoked Putin. shut off water to Crimea, launched bombers into the Dombass, coddled neonazis, and none other than Kamala Harris spoke of Ukraine joining NATO.

Repeat after me: Crimea and Donbass belong to Ukraine. Do you understand this. Ukraine. Mexico is not allowed to be "provoked" into war if some shit happens in Texas. Germany is not allowed to be provoked into war if some shit happens in Czechia. What the hell is wrong with you?

Lie 3: Then we hear of all these weird biolabs in Ukraine getting funded by the Pentagon and Victoria Nuland worrying they might fall into Russian hands, https://greenwald.substack.com/p/vic...has-biological.

Yeah, then you hear, don't you?

How the false Russian biolab story came to circulate among the USA Far right.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/10879...russia-ukraine

Theory About USA -Funded Bioweapons Labs in Ukraine Is Unfounded.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/u...formation.html

Finally:

Senator Rubio Questions Undersecretary Nuland Over Biolabs in Ukraine
During her testimony in front of the Senate Foreign Relations committee about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland answers a question from Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) about whether or not Ukraine has chemical or biological weapons. She replies, "Ukraine has biological research facilities, which, in fact, we are now quite concerned...Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of." She then refutes allegations from Russia that Ukrainians are plotting to use biological weapons, and says that if such an attack happens in Ukraine, "there is no doubt in my mind" it would be caused by Russian forces.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c50055...iolabs-ukraine

[QUOTE]Lie #4 = Lies 1-3 combined: So putting nuclear and potentially bioweapons on another nation's doorstep is not provocation unless it is the USA and Cuba. Then it is provocation, but when it is Ukraine and Russia, it is not. Got it. [ / QUOTE]Do you get it? You sure? Well, I'm glad.

Truth #1: Yeah, I cannot believe why MAGA idiots could be so dumb as to be confused by that.

Me neither. Unfortunately, this is a reality we're all forced to live in.

[Spidy]

While I agree with your praises of Biden's economic achievements, healthcare is not one of them.

Perhaps not an actual specific "economic" achievement per se, I don't need to tell you to imagine the horrendous "economic" costs of medical health care, when it's out of pocket for Americans, caught without coverage.

Yes, I can see claims of $10 coverage for 80% Americans, but I'll believe it when I see it in practice. No one who makes any kind of money beyond mere peanuts would be eligible for this kind of premiums. The policy I pay for my family members costs $ hundreds a month and has a high deductible, copayments and co-insurance. In addition, the credits for buying a policy come out of your tax deductions anyway. I'm not saying ACA isn't helpful at all, but the system is still broken and will remain broken until we join the rest of the civilized world and provide public healthcare for everyone.

Agreed! Yes, I too also think, more work needs to be done to make ACA more affordable for middle to high income families. But broadly speaking, ACA has made health care more available and more inclusive for more Americans than ever, in history.

Too steal and plagiarize an MLK/Obama quote:

• "The arc of truly affordable heath care for ALL Americans maybe (Repub obstructed unnecessarily) long, but I'm hopeful it bends towards "universal health care" or "Medicare for all."

• Just like much of the rest of the civilized world, as you've nicely stated.

[EihTooms]

It appears the central witness in Trump Attorney General Sean Hannity and ChristoFascist Mike's Impeachment case against President Hunter Biden has been busted for lying mercilessly about all the bits that so endeared him to Winger Repubs.

What will replace Impeaching President Hunter Biden as the Repub Getting Smaller and Smaller All The Time Pink Tinkle House as their top if not only priority?

Controlling the border? Nope. They are not interested.

Reducing crime? Nope. Biden has already done that.

Reducing Inflation? Nope. Biden has already done that.

Recover the economy from the most recent Great Repub Crash and Jobs Destruction? Nope. Biden has already done that.

Fund international resistance against terrorism and authoritarian dictatorship aggression for pennies on the dollar? Nope. Not interested.

Anything?

Guess they'll have to continue to live up to their well earned and well deserved Do Nothing Repub reputation.

Special counsel charges FBI informant with lying to the bureau about Hunter and Joe Biden.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/15/spec...ndroidappshare

Washington An FBI confidential human source has been indicted on two counts of allegedly feeding the bureau false information about President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden during the 2020 presidential campaign.

Alexander Smirnov, 43, who disliked President Joe Biden, was arrested in Las Vegas after returning from a trip overseas, according to the Justice Department. The case grew out of the special counsel investigation being led by David Weiss, who is also leading the case against Hunter Biden. Weiss had been appointed by former President Donald Trump as the top federal prosecutor in Delaware.

The 37-page indictment alleges that Smirnov had been an informant for the FBI since 2010 and "provided false derogatory information to the FBI" about both Bidens after Joe Biden became a candidate for president in 2020.

Smirnov allegedly told the FBI falsely that officials with Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company that Hunter Biden worked for, had told him they hired Hunter Biden because he would "protect us, through his dad, from all kinds of problems. " Smirnov allegedly told the FBI again, falsely that Burisma officials had told him they paid Hunter Biden and Joe Biden $5 million and that it would take investigators 10 years to find the illicit payments to Joe Biden.

[Elvis 2008]

I just don't get why this is so hard for MAGA to understand and comprehend.

Russia, for whatever reasons it may have, attacked a sovereign country UNPROVOKED. And that is WRONG.

Why even spin the situation or give "reasonings" for Russia?

The sovereign nation of Ukraine was part of the old USSR and contingent on being a sovereign nation was an agreement between Russia and the West that Ukraine not possess nuclear weapons. Japan made provisions with the USA after surrendering in WW 2. If Japan violated those agreements, the USA would be justified in going to war with Japan.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/i...ew-with-putin/

The day before Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, as the biased press loves to call it, Zelensky stood up and announced he would seek to rearm Ukraine with nuclear weapons pointed at Russia. Putin mentioned in a speech to the people on February 23rd that night that Ukraine announced it would rearm with nuclear weapons as one of the reasons to justify entering the Donbas.

Ukraine shut off water to Crimea, launched bombers into the Dombass, coddled neonazis, and none other than Kamala Harris spoke of Ukraine joining NATO. Then we hear of all these weird biolabs in Ukraine getting funded by the Pentagon and Victoria Nuland worrying they might fall into Russian hands, https://greenwald.substack.com/p/vic...has-biological.

That's what sovereignty of a country is. They do whatever the hell they want within their borders without breaking any laws to protect their land.

So putting nuclear and potentially bioweapons on another nation's doorstep is not provocation unless it is the USA and Cuba. Then it is provocation, but when it is Ukraine and Russia, it is not. Got it. Yeah, I cannot believe why MAGA idiots could be so dumb as to be confused by that.

[Xpartan]

I just don't get why this is so hard for MAGA to understand and comprehend.

Because they don't want to understand. That would hurt for they put all their eggs into Trump's basket. There're nothing left.

Now why Trump is so enthusiastic about sucking a third-rate dictator's cock, I might have an idea.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business

Putin is cashing in on his enormous investment in Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pbYSp0ROmo

"Russiagate", my ass!

[CheckMate1]

No I don't. I'm seeing a lot of Republicans backing Ukraine's heroic war effort against the Russian aggression. Probably not as much because of heroism, but because they rightly see that this is a fight the whole civilized world against modern-day barbarians.

No Elvis. The problem is you. You, trumpers, right-wingers, unscrupulous demagogues who're willing to embrace war criminals and mass murderers in a fight against your own democracy.

As for that Boris Johnson hot bullshit, I've already answered in the Ukraine thread.

I just don't get why this is so hard for MAGA to understand and comprehend.

Russia, for whatever reasons it may have, attacked a sovereign country UNPROVOKED. And that is WRONG.

Why even spin the situation or give "reasonings" for Russia?

Today, I heard Tommy Tuberville on a radio show saying that Russia attacked Ukraine because US put weapons in countries near Russia.

1st. Last I check, US does not put weapons in any countries without their permission (more like invitations because they fear Russia would do the same to them as Ukraine). That's what sovereignty of a country is. They do whatever the hell they want within their borders without breaking any laws to protect their land. Example: North and South Korea have troops within shouting distance, and yet no body invaded the other guy for 50+ years.

2nd. Why is a US Senator blaming his country for Russia attacking Ukraine, UNPROVOKED? And since he part of the government, is he blaming himself?

[Xpartan]

(...kkkk!)

Biden's Affordable Care Act (ACA) Accomplishments:
A record number 20 Million join ACA. 8 Million Americas have signed up for ACA during the Biden's term, the largest expansion of healthcare ever.
Biden's Continued Investment in ACA, has made healthcare really affordable and lowered costs
Under Biden, 80% (or 4/5) Americans can get healthcare insurance for as little as $10/month

While I agree with your praises of Biden's economic achievements, healthcare is not one of them.

Yes, I can see claims of $10 coverage for 80% Americans, but I'll believe it when I see it in practice. No one who makes any kind of money beyond mere peanuts would be eligible for this kind of premiums. The policy I pay for my family members costs $ hundreds a month and has a high deductible, copayments and co-insurance. In addition, the credits for buying a policy come out of your tax deductions anyway. I'm not saying ACA isn't helpful at all, but the system is still broken and will remain broken until we join the rest of the civilized world and provide public healthcare for everyone.

[EihTooms]

Here is your answer.

Trumps threat to NATO allies draws little condemnation from GOP, reflecting his grip on the party

It's easy. He remarked once that his disciples wouldn't care if he shot someone on Times Square (and he was right). So why would they flinch now? Their lord and savior simply can't do wrong.

Politicians are another matter. To them it's about survival, nothing more.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-nat...e0424f73d478cc

Trump, ChristoFascist Mike and their fellow classic Repubs have not only finally proven to the people of America that they are 100% in favor of Open Borders for America as witnessed by their killing the strictest, most "conservative", bi-partisan Immigration Reform bill ever handed to them, but they are also proving to the world they are 100% in favor of ENCOURAGING lawless aggressors to cross borders everywhere on the planet to "do whatever the hell they want"!

And don't think for one minute Trump's public message to Vladimir Putin regarding invading any NATO member country he damn well pleases with his full and dutiful consent does not include the NATO country member known at least up to now as The United States of America.

Trump's hatred for America, democracy, national sovereignty and border security at home and abroad knows no bounds and has been revealed for all the world to see.

Dems continue to way over perform their poll numbers vs Repubs and win elections, now even when classic phony Repub outrage issues such as Immigration and Border Control are the top concerns of the electorate. And understandably so.