American Politics

[Tiny 12]

Elvis has been banging the heart risk drum for a long time. Whilst I agree on the corruption in pharma and the stupidity of the vax mandates, I have been ignoring the heart issue.

But this chat is very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3MPnBpfrRk

Don't worry, you won't see it on mainstream TV, bcos alternative ideas are censored in the west.

....Covid causes blood clots or more correctly it causes the immune system to make blood clots and yes, the process is often like lupus. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2027508.....

Another thought provoking link JustTK. I've been super busy with work and family lately, so have only managed to watch about 1/2 the video so far. I'm coming away with a very different view from you and Elvis. The piece pisses me off too, but because I think it's indicative of how screwed up the American health care system is. The drug companies are pushing high cost pharmaceuticals and treatments that may offer negligible benefit. Government is fining the hell out of them, $14 billion according to the cardiologist, further running up costs. And then of course there's the issue of the plaintiff's lawyers and their lawsuits against the drug companies, which wasn't even brought up.

I tend to believe this guy when he's talking about statins and the like. I don't know, because my doctor's never prescribed those for me, so I've never looked at them closely.

I think he's probably largely full of crap about the COVID vaccine. I say that after initially thinking maybe he's on to something and I've been mistaken. But looking at CDC and UK data, the death rates from heart attacks and other heart disease haven't really gone up since the start of 2021. From listening to him you'd think that deaths from heart disease should be up 20%. They're not.

A second point he brought up, that you had to vaccinate 7320 people over the age of 18 to save one life during the Omicron wave, is absurd. In the USA, about 300,000 people have died from Omicron, or 1 out of every 1,000 Americans. Given the vaccines proven ability to drastically lower the risk of hospitalization and death among older and higher risk individuals, I just don't believe his number. He also said you had to vaccinate 230 over the age 18 to save one life during the Delta wave. I don't really have a problem with that number, it sounds reasonable.

On shows like Carlson's, they make a big deal over the tiny chance of dying from COVID. Well, it's not tiny if you're old or high risk, and this may just stick around longer than, say, the 1918 flu epidemic. There will probably be more waves. People may get COVID many times over their lifetimes. The vaccine trains your immune system to deal with the virus. I'd much rather get that training through vaccination instead of disease.

I've gotten the vaccines and three boosters. If I were a young person, the decision would be more difficult. I'm convinced for people like me, the risk of dying from COVID the disease, as a result of blood clots, or myocardia, or whatever, is a lot higher than dying from the vaccine, as a result of blood clots, myocardia, etc. For younger people that potentially are going to get boosted annually, I'm not sure whether or not the risk reward ratio is in favor of getting the vaccine. I suspect it is, but I don't know.

[Tiny 12]

I've been working on the Book of Tiny, which will be part of the scripture of the Free Markets Church of Tiny. The Book of Tiny preaches a message of love and redemption. But it has come to my attention that the Book of Tiny must be accompanied by fire and brimstone. That's the only way this will work. There's the New Testament and the Old Testament. The good cop and the bad cop. And now, there will be the Book of Tiny and the Book of Elvis.

I have decided to take some of the writings of Elvis and provide commentary. This is a lot like what you might have done in Sunday School, when you take a verse and then talk about it for an hour, to extract a deep and profound understanding of the words. And so I shall begin.

Isn't the whole point of racism not looking at people as a group and to get to know them as individuals when determining their worth? A

When you call a president the devil, you are calling him evil and all his 75 million supporters at worst evil and at best stupid.

Barton Swaim, writing in the Wall Street Journal, has provided an excellent guide to understanding the words of Elvis I've quoted above. Some excerpts appear below.

The most obvious change in American politics this century is the sorting of voters along educational lines. The Democrats are increasingly the party of educated urban elites; the GOP belongs to the white working class. The dispute is over suburban and minority voters. The latter still plump mostly for Democrats, although the party's social radicalism is pushing them toward the GOP. Voters with impressive educational credentials tend to be Democrats, and those without them lean strongly Republican.

That one party is the educated partythat its members see themselves, in some respects accurately, as more cultured and informed than their opponentshas generated an intellectual pathology that is obvious to everyone but themselves. Adherents of the smart-people party have lost the capacity for self-criticism. Which on its face makes sense. If your views are by definition intelligent, those of your critics must be dumb. Who needs self-reflection?

We can start to understand the Democrats' predicament by ridding ourselves of a set of metaphors. For a decade or more, we've been told that left and right live in "silos" or "bubbles" or "echo chambers" or "information cocoons. " The left watch MSNBC and read the New York Times, and the right watch Fox News and listen to talk radio.

In any case, the silo / bubble metaphor doesn't describe American politics in the 2020's for the simple reason that there is no silo or bubble. Or if there is, it's very large and almost exclusively populated by adherents of the smart-people party.

If you're on the right, you simply can't isolate yourself from the habits and attitudes of left-liberal progressivism. They are everywhere. The most determined imbiber of right-wing opinion still watches television and movies and reads the mainstream press. The left-liberal outlook is expressed everywhere in these media, and generally it isn't expressed as viewpoint but as established fact.

The left-liberal outlook has triumphed across American culturein corporate boardrooms, in government agencies, in sports and entertainment institutions, in K-12 education bureaucracies, in universities and in media organizations. But that is precisely what has robbed progressives, especially those in the political class and in the media, of any ability to criticize themselves or doubt their own righteousness. They dont engage with serious arguments advanced by the other side. They live in a world in which it is possible to pass through a month without encountering much in the way of serious conservative opinion. When they do encounter a conservative view, it is precategorized as fringe or extreme by the calm, omniscient NPR voice that relates its content.

And so progressives have become, if I could put it bluntly, incurious and lazy. Every conservative journalist born in the last 70 or 80 years has, early in his career, come to the sad realization that liberal writers and intellectuals, the people conservatives are so careful to read and react to, dont actually read conservatives or know much about the right. Their attitude recalls that wonderful line in Casablanca when Ugarte (Peter Lorre) asks Rick (Humphrey Bogart), You despise me, dont you? Rick’s answer: “If I gave you any thought, I probably would.”

....Something about Mr. Trump gave Democrats and liberal journalists all the emotional license they needed to discount, once and for all, any possibility that a Republican might have a point. No party that could nominate Mr. Trump deserved further thought; the GOP had, in their eyes, defenestrated what was left of its legitimacy..

Consider the past two years of Democratic governance. A slender majority in the USA House and a 50-50 tie in the Senate somehow led Democrats to believe they had no opposition to speak of. At times they seemed literally to believe this, as when Sen. Bernie Sanders and others fulminated against his Democratic colleagues Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema for resisting President Biden's so-called Build Back Better billas if the bill had two opponents and not 52.

On economics, Republicans warned the administration in early 2021 about the danger that trillions in spending would inflate the currency. Their warnings were ignored. Inflation exploded, and the administration denied it. In August 2022 President Biden asserted that inflation was "zero percent. " he was, absurdly, comparing that month's prices to the previous month's, ignoring everything that happened before July.

A global energy shortage has sent gas and electricity prices skyward. Congressional Democrats and the administration might easily have backed off their green commitments, promoted fracking and increased domestic oil production, at least on a temporary basis. That would have brought prices down, which was the only outcome Mr. Biden and other elected Democrats appeared to care about. I am not aware that such a policy change was ever considered.

Rarely in politics does anyone admit fault. You don't expect high-ranking members of either party to acknowledge straightforwardly that they were wrong about anything. But people sometimes adjust, even if they don't admit they're adjusting. After the 2022 midterm elections, in which Democrats outperformed expectations but still lost the U.S. House, the president was asked what, in light of the fact that three quarters of Americans say the country is headed in the wrong direction, he plans to do differently in the future. His reply: Nothing. You can discount Mr. Bidens words for senescence, but that answer expressed perfectly the solipsistic self-confidence of his party.

Even if the Democrats had been crushed in the 2022 midterm elections, they would have been unable to adjust. Their cultural dominance discourages them from changing course, which is why they can be counted on to invent exogenous reasons for electoral defeats: an allegedly racist TV ad in 1988, shenanigans in Florida in 2000, faulty voting machines in Ohio in 2004, collusion with Russia in 2016. Mr. Trump adopted this custom with abandon in 2020, but Republicans, who arent encouraged by elite culture to think themselves infallible, usually blame each other for electoral losses. Hence the 2013 autopsy, as wrongheaded as it was. There is no Democratic correlative to such a document..

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the...es-11670592902

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[ChuchoLoco]

Yes, I can read and I can count.

Your very first post about this was that "Eisenhower got the idea (for the Interstate Highway System) from Germany after wwI".

Your second statement about it was that "Ike did get them started in 1956. ".

Sorry, YOUR link and MY link, the SAME link, refutes those statements and debunk them as the myths they have always been.

The 1956 signing was not the culmination of anything Eisenhower conceived of, started, proposed, fought for or legislated. All of that started in 1939 under FDR, not 1953 or 1956 under Eisenhower. 1939 is earlier than both 1953 and 1956. That's where the math part comes in.

The 1956 signing does not contradict what OUR link states and what I characterized about Eisenhower simply saying, "Sure, go ahead with the plan, I won't try to stop it. ".

In seasonal Merry Christmas terms, OUR link shows that somebody else, not Eisenhower, conceived of a great gift for America, somebody else, not Eisenhower, researched what would be the best version of that gift, somebody else, not Eisenhower, shopped for the gift, somebody else, not Eisenhower, bought the gift, somebody else, not Eisenhower, carried the gift home, somebody else, not Eisenhower, wrapped the gift, somebody else, not Eisenhower, placed the gift under the tree, then Eisenhower signed the gift card.

Kudos to Ike for not trying to throw the gift in the trash bin and instead simply signing the gift card and heading back to the golf course. But that is essentially the only thing he had to do with that nearly 20 year conception, plan and legislative journey.

But neither of the Eisenhower-related myths you repeated here are supported by OUR link while my assertions about them are.

Well I still disagree with you and you with me and to tell you the truth I really don't care about this and I doubt anyone else does either since it's you and me only. In any event, Happy Hollidays. If you're in USA and all who are, I hope your weather is better than what happening in my area. This really is a great time to be in Colombia perfect weather, lots of awesome lights and a great mood in the air. By the way I heard that Ike wanted to help Colombia build an interstate system there too or maybe it was FDR.

[EihTooms]

Did you see that I used the same Federal Highway Administration site? Cherry pick all you want. You seem to want to make this personal and want to make it a the vs are debate. For what it's worth, I have been a straight party the for longer than you have been out of diapers which from the way you act wasn't that long ago. But because of people like you and the way Dems ass kiss the are's I may choose otherwise in the future. Tip O'Neal the red nosed alcoholic had Raygun's dick in his mouth most of the time. Some Irish brotherhood thing. Look at all the Dems who voted for the Iraq war. How about abandoning Al Frankin like they did for a stupid 30 year old harmless picture? By the way, when you're in line waiting for your dream puta, the guy who just blasted in her mouth may have been an are. So you will be like most of the the's in Washington. Like I said, I have been a straight party line Dem for over 53 years but that has now changed but I will never be a Republican either.

Yes, I can read and I can count.

Your very first post about this was that "Eisenhower got the idea (for the Interstate Highway System) from Germany after wwI".

Your second statement about it was that "Ike did get them started in 1956. ".

Sorry, YOUR link and MY link, the SAME link, refutes those statements and debunk them as the myths they have always been.

The 1956 signing was not the culmination of anything Eisenhower conceived of, started, proposed, fought for or legislated. All of that started in 1939 under FDR, not 1953 or 1956 under Eisenhower. 1939 is earlier than both 1953 and 1956. That's where the math part comes in.

The 1956 signing does not contradict what OUR link states and what I characterized about Eisenhower simply saying, "Sure, go ahead with the plan, I won't try to stop it. ".

In seasonal Merry Christmas terms, OUR link shows that somebody else, not Eisenhower, conceived of a great gift for America, somebody else, not Eisenhower, researched what would be the best version of that gift, somebody else, not Eisenhower, shopped for the gift, somebody else, not Eisenhower, bought the gift, somebody else, not Eisenhower, carried the gift home, somebody else, not Eisenhower, wrapped the gift, somebody else, not Eisenhower, placed the gift under the tree, then Eisenhower signed the gift card.

Kudos to Ike for not trying to throw the gift in the trash bin and instead simply signing the gift card and heading back to the golf course. But that is essentially the only thing he had to do with that nearly 20 year conception, plan and legislative journey.

But neither of the Eisenhower-related myths you repeated here are supported by OUR link while my assertions about them are.

[Elvis 2008]

Elvis has been banging the heart risk drum for a long time. Whilst I agree on the corruption in pharma and the stupidity of the vax mandates, I have been ignoring the heart issue.

But this chat is very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3MPnBpfrRk

Don't worry, you won't see it on mainstream TV, bcos alternative ideas are censored in the west.

TK, Systemic lupus erythematosus or lupus is an autoimmune disorder where the body attacks its own soft tissues. One thing seen with lupus is known as a lupus anticoagulant or antiphospholipid syndrome. This is where activating the immune system causes the immune system to make blood clots.

Covid causes blood clots or more correctly it causes the immune system to make blood clots and yes, the process is often like lupus. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2027508.

In their letter to the editor, Bowles et al. (July 16 issue) 1 report on a study in which 20% of the patients with Covid-19 had a prolonged activated partial-thromboplastin time (aPTT), and in 31 of 34 patients, evidence of lupus anticoagulant was detected by means of plasma-based laboratory methods. These findings provide support for a phenomenon described by Wenzel et al. , who found evidence of lupus anticoagulant in 52% of critically ill patients (before the Covid-19 pandemic).

So if you taking a vaccine and "activating the immune system" which fights Covid, wouldn't you expect blood clots? To me, you would have to prove not that the vaccine does produce clots but that it does not.

And yeah, all the data the doctor in that video lists supports the idea that yes, the vaccine does cause a dramatic and often deadly increase from blood clots.

And yes, if the vaccine manufacturers were not given blanket immunity, they would be bankrupt right now from all the lawsuits.

FWIW, TK, covid has been making a comeback but it pares in comparison to the influenza A and RSV being seen now. Of these three virus types, patients with Covid are the least sick by far.

[JustTK]

Elvis has been banging the heart risk drum for a long time. Whilst I agree on the corruption in pharma and the stupidity of the vax mandates, I have been ignoring the heart issue.

But this chat is very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3MPnBpfrRk

Don't worry, you won't see it on mainstream TV, bcos alternative ideas are censored in the west.

[Elvis 2008]

Superb presentation on economic decline of USA, with parallels to 20th century Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS-eCnCneyA

No offense, TK, but you are off the boat with all this anti-American stuff. Consider this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_re..._United_States.

He Minerals Management Service (MMS) estimates the Federal Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) contains between 66.6 and 115.1 billion barrels (10.59109 and 18.30109 m3) of undiscovered technically recoverable crude oil, with a mean estimate of 85.9 billion barrels (13.66109 m3).

At $100 a barrel, that is $8. 6 trillion worth of oil and to be clear TK, that is with current technology. Guys in the oil industry I have spoken would easily double that 86 billion barrel estimate. And if you assume better technology and drilling, you could get to $30 trillion and that is just one American asset.

And our government owns huge portions of the Western States, 2. 27 billon acres worth trillions of dollars as well.

The American Midwest has the most productive farm land in the world. Our canal system has more river waterways then the rest of the world combined. Our transportation system, though not without flaws, is also the world's best and of course, we have the strongest military with trillions in equipment.

If you look at the debt in and of itself, which is what everyone does who wants to call the USA's downfall imminent, it is scary, but they always compare it to other things. Countries tend to default when 30% of their total revenue goes to paying down debt. In the USA, last I looked, that number was 7%. And looking at debt without looking at assets is a fool's errand.

Cryptocurrency / bitcoin was supposed to be an antidote to the endless American money printing as was gold. One has gone tits up while the other has done nothing. If a Colombian held his savings in dollars versus pesos over the last 3 years, he would be like 50 or 60% richer today.

Anyone thinking China is going to overtake the USA has not looked into China much. They have the mother of all real estate bubbles and the debt they have accumulated at the local level is at nose bleed levels. Comparing the USA to 1920 Germany is literally insane.

[PVMonger]

Elvis, If your going to make up false claims and project any such baises, bigotry, prejudices, hate speech, name calling, slurs and slander on other BMs, it would behoove you to also provide
examples/proof of said scurrilous infractions, from the accused BMs.

But no doubt and true to form, much like your QAnon\Repub election denying brethren, who continually make up false claims about election fraud by the Dems, without proof and substantiated evidential facts, you only serve to incriminate yourself of the very thing you are accusing other of being.

Just for the Record:
For the record, when you say "...there are against people who vote Republican.", it couldn't be further from the truth. Unlike the Repubs, who insidiously and maniacally plot to subvert, suppress and deny Americans the right to vote, I love Americans who get out and vote, period.

What now? You lost me on so many levels with, "Again, PVM, Tooms, and Spidy are the most prejudiced people...". Really? Compared to whom? How would you know? Is Tiny 12, really supposed to believe that?

Just because we (Dems) provide opposing arguments, counterpoints and disagree with (what I often consider, IMHO) political Repub rhetoric or right-wing dogma, you call us "the most prejudiced
people" and "there are against people who vote Republican."Really!? Is that really what you think?

Just to be clear:
TO BE CLEAR, I don't care (or give a flying f#cK,), if you vote for the Dems, the Repubs, or for the Independents. I care about the ease of access, available, seamless and uncomplicated voting; and of course, the right for ALL eligible Americans to VOTE! PERIOD!!!

TO BE CLEAR, I'm HERE to argue the governing politics and policies of Dems and Repub political parties, or politics from the World at large, as it my pertain to the US. And of course those politicians, placed in office to "dutifully", "responsibly" and with earnest "accountability", deemed to carry out and serve the will of their respective constituencies.

TO BE CLEAR, I'm mostly "against" the boneheaded, knucklehead, wrongheaded, misguided, bias, unfair, unjust, discriminatory and partisan policies and laws that go against rights, wishes of the majority of Americans, be it Dems or Repubs. It just so happens, Repubs fall into this category more often than not.

TO BE CLEAR, while I suspect YOU, Elvis, may take the discussion here personally, I DO NOT! ...IT'S NOT PERSONAL for me! (Truth be told, it actually been fun, time permitted!)

TO BE CLEAR, you continue to be you. I wouldn't have it any other way. Continue to call me names, if that makes you sleep better at nights, as I'm a big-boy and can take it (figuratively speaking). But don't project your biases, bigotry or prejudices on me, without providing examples of me committing said infractions.

TO BE CLEAR, (although you and Tiny 12 may think otherwise), it's not a "Dems good" and "Repubs bad" thing either. I just happen to think and believe, by and large, Dems do a way better job in office, servicing the needs of most Americans, than when Repubs are in office. Heck, if Repubs made better polices and stood for more just & equal rights and laws for Americans, I'd vote Red.

TO BE CLEAR, (for Tiny 12 and other BMs reading this), Elvis, I know you posted/responded to Tiny 12, but I just wanted to MAKE IT CLEAR, I am not attacking Tiny 12. Tiny 12 has always been respectful in his posts (and has made his arguments, without the "D-bag" type name calling and childish antics, towards other BMs) and has always pretty much, stuck to providing good counterpoints to the topics of political discussion.

Clear enough?

One thing the Repubs are excellent at is calling every source that isn't rightwingnut-media-based "fake news. They forget that Goebbels coined the exact same phrase (but in German, naturally) 80-or-90-some-odd years ago.

Another thing they are excellent at is "projection". I won't bother to describe what "projection" is and certainly not with a source for the reason mentioned above.

Repubs are also excellent at misusing terms. For instance, they love calling the "National Socialist German Workers Party" "socialist" because the title contains the word "socialist". They rage against ANTIFA and forget that, depending upon their age, their fathers or grandfathers, uncles, etc. Fought AGAINST fascism 80-some-odd years ago.

Repubs have yet to explain how their "red wave" of 2022 turned into a "pink trickle" other than to say, without evidence of course, that various elections were "stolen".

There's a reason that I call them the Moron Brigade.

[ChuchoLoco]

My source was the Federal Highway Administration. I don't think you will find them contradicting the myths they took the extraordinary time and effort to debunk that you have bought all these years elsewhere in that source.

Clearly, they were so weary of hearing the myths you repeated here repeated everywhere for so many decades that they decided to devote an entire section of their site to debunking them and officially set the record straight once and for all.

LOL. Whenever the topic of "What meaningful accomplishment have Repubs done for America in the past 20,30, 50 or 100 years" comes up, some poor ill-informed pro-Repub soul inevitably races to that "Eisenhower gave us the Interstate Highway System" myth.

But he didn't.

Oh, no doubt that mythical spin on it probably began in 1956, almost 20 years after the hard legislative work and planning began, just to make it look like some great Ike idea and accomplishment. Mainstream Media were no less pro Repub then than they are now.

The Federal Highway Administration simply got sick of being asked about it so often to settle bar bets or whatever that they finally had to include the fully debunking of that myth as well as a couple of others you tried to float here right on their website.

And, mind you, if you scroll down that page you will see the information was updated in 2019. That was a time when the latest Repub in the White House had already flushed Trillions down the shitter with nothing but fewer jobs created and zero economic gain to show for it. And it was also an administration chock full of the most and biggest liars in USA potus administration history.

So if there was ever a time when Repubs could have gotten into the government data bases to re-write and revise history, twist and spin it to make it at least appear that, yep, once upon a time in the past 100 years a Repub really did do something meaningful for America, that was the time for it.

But they couldn't.

Did you see that I used the same Federal Highway Administration site? Cherry pick all you want. You seem to want to make this personal and want to make it a the vs are debate. For what it's worth, I have been a straight party the for longer than you have been out of diapers which from the way you act wasn't that long ago. But because of people like you and the way Dems ass kiss the are's I may choose otherwise in the future. Tip O'Neal the red nosed alcoholic had Raygun's dick in his mouth most of the time. Some Irish brotherhood thing. Look at all the Dems who voted for the Iraq war. How about abandoning Al Frankin like they did for a stupid 30 year old harmless picture? By the way, when you're in line waiting for your dream puta, the guy who just blasted in her mouth may have been an are. So you will be like most of the the's in Washington. Like I said, I have been a straight party line Dem for over 53 years but that has now changed but I will never be a Republican either.

[Spidy]

Well, it would be so much easier for Spidy and the rest of us to do that if only Repubs would for the love of gawd stop producing the worst results in history whenever the American electorate is careless, distracted, suckered or dumb enough to give them so much as a Red Tinkle opportunity to do it.

Somewhere around Reagan's first horrific term as potus, Repubs simply gave up trying to produce anything but their usual historic crap results while also deciding it would be easier and more politically rewarding for them to devote all their time trolling Dems and trying to thwart consistently superior Dem results instead. You know, to "own the libs".

They have essentially been running election campaigns on that "platform" ever since. And, post-1988, that "platform" has pretty much been a bust for them in terms of winning the most votes in presidential races. Which is obviously a big reason they then had to add rigging, cheating, suppression of likely Dem votes, violent, cop-killing insurrections, attempts to overturn free and fair elections and overthrow American democracy to their "own the libs" election campaign strategy.

Hey, maybe a few Trump Digital Trading Card gifts will win us over and we'll stop rankling you with the truth about "Repubs bad, Dems good. ".

So true!

This reminds me of something funny, I heard recently. Someone asked, what's with the QAnon/Repubs, weird obsession with "secure metal boxes/containers"?

So, whether it's Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, wanting to removing mailboxes around the country, or various red/swing states removing and banning drop-off boxes or QAnon/MAGA vigilante creepy stalker drop-box watchers, the Repubs, look even more half-witted and crazy, as they demonize and blame those bad "secure metal boxes" for their election loses and their voting numbers.

It is just so comically hilarious, as they continually sell the idea of the bad "metal boxes" ploy, to their gullible base, as means to avoid the hard truths & real problems within the party.

Instead of asking the tough questions: ie.

• Did you run a good candidate?
• Did you properly vet your candidate?
• Did you put forth good ideas, polices and/or messages?
• Did you run a good campaign?
• Was your campaign relevant/specific the needs your constituency or just more Trump election denial rhetoric?
• Did you talk to your constituency?
• Are we putting out a product that a majority of Americans want? Or just more hard line Repub dogma?

And finally, if blaming those bad "metal boxes", isn't enough, the QAnon/Repub spectacle of pantomime and theater, will get out and parade around in nonsense about election fraud, in an attempt to please their base and the pretense of doing something meaningful.

Nope, QAnon\Repubs would rather blame bad "metal boxes", than to introspectively examine party ideology and policies.

[Spidy]

LOL. False claims? You yourself have called Trump the devil so much that you think you are stating a fact instead of displaying how arrogant you are. When you call a president the devil, you are calling him evil and all his 75 million supporters at worst evil and at best stupid. ...

Classic Elvis, projection, false equivalencies and wrongheaded thinking. Elvis logic, at its best (or should I say worst).

But just for fun, laughs and giggles, let's follow Elvis' unhinged logic for a moment, down the rabbit hole.

Notice, that in the magical world of Elvis logic, he and the 75 million supports bleed "orange" and anything negatively said in the media, about Agent Orange, (for reasons unknown) is internalize and projected on one's self, and seen as a real and a personal affront.

So since Donnie "the devil" Dummkopf (aka.Trump, aka.Agent Orange) has behaved very badly and has been called out by the media, for such transgressions, according Elvis' logic, by extension, that would make him and the the 75 million supporters (which are really only just temporary voters), personified as being:

• Lairs
• Pussy Grabbers
• Tax cheats
• Grifter
• Losers
• the Orange Baboons
• Donnie Dumbasses
• Putin's Puppets
• Racists
• Incompetent
• Clowns
• Narcissists
• Bullies
• Ignorant
• Idiots

Welcome to the political magical world of Elvis logic. No political "fairy dust" necessary, to conjure up delusions of MAGA self-loathing!

Donald Trump called ‘the devil’ by Mexican economic minister
https://www.breitbart.com/border/201...-nafta-stance/
https://www.newsweek.com/mexico-devi...rtation-501375

According to Elvis logic, all Mexicans, are now racists? Perhaps you shouldn't monger there anymore?

[EihTooms]

You can visit the same site and get a different spin on the history. If you visit the same site you listed but go a little further and look under featured for Ike's Interstate at 50 you will get a different spin.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/history.cfm but you need to type it.

This is the perfect example of why sources, in this case the same one, are worthless. You can look and find a source to back up whatever.

Funny about tee time. Definitely agree on that one.

P.S: I was a math wiz in my much younger days and math has nothing to do with this discussion. You took my original post the wrong way and started with the wise ass remarks and I followed with same. Enough said about everything.

Ps2: same hook, line and sinker that you swallowed.

My source was the Federal Highway Administration. I don't think you will find them contradicting the myths they took the extraordinary time and effort to debunk that you have bought all these years elsewhere in that source.

Clearly, they were so weary of hearing the myths you repeated here repeated everywhere for so many decades that they decided to devote an entire section of their site to debunking them and officially set the record straight once and for all.

LOL. Whenever the topic of "What meaningful accomplishment have Repubs done for America in the past 20,30, 50 or 100 years" comes up, some poor ill-informed pro-Repub soul inevitably races to that "Eisenhower gave us the Interstate Highway System" myth.

But he didn't.

Oh, no doubt that mythical spin on it probably began in 1956, almost 20 years after the hard legislative work and planning began, just to make it look like some great Ike idea and accomplishment. Mainstream Media were no less pro Repub then than they are now.

The Federal Highway Administration simply got sick of being asked about it so often to settle bar bets or whatever that they finally had to include the fully debunking of that myth as well as a couple of others you tried to float here right on their website.

And, mind you, if you scroll down that page you will see the information was updated in 2019. That was a time when the latest Repub in the White House had already flushed Trillions down the shitter with nothing but fewer jobs created and zero economic gain to show for it. And it was also an administration chock full of the most and biggest liars in USA potus administration history.

So if there was ever a time when Repubs could have gotten into the government data bases to re-write and revise history, twist and spin it to make it at least appear that, yep, once upon a time in the past 100 years a Repub really did do something meaningful for America, that was the time for it.

But they couldn't.

[EihTooms]

She was when she voted on this bill and would have not had unless it had a provision for protecting the rich. If you are not outright lying, at the very least you are being deceptive. You have a Democrat making sure the rich did not pay higher taxes which is what you Democratic douches are supposedly so against.

And as you say, the Democrats are the rich, and we got a first hand look at where that Covid stimulus money was going in the Twitter files.

While regular businesses with hard working people were shut down, we saw the gobs of money tossed to the Twitter censors and their FBI overloads. That was "essential" labor donchaknow.

And I know that Dems are richer than Republicans because the new game is taking over government and making sure government money flows to the companies which support the Democrats. I repeat, look at where the stimulus money went and who it benefitted the most.

And how is that portfolio doing Tooms since April when I called you out on your holding stocks when the Fed was raising rates?

Oh, yeah, I forgot. You do not check it. It is probably doing great.

2023 cannot be any worse. I mean, look who is in office right?

Sinema was a DINO at the time. Now she is openly not a Democrat. You either hadn't been informed about the truth of it, deceptively stated or outright lied that she IS a Democrat.

As a DINO, she voted to help the wealthy get wealthier at the great expense of everyone else just like ALL of the Repub Senators did.

My portfolio is doing fine without my hourly, daily, weekly or monthly attention, thanks.

How was your portfolio doing at this same point in Trump's presidency when you apparently didn't short the market at his election or inauguration yet it is likely the stock market will have done better by now under Biden than it did under Trump?

Maybe your trusted formula actually should have been based on which Party won the White House rather than that yield curve thingy. It would have worked out better for you at this point in each of the two most recent presidencies. And it would have worked out much, much, much better for you if you had done it that way in the previous 5-6 presidencies!

[Elvis 2008]

Krysten Sinema is not a Democrat.

She was when she voted on this bill and would have not had unless it had a provision for protecting the rich. If you are not outright lying, at the very least you are being deceptive. You have a Democrat making sure the rich did not pay higher taxes which is what you Democratic douches are supposedly so against.

And as you say, the Democrats are the rich, and we got a first hand look at where that Covid stimulus money was going in the Twitter files.

While regular businesses with hard working people were shut down, we saw the gobs of money tossed to the Twitter censors and their FBI overloads. That was "essential" labor donchaknow.

And I know that Dems are richer than Republicans because the new game is taking over government and making sure government money flows to the companies which support the Democrats. I repeat, look at where the stimulus money went and who it benefitted the most.

So whatever Repubs, Pro Repub Bothsiders, Pro Repub Neithersiders or whatever think they know about a complex national economy like that of the USA is practically irrelevant.

And how is that portfolio doing Tooms since April when I called you out on your holding stocks when the Fed was raising rates?

Oh, yeah, I forgot. You do not check it. It is probably doing great.

2023 cannot be any worse. I mean, look who is in office right?

[Elvis 2008]

Elvis, If your going to make up false claims and project any such baises, bigotry, prejudices, hate speech, name calling, slurs and slander on other BMs, it would behoove you to also provide
examples/proof of said scurrilous infractions, from the accused BMs.

LOL. False claims? You yourself have called Trump the devil so much that you think you are stating a fact instead of displaying how arrogant you are. When you call a president the devil, you are calling him evil and all his 75 million supporters at worst evil and at best stupid.

So sorry, Spidy, the only thing less surprising than your outrage is how clueless you are about yourself. You are acting like a KKK member offended for being called a racist.