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12-21-22 06:18 #11213
Posts: 1119Down the MAGA rabbit-hole
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
But just for fun, laughs and giggles, let's follow Elvis' unhinged logic for a moment, down the rabbit hole.
Notice, that in the magical world of Elvis logic, he and the 75 million supports bleed "orange" and anything negatively said in the media, about Agent Orange, (for reasons unknown) is internalize and projected on one's self, and seen as a real and a personal affront.
So since Donnie "the devil" Dummkopf (aka.Trump, aka.Agent Orange) has behaved very badly and has been called out by the media, for such transgressions, according Elvis' logic, by extension, that would make him and the the 75 million supporters (which are really only just temporary voters), personified as being:
Lairs
Pussy Grabbers
Tax cheats
Grifter
Losers
the Orange Baboons
Donnie Dumbasses
Putin's Puppets
Racists
Incompetent
Clowns
Narcissists
Bullies
Ignorant
Idiots
Welcome to the political magical world of Elvis logic. No political "fairy dust" necessary, to conjure up delusions of MAGA self-loathing!
Donald Trump called the devil by Mexican economic minister
https://www.breitbart.com/border/201...-nafta-stance/
https://www.newsweek.com/mexico-devi...rtation-501375
According to Elvis logic, all Mexicans, are now racists? Perhaps you shouldn't monger there anymore?
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12-21-22 04:53 #11212
Posts: 5454Not really
Originally Posted by ChuchoLoco [View Original Post]
Clearly, they were so weary of hearing the myths you repeated here repeated everywhere for so many decades that they decided to devote an entire section of their site to debunking them and officially set the record straight once and for all.
LOL. Whenever the topic of "What meaningful accomplishment have Repubs done for America in the past 20,30, 50 or 100 years" comes up, some poor ill-informed pro-Repub soul inevitably races to that "Eisenhower gave us the Interstate Highway System" myth.
But he didn't.
Oh, no doubt that mythical spin on it probably began in 1956, almost 20 years after the hard legislative work and planning began, just to make it look like some great Ike idea and accomplishment. Mainstream Media were no less pro Repub then than they are now.
The Federal Highway Administration simply got sick of being asked about it so often to settle bar bets or whatever that they finally had to include the fully debunking of that myth as well as a couple of others you tried to float here right on their website.
And, mind you, if you scroll down that page you will see the information was updated in 2019. That was a time when the latest Repub in the White House had already flushed Trillions down the shitter with nothing but fewer jobs created and zero economic gain to show for it. And it was also an administration chock full of the most and biggest liars in USA potus administration history.
So if there was ever a time when Repubs could have gotten into the government data bases to re-write and revise history, twist and spin it to make it at least appear that, yep, once upon a time in the past 100 years a Repub really did do something meaningful for America, that was the time for it.
But they couldn't.
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12-21-22 04:19 #11211
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
As a DINO, she voted to help the wealthy get wealthier at the great expense of everyone else just like ALL of the Repub Senators did.
My portfolio is doing fine without my hourly, daily, weekly or monthly attention, thanks.
How was your portfolio doing at this same point in Trump's presidency when you apparently didn't short the market at his election or inauguration yet it is likely the stock market will have done better by now under Biden than it did under Trump?
Maybe your trusted formula actually should have been based on which Party won the White House rather than that yield curve thingy. It would have worked out better for you at this point in each of the two most recent presidencies. And it would have worked out much, much, much better for you if you had done it that way in the previous 5-6 presidencies!
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12-21-22 02:25 #11210
Posts: 3234Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
And as you say, the Democrats are the rich, and we got a first hand look at where that Covid stimulus money was going in the Twitter files.
While regular businesses with hard working people were shut down, we saw the gobs of money tossed to the Twitter censors and their FBI overloads. That was "essential" labor donchaknow.
And I know that Dems are richer than Republicans because the new game is taking over government and making sure government money flows to the companies which support the Democrats. I repeat, look at where the stimulus money went and who it benefitted the most.
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Oh, yeah, I forgot. You do not check it. It is probably doing great.
2023 cannot be any worse. I mean, look who is in office right?
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12-21-22 02:06 #11209
Posts: 3234Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
So sorry, Spidy, the only thing less surprising than your outrage is how clueless you are about yourself. You are acting like a KKK member offended for being called a racist.
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12-20-22 18:06 #11208
Posts: 406Sources are worthless
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/history.cfm but you need to type it.
This is the perfect example of why sources, in this case the same one, are worthless. You can look and find a source to back up whatever.
Funny about tee time. Definitely agree on that one.
P.S: I was a math wiz in my much younger days and math has nothing to do with this discussion. You took my original post the wrong way and started with the wise ass remarks and I followed with same. Enough said about everything.
Ps2: same hook, line and sinker that you swallowed.
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12-20-22 06:28 #11207
Posts: 1119Just to be clear on prejudices...
Originally Posted by Elvis [View Original Post]
examples/proof of said scurrilous infractions, from the accused BMs.
But no doubt and true to form, much like your QAnon\Repub election denying brethren, who continually make up false claims about election fraud by the Dems, without proof and substantiated evidential facts, you only serve to incriminate yourself of the very thing you are accusing other of being.
Just for the Record:
For the record, when you say "...there are against people who vote Republican.", it couldn't be further from the truth. Unlike the Repubs, who insidiously and maniacally plot to subvert, suppress and deny Americans the right to vote, I love Americans who get out and vote, period.
What now? You lost me on so many levels with, "Again, PVM, Tooms, and Spidy are the most prejudiced people...". Really? Compared to whom? How would you know? Is Tiny 12, really supposed to believe that?
Just because we (Dems) provide opposing arguments, counterpoints and disagree with (what I often consider, IMHO) political Repub rhetoric or right-wing dogma, you call us "the most prejudiced
people" and "there are against people who vote Republican."Really!? Is that really what you think?
Just to be clear:
TO BE CLEAR, I don't care (or give a flying f#cK,), if you vote for the Dems, the Repubs, or for the Independents. I care about the ease of access, available, seamless and uncomplicated voting; and of course, the right for ALL eligible Americans to VOTE! PERIOD!!!
TO BE CLEAR, I'm HERE to argue the governing politics and policies of Dems and Repub political parties, or politics from the World at large, as it my pertain to the US. And of course those politicians, placed in office to "dutifully", "responsibly" and with earnest "accountability", deemed to carry out and serve the will of their respective constituencies.
TO BE CLEAR, I'm mostly "against" the boneheaded, knucklehead, wrongheaded, misguided, bias, unfair, unjust, discriminatory and partisan policies and laws that go against rights, wishes of the majority of Americans, be it Dems or Repubs. It just so happens, Repubs fall into this category more often than not.
TO BE CLEAR, while I suspect YOU, Elvis, may take the discussion here personally, I DO NOT! ...IT'S NOT PERSONAL for me! (Truth be told, it actually been fun, time permitted!)
TO BE CLEAR, you continue to be you. I wouldn't have it any other way. Continue to call me names, if that makes you sleep better at nights, as I'm a big-boy and can take it (figuratively speaking). But don't project your biases, bigotry or prejudices on me, without providing examples of me committing said infractions.
TO BE CLEAR, (although you and Tiny 12 may think otherwise), it's not a "Dems good" and "Repubs bad" thing either. I just happen to think and believe, by and large, Dems do a way better job in office, servicing the needs of most Americans, than when Repubs are in office. Heck, if Repubs made better polices and stood for more just & equal rights and laws for Americans, I'd vote Red.
TO BE CLEAR, (for Tiny 12 and other BMs reading this), Elvis, I know you posted/responded to Tiny 12, but I just wanted to MAKE IT CLEAR, I am not attacking Tiny 12. Tiny 12 has always been respectful in his posts (and has made his arguments, without the "D-bag" type name calling and childish antics, towards other BMs) and has always pretty much, stuck to providing good counterpoints to the topics of political discussion.
Clear enough?
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12-20-22 02:13 #11206
Posts: 5454I'll bet this is a response you didn't preduct
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
And how does the fact that ALL of the other 50 Senators did absolutely nothing for their taxpayer-funded paycheck and did not support the tax on the wealthy either give them a pass on what was in the bill? Since when?
Oh, by the way, Democratic voters drive and produce the vast majority of the USA economy, accounting for 70% of the country's entire GDP by 2020.
And that is up from 64% when Hillary won the most votes in 2016:
Democratic counties represent 70% of U.S. GDP, 2020 election shows
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/elec...s-economy.html
KEY POINTS
The 2020 elections, chaotic and marked by races too close to call, have nonetheless reaffirmed that, at least in Washington, the two parties now speak for markedly different segments of the U.S. economy.
President Donald Trump carried 2,497 counties across the country that together generate 29% of the American economy, according to a new study by the Brookings Institution.
President-elect Joe Biden won 477 counties that together generate 70% of U.S. GDP.
These differences, if they persist or worsen, could result in partisan gridlock for years to come, a researcher wrote.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/lat...TTc2xxNr7NITHY
So whatever Repubs, Pro Repub Bothsiders, Pro Repub Neithersiders or whatever think they know about a complex national economy like that of the USA is practically irrelevant.
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12-19-22 21:54 #11205
Posts: 1782Economic decline
Superb presentation on economic decline of USA, with parallels to 20th century Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS-eCnCneyA
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12-19-22 07:13 #11204
Posts: 3234Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
Isn't the whole point of racism not looking at people as a group and to get to know them as individuals when determining their worth? Again, PVM, Tooms, and Spidy are the most prejudiced people there are against people who vote Republican.
Then you have these idiots and their claims Republicans are for tax cuts for the rich. Here is what a Democratic senator made sure was put into law https://www.businessinsider.com/tax-...sinema-2022-8:.
Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona on Thursday agreed to back the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, meaning the bill had gained support from all 50 Democrats in the US Senate.
Her cooperation came with the removal of a carried-interest tax provision, a small portion of the bill that targeted a tax break for the wealthy.
It represents a momentary win for some of the richest Americans. The provision had targeted a loophole that can be used to reduce taxes for hedge fund managers and other people who manage money for a living. When fund managers make money for their clients through their investments, they receive a cut of those profits. They're allowed to classify that payment as capital gains, which are subject to lower tax rates than those for salary paychecks and bonuses. With the removal of the provision, fund managers have avoided restrictions that would've made it harder for them to keep to keep paying the same low tax rates on their income.
You can predict the responses: Republicans are even worse, they are more racist ETC but once again, neither of these stories is even about Republicans.
And you know the stuff about Dems and the rich? Here are where some of the richest companies in the world give their money party wise: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/most...donations.html.
The funny part is when you watch the videos of these tech employees at "work". This is a good one: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/sta...95267552960512.
So Musk fires 85% of the people at Twitter, and the viewership goes up, and I see nothing change on the site. And of course, so much of that Covid stimulus money found its way into tech.
And if you follow the Twitter files released by the most independent journalists there are, you will see the FBI actively censoring Republican accounts. So when Democrats talk about freedom of speech, that means they should be able to speak freely but it is okay if everyone else is censored. It is just like Democrats being unable to be racists when they are putting forth racist policies. This is 1984 doublespeak in action.
The funny part though is when it comes to math. Numbers do not care about politics and the funny part is the amount of money in the system is being vacuumed out. The idea you can just print money and not have inflation has been shown to be trashed. It was amazing that this was even a thing.
Tooms has already blamed Republicans of course. Trump and Biden's (but it is really Trump's per Tooms) Powell are responsible for his down year, but he is not seen anything yet. So much of that money in crypto, real estate, and the stock market has gone poof. And the rest of the world has been hit not just by horrible inflation but the decreased purchasing power of the dollar. How do you make record profits when so much money has been taken out of the system?
I was watching these guys talking inflation and predicted that inflation could be negative at the end of the year, and I laughed and thought "Yeah, it could be. " Of course, that would be after a recession that shattered demand.
The funny thing this year has been the market reacting like Dems to the Fed. It is like the Fed is saying "No, we are not giving you anymore handouts. " Then there is a smidgen of data suggesting the Fed will quit raising rates (I. E. Handing the market cheap money) and the market rallies and says, "We know you like us Jay Powell and will give us more money" and he has a press conference and says "No we are not" and then the market ignores him and says, "Well, Powell really did not mean it. ".
It is like thanking Senator Sinema for being a good Democrat (I know she is an independent now as if that matters) and taxing the rich. Sinema and Powell are really on our side, dontchaknow.
Lately then I have just been buying and selling SQQQ with these moves. I buy it in the low to mid 40's and sell half in the high 50's and low 60's. The Nasdaq is down 30% and is still too expensive. Taking the other side of the bets of the crazy Democratic douches has been very profitable. I do not recall ever losing when I bet against insane.
So it is easy to be a Democratic douche when the music is playing and wine is flowing, but when it stops, that is when there will be change, and it has paid well to be a Democratic douche here lately.
For example, that crazy censorship witch at Twitter was getting $17 million a year, but she is out of work now.
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12-19-22 06:35 #11203
Posts: 1807Dear Elvis,
I am currently covered up with work, so have not had an opportunity to comment on your excellent posts. However I shall return. And in the meantime it's been insightful to observe from afar how our Democrat friends treat a token Republican or bothsider or neithersider or whatever it is that they think we are. In their minds they're the sharks, and you're the baby seal. But the reality is that you're the Independent Right of Center Blue Whale, and they are mere minnows, the proverbial gnats on an elephants ass. Keep up the good work.
Your friend,
Tiny.
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12-19-22 00:51 #11202
Posts: 1119Apologies...thanks, but no thanks!
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
Tiny 12, you sound like the Fox News and QAnon/Repub treasonous insurrection apologists for the crimes of the Jan 6th rioters (or are they now victims? Or is it innocent bystanders, just out for a stroll?). You should perhaps, stick to apologizing for your QAnon/Repub/MAGA cult being brainwashed and the faithless grifted donor suckers by Donnie J. Dummkopf and the black-hole that is the right-wing media.
I think, your apologies would be better served addressing the failures and lunacy of your QAnon/Repub/MAGA brethren. Perhaps they'll take solace in your (albeit no doubt) "well meaning" apologies?
BTW, Christmas is coming, don't forget your, NFT Donnie J. Dummkopf trading cards, at www.collectTrumpCards.com, according to Donnie J. Dummkopf, they make great Christmas gifts. Hey, perhaps you and Elvis could trade NFT DJD cards...kkkk!
No thanks and No apologies necessary, your welcome, merry Christmas!!!
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12-19-22 00:46 #11201
Posts: 5454Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/stat...come-tax-rates
It wasn't Eisenhower's top marginal tax rate that produced his horrific jobs creating record and the seeming never ending series of Recessions all through his Happy Days. It was his inattention to serious poverty conditions in rural America and among growing minority demographics.
JFK and LBJ didn't ignore it. Their tax codes gave huge tax breaks, deductions and exemptions to the middle and lower income margins that was the stuff of nightmares for Repub Supply-Siders.
That's why Eisenhower's economic and jobs creation record was crap and JFK / LBJ's was historically positive.
Repubs don't just apply one method to produce their crap results. They are always trying new and unprecedented ones as well.
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12-19-22 00:12 #11200
Posts: 54541939, not 1953
Originally Posted by ChuchoLoco [View Original Post]
Interstate Highway System - The Myths.
Myth #1:
President Eisenhower conceived the Interstate System.
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/interstatemyths.cfm
The Interstate System was first described in a Bureau of Public Roads report to Congress, Toll Roads and Free Roads, in 1939. It was authorized for designation by the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1944, with the initial designations in 1947 and completed in 1955 under the 40,000-mile limitation imposed by the 1944 Act. President Eisenhower didnt conceive the Interstate System, but his support led to enactment of the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956, which established the program for funding and building it.
I can't refute the notion that in 1944 Eisenhower "had a vision" about it or that in 1953 and 1956 he said something like, "Sure, go ahead with the plan, I won't try to stop it. What time is our tee off tomorrow again"?
But by then he was several years late on the actual conception, plans, proposals and initial legislation for it. You know, the hard part.
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12-19-22 00:00 #11199
Posts: 1119Drunken Sailors and Inflation in 2008? / DJD, NFTs and Christmas?
Originally Posted by Elvis [View Original Post]
When Obama took office (basically right after he won the election, as early bipartisan bailout measures were implemented), the US spent over trillions, in efforts to right the ship, USS Economy.
They literally spent like drunken sailors (and had to get drunk) in order to clean up and bail out, the banksters, the corporate welfare cronies and the elite rich, left behind by the Bush administration. Inflation (and interest rates for that matter) was at historic lows, while they spent like drunken sailors, during the next several years. In fact inflation (and interest rates) turned negative and the banksters were charging cash deposits, a "storage fee" (the nerve of the bastards).
Historical Inflation Rates: 1914-2022
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/
Originally Posted by Elvis [View Original Post]
Oh no, Donnie J. Dummkopf, was so smart, he brought in his daughter and son-in-law, as advisors. And our "superhero", Donnie J. Dummkopf, was so smart, he didn't need advisors at all. And naturally, when he did have advisors, it was always better when they were dumber than him. That way his ego wouldn't suffer (although the country most certainly did) and he then could always pretend to be the "smartest person in the room".
Such hubris!!!
Elvis, anyways, in the Christmas spirit, just a yuletide reminder to get your "superhero", NFT Agent Orange trading cards, at www.collectTrumpCards.com, just $99, now, and just in time for Christmas...ho, ho, ho!