American Politics

[JustTK]

Along the way there will always be Mainstream Media to "Bothside" campaign for Repubs in order to reach at least a 50/50 chance of putting their Repub darlings in position to produce the "Economic Disaster"! Headlines MSM craves.

Voting for the Dems is the most effective bothsiderism policy. If you support a shlt party, you gaurantee that the other shlt party will get in straight afterwards.

[EihTooms]

Here's the deal Tooms. If the Dems didn't consistently produce crap results the Reps would not get in power every second election cycle. Its your blind loyalty to a correupt party that favours the rich that leads directly to the Reps gaining power every few years. It's YOU thatis to blame for not embracing change.

If it weren't for the evil Dems always reducing the skyrocketing unemployment rates, the skyrocketing deficits with zero to show for them and massive job losses that always greets them as the Repubs are driven out, reversing the Great Repub Crashes and Great Repub Depressions and Great Repub Recessions and Great Repub Jobs Destruction into Great Dem Recoveries and Expansions, Great Dem Deficit Reduction, Great Dem Unemployment Rate Reduction and Great Dem Jobs Creation, those poor baby ignorant hillbillies would never be forced to suppress Dem votes, redraw districts to within an inch on either side of every Repub in the districts, appoint QAnon Repub Election Liars to count the votes, kill cops to overturn free and fair elections and, yes, even vote sometimes to get their beloved Repubs in office by hook or by crook so they can produce the classic Repub economic disasters they and their loyal "Bothsider" benefactors in Mainstream Media much prefer for America.

So sad. And so evil and diabolically powerful are those Dems to force those poor Repub supporter babies to do that.

[EihTooms]

Here's what really happens.

Part 1: A Dem president gets elected. Repubs spend 2 years throwing up roadblocks to every bit of legislation the Dems propose. The Repubs point to the "fact" that Dems haven't gotten anything done (they conveniently forget that Repubs were the ones blocking everything). Repubs gain a majority of House and-or Senate. Repubs spend the next 2 years (or up to 6 more years) complaining about how Dems want "open borders" and-or are communist and-or are socialist and-or want to take away your guns and-or a bunch of other stuff.

Part 2: After 4 (or 8) years, a Repub gets elected president because they have convinced the voters that they know what they're doing re: the economy. Repubs have a majority in the House and-or Senate. Repubs pass another voodoo economics tax cut for the rich and spend money like drunken sailors. The economy goes into a tailspin. Repubs are thrown out (after 4 or 8 years) and a Dem is elected president and Dems have control of the House and-or Senate. Dems pass legislation that spends money to assist the economy to pull out of the tailspin. Repubs are now suddenly against spending any money at all even though Repubs just spend 4-to-8 years spending money like drunken sailors.

Go to Part 1.

That is pretty much how it goes. Except lately it appears the jig is up on the Repub Con and so it is becoming more and more difficult for Repubs to get elected in any normal, democratic way.

It turns out that after decades and decades of crap economic results quite contrary to their con that "our ideas are better", note they can't make the case that their "results" are better, democracy just isn't into the Repub Party all that much.

Consequently, the Repub Party has decided they aren't into democracy all that much either.

Their new approach is to simply prevent as many people too smart and well informed to fall for their con from voting, to make it more difficult to vote, to not count their vote if they do manage to do it, to violently attack the seat of democracy even if it means killing cops along the way when the votes don't fall their way, etc.

Oh and best to have Repub leadership flatter, praise and outright rank higher than superior elected officials on our side the dictators, despots, "strong men" and genocidal murderers they wish they could be in the USA if only they could suspend and ignore that pesky Constitution thingy and inconvenient democracy that is so unkind to them.

Along the way there will always be Mainstream Media to "Bothside" campaign for Repubs in order to reach at least a 50/50 chance of putting their Repub darlings in position to produce the "Economic Disaster"! Headlines MSM craves.

[Xpartan]

Here's what really happens.

Part 1: A Dem president gets elected. Repubs spend 2 years throwing up roadblocks to every bit of legislation the Dems propose. The Repubs point to the "fact" that Dems haven't gotten anything done (they conveniently forget that Repubs were the ones blocking everything). Repubs gain a majority of House and-or Senate. Repubs spend the next 2 years (or up to 6 more years) complaining about how Dems want "open borders" and-or are communist and-or are socialist and-or want to take away your guns and-or a bunch of other stuff.

Part 2: After 4 (or 8) years, a Repub gets elected president because they have convinced the voters that they know what they're doing re: the economy. Repubs have a majority in the House and-or Senate. Repubs pass another voodoo economics tax cut for the rich and spend money like drunken sailors. The economy goes into a tailspin. Repubs are thrown out (after 4 or 8 years) and a Dem is elected president and Dems have control of the House and-or Senate. Dems pass legislation that spends money to assist the economy to pull out of the tailspin. Repubs are now suddenly against spending any money at all even though Repubs just spend 4-to-8 years spending money like drunken sailors.

Go to Part 1.

This is a great summary of our political process, at least for the last 30 years.

The Democrats aren't saint or miracle workers, but they work hard on fixing the economy and social justice.

The Republicans have 2 missions in life: to obstruct the Democrats and pass tax cuts for the rich.

Among the two, I'd say, the Repubs have it easier.

[JustTK]

Here's what really happens.
Part 1:
Part 2:
Go to Part 1.

No doubt. But you skipped the part about why the Reps can secure enough seats to block the Dems. Go to my previous comment.

[Beijing4987]

Dick Cheney: " Reagan proved that deficits don't matter" Avowed fiscal conservative "Snoot" Gingrich has yet to pay off his 2012 presidential campaign debt of $4 million +.

[PVMonger]

Here's the deal Tooms. If the Dems didn't consistently produce crap results the Reps would not get in power every second election cycle. Its your blind loyalty to a correupt party that favours the rich that leads directly to the Reps gaining power every few years. It's YOU thatis to blame for not embracing change.

Here's what really happens.

Part 1: A Dem president gets elected. Repubs spend 2 years throwing up roadblocks to every bit of legislation the Dems propose. The Repubs point to the "fact" that Dems haven't gotten anything done (they conveniently forget that Repubs were the ones blocking everything). Repubs gain a majority of House and-or Senate. Repubs spend the next 2 years (or up to 6 more years) complaining about how Dems want "open borders" and-or are communist and-or are socialist and-or want to take away your guns and-or a bunch of other stuff.

Part 2: After 4 (or 8) years, a Repub gets elected president because they have convinced the voters that they know what they're doing re: the economy. Repubs have a majority in the House and-or Senate. Repubs pass another voodoo economics tax cut for the rich and spend money like drunken sailors. The economy goes into a tailspin. Repubs are thrown out (after 4 or 8 years) and a Dem is elected president and Dems have control of the House and-or Senate. Dems pass legislation that spends money to assist the economy to pull out of the tailspin. Repubs are now suddenly against spending any money at all even though Repubs just spend 4-to-8 years spending money like drunken sailors.

Go to Part 1.

[JustTK]

Here's the deal; if Repubs didn't consistently produce crap results they would run on those actual results in elections instead of on their traditional sucker social issues. They would not have to be continually drawn to nominate unqualified "celebrities" for the top job of economic steward in order to sell their crap policies and results as they did with Eisenhower, Reagan and Trump.
Their decades' long March to getting everything important as wrong as possible and somehow still exist

Here's the deal Tooms. If the Dems didn't consistently produce crap results the Reps would not get in power every second election cycle. Its your blind loyalty to a correupt party that favours the rich that leads directly to the Reps gaining power every few years. It's YOU thatis to blame for not embracing change.

[EihTooms]

Thank goodness for the Republicans! If they weren't around, the federal government would be even larger and more intrusive, and our per capita GDP would be comparable to France's.

But the future does not look as rosy as the past. Unfortunately, a Democrat, Donald Trump, infiltrated the Republican Party. Many Republicans followed this Pied Piper, and now the majority of Republican politicians are as bad as the Democrats -- see my post #11130 below. Perhaps another Ronald Reagan will come along and set America straight. We can hope.

We've covered this before, see below. You're wrong.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2743466

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2744566

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2747584

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2748196

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2748202

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2748598

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2749483

Those links take me to entire pages of posts by many posters.

Here's the deal; if Repubs didn't consistently produce crap results they would run on those actual results in elections instead of on their traditional sucker social issues. They would not have to be continually drawn to nominate unqualified "celebrities" for the top job of economic steward in order to sell their crap policies and results as they did with Eisenhower, Reagan and Trump. Not that their actual experienced pols like Hoover, Nixon and the Bushes fared any better on results.

Their decades' long March to getting everything important as wrong as possible and somehow still exist would not have led them inevitably and directly to Donald J. Trump, the ultimate con man snake oil pitchman to sell their consistent crap policies and results to enough ignorant, America-hating hillbillies to squeeze out another unpopular election "win" and throw the entire country into another, another and another Great Repub disaster.

But the Repub Party has no alternative but to pull all that voter disenfranchising and vote suppresion shit, running on their classic sucker social issues and choosing "celebrity" con men to sell their snake oil crap.

[EihTooms]

I think I know what happened. Apparently you were looking at the web page with an upright handphone and didn't scroll right or left or up or down. If you'd used a PC or rotated your phone 90 degrees, the percentages would have been staring you straight in the face, 47.8% Democrats vs 50.7% Republicans.

https://www.cookpolitical.com/charts...e-tracker/2022

As to your beliefs, both parties sue. I don't know why Republicans would want to restrict voting days. Compared to your average Democrat, your average Republican is more likely to be busting his ass instead of sitting on his ass. So the extra and weekend voting days benefit the Republicans. And as to "adding requirements," I don't believe there are any significant barriers preventing any American, other than individuals with a criminal record in many states, from voting.

No criticism of you though. You're subjected to a constant barrage of propaganda from Democratic politicians and operatives and left of center media so it's no wonder you believe there's a problem.

And, with the exception of former-Democrat Donald Trump and his acolytes, Democrats are arguably the bigger offenders when it comes to trying to avoid counting votes lawfully cast in favor of the candidates of the opposing party.

I picked this article out especially for you, as it comes from a source you know and trust:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/o...ral-votes.html

How about looking at the numbers? To appreciate this next link, you're going to have to view it on your laptop instead of some rinky dink handphone.

https://ballotpedia.org/Election_res...jected_ballots

Scroll down to the table "Comparison of rejected absentee / mail-in ballots in the 2016,2018 and 2020 general elections. Sort in descending order by rejection rate. Which state has rejected the largest % of ballots during the 2016,2018 and 2020 elections combined? New York, a blue state. In 2020, in descending order, the ten states with the highest rejection rates were Arkansas, New Mexico, New York, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Illinois, Louisiana, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. That's 5 blue states, 4 red states, and one purple state.

Yeah, Trump supporters went ape shit crazy after the 2020 election, trying to overturn election results. And what were the results? How many votes were overturned as a result of the Trumpsters' efforts? Was it a handful? Or zero, zip, nada, not a one. I'm not sure, but the courts, including Trump appointees, did their jobs the way they were supposed to.

The left of center media and Democratic Party are making a mountain out of a molehill, as it's a damn effective way of firing up the base and getting them to go out and vote. A good example is the fury of the Democrats at not being allowed to furnish food and beverages to people in election lines in Georgia. WTF? Do they want to return to 100 years ago, where politicians handed out booze and barbecue in front of the polling stations while they electioneered?

Well, combined with Trump's after election craziness and abortion, the strategy worked. Those are the reasons there wasn't a GOP blow out this year.

Yes, I am using a smartphone and my thumb for this. I rarely boot up my laptop anymore. And when I moved left, right, zoomed in, zoomed out there was only the Repub count.

Throwing out invalid ballots? I have no objection to any qualified official doing that. But Repubs want to appoint avowed Election Denying / Lying QAnon Repub loons to make those decisions.

Your NYT link was quickly obscured by a Subscription Required pop up so I did not read much of it. But it appeared to be about the Dems' noble efforts to abandon the decidedly undemocratic Electoral College system. Good. I hope they succeed someday.

Otherwise, I will count this as another "I can't" response, this time to my challenge to show us where Dems mount a party-wide effort to disenfranchise likely Repub voters and not count their votes.

Maybe that challenge is too broad, allowing for every itty-bitty insignificant ballot gathering or counting glitch by a Dem somewhere being given falsely equal weight to what Repubs have been doing for a long time to suppress Dem votes.

So, to add a bit more focus to it, how about this one; please name and cite a case where a recognized leader of the Democtatic Party, say, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, for example, led a violent, cop-killing insurrection to storm the Capitol Building on the day the votes AND the Electoral College awards were to be confirmed on the basis of a Big And Very Well Established And Proven Lie and that the Vice President of their Party should disenfranchise 81,000,000+ voters, throw out ALL of their ballots, dsregard ALL of their votes for POTUS and give it to the Dem candidate regardless.

Got anything for that?

And to really drive home your "BOTH Parties do that" assertion, please link the highly regarded polls showing a decisive majority of Dems being four square behind such a proven Big Lie and, by logical deduction, the unconstitutional measures taken by the Party to throw out those millions of votes.

Since "BOTH Parties" do this sort of thing it ought to be easy to provide links for that.

[Tiny 12]

Indeed. That is exactly what you will find "if you look closer", except I have yet to read a post by anyone here claiming Repub presidents and policies were responsible for "all recessions." However, I am certainly open to reading his / her case for such a claim.

But the Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Job Losses of the past 100 years? No argument possible; they belong to Repub economic policies and stewardship. All of them.

Some posters here hope we accept that is only a 100 year long series of wild coincidences, accidents, weirdly partisan business and economic cycles, maybe even badly misunderstood or misrepresented data. LOL.

Oh, and you forgot to mention the equally wild series of coincidences, etc required to result in Repub policies and stewardship producing NONE of the Great Boom Times, Economic Expansions and Historic Jobs Creation of the past 100 years while only the Dems have done that.

Of course, "if you look closer", you will most certainly see that wildly coincidental pattern repeated right up to and including the recent Repub so-called potus and the current Dem POTUS.

Thank goodness for the Republicans! If they weren't around, the federal government would be even larger and more intrusive, and our per capita GDP would be comparable to France's.

But the future does not look as rosy as the past. Unfortunately, a Democrat, Donald Trump, infiltrated the Republican Party. Many Republicans followed this Pied Piper, and now the majority of Republican politicians are as bad as the Democrats -- see my post #11130 below. Perhaps another Ronald Reagan will come along and set America straight. We can hope.

We've covered this before, see below. You're wrong.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2743466

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2744566

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2747584

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2748196

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2748202

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2748598

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tics&p=2749483

[Tiny 12]

Did Twitter take orders from the Fed and suppress Hunter Biden story? The more important point of this is that hard core Dems could care less their side is corrupt, yet they have months long fake media slander campaigns against Trump over fake Russian collusion, fake Ukraine dealings which lead to a fucking impeachment, Dems and Media look the other way when cities burn and they label the rioters as "protesters".

All that being said, it does not excuse the idiotic behavior of the Trump and Jan. 6 morons. I pray he does not run again. I also prey people start holding political parties they favor accountable when there is clear evidence of deep corruption or any evidence of corruption.

The average American witnesses these events and it leads one to believe that voters no longer care about right, wrong, corruption, super high inflation, billions spent on foreign wars, incredibly ineffective candidates "Biden / Fettereman". They just vote for a "the" or an "are". That type of thinking leads to a failed state. Sad.

I strongly agree with your last 2 paragraphs, although not necessarily with the first. But we're on the same page. The media is dominated by the left. We've discussed that here before, and the best the left of center crowd could come up with was "Oh, well, you don't take into account talk radio. " Fucking talk radio! If there were any big mainstream outlets besides the Wall Street Journal and Fox News on the right, maybe large numbers of conservative Americans wouldn't be resorting to radio for news and commentary.

[Tiny 12]

The screenshots below are what was staring me in the face on that Cook site. And still are:

https://www.cookpolitical.com/charts...e-tracker/2022

No mention of the Dem vote percentage, only the Repub vote percentage and a pitch to see more IF we subscribe.

Did you think I included a link and lied about what was in it at the same time? I am a Dem, not a Repub.

So BOTH parties sued, reduced early voting days in areas more likely to serve the opposing party voters and added new requirements for submitting ballots from those more likely opposition voters, did they? I provided three links for examples of Repubs targeting likely Dem voter choices, particularly voting by mail, since 2020.

Please provide links where Dems proposed obstacles to Election Day voting preferred by Repubs and as directed by their glorious champion of free and fair elections, Trump.

I think I know what happened. Apparently you were looking at the web page with an upright handphone and didn't scroll right or left or up or down. If you'd used a PC or rotated your phone 90 degrees, the percentages would have been staring you straight in the face, 47.8% Democrats vs 50.7% Republicans.

https://www.cookpolitical.com/charts...e-tracker/2022

As to your beliefs, both parties sue. I don't know why Republicans would want to restrict voting days. Compared to your average Democrat, your average Republican is more likely to be busting his ass instead of sitting on his ass. So the extra and weekend voting days benefit the Republicans. And as to "adding requirements," I don't believe there are any significant barriers preventing any American, other than individuals with a criminal record in many states, from voting.

No criticism of you though. You're subjected to a constant barrage of propaganda from Democratic politicians and operatives and left of center media so it's no wonder you believe there's a problem.

And, with the exception of former-Democrat Donald Trump and his acolytes, Democrats are arguably the bigger offenders when it comes to trying to avoid counting votes lawfully cast in favor of the candidates of the opposing party.

I picked this article out especially for you, as it comes from a source you know and trust:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/o...ral-votes.html

How about looking at the numbers? To appreciate this next link, you're going to have to view it on your laptop instead of some rinky dink handphone.

https://ballotpedia.org/Election_res...jected_ballots

Scroll down to the table "Comparison of rejected absentee / mail-in ballots in the 2016,2018 and 2020 general elections. Sort in descending order by rejection rate. Which state has rejected the largest % of ballots during the 2016,2018 and 2020 elections combined? New York, a blue state. In 2020, in descending order, the ten states with the highest rejection rates were Arkansas, New Mexico, New York, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Illinois, Louisiana, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. That's 5 blue states, 4 red states, and one purple state.

Yeah, Trump supporters went ape shit crazy after the 2020 election, trying to overturn election results. And what were the results? How many votes were overturned as a result of the Trumpsters' efforts? Was it a handful? Or zero, zip, nada, not a one. I'm not sure, but the courts, including Trump appointees, did their jobs the way they were supposed to.

The left of center media and Democratic Party are making a mountain out of a molehill, as it's a damn effective way of firing up the base and getting them to go out and vote. A good example is the fury of the Democrats at not being allowed to furnish food and beverages to people in election lines in Georgia. WTF? Do they want to return to 100 years ago, where politicians handed out booze and barbecue in front of the polling stations while they electioneered?

Well, combined with Trump's after election craziness and abortion, the strategy worked. Those are the reasons there wasn't a GOP blow out this year.

[EihTooms]

I don't believe Republicans unfairly suppress the vote any more than I believe that Democrats stole the 2020 election. The courts, which contrary to popular opinion are pretty damn close to impartial when it comes to protecting American Democracy, step in to prevent things like that. Furthermore, I believe BOTH parties try equally hard to disadvantage the other side in elections.

Wise move, the vasectomy. That ***** could have puked up your seed and planted it in her pussy. Just kidding. The last two go go girls I pulled from Nana were 10's, but were done with me in 45 minutes. I need to study up again on the EihTooms Hooker Selection Method.


If you clicked into the Cook link, which I did for the first time today, you would have seen that they had Democrats with 47.8% and Republicans with 50.7% of the popular vote. It stares you straight in the face. I don't understand why you would imply Democrats got 49.3%.

The screenshots below are what was staring me in the face on that Cook site. And still are:

https://www.cookpolitical.com/charts...e-tracker/2022

No mention of the Dem vote percentage, only the Repub vote percentage and a pitch to see more IF we subscribe.

Did you think I included a link and lied about what was in it at the same time? I am a Dem, not a Repub.

So BOTH parties sued, reduced early voting days in areas more likely to serve the opposing party voters and added new requirements for submitting ballots from those more likely opposition voters, did they? I provided three links for examples of Repubs targeting likely Dem voter choices, particularly voting by mail, since 2020.

Please provide links where Dems proposed obstacles to Election Day voting preferred by Repubs and as directed by their glorious champion of free and fair elections, Trump.

[RamDavidson84]

I don't believe Republicans unfairly suppress the vote any more than I believe that Democrats stole the 2020 election. The courts, which contrary to popular opinion are pretty damn close to impartial when it comes to protecting American Democracy, step in to prevent things like that. Furthermore, I believe BOTH parties try equally hard to disadvantage the other side in elections.

Wise move, the vasectomy. That ***** could have puked up your seed and planted it in her pussy. Just kidding. The last two go go girls I pulled from Nana were 10's, but were done with me in 45 minutes. I need to study up again on the EihTooms Hooker Selection Method.


If you clicked into the Cook link, which I did for the first time today, you would have seen that they had Democrats with 47.8% and Republicans with 50.7% of the popular vote. It stares you straight in the face. I don't understand why you would imply Democrats got 49.3%.

Did Twitter take orders from the Fed and suppress Hunter Biden story? The more important point of this is that hard core Dems could care less their side is corrupt, yet they have months long fake media slander campaigns against Trump over fake Russian collusion, fake Ukraine dealings which lead to a fucking impeachment, Dems and Media look the other way when cities burn and they label the rioters as "protesters".

All that being said, it does not excuse the idiotic behavior of the Trump and Jan. 6 morons. I pray he does not run again. I also prey people start holding political parties they favor accountable when there is clear evidence of deep corruption or any evidence of corruption.

The average American witnesses these events and it leads one to believe that voters no longer care about right, wrong, corruption, super high inflation, billions spent on foreign wars, incredibly ineffective candidates "Biden / Fettereman". They just vote for a "the" or an "are". That type of thinking leads to a failed state. Sad.