American Politics

[Xpartan]

No, trained medical professionals say that people die with Covid or had Covid related deaths. The media and some members of government change died WITH Covid to died FROM Covid and idiots like you lap it up. For those of us who actually use our brain, there is a huge difference between correlation and causation.

Covid induces the immune system to cause blood clots (as does the vaccine). So if someone with Covid does die of a blood clot in the lungs, I have no problem with calling that a Covid related death. What bugs me is someone like you or the media coming along and saying lockdowns could have saved that person because clots are also caused when the blood is not circulating, I. E. When people are not moving. If someone is sitting on his ass watching TV and not moving due to a lockdown, that is a risk for blood clots too.

So you don't die from cancer, you die with cancer.

You don't die from ebola, you die with ebola.

You don't die from the flu, you die with the flu.

What are you arguing about? A preposition?

COVID-19 is listed as the underlying cause on the death certificate in 92% of deaths. Pneumonia deaths are identified using multiple cause-of-death codes from the 10th Revision of ICD (ICD10): J12J18, excluding deaths that involve influenza (J09J11). Influenza deaths are identified from the ICD10 codes J09J11, and include deaths with pneumonia or COVID-19 listed as a contributing cause of death.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...tech_notes.htm#text=COVID%2 D19%20 is%20 listed%20 as%20 the%20 underlying%20 cause%20 on%20 the, influenza%20 (J09%E2%80%93 J11).

When COVID Deaths Are Dismissed Or Stigmatized, Grief Is Mixed With Shame And Anger.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-shame-and-ang

Too many Americans are still in covid denial.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ency-ideology/

So I imply you are ignorant, and you admit it. Xpartan, JustTK is right. Why have a discussion with someone who I suspected and now admits to being ignorant? When I ask you how people die of Covid, are you really so stupid as to not look it up?

And I know what you are going to do with the information I gave you above which is nothing. In your pea brain mind, what I said is not objective information. You will just wave it away with a hand, "Eh, that is just Elvis. ".

Your words, not mine.

[Elvis 2008]

I know this is just a rhetorical question that none of the Repubs and Repub Bothsiders here can or will answer any better than their universal No Answer to my question about citing at least one meaningful and now revered legislation ever promoted and passed by Repubs when they controlled the White House, House and Senate. Ever.

But I'll give it a try anyway, just for laughs.

Um. Why would Fox, Idaho, Montana, Texas, Florida and others not mentioned lie so blatantly about those overwhelmed hospitals, staff, rooms, beds, treatments, etc? Welcome to the real world, gents.

What dumb nickname to you come up with regards to Joe Rogan, Tooms? What is he? A bothsider, a neither sider? To me, he is a thinking man and independent who does not fit into a cooked up group. He was not a Covid denier. He had Covid and got boatloads of shit for going against the official narrative. He had two experts on, who both had Covid and were vaccinated, and were honest about the side effects of the vaccine, and those guests were like his most popular podcasts of all time.

Yeah, there were Republican retards who were adamant that Covid was not real, and you know why? Because you Dems saw the virus as a way to cripple the economy and topple Trump, and that is exactly what happened. Even now, a douche like you is still blaming Trump for the pandemic. The policies on Covid at the federal level with Trump and Biden were practically the same, and there were more so called Covid deaths under Biden than Trump.

It was one thing to call Covid fake in March 2020 when there were so few cases when everything was shut down. Tell me douche what Republicans in 2021 in Texas were saying Covid was not real? Find one.

And how fucking arrogant and stupid do you have to be to lecture me on hospital bed conditions in Texas in 2021? I live in Texas douche. No one wants to respond to you Tooms because you are so damned stupid and this is proof of it. All your posts are orange man bad, Democrats good. "I know Texas conditions better while living in Thailand than people in Texas do. And BTW, people living when Eisenhower was president had it rough but times were great with Carter. Those people were just too stupid to know it". WTF?

You bragged about your portfolio and then you censor posts after you got your ass handed to you. What has your idiotic binary view of the world gotten you? A feeling of superiority? Does that make up for the dent in your wallet?

Given the federal government's economic policies under Trump and Biden, you can pick the greatest president of all time, and he was going to have to deal with a recession, inflation, and a falling market. Tell me, Tooms, did you really think putting people out of work and printing up $11 trillion out of thin air was a problem Biden was somehow going to solve? Really?

You dumb Dems crashed the economy to take out Trump but you douches are now having to deal with those chickens coming home to roust. You dumb Dems pushed for this global warming agenda and now the Europeans, who were true believers in that agenda, may be freezing their asses off come this Winter.

Did you learn anything Tooms? Did you learn when the Fed is doing QT, raising rates, and there is an inverted yield curve to not be long the market? Do you know what I meant when I said multiples contract when the Fed is raising rates? If Europeans are freezing their asses off and dying this winter, will you learn from that? Nah, you will just get more arrogant than ever, and this is proof of that.

Lecturing Texas Republicans about hospitals in Texas is a new low for you Tooms. Unfuckingbelievable.

[JustTK]

I'm just saying we are all guilty at one point.

Even The King of all modern presidents, the Great Nelson Mandela sanctioned the use of terrorism to fight for the rights of his people, again bcos peaceful advances had been met with silence.

Sanctions. End them yes. But you also got to ask urself what moral right does any other country have to interfere in the choices that other countries make?

[ChuchoLoco]

I may be a neoliberal, but I'm no neo colonialist. The USA should end its embargoes and sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua. The sanctions hurt the people, not the leaders. And they give the leaders excuses for their own failures. I say this with a heavy heart, because it could slow the supply of young, attractive, nubile strippers that have come poring into my community from the aforementioned countries.

I downloaded Perkins' latest book, the updated and expanded New Confessions of an Economic Hitman. I had a slight bit of exposure through work to possible corruption at the World Bank, so I'm looking forward to seeing what he has to say. I'm not sure whether or not I'll agree yet. If I don't, well, I'm reading a book by Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman, and I think they're full of sh*t. But it pays to be aware of other peoples' views and not wrap yourself in a cocoon. Thanks for the suggestion.

Totally agree that USA and everyone else who is part of it should end the embargoes. Just hurts the common person. It does make them more resourceful though. I saw a program where a Cuban used a Russian truck carburetor and his 50's USA vintage car. End the embargoes and they will really prosper and probably thank us.

[ChuchoLoco]

I remember them fighting for the return of their land, against a country that would not listen to a peaceful transition.

And while doing so, school children were targets. When my people were fighting for their freedom from 500 years of Ottoman rule, our "heroes" and their followers committed acts of terrorism too. I'm just saying that all people do bad things at one point in their history even while fighting for freedom. I have also seen first hand the dislike of Protestant Irish from Catholic Irish and of the Scotch Irish. I believe a lot of the cause of the IRA revolt was due to Protestant prejudice against the Catholics who were in the minority and who asked the Brits for help but the Brits didn't exactly do that and leave. Irish are awesome people. Harp beer is great and so are many other things Irish. Had some absolutely awesome Irish neighbors as a kid. I'm just saying we are all guilty at one point. Peace, Paz and Mir.

[Tiny 12]

So true again and for those that are not familiar with the term, it is called Neo Colonialism. A couple good books by a guy who calls himself the Economic Hitman. John Perkins. Just look at Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua in Latin America.

I may be a neoliberal, but I'm no neo colonialist. The USA should end its embargoes and sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua. The sanctions hurt the people, not the leaders. And they give the leaders excuses for their own failures. I say this with a heavy heart, because it could slow the supply of young, attractive, nubile strippers that have come poring into my community from the aforementioned countries.

I downloaded Perkins' latest book, the updated and expanded New Confessions of an Economic Hitman. I had a slight bit of exposure through work to possible corruption at the World Bank, so I'm looking forward to seeing what he has to say. I'm not sure whether or not I'll agree yet. If I don't, well, I'm reading a book by Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman, and I think they're full of sh*t. But it pays to be aware of other peoples' views and not wrap yourself in a cocoon. Thanks for the suggestion.

[EihTooms]

I know this is just a rhetorical question that none of the Repubs and Repub Bothsiders here can or will answer any better than their universal No Answer to my question about citing at least one meaningful and now revered legislation ever promoted and passed by Repubs when they controlled the White House, House and Senate. Ever.

But I'll give it a try anyway, just for laughs.

Um. Why would Fox, Idaho, Montana, Texas, Florida and others not mentioned lie so blatantly about those overwhelmed hospitals, staff, rooms, beds, treatments, etc?

Don't they know COVID-19 is no worse than a common cold, that it's no big deal if only fat, old people got somewhat sicker than others from it and so there was no need whatsoever to mandate closures to prevent them from getting infected all at once and needing emergency medical care all at once?

Hell, now everyone knows Biden, Fauci, the NYT, CNN were all lying to us about that as well as, yep, Ttump too (on audio recording) and, have to say it, all those faker Repub patients in the Emergency Rooms just pretending they were sick enough to require hospitalization, overwhelm the hospitals and put most other patient needs way back in line, right?

They were probably just faking it for the attention, right?

Mind you, most of this was even after some mandated closures had "flattened the curve" of cases, mitigated and lessened the crisis of overwhelmed available medical treatment:

Hospitals overwhelmed by COVID-19 crisis, analysis shows

https://fox4kc.com/tracking-coronavi...nalysis-shows/

Idaho hospitals on course for 'likely' return to crisis standards of care

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/he...1-7405c3085f08

Montana hospitals in dire straits as COVID rages
Hospitals move to crisis standard of care as patients overwhelm resources, and the state urges retired nurses to return to work.

https://montanafreepress.org/2021/09...r-crisis-care/

"I am frightened by what is coming: Texas hospitals could soon be overwhelmed by COVID-19 caseload, officials say
The number of COVID-19 patients in Texas hospitals is rising too fast for hospitals to keep up with, hospital leaders told state lawmakers Tuesday

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08...-crisis-covid/

Welcome to the real world, gents.

[JustTK]

Anyone else remember the IRA?

I remember them fighting for the return of their land, against a country that would not listen to a peaceful transition.

[ChuchoLoco]

The Irish are wise like the Swiss. They stay out of other peoples' wars. Both countries also have among the smallest government expenditures and government revenues as a % of GDP, of the developed countries. And among the highest per capita GDP's, adjusted for purchasing power. Maybe part of the reason why they have smaller governments and are more prosperous is because they don't have to spend as much money on defense.

They are right about terrorism and they know first hand what terrorism is. Anyone else remember the IRA?

[Tiny 12]

Yes, both are Irish MEPs. So rrefreshing to hear people speak the truth on the world stage.

The Irish are wise like the Swiss. They stay out of other peoples' wars. Both countries also have among the smallest government expenditures and government revenues as a % of GDP, of the developed countries. And among the highest per capita GDP's, adjusted for purchasing power. Maybe part of the reason why they have smaller governments and are more prosperous is because they don't have to spend as much money on defense.

[JustTK]

Interesting perspective, thanks for the link. I agree with a lot of what the MP's said. Are the MP's Irish?

Yes, both are Irish MEPs. So rrefreshing to hear people speak the truth on the world stage.

[JustTK]

Here's the source. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.

Nothing was "made up". But only a member of the Moron Brigade would say "made up".

Of course its a completely fictional number.

1. No one cares about COVID anymore because its no worse than a cold. And mostly never was apart from for the infirm. So even the countries than continue to report will be severely underreporting bcos their cistizens are not reporting cases.

2. And even when COVID was a deadly conspiracy, many countries didn't report it nor had the resources to test for it.

So you may as well go here and get a just as accurate a figure:
https://www.random.org/

Only "the Moron Brigade" would trot out offically reported case numbers as if they are accurate.

[Tiny 12]

Anyone who committed suicide over Covid had serious personal issues before Covid came along. As I correctly said
from the beginning, it was to be a two to three year event, based on other pandemics throughout history. The aim was always to reduce deaths and hinder the overflow of hospitals while vaccines and effective treatments could be developed. This naturally wasn't accomplished with perfection, but a lot of locales found a pretty good balance.

How many times do I have to tell you. I won't argue with someone who's smarter than me.

I just looked up the number of suicides in the USA, and there were fewer in 2020 than 2018 or 2019. So you were right questioning that. And I don't necessarily disagree with what you posted. I can see the wisdom in limiting attendance or capacity in indoor venues when there's danger of hospitals becoming overloaded. That was a real threat too. There were so many dead bodies in a city near where I live that they didn't have a place to put them. They had to get mobile morgues on wheels, that is, they were storing bodies in trucks. I've always been a big believer in testing and good quality masks, and was a believer in tracing until there were just too many cases for it to make sense.

My complaint was about lockdowns and confining people to home, which have obvious drawbacks. China's still sticking with that strategy, and it doesn't seem to be working that well.

I had a personal stockpile of 35 surgical grade N95 masks at the end of 2019. If I had been dictator of the United States of America, our country would have been similarly well prepared, coming into COVID. And there wouldn't have been an excuse for lockdowns.

[Tiny 12]

Good points, Tiny. The vaccine is 0 to 20% effective against omicron which means it is 0% effective really.....

Hey Elvis, I think the new boosters, which target the BA.4 and BA.5 variants along with the original virus, are much more effective right now. With time they'll probably become less so. Remember initially the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were around 90% to 95% effective at preventing infection, and they're still reasonably effective at preventing hospitalization and death.

I got the new booster about a month ago. If I remember correctly you've been vaccinated. I think that was a wise decision, especially if you're as old as I am.

I disagree about Fauci, Collins and Birx. Like anyone they had their prejudices. If you're a doctor who works in public health, you're going to prioritize health over jobs and the economy. And yes, their advice changed along the way, and there are a lot of things that I imagine they wish they'd known then that we know now. I'd give them credit for their flexibility instead of demerits for changing their minds.

[Tiny 12]

Real MPs speak out about NATO terrorism and the hypocrisy of the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-eGslPCto0

Imagine if other MPs around the world and especially in the USA showed this kind of courage and honesty!! The world would be a much better place. This is what 'American Politics' should be about. Not endless Biden / Trump / economy name calling.

Interesting perspective, thanks for the link. I agree with a lot of what the MP's said. At this point in time, with what's going on in Ukraine, I don't think it's fair to say that Russia's morally superior to the USA. But they didn't say that.

Are the MP's Irish?