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11-10-22 15:23 #10935
Posts: 1782Lab Leak. More censorship
Intelligent discussion about new evidence that COVID was a lab leak, and more evidence that the state controlled media and science community buries the truth bcos it is too painful to confront.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5gNn5c9kzo
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11-10-22 14:38 #10934
Posts: 1604Very true
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
My answer was, in effect, "Because you kept breathing your own exhaust". The Repubs wanted a "red wave". All of their pollsters predicted a "red wave". They were too stupid to know the difference between calm, measured leadership (Biden) and chaos (Donnie the Dumbass and the rest of the Republican party).
The Repubs found out, thankfully, that the majority of Americans don't want to turn the clock back to the 1850's. The Repubs found out that the majority of Americans do not believe that anything further left than shooting people of color for sport is "socialist".
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11-10-22 07:37 #10933
Posts: 1956Kremlin is unhappy with the election
They expected the wave and they gave them a trickle.
Kremlin Cronies Sent Reeling on Live TV Over U.S. Midterm Elections
The midterm elections in the United States were a hot topic in Moscow. Convinced that the red wave was coming, Russian propagandists rushed to take credit for the anticipated landslide victory that would ensure Republican majority in Congress and Senate.
On Tuesday, Russias Tucker Carlson, top propagandist Vladimir Solovyov, greeted his audience by wishing them a Happy Interference in the U.S. Election Day. Yevgeny Prigozhin, known as Putin's chef, who was indicted as part of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian election interference, likewise decided to publicly fess up to the allegations he previously denied.
This plan to discredit the U.S. elections and convince the Republicans that the mighty Kremlin hand covertly helped push them to victory had backfired. On Wednesday, state TV propagandists were scratching their heads about the wave that turned out to be but a trickle. During the broadcast of 60 Minutes, host Olga Skabeeva asked an expert: How are our guys in America? Political scientist Vladimir Kornilov clarified with a chuckle: Our Republicans.
Skabeeva exclaimed: Come out, Americans! You are being lied to! Abzalov pointed out that at least January should be fun, predicting that Republicans would attempt to impeach U.S. President Joe Biden. Skabeeva complained: They will impeach but wont be able to overthrow him. Weve seen how it went down with our friend, our comrade Donaldand it happened more than once.
Skabeeva went on: We keep worrying about our guys, their results should have been better than this..."
In addition to Russias mounting disappointments in the electoral battles of the United States, their invasion of Ukraine keeps going from bad to worse. During Tuesdays broadcast of 60 Minutes, host Olga Skabeeva said, Things are difficult. Nonetheless, we have to win on our ownits official. Republicans can hardly help us to retain the Kherson region or the city of Kherson. On Wednesday, Russian troops retreated from the area.
Host Vladimir Solovyov started Wednesdays broadcast of The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov by grimly noting: Weve been planning an entirely different program tonight. We were going to talk about American elections, but then we got the news from Kherson.
Nonetheless, in the minds of the Kremlins propagandists, its all connected. Solovyov speculated that if the withdrawal was announced just one day earlier, it might have helped Biden and the Democrats: The withdrawal was announced after Nov. 8, on Nov. 9, so it wouldnt influence the U.S. elections.
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11-09-22 22:23 #10932
Posts: 1956Indeed, why not believe Paul Ritter?
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
Who wouldn't trust Paul Ritter, a sex-offender and frequent feature on Sputnik and RT who's claimed (among other absurdities) that the massacre in Bucha was organized by the Ukrainians, while it was occupied by the Russians?
Great find!
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11-09-22 19:12 #10931
Posts: 5452They are not grasping it. It is too complicated.
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
When a Political Party holds the White House, the Majority in the House AND the Majority in the Senate, its time has come to step up and DO whatever the basic purpose is of that Party. That is, IF that Party has any purpose at all other than to simply gain power.
The Democratic Party has several major, meaningful and now revered pieces of legislation that they passed when they controlled all three of those elements in the Federal Government. I listed a few of them before such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment Insurance, etc, etc, etc. Hell, I'll even add the legislation Elvis mistakenly thought qualified for the challenge, the FDR New Deal-introduced Securities Act of 1933 as another Dem-produced meaningful and now revered (amended in subsequent years, of course) legislation promoted, fought for and passed when, sure enough, Dems and not Repubs held the WH and Majorities in Both Houses of Congress. Why not, as long as Elvis is impressed enough to praise it.
But Repubs didn't promote, fight for and pass that legislation in the decade prior to 1933 when THEY held the WH and Majorities in Both Houses of Congress. Oh no. Their only across-the-board contribution to it in the previous decade was crapping all over the USA economy and leading America into the Great Repub Crash and Depression that REQUIRED the Dems to produce and pass that Securities Act of 1933 in order to save American Capitalism from horrific Repub economic stewardship and results.
Again.
Now, American history would have tracked a whole helluva lot rosier over the past 100 years if the purpose of the Repub Party was ONLY to gain power. I mean, since there is zero evidence of them producing so much as a single piece of meaningful and now revered legislation when they controlled the three key elements mentioned. Sure, if they had only accepted the position of power they were blessed with when the American electorate was stupid enough to hand all of it to them and simply spend their time in power Doing Nothing, which they are highly skilled at doing.
Unfortunately, when they DO anything with that trio of legislative powers, it winds up strongly suggesting their Party's sole purpose is to produce chaos, horrific economic results, wipe out millions of USA jobs and worse.
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11-09-22 18:05 #10930
Posts: 1117Repubs Stupefied once again and as per usually
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
But true to form, they do love to take credit for the laws / bills Dems have passed, and make it their own, through twisted right-wing lies.
Great Challenge!
PS: Perhaps, more of these challenges should be posted?
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11-09-22 15:57 #10929
Posts: 1782Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
And I think we can also agree that the worst liars in the public domain are the mainstream media. They always shovel their agenda on viewers, to such an extent that the news is worthless apart from to propagandise. No left or right. Just a statement of fact.
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11-09-22 13:28 #10928
Posts: 5452Don't. Mess. With. Joe.
Or, rather, Don't. Mess. With. Sleepy Joe Brandon.
A few random thoughts, more later after the dust settles:
- Had pro Repub Bothsiders like Bill Maher and others in typically pro Mainstream Media not worked so hard to suppress the Dem vote right up until hours before election day, the House and Senate seats still on a knife's edge would have gone to the Dems easily.
- Worst case scenario with the remaining races to be determined, Biden will still be one of the winningest, most successful Presidents of all time legislatively and now with his first term midterm elections.
- The generic, consensus polls for control of Congress were right, as those polls usually are, within a normal +/-MoE.
- Aside from those two or three 2016 battleground state EC catastrophes, the skyrocketing deficits added every year into the Trillions with absolutely nothing positive to show for it, near zero legislative accomplishments, the two Bear Market Crashes in the broad market including his 2020 Mega Bear, his creation of Trump's Pandemic and all the worldwide deaths, serious sicknesses, the massive jobs destruction, the global economic and supply-chain collapse and the inevitable hyper-inflation that followed and we are currently still dealing with, Donald J. Trump has actually been the gift to Dem electoral victories that keeps on giving.
The red wave that wasnt: 5 takeaways from a disappointing night for the GOP.
Donald Trumps favored candidates prove a drag to Republicans, running well behind others in their party.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/1...aways-00065878
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11-09-22 10:10 #10927
Posts: 5452Wow
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
Sorry. A law passed in 1933 as part of FDR's New Deal when Democrats held the White House and the Majority in Both Houses of Congress does not count as a merciful citation of at least one single meaningful and now revered legislation promoted, fought for and passed when Republicans held the White House and the Majority in Both Houses of Congress.
I mean, Elvis, I see you put a lot of time in writing that post and I wish I had a "participation" trophy to give you for it.
But, hey, it was way off the mark. In fact, it missed the entire wall, much less the target, even less the bullseye. Surely, you can understand why it missed the mark so horribly, right?
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11-09-22 04:55 #10926
Posts: 3228Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
What this guy and everyone else has said about Russia is that it wants to go back to the borders of the old USSR. I have NEVER seen that. I thought this war was about securing the safety of the ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine who this speaker rightly says were being terrorized. That is what Russia has said this war is about.
And I think this guy's cheerleading about the Russian army was just as bad as the Democratic senators going to Ukraine and saying we stand with you until you achieve victory. WTF does that mean? Did we achieve "victory" in Afghanistan or Iran? In the old days you would take out the government and the fighting was done. It is not like that now.
That famed 40 mile long parade of tanks and trucks that was supposed to invade Kiev ran out of gas, and the soldiers did not even have food. There are so many Russians surrendering right now the Ukrainians have a 1-800 number, and the Russians are so desperate for munitions they are buying these POS Iranian drones that you can only use on unguarded targets. And the notion the West is going to let Ukraine fall is BS too.
And this notion that the Russians were just playing before but are now just serious? Give me a fucking break. They have committed a shit load of atrocities. Both sides have.
There have been so many dumb things said about this war like Putin is Hitler. Hitler said he wanted to invade all of Europe. Putin has said the opposite and if Putin does invade a NATO nation, we are not going to launch nukes? Since when?
Given how shitty their battlefield munitions are, I am not sure the Russians even have all that many nukes that work. It would be suicide for Putin to invade a NATO country in Europe and these fools are saying he is like Hitler and wants to do it. What is the upside?
I agree with the guy the Russians in Eastern Ukraine were being treated like shit by the Ukrainians, and they should have had that region taken from them. If not, it will be like Israel and Palestine.
So you negotiate a peace based on that and stop this stupid fucking war and enough with all these dummies who have visions of victory in their head on either side. Hasn't everyone learned by now that the only winners in war these days are the weapons makers?
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11-09-22 03:16 #10925
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
I'm disappointed with the USA and Europe. They should be pressing both sides to end this conflict. Nobody's going to come out a winner.
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11-09-22 03:07 #10924
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
Excellent points about state government. Why do blue states elect Republican governors like Charlie Baker, Larry Hogan and Glenn Youngkin? Because Republicans like them are good executives. They have business experience. They aren't lawyers and community activists like so many blue state governors.
And I will defend the right of Californians to grow their welfare states to epic levels, regulate out the gazoo, tax their most productive citizens at extortionate rates, and ban internal combustion engines. I do however get pissed off when the bastards go to Washington and try to inflict that agenda on the rest of us.
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11-08-22 23:36 #10923
Posts: 1782Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bu9dal2rcU
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11-08-22 23:33 #10922
Posts: 1782Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
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11-08-22 06:36 #10921
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
I’m tired of playing whac a mole with you guys. You throw out a link to a biased source, like to Bob Ward's piece, and think you have a "gotcha" moment. That said, if you believe that there are currently net deaths from temperature changes as a result of global warming, or if you disagree with my beliefs about a carbon tax and aid to developing countries to reduce usage of fossil fuels, particularly coal, I’d be interested in what you have to say.
Just scanning the article, the section on fossil fuel subsidies is very misleading. The real fossil fuel subsidies are mostly provided by places like Iran, China, Saudi Arabia, Russia and India, not by developed countries. How would Mr. Ward propose we strong arm them so they'll end their subsidies?
Ward quotes an IMF publication that puts the cost of fossil fuel subsidies in 2016 dollars at $5.2 trillion. Based on a little research, this is per year. You must have to engage in a lot of mental masturbation to come up with that number. For example, Ward says almost half is from deaths and illness caused through air pollution. I addressed this in the post you're replying to, and, again, the deaths and illnesses are mostly in third world countries.
The belief that the USA heavily subsidizes its fossil fuels industry is a fallacy. See Table 3 on page 17 of this EIA publication:
https://www.eia.gov/analysis/request...df/subsidy.pdf
In 2017, subsidies for renewables were 6.7 billion dollars. (For better or worse, this number will go up a lot as a result of the "Inflation Reduction Act.") For oil and gas they were negative 773 million. Tax code provisions are the largest component of the subsidies.
Spending the time to debunk or agree with Ward's other points would take more time than I'm willing to spend. Contrary to what you wrote, I don't have a lot of time on my hands.
Ill note that the Economist and Foreign Policy have praised Lomborg, and Lomborg has written a rebuttal to some of Ward's claims, here.
https://www.lomborg.com/response-to-bob-ward
Btw, when I was a kid the London School of Economics was considered Commie. And the left's solution to all this is to spend massive amounts of money to get to carbon neutral in the USA and Europe, which will not come close to solving the problem if countries like China, India, Indonesia, Russia, etc. don't follow along.