American Politics

[JustTK]

Now you're playing dumb, I see!

What does covid deaths have to do with Putin's homicidal government?

What does their domestic murder rate have to do with Putin's homicidal government?

What does their death penalty have to do with Putin's homicidal government?

What does all that word soup have to do with Putin's homicidal government?

Not at all. It appears you do not understand what homicide is. Or you are only counting the homicides from one country, whiich is obviously ridiculous. 300.000 registered violent deaths alone in Iraq, caused by USA illegal war. https://www.iraqbodycount.org/.

"What does it have to do with Putin's homicidal government?" - nothing directly, You claimed Russia was the most homicidal. I have given plain evidence that is total BS. Even if you just count war, which is only one slice of the cake.

[JustTK]

Give us some fact-based substantiation that refutes the facts cited in the Factcheck.

Here is one example of Factcheck getting it wrong:

https://unherd.com/2021/05/how-faceb...b-leak-theory/

The buried the lab leak theory, the buried the Great Barrington Declaration. YT is still censoring anything and anyone that says the vaxes don't help reduce transmission.

[EihTooms]

I respectfully disagree Elvis. Why not let bygones be bygones. Fauci et al were doing their best. I don't think the scientists and the doctors were involved in a massive political conspiracy. I listened to them, wore my KN95 masks when it made sense, and got vaccinated and boosted. And since the start of COVID I've only had one cold. And it wasn't COVID. My friends who weren't cautious have all had COVID at least once, with varying degrees of severity, from the sniffles to death.

Thank goodness for American Big Pharma and the Trump Administration's Operation Warp Speed, which got the mRNA vaccines out of the labs, through the FDA, and into peoples' arms in record time!

Now if you want to see a real COVID political conspiracy, take a look at this advertisement from the Lincoln Project.

https://youtu.be/HuUX7zRhMKQ

Trump intentionally set out to kill your parents, your neighbors, your friends. And you! He wanted to murder 3 million Americans! Mother f***er!.

Glad to see at least you are providing some useful substantiation links. Unlike most other pro Repub posters here.

That is an excellent video. And, as we now know after the fact, it was 100% accurate. Don't know how I missed it at the time.

They caught ironclad video evidence of Trump admiting that his "herd mentality / herd immunity" plan would produce millions of deaths vs the vaccines followed by ironclad video evidence of him promoting that very plan.

But where is the "crap" part to which you referred? It isn't about believing anything. It's about seeing and hearing what Trump actually said.

Of course, I could again and again provide the substantiation links showing Trump spending nearly all of critical Trump's Pandenic creation year of 2020 promoting and enacting his plan to kill "millions" by assuring the world that his Pandemic's virus is "disappearing, we've got it under control, it will go away without a vaccine. " A vaccine he sends a loud and clear repeated message that no one should bother inventing or taking.

But that would be overkill in light of your excellent video link showing and proving how he did it in real time.

Thanks for saving me some time. Now, back to choosing which cute 20-22 year old girl I'll allow to come over to pop her legs or mouth open for my load tonight.

[Xpartan]

Let's begin with a simple fact that the mortality rate is pointless.

Why? Because in February there were 3,000 deaths daily. Today, it's "only" 300+.

Which is why making any kinds of conclusions by the current 1% mortality rate is dumb. The mortality rate is not constant.

The case fatality rate isnt constant: it changes with the context

Sometimes commentators talk about the CFR as if its a single, steady number: an unchanging fact about the disease.

But its not a biological constant; instead, it reflects the situation in a particular context, at a particular time, in a particular population.

The probability that someone dies from a disease doesnt just depend on the disease itself, but also on the treatment they receive, and on the patients own ability to recover from it.

This means that the CFR can decrease or increase over time, as responses change; and it can vary by location and by the characteristics of the infected population, such as age, or sex. For instance, older populations would expect to see a higher CFR from COVID-19 than younger ones.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

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There is no such thing as a 1% fatality rate.

Some people are young and healthy. For them, the CFR will be miniscule, much less than 1%.

For older people who are reasonably healthy it'll be higher.

For older but fully vaccinated people it'll lower.

For older people who're not healthy higher.

For old people with systemic diseases the CFR is far above 1%. In May 2022 the mortality of people over 60 years old was 4. 5%. But for the subset of those who are fully vaccinated it'll be lower..

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9125886/

It means, that for Elvis (and me, and most other ISGers, I suspect) the 99% survival rate is a fiction.

And of course, what our enlightened Elvis completely fails to recognize is a thing called long Covid. It's when you ain't dead, but sometimes you wish you were.

Nearly One in Five American Adults Who Have Had COVID-19 Still Have "Long COVID".

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/n...2/20220622.htm#text=Overall%2 see%201%20 in%2013%20 adults, long%20 COVID%20 than%20 younger%20 adults.

But what the hell. None of that matters as long as they can enjoy throwing shit at the same people who've been keeping them alive.

[Tiny 12]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...nesty-pandemic

The Atlantic has come under fire for suggesting that all the terrible pandemic-era decisions over lockdowns, school closures, masking, and punishing an entire class of people who questioned the efficacy and wisdom of taking a rushed, experimental vaccine. For a virus with a 99% survival rate in most, should all be water under the bridge.

Unlike the douches here, the Atlantic seems to realize they were wrong about Covid and people are still pretty pissed about it. Of course, that is not why I liked the story. I loved this epic response to the Atlantic.

Heysorry you lost your job be / see of the vax that doesn't work and your grandmother died alone and you couldn't have a funeral and your brother's business was needlessly destroyed and your kids have weird heart problemsbut let's just admit we were all wrong and call a truce, eh?

It's too bad we shut the entire economy down & took on tyrannical powers that have never been used before in this countrylooking back, you should have been able to go to church and use public parks while we let people riot in the streetsbut it was a confusing time for everyone.

Hey I'm sorry we scared the hell out of you & lied for years & persecuted & censored anyone who disagreed but there was an election going on & we really wanted to beat Donald Trump so it was important to radically politicize the science even if it destroyed your children's lives.

OK, yes we said unvaccinated people should die & not get healthcare while never questioning Big Pharma once but we are compassionate people which is why even though we shut down the entire economy we also bankrupted the nation & caused inflation. You're welcome! Let's be friends.

That only thing the statement above lacks is a microphone dropping.

I respectfully disagree Elvis. Why not let bygones be bygones. Fauci et al were doing their best. I don't think the scientists and the doctors were involved in a massive political conspiracy. I listened to them, wore my KN95 masks when it made sense, and got vaccinated and boosted. And since the start of COVID I've only had one cold. And it wasn't COVID. My friends who weren't cautious have all had COVID at least once, with varying degrees of severity, from the sniffles to death.

Thank goodness for American Big Pharma and the Trump Administration's Operation Warp Speed, which got the mRNA vaccines out of the labs, through the FDA, and into peoples' arms in record time!

Now if you want to see a real COVID political conspiracy, take a look at this advertisement from the Lincoln Project.

https://youtu.be/HuUX7zRhMKQ

Trump intentionally set out to kill your parents, your neighbors, your friends. And you! He wanted to murder 3 million Americans! Mother f***er!

There are people out there who still believe this crap! And who still say those who didn't get vaccinated shouldn't get medical care for COVID! They're probably the ones who still wear masks outdoors as a sign of their political correctness and moral superiority, but get pissed off when people suggest they stop smoking or wear condoms. There were about 20,000 of them in the college town where I lived during 2020. Well, our COVID mortality rate AT THAT TIME was indeed lower than some places, but the STD infection rate was also among the highest in the country.

[EihTooms]

Who said that? You hearing voices again?

And how is this good for you? Do you work an entry level job? Are you working the front desk at a Fairfield Inn? I thought you would this uber rich millionaire living it up in Thailand? Or maybe you meant to say you thought you were.

For those of us who do not have voice ringing in our head, there is a thing called supply and demand. Entry level jobs go to 18 to 21 year olds, and this time frame corresponds to the end of the dot com era. When families are hit financially, they have fewer kids and for the next decade or so, there is an undersupply of entry level workers, people who will be 18 to 21. If there are the same number of jobs but fewer workers, those workers can be picky and demand more pay like they have done.

Oh, I was just preemptively providing the usual No Substantiation Repub / pro Repub Bothsider response to good news about Biden's historic roaring economic recovery. In this case, it was good news that Trump's Pandemic Supply-Chain Destruction Inflation has clearly not been bad enough to prevent classic Dem stewardship from continuing to create plenty of jobs, and higher wage jobs, to reasonably deal with it.

As a USA citizen who pays and does not pride himself in dodging USA taxes, owns rental property in one of the great states that make extraordinarily high contributions to the USA and world economies as well as maintaining a meaningful investment in virtually every industry and public company in America, naturally a solid, growing, expanding Dem economy in historic recovery from the latest Great Repub Crash and Massive Jobs Destruction is "good for me."

My question is, why wouldn't that be good for you and other admitted and wiggly Repubs?

Yes, I know all about wage-triggered inflation. If you don't or can't deal with that then best you always and only vote Dem from now on and tell all of your Inflation-hating friends to do the same. Then Repubs won't be in a position to Crash the USA economy, wipe out millions upon millions of jobs and produce the kind of horrific results that require proven Dem recovery measures that inevitably will produce some notable inflation.

I realize Inflation can be kept low the preferred Repub way; by either producing one or two Great Repub Recessions in a single term or, as in at least one example, produce enough smaller ones to result in the country languishing in a near constant state of Recession for FIVE of a Repub's eight years in office. But my wallet, my portfolio, my rent rolls, my tax dollars' use and my country, the USA, fares much, much better when Dem stewardship produces far superior results than that.

As the above has been proven here time and time again to be the Dem vs Repub results with a multitude of substantiation links to the data, historic and current actual record on the most important economic metrics.

[Xpartan]

I will forgive your ignorant thoughts. No doubt you were educated in the usa. But how can russia be more homicidal? Usa has higher domestic murder rate, murders most civilians in wars, has higher death penalty rates, higher covid deaths. Answer please.

Usa government has the most money in it to buy policy, usa uses international institutions such as imf, wb, nati for its own ends, invades countries that it wants, cuases coups. In what eay ix russia more corrupt?

What does covid deaths have to do with Putin's homicidal government?

What does their domestic murder rate have to do with Putin's homicidal government?

What does their death penalty have to do with Putin's homicidal government?

What money to buy policy, what institutions, what in the holy name of fuck are you blubbering about?

What does all that word soup have to do with Putin's homicidal government?

Russia has already murdered over 6,000 thousands innocent Ukrainian civilians including over 400 children (that's only officially confirmed deaths, the actual toll is much higher). The city of Mariupol has been erased from earth, that's an additional tens of thousand deaths we haven't uncovered yet since it's still occupied by the aggressor.

In every place liberated by the AFU, there are dozens of mass graves, there are torture chambers, horrors, ruins, blood.

[Elvis 2008]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...nesty-pandemic

The Atlantic has come under fire for suggesting that all the terrible pandemic-era decisions over lockdowns, school closures, masking, and punishing an entire class of people who questioned the efficacy and wisdom of taking a rushed, experimental vaccine. For a virus with a 99% survival rate in most, should all be water under the bridge.

Unlike the douches here, the Atlantic seems to realize they were wrong about Covid and people are still pretty pissed about it. Of course, that is not why I liked the story. I loved this epic response to the Atlantic.

Heysorry you lost your job be / see of the vax that doesn't work and your grandmother died alone and you couldn't have a funeral and your brother's business was needlessly destroyed and your kids have weird heart problemsbut let's just admit we were all wrong and call a truce, eh?

It's too bad we shut the entire economy down & took on tyrannical powers that have never been used before in this countrylooking back, you should have been able to go to church and use public parks while we let people riot in the streetsbut it was a confusing time for everyone.

Hey I'm sorry we scared the hell out of you & lied for years & persecuted & censored anyone who disagreed but there was an election going on & we really wanted to beat Donald Trump so it was important to radically politicize the science even if it destroyed your children's lives.

OK, yes we said unvaccinated people should die & not get healthcare while never questioning Big Pharma once but we are compassionate people which is why even though we shut down the entire economy we also bankrupted the nation & caused inflation. You're welcome! Let's be friends.

That only thing the statement above lacks is a microphone dropping.

[Elvis 2008]

Yeah, yeah, I know; "ADP is a liberal, left-leaning, biased, fake news organization with a pro Dem agenda. ".

Who said that? You hearing voices again?

Private payrolls up 239,000 in October while wages rose 7.7%, ADP says

Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems and everyone who voted for them.

And how is this good for you? Do you work an entry level job? Are you working the front desk at a Fairfield Inn? I thought you would this uber rich millionaire living it up in Thailand? Or maybe you meant to say you thought you were.

For those of us who do not have voice ringing in our head, there is a thing called supply and demand. Entry level jobs go to 18 to 21 year olds, and this time frame corresponds to the end of the dot com era. When families are hit financially, they have fewer kids and for the next decade or so, there is an undersupply of entry level workers, people who will be 18 to 21. If there are the same number of jobs but fewer workers, those workers can be picky and demand more pay like they have done.

And wage inflation then leads to general inflation, and inflation is the #1 thing the Fed looks at when raising rates. And raising rates leads to your imaginary portfolio of stocks getting crushed. So yes, thanks Nancy and Chuck and everyone who voted Democrat and crushed Tooms' portfolio.

[ChuchoLoco]

I will forgive your ignorant thoughts. No doubt you were educated in the usa. But how can russia be more homicidal? Usa has higher domestic murder rate, murders most civilians in wars, has higher death penalty rates, higher covid deaths. Answer please.

Usa government has the most money in it to buy policy, usa uses international institutions such as imf, wb, nati for its own ends, invades countries that it wants, cuases coups. In what eay ix russia more corrupt?

This is true but the USA is made up of mostly of Europeans at least at one time and it is carrying on the traditions of the Colonial Powers. There really are no good guys and there never has been.

[JustTK]

There is no country in the world that are more homicidal than Putin's Russia.

There is no big country that are more corrupt than Putin's Russia..

I will forgive your ignorant thoughts. No doubt you were educated in the usa. But how can russia be more homicidal? Usa has higher domestic murder rate, murders most civilians in wars, has higher death penalty rates, higher covid deaths. Answer please.

Usa government has the most money in it to buy policy, usa uses international institutions such as imf, wb, nati for its own ends, invades countries that it wants, cuases coups. In what eay ix russia more corrupt?

[EihTooms]

No "high approval ratings" because of extremely low unemployment rates, super low inflation, and a 45% increase in average income, a big rise in union influence plus a decrease in federal spending as a % of GDP. And the on the ground facts, of Americans enjoying a range of new home appliances while buying second cars and enjoying vacations on a new interstate highway system. Your "Republican good, Democrat bad" dichotomy comes crashing down in the face of your posturing here, even as bad as your reaching back to blame Lincoln for the Civil War. You are a hack hitting two many shots in your budget retirement haven, while Pach of course is an actual, credible historian. Your are even too ignorant to know that the Republican party of the 1860's was an entirely different animal to that of recent times. LOL.

https://millercenter.org/president/e...mestic-affairs

P.S. We see your regular fallacy, that of the filibuster. You type out War and Peace hoping no one will read all the hogwash.

Paulie, I destroyed your millercenter link's assessment of Eisenhower's atrocious economy with their own clumsy admission that the USA was in a state of Recession for FIVE of the eight years Eisenhower was in office, including his last year in office, just in time for the usual crap Repub-to-Dem hand-off. And nevermind that 20% of Americans lived in poverty as defined much worse that it is today because, oh well, nobody was paying much attention to those people during the Eisenhower years anyway.

The reason I talk about the economic results of the Dem Party vs the Repub Party is because that is the one agenda that has largely remained intact and unchanged for each Party since the Repub Party was born. Or, rather, since the Whig Party and the Know Nothing Party once again changed its name.

Uh. People who actually know the other historical agendas of each Party don't even have to go as far back as 1860 to point out that those other agendas radically changed. Just going back to 1964/1968 is enough. Or were you too dumb to know that?

However, even as Southern racist bigot voters changed their regional allegiance from Dem to Repub at that time, the general economic agenda of each Party remained the same; Repubs work to produce crap / horrific economic results and Dems work to produce historic, successful recoveries and economic expansion.

[Elvis 2008]

Your latest anti-Factcheck and anti-fact checkers series was in response to my Factcheck link showing how you, Elvis and other anti-vax, Covid response conspiracy proponents misrepresented the facts of what was said and has ever been expected of a vaccine.

Let us be clear about what the conspiracy was, Tooms. You Democratic douches wanted to blame Trump for Covid, Hell, you and your buddies at the NYT did all they could to label a cold virus a Republican disease. The Trump administration does operation warp speed, and they do get a vaccine, and it is released when Biden is president. At first, it worked pretty good.

Then like all cold virus vaccines, it started failing once the virus mutated. Instead of doing the right thing and pulling the vaccine, Biden doubles down on it, mandates it, and all for the political reason of blaming Republicans. If you get Covid and are not vaccinated, Biden is saying your getting Covid is on you, and all while I was seeing boat loads of people who were vaccinated with Covid, and the vaccine prevention rate plummeted to less than 50%.

So who cares if there were more deaths under Biden than Trump? Biden was saying that the people dying were these stupid anti-science Republican retards.

Fast forward, and all your beloved pro-vaccine blowhard "scientists" got Covid after saying the vaccine prevented their getting Covid. That is not a conspiracy douche. It is what happened.

And oh yeah, they did not have as severe a case as Trump because they got the milder strain of Covid? No, according to you Tooms, they were less sick because they were "science" loving Democrats.

So yeah, I get with your little "good and evil" pea sized binary douche brain Tooms, you cannot compute that I was pro-vax when the vaccine worked and anti-vax when it did not.

Like you with economics and PVM with the vaccine, you douches fall back into arrogance when you do not understand things.

The right wing media AKA the Epoch Times had a field day when Boston University researchers made a Corona virus that killed 80% of the mice that got it. And why wouldn't the Epoch Times do this? Douches like you have been blaming Trump for the pandemic while leaving the Chinse scientists and NIH "scientists" like Fauci who funded them off the hook for creating the fucking virus to begin with.

The shame of it all is BU published is a valuable paper. There is a link to the paper in this article: https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/pl...ton-university.

What the "vaccine" does is get the body to produce a spike protein similar to what the virus had and that spike protein induces an immune response, yet the vaccine failed because the virus changed the spike protein.

Here is a direct quote from the paper, "The Omicron S (spike protein) -bearing virus robustly escapes vaccine-induced humoral immunity. " How can that be? You said Biden was not sick because he got the vaccine. Where the fuck did you come up with that Tooms? You pull it out of your ass like everything else?

And oh, Trump got sicker because he was not vaccinated. "We generated chimeric recombinant SARS-CoV-2 encoding the S gene of Omicron in the backbone of an ancestral SARS-CoV-2 isolate and compared this virus with the naturally circulating Omicron variant. ".

So BU researchers took Biden's S protein and the other part of the virus, the part Trump had, and mixed the two, and what happened?

"In K18-hACE2 mice, while Omicron causes mild, non-fatal infection, the Omicron S-carrying virus inflicts severe disease with a mortality rate of 80%.

The scary part about this is how easy a virus like this is to make but because of douches like you, Tooms, people do not know about this. You douches think that we cannot have another pandemic because Trump is not in office.

You see what your binary bullshit gets you Tooms? How can you be pro-vax when the vaccine does not work and causes side effects? Just like the market, this is not political but you are so fucking stupid that you made it such.

Maybe you should go play around in the BU lab Tooms. Maybe you, PVM, and Xpartan and all the other dumb as shit pro-vaxxers should put your money where your mouths are this time and go to BU and say they are Trump loving, full of shit anti-vaxxers and expose yourself to this new virus.

You are vaccinated after all. You got nothing to worry about right? If you dumb asses are not willing to do that, then STFU about Covid and the vaccine.

[Cali Guy]

So true. Seeing it a lot in Arizona where Kelly is up for re-election in AZ. He voted with Biden 95% of the time. He voted to stop building the wall in Arizona and now the tv ads show him in total support of border security and totally against Biden administration on the border.

Democrats are bailing on Biden short term just trying to get re-elected after they have totally devastated the country with the democrats open borders policy and the democrats defund the police. Not sure which democrat policy is worse but they definitely have made every American's life worse if they live in USA. Other countries live the fact that democrats have weakened the USA so much in just 2 years. November 8 can't come soon enough.

[PVMonger]

You really are snagged in your own net of popaganda. Even a post about Facebook, and you have to trurn it in to an attack on Chump. You guys' brains are so warped.

My post said claimed nothing about the accuracy of the article on the history of Donbass. You made that bit up so you could again attack smthg you are comfortable with. The post was about the state censorship of free speech. Attack that please.

First, I never attacked Donnie the Dumbass. Rather, I attacked the supporters of Donnie the Dumbass. There is (supposedly) a difference.

And if "free speech" is censored, how come I was able to find the articles on the internet? In countries where "free speech" is really censored (North Korea, Iran, Belarus, China, Cuba, etc), the internet is isn't even available.