American Politics

[Canada]

This is a huge story which is being predictably ignored by the wacko leftist fake news.

We already knew that Facebook and Twitter interfered in the election by blocking the story about Hunter's laptop and the vast evidence of crimes contained therein. Polls have shown that, had voters had access to the censored story, it would have decisively shifted the election to Trump (ie his victory would have been so enormous that even the huge amount of democrat mail-in ballot rigging would not have been enough to steal it). https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...as-election-i/.

That was bad enough. But it just got worse.

Zuckerberg went on Joe Rogan the other day and said that the FBI told him the laptop was "Russian minsinformation".

That was a flat-out lie, and the FBI knew it. It has now been quietly acknowledged even in the fake news media that the laptop is real, and the feds have known it for years..

Exactly true. The FBI is doing exactly what the KGB did in the former Soviet Union. That is why we have to push against the far left wacko's communism.

[DramaFree11]

It is the one year anniversary of one of Biden's biggest failures. Not many people celebrating. Democrats avoiding the subject. There still are Americans stuck in Afghanistan and the Taliban has restored their terrorist leadership government. Taliban is well armed as Biden left billions of dollars of new weapons for them to use against Americans. Biden talking about sending money for humanitarian aid to Afghanistan which will go to Taliban terror groups. You can't fix stupid.

Biden and the Democratic's did have a good week last week, but the rest of his presidency is a complete joke. He is a disaster and taking the country in the complete wrong course. Hopefully the country has learned there lesson and realize the Democratic Party is not capable of leading anything.

[PVMonger]

At this point, I must take a moment to salute the indefatigable sacrifice of Elvis2008.

Probably fewer than one in a thousand readers make it anywhere near the end of any of PissVomitMonger's marathons of turgid, unreadable wordsludge likely copy-pasted from one of the unread wacko left fake news publications kept afloat by Soros money. Whenever I try, the sheer volume of falsity, entitlement and illogic soon overwhelms me, and I am forced to retreat, eyes bleeding, to the safety and calm of the Pattaya Forum.

Yet somehow, Elvis regularly rebuts in full these veritable oceans of fake news sewage, standing magnificently astride the parted sea of mendacity like Charlton Heston, leftist lies driven back to the festering dark corners of communism whence they came.

Not all heroes wear capes.

I, at least, provided the source. You never do.

And what, pray tell, in what I posted, was false?

Are you saying that Trump was in authorized to be in possession of national defense information, namely properly marked classified documents? Because he was not. He can't declassify documents just by waving his magic wand. Furthermore, if he wanted certain documents declassified, that request needed to be memorialized, which means written down. No such memorialization exists. Which means, to everybody with an IQ higher that 6, that it never happened.

Are you saying that he was not put on notice by the USA Government that he was not permitted to retain those documents at Mar-a-Lago? . Because his lawyers said he had no more classified documents on June 3rd. They even signed an affidavit. Which means that Donnie the Dumbass lied to them.

Are you saying that he did not continue to maintain possession of the documents (and allegedly undertook efforts to conceal them in different places throughout the property) up until the FBI finally executed a search warrant earlier this month? Because the FBI found more classified documents when they raided Mar-a-Lago. They were told so by witnesses.

Because if that's what you're saying, then you are abso-freakin-lutely incorrect.

[PVMonger]

This is a very typical ploy in communist countries. Communist governments like Russia do this all the time. If there is a threat to Putin by a political foe he will get a fake charge brought against his opponents and arrest them or jail them. In communist countries they do not have fair elections. This is just a far left communist action to get Trump out of the 2024 election drafted by Biden and an anti Trump judge and enforced by Biden KGB.

So you're saying that there were no classified documents in what the Mango Mussolini returned to NARA earlier this year? You're saying that there were no classified documents in what the FBI took on August 8? You're saying that the Mango Mussolini's lawyers told the truth on June 3rd when they said that he had no more classified documents?

Rofl while smdh.

[ScatManDoo]

This is a huge story which is being predictably ignored by the wacko leftist fake news.

We already knew that Facebook and Twitter interfered in the election by blocking the story about Hunter's laptop and the vast evidence of crimes contained therein. Polls have shown that, had voters had access to the censored story, it would have decisively shifted the election to Trump (ie his victory would have been so enormous that even the huge amount of democrat mail-in ballot rigging would not have been enough to steal it). https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...as-election-i/.

That was bad enough. But it just got worse.

Zuckerberg went on Joe Rogan the other day and said that the FBI told him the laptop was "Russian minsinformation".

That was a flat-out lie, and the FBI knew it. It has now been quietly acknowledged even in the fake news media that the laptop is real, and the feds have known it for years..

Double agent TrumpShit is headed for the slammer for espionage.

[Canada]

I have finally seen enough. Donald Trump will be indicted by a federal grand jury.

You heard me right: I believe Trump will actually be indicted for a criminal offense. Even with all its redactions, the probable cause affidavit published today by the magistrate judge in Florida makes clear to me three essential points:

(1) Trump was in unauthorized possession of national defense information, namely properly marked classified documents.

(2) he was put on notice by the USA Government that he was not permitted to retain those documents at Mar-a-Lago.

(3) he continued to maintain possession of the documents (and allegedly undertook efforts to conceal them in different places throughout the property) up until the FBI finally executed a search warrant earlier this month.

That is the ball game, folks. Absent some unforeseen change in factual or legal circumstances, I believe there is little left for the Justice Department to do but decide whether to wait until after the midterms to formally seek the indictment from the grand jury.

The cruelest irony for Trump is that it never needed to be this way.

Put aside that in the chaos following his election loss Trump's team never undertook the normal procedure for properly sorting through and archiving his presidential records in coordination with the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). Put aside that properly marked classified records were shipped to Mar-a-Lago and sat there for months until he began turning stuff over to NARA in late 2021.

If he had fully cooperated at that point, and returned all of the records to NARA last year, this likely never would have become a criminal matter. DOJ would have declined to take any action, notwithstanding the existence of the classified records, and it would have been a "no harm, no foul" situation. Just another minor story in the Trump saga of incompetence.

But Trump just could not bring himself to play by the rules. He turned over 15 boxes last January but did not turn over all the records. Political operatives from conservative organizations started whispering into his ear that he had legal precedent on his side to refuse to turn over the classified records to NARA (he did not). His lawyers surprisingly wrote a rather condescending letter to DOJ in May 2022, effectively arguing that even if there were still classified records at Mar-a-Lago the FBI lacked the authority to take any criminal action against Trump given his former status as president. Then, in June 2022 after the FBI executed a subpoena to recover more records at Mar-a-Lago, two Trump lawyers wrote (and one signed) a sworn affidavit reassuring the government there were no more classified records at the property.

We now know that statement was not true. The FBI found multiple more classified records, including some with markings for Top Secret / Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS / SCI) during the search this month, and not just located in the storage room with the other boxes of records. They found records located in different parts of Mar-a-Lago.

Of course, there are various arguments for why a prosecution might not succeed in this situation.

There is the contention by Trump and his allies that he declassified the documents, whether through a "standing order" or more specific verbal action. No evidence has been produced corroborating that assertion, and there certainly is no indication that the classification markings themselves were ever revised to reflect the declassification. The Trump lawyers in May certainly did not provide any such evidence in their letter to DOJ, and they similarly provided no evidence of it in their "motion" filed earlier this week in district court in Florida seeking a Special Master.

And that is before we even consider if the classification status would matter for an Espionage Act prosecution, which only requires that the information relate to the national defense.

There is also the issue of selective political prosecution and supposed bad faith by the government in its decision to pursue the case. This is something that has been mentioned ad nauseum by Trump allies on cable news, and was briefly mentioned in the "motion" filed earlier this week in court. Lacking from those arguments is anything beyond rank speculation. That will not fly in court. Just ask Sidney Powell how well it works to try to litigate in court the way you argue on cable news. Hint: it does not go well.

All in all, this case should and in my opinion will result in an indictment. Sure, an indictment does not equal a conviction. Trump is still assumed innocent until proven guilty. There are unknown variables like whether the prosecution would occur in Florida or in the. See. We do not know what evidence Trump might have to substantiate his declassification claim. And we do not know what the courts would say about his various arguments.

Get the popcorn ready either way.

Source: https://news.yahoo.com/over-trump-indicted-220111093.

This is a very typical ploy in communist countries. Communist governments like Russia do this all the time. If there is a threat to Putin by a political foe he will get a fake charge brought against his opponents and arrest them or jail them. In communist countries they do not have fair elections. This is just a far left communist action to get Trump out of the 2024 election drafted by Biden and an anti Trump judge and enforced by Biden KGB.

[Travv]

Steve Musal: "I'm not a lawyer. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the majority of the Metropolitan's readers are also not lawyers. And while there are a few exceptions, I know most of my Facebook followers aren't lawyers. And yet, there are many people who seem to be so sure of their understanding about how a grand jury works, that they're willing to take any decision made at face value — as proof of innocence or guilt.

That's not actually how a grand jury works. In a grand jury hearing, the prosecution (usually only the prosecution) presents evidence in a relaxed setting to the grand jury, who decide whether to issue an indictment **— whether there is enough evidence to charge someone with a crime. Since, traditionally, the defense doesn't get a say, it's pretty easy to get a grand jury to indict someone in most cases. In fact, it's so easy in most cases that a former New York state chief judge, Sol Wachtler, famously remarked that a prosecutor could persuade a grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich. " On a federal level, in 2010 (the last year for which we have statistics), grand juries returned just 11 out of 162,000 violent crime cases without an indictment, according to the FBI's Bureau of Justice Statistics. . . ".

https://www.mymetmedia.com/indict-ham-sandwich/

The sworn affidavit presented to secure the search warrant for Mar-a-Lago used by the FBI to raid Donald Trump's home had what appears to be a crucial error in it, one that could be easily debunked. If the facts detailed by independent journalist Paul Sperry are accurate, this could be enough to obliterate the Department of Justice's case against Trump. . . BREAKING: The FBI affiant who swore to the Mar-a-Lago search warrant appears to have made a critical factual error by stating in the unsealed affidavit: "I do not believe that any spaces within the PREMISES have been authorized for the storage of classified information. " This finding, which is the linchpin of the criminal case vs. Trump, overlooks the fact that: 1) White House records confirm that a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) authorizing the briefing and storage of classified material up to the TS / SCI level had in fact been installed at Mar-a-Lago; and, 2) records show that the Secret Service had recently awarded a nearly $600,000 contract to upgrade physical security within the premises at Mar-a-Lago for Trump's post-presidency transition. . . https://americafirstreport.com/criti...against-trump/.

I have finally seen enough. Donald Trump will be indicted by a federal grand jury.

You heard me right: I believe Trump will actually be indicted for a criminal offense. Even with all its redactions, the probable cause affidavit published today by the magistrate judge in Florida makes clear to me three essential points:

(1) Trump was in unauthorized possession of national defense information, namely properly marked classified documents.

(2) he was put on notice by the USA Government that he was not permitted to retain those documents at Mar-a-Lago.

(3) he continued to maintain possession of the documents (and allegedly undertook efforts to conceal them in different places throughout the property) up until the FBI finally executed a search warrant earlier this month.

That is the ball game, folks. Absent some unforeseen change in factual or legal circumstances, I believe there is little left for the Justice Department to do but decide whether to wait until after the midterms to formally seek the indictment from the grand jury.

The cruelest irony for Trump is that it never needed to be this way.

Put aside that in the chaos following his election loss Trump's team never undertook the normal procedure for properly sorting through and archiving his presidential records in coordination with the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). Put aside that properly marked classified records were shipped to Mar-a-Lago and sat there for months until he began turning stuff over to NARA in late 2021.

If he had fully cooperated at that point, and returned all of the records to NARA last year, this likely never would have become a criminal matter. DOJ would have declined to take any action, notwithstanding the existence of the classified records, and it would have been a "no harm, no foul" situation. Just another minor story in the Trump saga of incompetence.

But Trump just could not bring himself to play by the rules. He turned over 15 boxes last January but did not turn over all the records. Political operatives from conservative organizations started whispering into his ear that he had legal precedent on his side to refuse to turn over the classified records to NARA (he did not). His lawyers surprisingly wrote a rather condescending letter to DOJ in May 2022, effectively arguing that even if there were still classified records at Mar-a-Lago the FBI lacked the authority to take any criminal action against Trump given his former status as president. Then, in June 2022 after the FBI executed a subpoena to recover more records at Mar-a-Lago, two Trump lawyers wrote (and one signed) a sworn affidavit reassuring the government there were no more classified records at the property.

We now know that statement was not true. The FBI found multiple more classified records, including some with markings for Top Secret / Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS / SCI) during the search this month, and not just located in the storage room with the other boxes of records. They found records located in different parts of Mar-a-Lago.

Of course, there are various arguments for why a prosecution might not succeed in this situation.

There is the contention by Trump and his allies that he declassified the documents, whether through a "standing order" or more specific verbal action. No evidence has been produced corroborating that assertion, and there certainly is no indication that the classification markings themselves were ever revised to reflect the declassification. The Trump lawyers in May certainly did not provide any such evidence in their letter to DOJ, and they similarly provided no evidence of it in their "motion" filed earlier this week in district court in Florida seeking a Special Master.

And that is before we even consider if the classification status would matter for an Espionage Act prosecution, which only requires that the information relate to the national defense.

There is also the issue of selective political prosecution and supposed bad faith by the government in its decision to pursue the case. This is something that has been mentioned ad nauseum by Trump allies on cable news, and was briefly mentioned in the "motion" filed earlier this week in court. Lacking from those arguments is anything beyond rank speculation. That will not fly in court. Just ask Sidney Powell how well it works to try to litigate in court the way you argue on cable news. Hint: it does not go well.

All in all, this case should and in my opinion will result in an indictment. Sure, an indictment does not equal a conviction. Trump is still assumed innocent until proven guilty. There are unknown variables like whether the prosecution would occur in Florida or in the. See. We do not know what evidence Trump might have to substantiate his declassification claim. And we do not know what the courts would say about his various arguments.

Get the popcorn ready either way.

Source: https://news.yahoo.com/over-trump-in...220111093.html.

[EihTooms]

"Every conversation I ever had with a Trumper".

LOL.

https://fb.watch/faAFXSFwi3/

[MarquisdeSade1]

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[Canada]

It is the one year anniversary of one of Biden's biggest failures. Not many people celebrating. Democrats avoiding the subject. There still are Americans stuck in Afghanistan and the Taliban has restored their terrorist leadership government. Taliban is well armed as Biden left billions of dollars of new weapons for them to use against Americans. Biden talking about sending money for humanitarian aid to Afghanistan which will go to Taliban terror groups. You can't fix stupid.

[Canada]

Uh, American businesses and the American consumer paid those Trump Tariffs / Taxes / Higher, Inflationary Prices:

Who Really Pays the Tariffs? U.S. Firms and Consumers, Through Higher Prices
December 15, 2021

https://taxfoundation.org/who-really-pays-tariffs/

You are missing the point on dealing with a corrupt communist country. They just manipulate their currency to compete with the tariffs. The Chines people pay the price. That is why so many Americans are fighting the far left communist agenda.

[Canada]

Do you have any understanding at all about tariffs?

Tariffs are not paid by the sender. They are paid by the receiver. The receiver than jacks up the price of their product to cover their increased cost. Eventually, the consumer is who suffers. https://taxfoundation.org/who-really-pays-tariffs/and https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxv...nd-who-pays-it and https://www.investors.com/news/econo...t-is-a-tariff/ ad infinitum.

Please stop listening to FUX Snooze.

Yes I know how tariffs work. USA companies bought the Chinese products. When Trump put the tariffs on China they devalued their currency by 10%. Consumers paid the 10% less for the products plus the 10% tariff and ended up paying the same for the product. China received 10% less Farmers got a settlement from the trade wars. A lot different than the giveaway by Biden to the worthless deadbeats who weren't paying their student loans.

[Canada]

Nope, China did not pay for it in Tariffs. The American people paid the tariffs and here you call yourself a businessman. The tariffs are tax revenue, they are not a slush fund to dole out to anyone. Trump had no authority to hand out tax dollars in a big farm givaway.

China paid for it. Trump put 10% tariffs on these China goods and China devalued their currency 10% so that they could keep their market share. China received less USD and farmers got paid. You are saying Trump can't dole out money to farmers who got harmed on the trade deals but you think Biden can give billions to dead beat worthless democrats?

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2022...et-prostitute/

Ok which of you Florida swamp creatures is going to fess up?

[Elvis 2008]

And stop changing the subject also.

First, you obviously didn't read what I cited re: what is a "presidential record". I guaran-damn-tee you that the warrant was written the way it was because of the state of the original 15 boxes of documents that were returned to NARA.

LOL. It was everything he ever looked at or touched. A note written for hamburgers was specifically included in the warrant. Let me repeat: this was a general warrant and illegal. You still have no clue what that is.

Had those boxes been orderly, etc. The warrant would have been written differently. But those boxes weren't that way. Stuff was intertwingled all over the place, with newspaper clippings, magazine articles, etc. Intermixed with confidential documents that were not in their proper folders.

It does not matter. You cannot use general warrants.

Second, the Mango Mussolini isn't Jeanie ("I Dream of Jeanie") or Samantha ("Bewitched" he can't just cross his arms and nod his head or twitch his nose and magically declassify documents. Period. That decision needs to be memorialized. Which, by the way, means written down. And if it is written down, it should be in the possession of NARA. Period. So Donnie the Dumbass did not declassify documents (no matter what he said) and he was in illegally possession of them because they never should have left the White House.

You did not read the Atlantic article. He can do exactly that.

Third, your assertion of "copies" is absurd. You obviously have no idea of the steps required to copy a classified document.

How many documents were classified and how long would have copies have taken to be done? Biden sent in 30 people with machine guns. Maybe one with a copy machine would have been more appropriate.

Fourth, regardless of whether the documents were originals or copies, Donnie the Dumbass was in illegally possession of them because they never should have left the White House. I realize that concept is absolutely foreign to you and that's what is at the crux of the issue here. The Orange Menace had absolutely no need to keep those documents. He was illegally in possession of them because they all should have been turned over to NARA.

Trump got a subpoena and his last words to NARA were come back and get whatever you want if you need it. They told him to put a lock on the door and he did. I have not played the whatabout card with Hiliary Clinton and Obama but the Attorney General brought it up and said the law was applied equally to everyone. He holds this press conference and it was just 4 minutes of pure bullshit lies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEXkitl7rv4.

And not only that, but NARA started "negotiating" with the idiot soon after he left the WH. And it took them a year to get less than half of what they sought. Obstruction, anyone? Then, after seeing what a sorry state the records were in and finding classified information in those documents, NARA turned the matter over to the FBI. The FBI did their thing and here we are.

You really cannot read between the lines can you? Trump had documents that embarrassed the FBI. He was showing them to people and obviously did not want to give them up. That is what prompted this raid with machine guns. The FBI and Biden did not want him to have those documents.

The amusing thing about all of this is that it all could have been avoided. Yep. All Donnie the Dumbass needed to do was to say something like (in February of 2020) "Hey guys, I was going through some boxes that were shipped to Florida from the WH and I found about 50 boxes of documents that had classified material in them. Please come get them. My bad. "

So the government could destroy documents that embarrassed the FBI? LOL. Trump did not send in people with machine guns.

But nooooooooooooo. Donnie the Dumbass thought he was smarter than everybody else (like always). He stalled and stalled and stalled and finally sent less than half of what he had to NARA a year after they asked. Then, he had his merry band of legal fuckups actually sign an affidavit that said the Donnie the Dumbass had no more classified documents in his possession.

He did not stall. He complied with the subpoena. How many times do I have to say that? NARA allowed him to keep the documents in his possession and advised him to put a lock on the door. It was only when Trump was showing off the documents they freaked out.

What you don't realize is that the search warrant redacted the names of multiple civilian witnesses. That means more than one. Definitely more than two. And probably more than three. So multiple people knew that documents were not only being kept in a locked closet (that wasn't a secure facility) but that there were documents scattered in multiple places at Mar-a-Lago. Documents that Donnie the Dumbass was illegally in possession of.

The government knew what he had, fool. They left him be for months and then come up with machine guns. Quit with your legal bullshit. Why would they do that?

And, by the way, you seem to think that I am some sort of radical and that I want a one-party Democratic dictatorship. Nothing could be further from the truth. Other than voting for Ross Perot (once) and for Obama (once), I have voted Republican in every presidential election since 1972.

Sorry, I do not believe you. You are so deluded that you think that coming in with 30 agents with machine guns to an ex-president's house is appropriate. Sending in machine gun carrying agents to a political opponent is banana republic stuff! WTF is wrong with you that you think this is okay? Just because it is Trump? He is not just an ex-president but an American citizen.

Are you so dense that you cannot see that a biased FBI can be used against you? If Trump wins in 2024, he can pull the exact same stunt with every living Democratic president and political opponent. Some Democratic Senator takes something classified home and Trump can arrest him with the FBI? Do you think Trump is the only one who may have broken this law? Hiliary destroyed documents that were under subpoena. Trump had printed documents that were in a closet. Hiliary had a server on line open to the world. And you think she was the only one?

What separates me from you is that I can see that Donnie the Dumbass has done irreparable harm to this country.

What harm are you talking about? You are the fools that destroyed the country by going after him from the second he walked into office.

But I am not voting for Trump. I am voting against the FBI, for the Constitution, and against a Banana Republic. The average person is not law abiding but breaks like three laws every day.

Maybe one of these days you will get that when it comes to political opponents, you use the courts to get documents not machine gun carrying agents. Maybe if you think on that real hard, it will get through that dense fucking skull of yours, and it is not just me.

Matt Taibbi is very critical of Trump, and the Wall Street Journal has been as well. They both had the same reaction with this affidavit. This is it?

You dumb Dems think this show of force is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If the Dems indict him on this stupid charge, they just made him president in 2024, but you are so stupid you do not see why. SCOUTUS is not going to let you fools win 2024 in a court room and certainly not over this.