American Politics

[Chris P]

And now we know thanks to Mark Zuckerberg the Feds fucked around once again in an election process in 2020 by suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story at least on Facebook (and probably other social media companies) pushing the bullshit Russian disinformation line.

This is a huge story which is being predictably ignored by the wacko leftist fake news.

We already knew that Facebook and Twitter interfered in the election by blocking the story about Hunter's laptop and the vast evidence of crimes contained therein. Polls have shown that, had voters had access to the censored story, it would have decisively shifted the election to Trump (ie his victory would have been so enormous that even the huge amount of democrat mail-in ballot rigging would not have been enough to steal it). https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...as-election-i/.

That was bad enough. But it just got worse.

Zuckerberg went on Joe Rogan the other day and said that the FBI told him the laptop was "Russian minsinformation".

That was a flat-out lie, and the FBI knew it. It has now been quietly acknowledged even in the fake news media that the laptop is real, and the feds have known it for years.

The fact that the FBI actually flatly lied to tell social media companies to block true information which would have led to a Trump victory is absolutely scandalous. It also confirms what we have known for some time: that the FBI is the latter-day NKVD of the Washington swamp, and that the entire rotten edifice is beyond saving. It must be torn down and replaced. And it will be. The Tree of Liberty is dehydrated.

[Chris P]

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[Chris P]

Billionaire's are not classified as failures. On the other hand Biden is classified as a failure plus all the students that did not pay off their student loans are classified as failures. Pretty much every left wing liberal is a failure. Just wanted to clarify the facts.

Quite right. This attempt by the wacko left to claim that Trump wasn't a huge American success story before he ran for president is truly Orwellian.

He was an absolute media darling: watch his appearances on The View pre-2015. The same bitter washed-up old harridans who shriek about him all day used to gush over him like schoolgirls meeting Justin Bieber. It was probably the first time they'd experienced moisture for decades.

All the politicians wanted his support. Mitt Romney famously begged for his endorsement. He owned billions in real estate all over the world; he had a vastly successful primetime TV show; he had beautiful women throwing themselves at him everywhere he went; he was the king of New York (and as Sinatra said, if you can make it there you can make it anywhere).

You can say you disagree with his policies, think he's too brash, whatever, but you can't try and alter history.

The wacko left's attempt to do this is not the first time they and their communist ilk have tried it. From the Russian Bolsheviks to Pol Pot's Year Zero in Cambodia, the wacko left have shown time and again they want to erase history and destroy society to conform to their false and wrong beliefs. And every time, they kill huge numbers of people. Thank god for the Founding Fathers who expected this to happen sooner or later, and gave us the Constitution, most specifically the Second Amendment, with which to defend ourselves.

Shall Not Be Infringed. Keep your guns close.

[Chris P]

Actually, the way the warrant was written it would have covered Trump giving a written order for hamburgers, so you just stepped on your dick there.

More than that, this is an issue that should be settled in a court room not with machine guns. Can you come up with any reason NARA and the FBI needed the originals versus copies or Trump could not have kept copies of the declassified material outside of the Feds not wanting Trump to have those records? That is the issue.

Since all you dumb Dems have short term amnesia, let me remind you it was not Putin who cost Clinton the election in 2016 but FBI Chief James Comey. That moron decided not to prosecute Clinton and it was not his job to do so. What should have happened then was a group of prosecutors should have been selected in the most neutral way possible to decide if Clinton should have been charged. Instead this dumb shit Comey said, "No, gee, duh, I will do it. " and let Clinton off the hook. We know from the texts from Strzok and Page there was no way Comey was going to prosecute Clinton. In fact, Comey said while letting Clinton go that she broke the law and warned others not to.

So Comey looks like a partisan dope and to remedy the situation decides Clinton is going to win and says he is reopening his investigation into Clinton. Or maybe this is to get dirt on Clinton if she wins. Whatever the case, Trump wins, and the entire FBI leadership is shocked and then focuses their guns on Trump.

And now we know thanks to Mark Zuckerberg the Feds fucked around once again in an election process in 2020 by suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story at least on Facebook (and probably other social media companies) pushing the bullshit Russian disinformation line.

At the time, I was glad the FBI opened up its case against Clinton before the election, but in hindsight, it was clear to me that their doing so was bullshit, and I want the FBI a million miles away from deciding who is president but not you. Nah, you want the Dems to win and all the FBI has to do is posture that they are pro-Dem, and you are perfectly happy ceding the power of voting to them. You want a one party Democrat dictatorship.

At this point, I must take a moment to salute the indefatigable sacrifice of Elvis2008.

Probably fewer than one in a thousand readers make it anywhere near the end of any of PissVomitMonger's marathons of turgid, unreadable wordsludge likely copy-pasted from one of the unread wacko left fake news publications kept afloat by Soros money. Whenever I try, the sheer volume of falsity, entitlement and illogic soon overwhelms me, and I am forced to retreat, eyes bleeding, to the safety and calm of the Pattaya Forum.

Yet somehow, Elvis regularly rebuts in full these veritable oceans of fake news sewage, standing magnificently astride the parted sea of mendacity like Charlton Heston, leftist lies driven back to the festering dark corners of communism whence they came.

Not all heroes wear capes.

[Chris P]

Coincidence is not causality.

Said every cigarette manufacturer for decades.

And you don't believe in global warming! Wow. In this day and age, and in the presence of so much data suggesting that phenomenon is the real deal.

ROFL. 40 years ago they were trying to push "global cooling". Here's a documentary from 1978 narrated by Leonard Nimoy telling us that an Ice Age is around the corner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tAYXQPWdC0&t=389s.

Then they started on the "melting ice caps will make the sea levels rise and drown us all" bullcrap. Here's an article from 1988 claiming the Maldives would be underwater within 30 years. Spoiler: it's all still there! https://uncensored.co.nz/2021/01/18/...oad-of-bunkum/.

Then of course there was Al "Release my Chakra" Gore (https://www.businessinsider.com/two-...10-7?r=US&IR=T - funny how these allegations go away for democrats, like Tara Reade the woman Joe Biden sexually assaulted) and his clownworld fake movie, which gave us a "10 year countdown clock" to save the world.

Well, the clock expired in 2016 and whaddaya know, we're all still here! But Gore lies still made him very rich, so good for him.

Lastly, of course, the leader of the democrat party Sandy Cortes (known professionally as "AOC") told us that the world would end in 12 years because of "climate change". That was 3 and half years ago, so I guess we've got 8 and a half to live. Right?

Plenty more examples of the utter hokum, poppycock and balderdash of the wacko left and their climate cult can be found here: https://www.westernjournal.com/10-fa...g-predictions. Hell, even the cuckservatives at National Review are pointing it out: https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/...s-wrong-again/.

Finally, go ahead and look up Climategate at the University of East Anglia, in which data was falsified to support the Climate Change Agenda.

We all know why they are doing it: they want the goyim under control, unable to travel freely and experience life, just sitting in their pods and cubicles consuming fake media and insectburgers. No thanks.

[Spidy]

Just stop embarrassing yourself. And stop changing the subject also. ...

Classic brother Elvis...kkkk!

... And, by the way, you seem to think that I am some sort of radical and that I want a one-party Democratic dictatorship. Nothing could be further from the truth. Other than voting for Ross Perot (once) and for Obama (once), I have voted Republican in every presidential election since 1972. What separates me from you is that I can see that Donnie the Dumbass has done irreparable harm to this country while you think that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I would love to have a Republican party that actually tries to govern as opposed to simply voting NO on everything when they aren't in power.

Hella Yeah! If only Republicans, could go back to ACTUALLY governing, for the American people.

But sadly that time has passed with the QAnon, quackery and nuttery that has taken over.

[PVMonger]

I have finally seen enough. Donald Trump will be indicted by a federal grand jury.

You heard me right: I believe Trump will actually be indicted for a criminal offense. Even with all its redactions, the probable cause affidavit published today by the magistrate judge in Florida makes clear to me three essential points:

(1) Trump was in unauthorized possession of national defense information, namely properly marked classified documents.

(2) he was put on notice by the USA Government that he was not permitted to retain those documents at Mar-a-Lago.

(3) he continued to maintain possession of the documents (and allegedly undertook efforts to conceal them in different places throughout the property) up until the FBI finally executed a search warrant earlier this month.

That is the ball game, folks. Absent some unforeseen change in factual or legal circumstances, I believe there is little left for the Justice Department to do but decide whether to wait until after the midterms to formally seek the indictment from the grand jury.

The cruelest irony for Trump is that it never needed to be this way.

Put aside that in the chaos following his election loss Trump's team never undertook the normal procedure for properly sorting through and archiving his presidential records in coordination with the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). Put aside that properly marked classified records were shipped to Mar-a-Lago and sat there for months until he began turning stuff over to NARA in late 2021.

If he had fully cooperated at that point, and returned all of the records to NARA last year, this likely never would have become a criminal matter. DOJ would have declined to take any action, notwithstanding the existence of the classified records, and it would have been a "no harm, no foul" situation. Just another minor story in the Trump saga of incompetence.

But Trump just could not bring himself to play by the rules. He turned over 15 boxes last January but did not turn over all the records. Political operatives from conservative organizations started whispering into his ear that he had legal precedent on his side to refuse to turn over the classified records to NARA (he did not). His lawyers surprisingly wrote a rather condescending letter to DOJ in May 2022, effectively arguing that even if there were still classified records at Mar-a-Lago the FBI lacked the authority to take any criminal action against Trump given his former status as president. Then, in June 2022 after the FBI executed a subpoena to recover more records at Mar-a-Lago, two Trump lawyers wrote (and one signed) a sworn affidavit reassuring the government there were no more classified records at the property.

We now know that statement was not true. The FBI found multiple more classified records, including some with markings for Top Secret / Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS / SCI) during the search this month, and not just located in the storage room with the other boxes of records. They found records located in different parts of Mar-a-Lago.

Of course, there are various arguments for why a prosecution might not succeed in this situation.

There is the contention by Trump and his allies that he declassified the documents, whether through a "standing order" or more specific verbal action. No evidence has been produced corroborating that assertion, and there certainly is no indication that the classification markings themselves were ever revised to reflect the declassification. The Trump lawyers in May certainly did not provide any such evidence in their letter to DOJ, and they similarly provided no evidence of it in their "motion" filed earlier this week in district court in Florida seeking a Special Master.

And that is before we even consider if the classification status would matter for an Espionage Act prosecution, which only requires that the information relate to the national defense.

There is also the issue of selective political prosecution and supposed bad faith by the government in its decision to pursue the case. This is something that has been mentioned ad nauseum by Trump allies on cable news, and was briefly mentioned in the "motion" filed earlier this week in court. Lacking from those arguments is anything beyond rank speculation. That will not fly in court. Just ask Sidney Powell how well it works to try to litigate in court the way you argue on cable news. Hint: it does not go well.

All in all, this case should and in my opinion will result in an indictment. Sure, an indictment does not equal a conviction. Trump is still assumed innocent until proven guilty. There are unknown variables like whether the prosecution would occur in Florida or in the. See. We do not know what evidence Trump might have to substantiate his declassification claim. And we do not know what the courts would say about his various arguments.

Get the popcorn ready either way.

Source: https://news.yahoo.com/over-trump-in...220111093.html.

[PVMonger]

QUOTE=GDreams;2736337]You have to laugh at the indignation of all the wingers about student debt. When Trump gave $50 be to bail farmers out of his trade war fiasco there was not one amongst them criticising him. $50 be not congressional approval just handed out with the promise of vote for me.

You forgot to mention that China paid the $50 B with tariffs that Trump imposed on China. Pleas tell me that Biden will not raise taxes on everyone to pay for this stupidity of loan forgiveness.

Do you have any understanding at all about tariffs?

Tariffs are not paid by the sender. They are paid by the receiver. The receiver than jacks up the price of their product to cover their increased cost. Eventually, the consumer is who suffers. https://taxfoundation.org/who-really-pays-tariffs/and https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxv...nd-who-pays-it and https://www.investors.com/news/econo...t-is-a-tariff/ ad infinitum.

Please stop listening to FUX Snooze.

[PVMonger]

Actually, the way the warrant was written it would have covered Trump giving a written order for hamburgers, so you just stepped on your dick there.

More than that, this is an issue that should be settled in a court room not with machine guns. Can you come up with any reason NARA and the FBI needed the originals versus copies or Trump could not have kept copies of the declassified material outside of the Feds not wanting Trump to have those records? That is the issue.

Since all you dumb Dems have short term amnesia, let me remind you it was not Putin who cost Clinton the election in 2016 but FBI Chief James Comey. That moron decided not to prosecute Clinton and it was not his job to do so. What should have happened then was a group of prosecutors should have been selected in the most neutral way possible to decide if Clinton should have been charged. Instead this dumb shit Comey said, "No, gee, duh, I will do it. " and let Clinton off the hook. We know from the texts from Strzok and Page there was no way Comey was going to prosecute Clinton. In fact, Comey said while letting Clinton go that she broke the law and warned others not to..

And stop changing the subject also.

First, you obviously didn't read what I cited re: what is a "presidential record". I guaran-damn-tee you that the warrant was written the way it was because of the state of the original 15 boxes of documents that were returned to NARA. Had those boxes been orderly, etc. The warrant would have been written differently. But those boxes weren't that way. Stuff was intertwingled all over the place, with newspaper clippings, magazine articles, etc. Intermixed with confidential documents that were not in their proper folders.

Second, the Mango Mussolini isn't Jeanie ("I Dream of Jeanie") or Samantha ("Bewitched" he can't just cross his arms and nod his head or twitch his nose and magically declassify documents. Period. That decision needs to be memorialized. Which, by the way, means written down. And if it is written down, it should be in the possession of NARA. Period. So Donnie the Dumbass did not declassify documents (no matter what he said) and he was in illegally possession of them because they never should have left the White House.

Third, your assertion of "copies" is absurd. You obviously have no idea of the steps required to copy a classified document. https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML0600/ML060050527.pdf.

Fourth, regardless of whether the documents were originals or copies, Donnie the Dumbass was in illegally possession of them because they never should have left the White House. I realize that concept is absolutely foreign to you and that's what is at the crux of the issue here. The Orange Menace had absolutely no need to keep those documents. He was illegally in possession of them because they all should have been turned over to NARA. And not only that, but NARA started "negotiating" with the idiot soon after he left the WH. And it took them a year to get less than half of what they sought. Obstruction, anyone? Then, after seeing what a sorry state the records were in and finding classified information in those documents, NARA turned the matter over to the FBI. The FBI did their thing and here we are.

The amusing thing about all of this is that it all could have been avoided. Yep. All Donnie the Dumbass needed to do was to say something like (in February of 2020) "Hey guys, I was going through some boxes that were shipped to Florida from the WH and I found about 50 boxes of documents that had classified material in them. Please come get them. My bad. " All that the feds would have done was mutter about all the stuff should have been turned over to NARA but, in the end, taken the position of "No blood, no foul". But nooooooooooooo. Donnie the Dumbass thought he was smarter than everybody else (like always). He stalled and stalled and stalled and finally sent less than half of what he had to NARA a year after they asked. Then, he had his merry band of legal fuckups actually sign an affidavit that said the Donnie the Dumbass had no more classified documents in his possession. Sheesh, Donnie must've thought that the FBI was as dumb as his supporters.

What you don't realize is that the search warrant redacted the names of multiple civilian witnesses. That means more than one. Definitely more than two. And probably more than three. So multiple people knew that documents were not only being kept in a locked closet (that wasn't a secure facility) but that there were documents scattered in multiple places at Mar-a-Lago. Documents that Donnie the Dumbass was illegally in possession of..

The rest of your inane rant is simple whataboutism, something you rightwingnuts are good at.

And, by the way, you seem to think that I am some sort of radical and that I want a one-party Democratic dictatorship. Nothing could be further from the truth. Other than voting for Ross Perot (once) and for Obama (once), I have voted Republican in every presidential election since 1972. What separates me from you is that I can see that Donnie the Dumbass has done irreparable harm to this country while you think that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I would love to have a Republican party that actually tries to govern as opposed to simply voting NO on everything when they aren't in power.

[GDreams]

QUOTE=GDreams;2736337]You have to laugh at the indignation of all the wingers about student debt. When Trump gave $50 be to bail farmers out of his trade war fiasco there was not one amongst them criticising him. $50 be not congressional approval just handed out with the promise of vote for me.

You forgot to mention that China paid the $50 B with tariffs that Trump imposed on China. Pleas tell me that Biden will not raise taxes on everyone to pay for this stupidity of loan forgiveness.

Nope, China did not pay for it in Tariffs. The American people paid the tariffs and here you call yourself a businessman. The tariffs are tax revenue, they are not a slush fund to dole out to anyone. Trump had no authority to hand out tax dollars in a big farm givaway.

[Villainy]

QUOTE=Villainy;273641 Tom Brady has an incomparable record of success, Trump not at all. You can't equate excellence with mediocrity.

Universally recognized? As what? The King of Bankruptcy Court.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is a euphemism used to recast the word Reality. So call it 'fake news' or 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' but the reality is that Trump has been a consistant failure in his business efforts.

Using words like 'clear', 'obvious' and 'acknowledged' are a weak attempt used by someone who can't find factual sources to support their arguments.

Well, Hillary did release her medical records or at least her Doctor did and gave summaries of her conditions. So where was Donny with his tax returns? Hmmm who had something to hide??

Says the man who can't even figure out how to quote people in an opinion forum.

[EihTooms]

QUOTE=GDreams;2736337]You have to laugh at the indignation of all the wingers about student debt. When Trump gave $50 be to bail farmers out of his trade war fiasco there was not one amongst them criticising him. $50 be not congressional approval just handed out with the promise of vote for me.

You forgot to mention that China paid the $50 B with tariffs that Trump imposed on China. Pleas tell me that Biden will not raise taxes on everyone to pay for this stupidity of loan forgiveness.

Uh, American businesses and the American consumer paid those Trump Tariffs / Taxes / Higher, Inflationary Prices:

Who Really Pays the Tariffs? U.S. Firms and Consumers, Through Higher Prices
December 15, 2021

https://taxfoundation.org/who-really-pays-tariffs/

[MarquisdeSade1]

"I love the poorly educated" - Donald J. Trump, February 24,2016.

That alone is reason enough to move Heaven and Earth and pay any price to subsidize or provide 100% college education for every American.

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/21/t...the-stupidest/

[JustTK]

Fair assessment of Biden, and great pushback on student debt cancellation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPd2Nfuhzbo

I doubt anyone here will like both sides of thiis video. Haha.

[MarquisdeSade1]

QUOTE=Villainy;273641 Tom Brady has an incomparable record of success, Trump not at all. You can't equate excellence with mediocrity.

Universally recognized? As what? The King of Bankruptcy Court.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is a euphemism used to recast the word Reality. So call it 'fake news' or 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' but the reality is that Trump has been a consistant failure in his business efforts.

Using words like 'clear', 'obvious' and 'acknowledged' are a weak attempt used by someone who can't find factual sources to support their arguments.

Well, Hillary did release her medical records or at least her Doctor did and gave summaries of her conditions. So where was Donny with his tax returns? Hmmm who had something to hide??

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN2413CK

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judysto...h=6217b35c5023.

Vote for Joe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/20/y...-earnings.html