American Politics

[EihTooms]

Now that Biden's domestic and economic accomplishments are shaping up to be among the greatest in POTUS record history, pro Repub electioneering Bothsiders like Bill Maher love to harp on how Biden didn't "stick the landing" on the Trump-negotiated surrender and withdrawal from Afghanistan. That is despite the irrefutable fact that it was the smoothest, safest, least deadly withdrawal from an occupied country by the losing side of all time.

So now we have Trump's own National Security Advisor schooling Fake Newsmax's Fake News Anchor Eric Bolling and everyone else that the 13 American soldiers killed by a single suicide bomber the then controlling Taliban allowed to pass through was "Trump's deal", not Biden's!

Oh, along with the usual reminder from those who know him best and worked with so-called potus Trump what a blithering ignorant fool and moron his is.

Excellent 'Must See" video here:

https://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2022...l-newsmax-host

[Villainy]

You do not have to comply with a subpoena. They are voluntary. If Trump defies a subpoena, the proper process is go to a judge and have the subpoena enforced. A judge can say that Trump had to follow the subpoena. The problem with this is that whatever decision the judge makes, it can be overturned by the Appeals Court and after that the Supreme Court which I bet it would have been, and the FBI knew that.

Profoundly and utterly wrong. Failure to respond timely to a subpoena can result in civil and / or criminal contempt charges and fines and may compromise your ability to later contest parts of the subpoena. Voluntary?? Dear God, Elvis where do you get these ideas?

https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/g...-subpoena.html

[Canada]

Trump now is collecting tons of money in donations: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/tr...-lago-raid-son.

Then Trump told the DOJ to release all the documents.

"Not only will I not oppose the release of documents related to the unamerican, unwarranted, and unnecessary raid and break-in of my home in Palm Beach, Florida, Mar-a-Lago, I am going a step further by encouraging the immediate release of those documents."

The FBI was looking for 'classified documents relating to nuclear weapons,' among other things, during its Monday raid at former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence, WaPo reports, citing 'people familiar with the investigation.'

So hours after Merrick Garland says that DOJ only speaks through its filings in court, they go out and leak this story to the Washington Post.

Attorney General Merrick Garland revealed during a brief Thursday speech that he personally approved the search warrant at Mar-a-Lago, and that the DOJ has asked a federal court to unseal the document.

Material about nuclear weapons is especially sensitive and usually restricted to a small number of government officials, experts said. Publicizing details about USA Weapons could provide an intelligence road map to adversaries seeking to build ways of countering those systems. And other countries might view exposing their nuclear secrets as a threat, experts said.

One former Justice Department official, who in the past oversaw investigations of leaks of classified information, said the type of top-secret information described by the people familiar with the probe would probably cause authorities to try to move as quickly as possible to recover sensitive documents that could cause grave harm to USA Security. -Washington Post.

So. We're to believe that the FBI took several boxes from Trump in June, told him to put a bigger lock, and then two months later realized 'oh -- he might have nuclear secrets' - justifying the raid.

So we assume the narrative will now be that Trump leaked, or could have leaked, nuclear secrets to Putin. Which justified "authorities to try to move as quickly as possible to recover sensitive documents" in the name of national security.

Right.

End of link. So the thing the WaPo story leaves out is Trump can declassify anything he wants, so this case has no chance in hell of winning and like I said before, the search was totally unconstitutional.

If the FBI precedes with this case, they will have to release the documents, and there is no way in hell they will. This all adds up to not a criminal charge against Trump but a criminal case whereby the FBI seized documents embarrassing to themselves.

I still cannot believe that nuclear shit. That technology is nearly 80 years old. What a fucking joke.

All the illegal crap the democrats and DOJ come up with just make more Americans realize that they will continue to push their communist agenda.

[EihTooms]

It's at best grossly irresponsible carrying all that stuff off with him, but that's the sort of thing narcissists do. And it was funny when Uncle Tom Tim Scott kept going on about the search saying "this is unprecedented!" Well, Tim has a non-sequitur going as something that is unprecedented isn't necessarily unfair and unreasonable, ie. His conclusion doesn't flow from the evidence. The question as to whether an action is unprecedented speaks nothing to whether or not we should do it.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...s/Non-Sequitur

LOL. This is why Trump was the only Repub not demanding the warrant be released prior to Garland calling the Repubs' bluff by agreeing to support the release of it, why he wouldn't release his own copy himself even though he could have on day one and why he no doubt was praying everyone else on his 'side' would STFU about demanding Garland ok the release of it:

Watch the damning video here:

Former FBI Official Reads Warrant, Says 'This is Much More Serious'.
Chris Swecker, who was all over Fox TV and Fox Business questioning the search of Mar-A-Lago, is now backing off his original criticism.

https://crooksandliars.com/2022/08/f...s-warrant-says

Sean Duffy, filling in for Laura Ingraham last night, asked former FBI official Chris Swecker for his view on another guest's contention that Trump did not violate any laws by taking classified documents to Mar-A-Lardo.

"Sean, these are heavyweight statutes," he argued.

"The first statute, 793, is basically the espionage statute. It talks about things that he may have done with the documents that would result in injury to this country and he did these things willfully. That is serious enough that is a ten-year penalty if hes convicted.

"Now, the third statute, which is the obstruction-related statute, carries a 20-year penalty and it alleges that he somehow impeded an ongoing matter, which could have been the grand jury investigation of what we now know is an espionage case. So this is a much more serious case than just possession of classified documents.

He said it's clear the DOJ is alleging actions by Trump, which is much more serious.

Swecker appeared on Fox on the day of the search, and at that time, called it "absolutely wrong." Now that he's seen the warrant, he's walking it back.

Notice how he totally dismisses the utterly irrelevant "classified vs declassified" issue with regard to Trump's potential serious prison time criminal liability.

The "classified vs declassified" bit is quickly being revealed to be this year's "Mueller found no 'collusion'" street hustle style misdirection from Trump's consistent and ongoing anti-American transgressions.

[Paulie97]

It was mentioned in tonight's nightly news that Yes a President can declassifying documents BUT it has to be in documentation NOT verbal heresay.

The documented Presidential petition to declassify the documents seized never happened because he is blowing smoke up our asses.

It's at best grossly irresponsible carrying all that stuff off with him, but that's the sort of thing narcissists do. And it was funny when Uncle Tom Tim Scott kept going on about the search saying "this is unprecedented!" Well, Tim has a non-sequitur going as something that is unprecedented isn't necessarily unfair and unreasonable, ie. His conclusion doesn't flow from the evidence. The question as to whether an action is unprecedented speaks nothing to whether or not we should do it.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...s/Non-Sequitur

[EihTooms]

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! That is a good one. The vaccines work. Where did you come up with that one?

The vaccines do little to nothing with the current strain and Biden and Fauci are living proof they do not work. The both got sick with Covid despite being vaccinated x 4. There have been more deaths and cases of Covid after the vaccine was developed than before.

And here is an article today about the CDC lying about the safety of the vaccine.

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/cd...e-surveillance

The way vaccines "work" is that they boost your body's defense in fighting the virus' ability to make you seriously ill, require hospitalization or die. They do not create a magic bubble that prevents the virus from entering your body where you would very likely test positive for it.

Really. No magic bubble. You can look it up.

See, without having been vaccinated and while he was still insisting no one need bother inventing or taking a vaccine for his Pandemic Virus because "it is disappearing. It will go away without a vaccine", Trump got so sick and near death after testing positive for it he had to be Operation Dumbo Dropped by helicopter to a hospital for emergency treatment by every known remedy except bleach and light beams in order to keep him alive so he could launch into his plan to lead a violent, cop-killing mob to attempt an overthrow of American democracy.

By stark contrast, when Biden tested positive after being vaccinated he continued working in the White House on his historic Inflation Reduction Act, his massive jobs creation and American strength and independence producing Chips and Science Act and the legislation to save American military veterans' lives after they were exposed to toxic burn pits despite the Repubs' objections to all of the above.

Huge difference.

[Ptrbrgr]

You clearly don't understand science (or anything else, but I digress). Science must be provable and replicable. For instance, you can go anywhere in the world, in any conditions, at any time, and if you heat water to 100 degree celsius, it will boil. That is science.

You clearly don't understand science. If you heat water to 100 degree celsius in an environment above 1 standard atmospheric pressure (which is the case for about one quarter of the Netherlands for example) it will NOT boil. Every pressure cooker is built on that principle. That is science.

[CenTexCrash]

I don't think the Presidential Declassification Process amounts to some dude pointing to 25+ boxes of material and pronouncing, "I deem all that stuff 'Declassified'" just loud enough for the moving van guys to barely hear it.

It was mentioned in tonight's nightly news that Yes a President can declassifying documents BUT it has to be in documentation NOT verbal heresay.

The documented Presidential petition to declassify the documents seized never happened because he is blowing smoke up our asses.

[EihTooms]

Nope. He can do that exact thing.

You do not have to comply with a subpoena. They are voluntary. If Trump defies a subpoena, the proper process is go to a judge and have the subpoena enforced. A judge can say that Trump had to follow the subpoena. The problem with this is that whatever decision the judge makes, it can be overturned by the Appeals Court and after that the Supreme Court which I bet it would have been, and the FBI knew that.

Oh, then that means all the documents that Trump decided were declassified that way were marked "Declassified" so there is at least a chance that anyone involved in activities regarding secrets that suddenly are no longer secrets to any of America's enemies staying as Trump's special guest would have some clue that their Deep Cover just got blown on moving day and they might be, you know, killed.

BTW, the warrant was for material that would be a crime to remove even if it had been properly declassified by an intelligent POTUS not bent on destroying America:

FBI search warrant reveals agents seized top-secret documents in raid of Trump's home.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/12/docu...ndroidappshare

The warrant directed agents to seize all physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of three laws related to handling of government documents.

The warrant indicates that statutes relating to espionage and obstruction of justice are the foundation for the search. Convictions under these statutes can bring fines or prison sentences.

One of the statutes, which relates to removing or destroying government records, includes a punishment of being disqualified from holding any office under the United States, according to the text of the law.

None of the three statutes Title 18 of the United States Code, Sections 793, 1519 and 2071 hinge on whether the documents in question were classified.

[Paulie97]

I still cannot believe that nuclear shit. That technology is nearly 80 years old. What a fucking joke.

You haven't any clue what is in the documents other than that some are marked within the highest levels of classification. And if any content relates to nuclear technology, you have no clue as to the age or relevance of it. As usual all we get from you is bluster and fallacies, and in this case, the assumption of "facts" not entered into evidence to support your fake conclusion. In a word you are consistently dishonest, which should come as no surprise to anyone here, thus the joke is you as well as your contrived conclusion.

https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/reso...-Question.html

[Elvis 2008]

I don't think the Presidential Declassification Process amounts to some dude pointing to 25+ boxes of material and pronouncing, "I deem all that stuff 'Declassified'" just loud enough for the moving van guys to barely hear it.

Nope. He can do that exact thing.

If Trump had declassified them by normal means, why didn't he just say so and prove it months ago when he defied the subpoena to return them to their rightful owner?

You do not have to comply with a subpoena. They are voluntary. If Trump defies a subpoena, the proper process is go to a judge and have the subpoena enforced. A judge can say that Trump had to follow the subpoena. The problem with this is that whatever decision the judge makes, it can be overturned by the Appeals Court and after that the Supreme Court which I bet it would have been, and the FBI knew that.

[Spidy]

If Traitor Trump thinks the legal entry and confiscation of items that were subpoena'd but never returned to its rightful owners (We, The People) was not done properly, there is a place for him to make a case for that; under oath in a court of law.

Making a case for it NOT under oath on the steps outside a courtroom, on FUX News, by Tweet or shouting on a street corner by him or any of his hired or free spokesmen is for cowards and liars.

But naturally, GOP / QOP / Repubs, believe the rule of law doesn't apply to them.

[Elvis 2008]

Um. Elvis didn't include a link for it but the reason the CDC can now relax its recommendations is because vaccines work and, thanks to Joe Biden making the vaccines free and easily available, a high percentage of Americans have gotten at least one shot.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! That is a good one. The vaccines work. Where did you come up with that one?

The vaccines do little to nothing with the current strain and Biden and Fauci are living proof they do not work. The both got sick with Covid despite being vaccinated x 4. There have been more deaths and cases of Covid after the vaccine was developed than before.

And here is an article today about the CDC lying about the safety of the vaccine.

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/cd...e-surveillance

[Elvis 2008]

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[Villainy]

You clearly don't understand science (or anything else, but I digress). Science must be provable and replicable. For instance, you can go anywhere in the world, in any conditions, at any time, and if you heat water to 100 degree celsius, it will boil. That is science.

Seriously? You're lecturing about science and you just made a childish mistake that most junior-high science students would avoid. Water boils at different temperatures depending on the atmospheric pressure.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ns-arent-sure/