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01-03-24 10:32 #13906
Posts: 1955Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
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01-03-24 10:25 #13905
Posts: 1955Oh the irony!
Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
He never tried to right the ship.
He tried to hijack the ship, but fortunately failed.
Never again!
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01-03-24 09:59 #13904
Posts: 5447For the record
No, there is no evidence that Joe Biden "committed the same crime" as Trump committed or in fact any crime at all regarding classified documents or anything else.
In stark contrast to the abundance of evidence and outright admission by Trump himself that he committed such a crime:
U.S.C. 1924 - UNAUTHORIZED REMOVAL AND RETENTION OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS OR MATERIAL
https://www.thefederalcriminalattorn...fied-documents#text=Therefore%2 see%20 Title%2018%20 USA see. ,unauthorized%20 removal%20 of%20 classified%20 documents.
In the United States, protecting classified information is paramount to safeguarding national security. Thus, when government officers, employees, or contractors mishandle classified materials entrusted to them, it risks significant harm to the United States and its interests.
Therefore, Title 18 U.S.C. 1924 makes it a federal crime to knowingly remove classified documents or materials from their designated locations without authorization or retain them in an unauthorized area.
KNOWINGLY
knowingly
/ˈnōiNGlē/
adverb
1.
in a way that suggests one has secret knowledge or awareness.
"Amy looked at me knowingly"
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deliberately
intentionally
consciously
wittingly
with full knowledge
in full awareness
with one's eyes open
on purpose
by design
calculatedly
premeditatedly
studiedly
willfully
purposefully
willingly
Opposite:
accidentally
unawares
2.
in full awareness or consciousness; deliberately.
"I can honestly say I've never knowingly misled anyone"RETAIN
retain
/rəˈtān/
verb
1.
continue to have (something); keep possession of.
"built in 1830, the house retains many of its original features"
Similar:
keep
keep possession of
keep hold of
hold onto
hold fast to
keep back
hang onto
cling to
cleave to
maintain
continue
preserve
reserve
conserve
perpetuate
cherish
Opposite:
give up
lose
abolish
discontinue
alter
2.
absorb and continue to hold (a substance).
"limestone is known to retain water"
Joe Biden committed no crime in that regard. Therefore, no subpoena and no Federal Agent intervention were required.
See how that works?
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01-03-24 05:40 #13903
Posts: 5447Uh
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
Because I read, listen to and watch real news coverage and witness testimony of such things.
You should try it sometimes. Spoiler alert: Joe Biden won the 2020 election fair and square and the Impeachment of President Hunter Biden by ChristoFacist Mike is only a distraction from his Getting Smaller and Smaller All The Time Repub Pink Tinkle House finally stop sitting on their butts Doing Nothing while they could be earning their pay for a nice change of pace working on Comprehensive Immigration Reform after Trump left that system in total tatters.
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01-03-24 02:11 #13902
Posts: 2579Ugly right-wing Repub ideology? Stop projecting and read Bret
"State's Rights. Baby!" and "State Laws. Baby! The all but too familiar and often heard battle cry of the Repubs and the conservative SCOTUS that love to ad nauseam, drone on and on and on, about "State Rights". That is of course, until it no longer suits their right-wing agenda.
I for one applaud Colorado and Maine for standing up and invoking "State's Rights! W / are to their state's election voting rights, to have Trump removed / disqualified from the ballot, when said candidate does not meet or violets constitutional, legal and justified grounds, surrounding state election voting law requirements for taking office.
What's hilarious and so blatantly hypocritical, is that all of a sudden, Repubs are now frowning upon the inherent rights for the states to run their own elections, the way they see fit, under the law and constitution. Much like how they just advocated for states rights, w / are to ABORTION in Dobbs' overturning of Roe v. Wade.
Ugh! What now?
Not sure what you were getting at in several of the last paragraphs, but it sure did make for lots of bluster, pomp and circumstance. And naturally true to form, the ugly right-wing Repub ideology, rears its grotesque head, with the dogwhistles and the usually subtle hints of thuggery and violence.
I will say this much, that SCOTUS overturning "State's Rights" to run their own elections as they see fit, will prove very interesting, as the (right-wing) SCOTUS will once again be seen as hypocrites and pandering to "States Rights" ONLY when it suits their right-wing majority agenda and not anything having to do with the actual Constitutional Laws.
However, IMHO, what will be even more interesting, is if SCOTUS upholds "States Rights", to strike Trump from the ballot, which of course is the "right thing to do", under constitutional law. But will it open a "Pandora's box"? Or a "slippery slope" of voting disqualifications across states? Rightly so for Trump, but perhaps even more so in retaliation, unfairly and unjustly for Biden?
Again, I wouldn't worry to much Elvis 2008, as the right-wing conservative SCOTUS, are very comfortable being hypocrites, and as such will be very hypocritical and go against "States Rights" no doubt, and overturn the Colorado and Maine's State Courts ruling.
It will be just as interesting to watch Judge Gorsuch, contort himself into a hypocrite pretzel, as the Colorado court used Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch's ruling, to justify disqualifying Trump.
"As then-Judge Gorsuch recognized in Hassan, it is 'a state's legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process' that 'permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office, the state opinion reads.
https://www.businessinsider.com/neil...t-2023-12?op=1
Well now. Won't it be interesting to see if Judge Gorsuch, is a two-face liar and a hypocrite, or will he abide by HIS OWN ruling, to uphold "States Rights".
BTW, (the bought and paid for) Judge Clarence Thomas, should also recuse himself from the decision (if he had an once of integrity), due to the fact his beast of a wife, was also engaged in the J6 insurrection. ".
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/o...signation.html
BTW what do you know about the law besides what you regurgitate from MSNBC?
You jail house lawyers probably know even less than that NON atty in Maine trying to play atty for the news cameras LMAO.
Due to the fact his beast of a wife? That sounds blatantly racist!!
If he was a Democrat and I called her a beast I'm guessing many here would flip the fuck out.
Because it seems you are stating a black man could only get a white wife if she is a nasty beast, is that what you are positing?
you racists are out to destroy Christian White America, one illegal alien at a time
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/what-great-replacement-theory-musk-exposes-immense-growing-size-illegal-immigration
everything you MFers say and do is motivated by your racism towards hetero white Christians
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01-02-24 19:39 #13901
Posts: 3223Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
And you are such a narcissist you think it could not happen to you. Yes, Mr. Rule of Law, Trump can offer up a subpoena for millions of documents, some of which you do not have, and when you do not produce them, order a SWAT team in to go raid your residence. You opened up that Pandora's box. No federal judge is going to protect you after this fiasco.
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
Thing that gets me is the Democrats pull their douche shit first, and Republicans hit back 10 X harder. What gets me with you and Tooms Spidy is you are literally cheering on disregarding the vote / will of the people and literally cheering on the weaponization of the legal system. You are cheering on verdicts without trials, criminal prosecutions for political purposes, and votes not counting. You are literally tearing up Democracy because you want one party rule. There is no arguing with you two. There is just defeating you.
Now that we know beyond a doubt that is what you Dems really want, one party rule by any means possible, we are going to do all we can to make sure the one party in power is ours.
I keep waiting for one of you to say, "Hey, this is too much", but now I see there is nothing you would not do to win.
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01-02-24 14:06 #13900
Posts: 1110"State's RIGHTS!...Baby!"
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
I for one applaud Colorado and Maine for standing up and invoking "State's Rights!", w/r to their state's election voting rights, to have Trump removed/disqualified from the ballot, when said candidate does not meet or violets constitutional, legal and justified grounds, surrounding state election voting law requirements for taking office.
What's hilarious and so blatantly hypocritical, is that all of a sudden, Repubs are now frowning upon the inherent rights for the states to run their own elections, the way they see fit, under the law and constitution. Much like how they just advocated for states rights, w/r to ABORTION in Dobbs' overturning of Roe v. Wade.
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
Not sure what you were getting at in several of the last paragraphs, but it sure did make for lots of bluster, pomp and circumstance. And naturally true to form, the ugly right-wing Repub ideology, rears its grotesque head, with the dogwhistles and the usually subtle hints of thuggery and violence.
I will say this much, that SCOTUS overturning "State's Rights" to run their own elections as they see fit, will prove very interesting, as the (right-wing) SCOTUS will once again be seen as hypocrites and pandering to "States Rights" ONLY when it suits their right-wing majority agenda and not anything having to do with the actual Constitutional Laws.
However, IMHO, what will be even more interesting, is if SCOTUS upholds "States Rights", to strike Trump from the ballot, which of course is the "right thing to do", under constitutional law. But will it open a "Pandora's box"? or a "slippery slope" of voting disqualifications across states? Rightly so for Trump, but perhaps even more so in retaliation, unfairly and unjustly for Biden?
Again, I wouldn't worry to much Elvis 2008, as the right-wing conservative SCOTUS, are very comfortable being hypocrites, and as such will be very hypocritical and go against "States Rights" no doubt, and overturn the Colorado and Maine's State Courts ruling.
It will be just as interesting to watch Judge Gorsuch, contort himself into a hypocrite pretzel, as the Colorado court used Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch's ruling, to justify disqualifying Trump.
- "As then-Judge Gorsuch recognized in Hassan, it is 'a state's legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process' that 'permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office,'" the state opinion reads.
https://www.businessinsider.com/neil...t-2023-12?op=1
Well now...won't it be interesting to see if Judge Gorsuch, is a two-face liar and a hypocrite, or will he abide by HIS OWN ruling, to uphold "States Rights".
BTW, (the bought and paid for) Judge Clarence Thomas, should also recuse himself from the decision (if he had an once of integrity), due to the fact his beast of a wife, was also engaged in the J6 insurrection.
- "As then-Judge Gorsuch recognized in Hassan, it is 'a state's legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process' that 'permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office,'" the state opinion reads.
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01-02-24 14:00 #13899
Posts: 6420Precedent
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
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01-02-24 13:40 #13898
Posts: 111014th Amendment precedence...
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
There is precedence for an official removed from office, using the 14th Amendment. Whereby the official was found to have encouraged, incited and/or engaged in unlawful actions to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power.
- ABC NEWS: Official removed from office under 14th Amendment...
"Former Otero County, New Mexico, Commissioner Couy Griffin was disqualified almost exactly a year ago after Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics (CREW) sued to eject him from his role under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=103009491
14th Amendment: New Mexico official first politician removed over January 6 attack ...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tician-removed
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
- The New York Times: These Are the People Who Died in Connection With the Capitol Riot.
"A bipartisan Senate report found that at least seven people had lost their lives in connection with the Jan. 6 attack...."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/u...ol-deaths.html
Elvis 2008, are you still that gullible, believing the lies, FOXY Muse and Newsmax are feeding ya?
- ABC NEWS: Official removed from office under 14th Amendment...
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01-02-24 03:49 #13897
Posts: 5447Two Peas in a Pod
Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
And the far from subtle difference between simply saying "We was ROBBED" after losing an election vs actively taking measures to incite a violent, cop-killing Insurrectionist mob to storm the Capitol to overturn a repeatedly proven free and fair election while the leader of that mob sat on his butt for over 3 hours doing and saying nothing to stop the attack in total violation of his sworn under oath Constitutional duties as a supposed potus re enforcing the laws of the country?
LOL. Your total and, likely, willful ignorance on just those two blatantly obvious differences should skyrocket you right to the top of Trump's or any Repub's list of Repub Party-"qualified" picks for Secretary of State, Attorney General or perhaps even Vice President should the country really go so raving lunatic crazy to ever again put a Repub in a position to make picks for anything important, much less raving, frothing at the mouth lunatic crazy enough for it to be Donald Trump.
And that, folks, is why Repub Economic and National Security Policy and Stewardship cannot help but produce the historic crap results it has produced virtually exclusively and NONE of the historic positive results for almost 100 years. LOL.
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01-01-24 18:34 #13896
Posts: 5447Who writes those Breitbatshit headlines? Trump? LOL
Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
Joe Biden Pressured Merrick Garland to Prosecute Donald Trump, Resurfaced NYT Report Says
"And while the president has never communicated his frustrations directly to Mr. Garland"
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01-01-24 14:17 #13895
Posts: 2579Do they know its coming?
"Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Ever heard of an impeachment trial? If Trump were successfully impeached, he could not run again. You douches just did not like that result and now ignore it and take whatever laws you can and say Trump is a criminal.
Hell, even CNN is saying Trump's criminal trials are political: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZewAFmsO0sc.
And then you have MDS link, Maine Secretary of State claims that the reason Trump needed to be legally removed from the ballot was because "If his name was on the ballot, there's a good chance people would have voted for him. ".
How many people voted for Trump? Do not give me this whataboutism bullshit. You are such a narcissist that you imagine everyone is on your side. You are like John Clayton who assumes anyone against dumping billions into the Ukraine stalemate is a Russian bot or Putin lover.
So we know 2016 was attempted to be rigged. We know that once Trump was elected in 2016, FBI douche Peter Strzok and his FBI lawyer lover tried to get Trump booted from office. We know that Dems are doing everything possible to rig 2024 but 2020 was the most pristine in history? Yeah right.
So if the "Republican" Supreme Court rules for Trump, you are already making excuses. You have already shown that rule of law only means something when Democrats say it is.
Where do you get off calling the Supreme Court traitorous? That literally is insurrection talk. You Dems have already been insurrectionists by threatening Supreme Court justices after they made the abortion ruling.
I want to thank you Tooms for showing me how demented the average Democratic douche is. You literally are advocating for one party rule and against Democracy, and that is why sadly it is going to take violence to keep guys like you in check.
I am done trying to convince you of anything. Biden has classified documents illegally in his possession, his lawyer gets them. With Trump, a SWAT team gets them at gunpoint. Oh yeah, you have all these bullshit reasons as to why it is different. I am done listening to your excuses. Until you have another person armed with a machine gun in your face, you will not get it. You are beyond hope. You think the only rational POV is yours. ".
Or do they know its coming because they are going to provoke it?
Zuckerturd will be Enemy #1 he better have a very large private army to go with that bunker.
And extra room for the likes of Mike Bloomturd!!
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ma...31/id/1147767/
He wants to protect his CCP commie wife and kids because the Bay area won't be safe enough for any of them.
So a secluded island in the middle of the Pacific half way to CCPland is his safest bet.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/...ity-standards/
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01-01-24 12:55 #13894
Posts: 2579USA used to respect the rule of law
Scumbag Joe has destroyed that, for 3 hellish years now.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...t-report-says/
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1...D&refsrc=email
Scumbag Joe and the whole Biden crime family needs to be arrested with SWAT teams on Jan 20.2025 at 1201 pm.
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01-01-24 08:58 #13893
Posts: 2579Well you would be wrong AGAIN, go figure
"Weren't those the Russian hos where you said the good looking ones would not agree to Real Sex / BBBJ+CIP no matter how poor their country was?
Lucky you, they might be getting free condoms from Biden any minute now. LOL. ".
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gigizam...h=5d7fb3921147
I didn't see any poverty, and my last visit I was there for a month and traveled all over the city fucking whoors.
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01-01-24 08:43 #13892
Posts: 2579Isn't everyone a fan of mongering here?
"Really? Well, I consider myself well-traveled and I'd be very interested in your list of top 20 that doesn't include the US. Only please, let's be grownups and count some metrics other than mongering like, I don't know, economic security, infrastructure, the rule of law -- silly stuff like this. ".
"let's be grownups and count some metrics other than mongering".
I would be willing to consider living in another country, although I can't imagine there is another better than the USA.
Ill list a few reasons to back that up.
-many of the best physicians in the world by lightyears.
-the best country in the world to educate your children (as long as you can afford pvt schools LOL).
-the best food in the world, evinced by the obesity issues LOL.
-depending on your address safe drinking water, and safe from criminals.
-great place to make money.
-pre Biden, free speech rights are very important to me.
I'm sure I can go on and on all night.
"let's be grownups and count some metrics other than mongering".
But if I were to ever consider why would I move to another country that didn't have great mongering.
That would be very high on my list of must haves, maybe even #1.
I would never move to another country that didn't have great mongering, what would be the fucking point?
I don't even want to visit a place that doesn't have great mongering why the fuck would I want to move to another country like that.
The USA is bad enough in that regard.