American Politics

[Elvis 2008]

No, there is no evidence that Joe Biden "committed the same crime" as Trump committed or in fact any crime at all regarding classified documents or anything else. See how that works?

Nope, they both had classified documents where they were not supposed to be. That is the crime. You just bought Biden's bullshit that he didn't knowingly take them when you do not know if he did.

What you are so dumb about though is the average person breaks three laws a day. It is arrogant beyond belief then for you to say one man is innocent and another is guilty without a trial. Prosecutors make decisions about what laws to enforce and they should be apolitical, and we are seeing clearly they are not.

Trump, Hiliary, Mike Pence, and Joe Biden all had classified documents in locations that were not secure, and Trump had the ability to declassify all that he wanted to unlike the other three. Still, that is not the problem.

The issue is not a legal one but a customary one. It is customary to understand that an ex-president has more classified information in his head than ever could be put on paper, and you treat him differently because of that. You should tread even more lightly when he is a likely political opponent. Legally, you can send in a SWAT team to get documents. Hell, a prosecutor could have asked a judge to approve a warrant doing that with any of the pols, and these fucking judges rarely say no especially if you pick the right one. The issue is not legal but the optics. This is more banana republic shit, and you are cheering it on.

You seem to forget the photo of Elian Gonzalez and some federal thug pointing a machine gun at the head of a relative of Elian Gonzalez. Without that photo, Gore probably wins in 2000.

And you guys and your gun control. Yeesh.

[Goatscrot]

You put forth some great points and I agree 100% percent, with everything said.

Yes, indeed, for the past several years during the "Trump era" (which I hope I've seen the last of in 2024), we've seen and heard the word "unprecedented", become part of our lexicon, due large in part to the shenanigans and criminal behavior of the 2x impeached, 4x indicted, 91 criminal felony counts of the 45th.

As for the right-wing conservative media, again your assessment is bang on! I've just said as much in a recent post and have no doubt they'll go back to being lied to in their right-wing "echo-chambers", in no time at all.

I'll tell you what though, my biggest take-away from the "Trump era", thus far (and probably for the foreseeable future), is that:

• One, however small the Republican right-wing "political grift" was in the past, before the "Trump era"...Trump has blown it up and has placed it on steroids;
  
  AND

• Two, Trump has set the bar so low, for becoming leader of the Republican party, that it's akin to "blood in the water", and attracted the other wanna be dictators, fascist authoritarians, low-life "sharks", narcissists, self-aggrandizing, self-absorbed, right-wing nutjobs, devoid of any REAL sense of civic duty to the American people;
  
  AND

• Three, Trump has paved the way, for every fascist, right-wing grifter, charlatan, two-bit hustler, "no nothing", "know nothing", fraudster, "snake-oil salesman" and wanna be politician-vampire-squid, to take office and suck the life from, the rule of law, the constitution and democracy, all selfishly in pursuant of the grift, for the almighty dollar.

AND there it is, the nihilist cult, that is the inevitable future of the QAnon/MAGA/Repub Party, in a nutshell. (Note: Yes, Repub "caucus" is a play/pun on the word "carcass")

And unfortunately another part of his legacy will be that we will never see an uncontested election again. Every other defeated president left the office with grace and dignity. Donald is still acting like the narcissistic sociopath he is. He really has made it all about him and not about the country.

[Spidy]

Even if there was no precedent, there's no "precedent" for Donald Trump either. We've never had a president who did what he did. It' all new and we're kind of muddling our way through this. But the shoe fits Trump, so now he has to wear it! And as far as all of the lying in the conservative media, hell FOX "News" (rolling eyes) finally had to own up to its lying to the tune of $800 million dollars, and their own internal communications prove they were lying about stuff and knew they were lying. But here's the kicker. Their loyal audience knows they lie but they don't care so long as the "conservative" media tells them what they want to hear (I put conservative in quotes because these "outfits" do conservatism a great injustice). They (the conservative audience) don't want to know the truth (they can't handle it), and "news outlets" like FOX were eager to serve up the lies to feed their own bottom lines. That is until they got slapped with an $800 million dollar settlement. What's that bottom line look like now? Not as bad as Rudy's LMAO! Another liar! Their all getting theirs. And good! The sweetest will be when Trump finally goes down. He will. Be patient.

You put forth some great points and I agree 100% percent, with everything said.

Yes, indeed, for the past several years during the "Trump era" (which I hope I've seen the last of in 2024), we've seen and heard the word "unprecedented", become part of our lexicon, due large in part to the shenanigans and criminal behavior of the 2x impeached, 4x indicted, 91 criminal felony counts of the 45th.

As for the right-wing conservative media, again your assessment is bang on! I've just said as much in a recent post and have no doubt they'll go back to being lied to in their right-wing "echo-chambers", in no time at all.

I'll tell you what though, my biggest take-away from the "Trump era", thus far (and probably for the foreseeable future), is that:

• One, however small the Republican right-wing "political grift" was in the past, before the "Trump era"...Trump has blown it up and has placed it on steroids;
  
  AND

• Two, Trump has set the bar so low, for becoming leader of the Republican party, that it's akin to "blood in the water", and attracted the other wanna be dictators, fascist authoritarians, low-life "sharks", narcissists, self-aggrandizing, self-absorbed, right-wing nutjobs, devoid of any REAL sense of civic duty to the American people;
  
  AND

• Three, Trump has paved the way, for every fascist, right-wing grifter, charlatan, two-bit hustler, "no nothing", "know nothing", fraudster, "snake-oil salesman" and wanna be politician-vampire-squid, to take office and suck the life from, the rule of law, the constitution and democracy, all selfishly in pursuant of the grift, for the almighty dollar.

AND there it is, the nihilist cult, that is the inevitable future of the QAnon/MAGA/Repub Party, in a nutshell. (Note: Yes, Repub "caucus" is a play/pun on the word "carcass")

[Spidy]

Ugly right-wing Repub ideology? Stop projecting and read Bret

No you'd be flat out WRONG!

Projecting (and hypocrisy) is something the you and your fellow Republican cohorts do very well. In fact, PROJECTING (and hypocrisy) is something the Repubs have cornered the market on and have about a 90% share, when is comes to projecting (and hypocrisy).

Take the recent case of the "hypocrite/projecting" Florida Republican Zielgers, who knowingly were engaging in LGBTQ sex, threesomes and hell-knows, what other sexual depravity they were being hypocrites about, behind closed-doors? Meanwhile in public, they hypocritically called for LGBTQ book bans and blatantly, harmfully and willfully trampled, crushed and devastated the lives of LGBTQ students.

BTW what do you know about the law besides what you regurgitate from MSNBC?

Perhaps that question is best answered, if you, MDS1, ask the very same question, while looking in the mirror?

Just remember to substitute "MSNBC" for any one of the number of the right-wing media frauds that you love so much. You know? The ones that lie to you, spread misinformation, ask you to send them money, have $787 million dollar defamation lawsuit for lying to Americans and yet another 30 or more lawsuits, for sexual harassment, wrongful termination, libel, slander and other defamation lawsuits. Yeah, those bogus right-wing media outlets!

You jail house lawyers probably know even less than that NON atty in Maine trying to play atty for the news cameras LMAO.

Due to the fact his beast of a wife? That sounds blatantly racist!!

If he was a Democrat and I called her a beast I'm guessing many here would flip the fuck out.

Because it seems you are stating a black man could only get a white wife if she is a nasty beast, is that what you are positing?

you racists are out to destroy Christian White America, one illegal alien at a time

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/what-great-replacement-theory-musk-exposes-immense-growing-size-illegal-immigration

everything you MFers say and do is motivated by your racism towards hetero white Christians

Well, as for the rest of your post...that's just more 90% Republican PROJECTING, again!

Please specify where I mentioned race/color in my post? That is your "hang-up", NOT mine!

No need to "pull the race card" just yet (save that trick for another day), as race was neither explicitly nor implicitly implied, in my post.

As for Ginni Thomas, I said, "beast of a wife", simultaneously referring to her figuratively and literally, w/r to her political and dietary greed.

But it is funny though, as you on the other hand, refer to her as "...a nasty beast..." Please tell me, how exactly is it, you think Ginni Thomas, is "a nasty beast"?

FYI, today's usage of the word, "beast", is more often than not, seen and used positively.

• For example:
  -Four straight in-depth and poignant posts, that address and rebut MAGA Repub nonsense, has put me in "beast mode".
  -Ginni Thomas is a beast, when it comes to her position on her J6 insurrection involvement.

[Spidy]

Thing that gets me is the Democrats pull their douche shit first, and Republicans hit back 10 X harder.

Really! You mean, kinda like when the famous Repub "Red Wave" turned into the infamous "Pink Trickle"? (...kkkk!)

What gets me with you and Tooms Spidy is you are literally cheering on disregarding the vote / will of the people and literally cheering on the weaponization of the legal system.

Really? Mind telling me, what Repubs know about the "vote/will of the people", when your so called wanna be (2x impeached, 4x indicted, 91 criminal felony counts) fascist dictator/Repub leader Trump, is in the very predicament he's in, because he's failed to heed " the voting will of the people", save some 7 million voters for Biden to the strong.

You do realize, Trump's actions and denial of the election, makes the hypocrisy of your statement as dumfoundedly astonishing, as it is astoundingly bafflling!

You are cheering on verdicts without trials, criminal prosecutions for political purposes, and votes not counting. You are literally tearing up Democracy because you want one party rule. There is no arguing with you two. There is just defeating you.

Now that we know beyond a doubt that is what you Dems really want, one party rule by any means possible, we are going to do all we can to make sure the one party in power is ours.

I keep waiting for one of you to say, "Hey, this is too much", but now I see there is nothing you would not do to win.

First of all, a criminal indictment, prosecution or verdict, is NOT REQUIRED for disqualification under Section #3 of the 14th Amendment.

Second, the lower court of Colorado found enough evidence from Jan 6th Hearings (you'd know this if FOXY Muse, had televised the J6 Hearings) and agreed that Trump did engage in insurrection.

Third, although this judge kept him on the ballot, the higher Colorado Supreme Court, disqualified him and rightly so, IMHO.

A Colorado judge finds Trump 'engaged in insurrection,' but keeps him on the ballot.
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/18/12139...-him-on-ballot

Now let's see what the "bought-and-paid-for" right-wing conservative SCOTUS do?

Finally, Dems have always (and painfully so, to my chagrin), taken the slow, measured, just and lawful steps, to tie together as much, facts, evidence and findings, to form a solid "air tight" case to elicit criminal charges if that's where the evidence takes them. Unlike the current "clown show", Republican lead House Judiciary Committee.

It has always been about seeking Justice for the Dems and sadly it has always been about seeking Revenge for the Repubs.

[Spidy]

I could not be more happy to be more wrong, Spidy.

Happy to accommodate! But you being WRONG is nothing new. I imagine it fits like an "old hat" for you!

Now that you douches are saying it is legal to kick people out of office for just the appearance of being in an insurrection, we can kick out of office anyone associated with the 2020 steal, the future 2024 steal, and anyone involved in the BLM riots or with BLM period. We do not need a trial. We just need the videotape and we can start ignoring the will of the people and election results too.

BLM? (...Ugh?) I doubt very much the majority of BLM protestors have ever taken the oath of office before. So nice try, Elvis 2008! (...kkkk!)

BLM...kkkk! Too funny! But, okay I'll play along.

My Top 10 R.E.A.L. people or group of people to disqualify from office, having previous taken the oath office or service, according to the Sec #3 of the 14th Amendment. And because it's so obvious they knowingly engaged or took part in the J6 insurrection/coup.

• 1. Trump
  2. 20% of The Republican House (Jim Jordan, Kevin McCarthy, Matt Gaetz, MTG, Lauren Boebert, Scott Perry, Ralph Norman, Andy Biggs...etc)
  3. 10% of The Republican Senate (Josh Hawley, Lindsey Graham, Amanda Chase...etc
  4. Trump Lawyers (Rudolph "Rudy" Giuliani, John Eastman, Jeffery Clark, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis)
  5. Trump Advisors (Mark Meadows, Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro, Kenneth Chesebro)
  6. Trump Staffers (Christopher Charles Miller, Johnny McEntee, Steven Miller)
  7. RNC Chairs (Ronna McDaniel and other State RNC Chairs and members...etc)
  8. Republican fake/fraudster state electors (AZ, MS, NM, PA and GA)
  9. Oath Keepers(Elmar Stewart Rhodes III, What an oxymoron name that is, having sacked the Capital....kkkk!)
  10. The Proud Boys (Enrique Tarrio, Joe Biggs, Ethan Nordean, Zachary Reh ...etc)

Other notables, but may not have previously taken the oath of office/service:

• Mike Lindell ('Pillow Guy' and 'Cyber Ninja' enthusiast )
  Mark Finchem ('Gunsligher Guy')

So before we look at non-insurrectionists groups that DO NOT qualify (and really ONLY exist in the minds of Trumpsters and right-wing lunatic conspiracists), let's pump the breaks on such nonsense and FIRST disqualify the R.E.A.L. insurrectionists, according to the 14th Amendment and Section #3.

[Xpartan]

"State's Rights...baby!" and "State Laws...baby!"...the all but too familiar and often heard battle cry of the Repubs and the conservative SCOTUS, that love to ad nauseam, drone on and on and on, about "State Rights"....that is of course, until it no longer suits their right-wing agenda.

Yep! Just like they hate "government handouts" unless government handouts benefit global corporations. Then they turn into Marxists in a New York minute or less.

[Xpartan]

I'm also guessing it will take some serious bloodshed to right the ship?

What we really need at this juncture is an American Putin!!

We already had an American Putin.

He never tried to right the ship.

He tried to hijack the ship, but fortunately failed.

Never again!

[EihTooms]

No, there is no evidence that Joe Biden "committed the same crime" as Trump committed or in fact any crime at all regarding classified documents or anything else.

In stark contrast to the abundance of evidence and outright admission by Trump himself that he committed such a crime:

U.S.C. 1924 - UNAUTHORIZED REMOVAL AND RETENTION OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS OR MATERIAL

https://www.thefederalcriminalattorn...fied-documents#text=Therefore%2 see%20 Title%2018%20 USA see. ,unauthorized%20 removal%20 of%20 classified%20 documents.

In the United States, protecting classified information is paramount to safeguarding national security. Thus, when government officers, employees, or contractors mishandle classified materials entrusted to them, it risks significant harm to the United States and its interests.

Therefore, Title 18 U.S.C. 1924 makes it a federal crime to knowingly remove classified documents or materials from their designated locations without authorization or retain them in an unauthorized area.

Anticipating the next Twisty McPretzel Winger twist and turn over definitions of simple, commonly used words:

KNOWINGLY
knowingly
/ˈnōiNGlē/
adverb
1.
in a way that suggests one has secret knowledge or awareness.
"Amy looked at me knowingly"
Similar:
deliberately
intentionally
consciously
wittingly
with full knowledge
in full awareness
with one's eyes open
on purpose
by design
calculatedly
premeditatedly
studiedly
willfully
purposefully
willingly
Opposite:
accidentally
unawares
2.
in full awareness or consciousness; deliberately.
"I can honestly say I've never knowingly misled anyone"

RETAIN
retain
/rəˈtān/
verb
1.
continue to have (something); keep possession of.
"built in 1830, the house retains many of its original features"
Similar:
keep
keep possession of
keep hold of
hold onto
hold fast to
keep back
hang onto
cling to
cleave to
maintain
continue
preserve
reserve
conserve
perpetuate
cherish
Opposite:
give up
lose
abolish
discontinue
alter
2.
absorb and continue to hold (a substance).
"limestone is known to retain water"

The moment Trump refused the National Archive requests to return those documents he committed a crime. Then he continued to commit that crime over and over again when he ignored the subpoena, directed his attorneys and staff to move and hide them, etc. That is why Federal Agents eventually had to enter the scene of Trump's crime in order to prevent him from continuing to commit that crime and continuing to put the United States of America at grave National Security risk.

Joe Biden committed no crime in that regard. Therefore, no subpoena and no Federal Agent intervention were required.

See how that works?

[EihTooms]

And this from Mr. Rule of Law guy. Trump and Biden broke the same law, and you are in no position of knowing who is telling the truth about what happened or which one is lying. What is fact is that they both broke the same law and Trump's documents were taken by machine gun and Biden's were not.

And you are such a narcissist you think it could not happen to you. Yes, Mr. Rule of Law, Trump can offer up a subpoena for millions of documents, some of which you do not have, and when you do not produce them, order a SWAT team in to go raid your residence. You opened up that Pandora's box. No federal judge is going to protect you after this fiasco.

I could not be more happy to be more wrong, Spidy. Now that you douches are saying it is legal to kick people out of office for just the appearance of being in an insurrection, we can kick out of office anyone associated with the 2020 steal, the future 2024 steal, and anyone involved in the BLM riots or with BLM period. We do not need a trial. We just need the videotape and we can start ignoring the will of the people and election results too.

Thing that gets me is the Democrats pull their douche shit first, and Republicans hit back 10 X harder. What gets me with you and Tooms Spidy is you are literally cheering on disregarding the vote / will of the people and literally cheering on the weaponization of the legal system. You are cheering on verdicts without trials, criminal prosecutions for political purposes, and votes not counting. You are literally tearing up Democracy because you want one party rule. There is no arguing with you two. There is just defeating you.

Now that we know beyond a doubt that is what you Dems really want, one party rule by any means possible, we are going to do all we can to make sure the one party in power is ours.

I keep waiting for one of you to say, "Hey, this is too much", but now I see there is nothing you would not do to win.

Actually, I am in a perfect position to know the difference between what happened with regard to documents found in virtually every top Executive Branch storage boxes over the years vs the extraordinarily illegal way Trump dealt with it.

Because I read, listen to and watch real news coverage and witness testimony of such things.

You should try it sometimes. Spoiler alert: Joe Biden won the 2020 election fair and square and the Impeachment of President Hunter Biden by ChristoFacist Mike is only a distraction from his Getting Smaller and Smaller All The Time Repub Pink Tinkle House finally stop sitting on their butts Doing Nothing while they could be earning their pay for a nice change of pace working on Comprehensive Immigration Reform after Trump left that system in total tatters.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"State's Rights. Baby!" and "State Laws. Baby! The all but too familiar and often heard battle cry of the Repubs and the conservative SCOTUS that love to ad nauseam, drone on and on and on, about "State Rights". That is of course, until it no longer suits their right-wing agenda.

I for one applaud Colorado and Maine for standing up and invoking "State's Rights! W / are to their state's election voting rights, to have Trump removed / disqualified from the ballot, when said candidate does not meet or violets constitutional, legal and justified grounds, surrounding state election voting law requirements for taking office.

What's hilarious and so blatantly hypocritical, is that all of a sudden, Repubs are now frowning upon the inherent rights for the states to run their own elections, the way they see fit, under the law and constitution. Much like how they just advocated for states rights, w / are to ABORTION in Dobbs' overturning of Roe v. Wade.

Ugh! What now?

Not sure what you were getting at in several of the last paragraphs, but it sure did make for lots of bluster, pomp and circumstance. And naturally true to form, the ugly right-wing Repub ideology, rears its grotesque head, with the dogwhistles and the usually subtle hints of thuggery and violence.

I will say this much, that SCOTUS overturning "State's Rights" to run their own elections as they see fit, will prove very interesting, as the (right-wing) SCOTUS will once again be seen as hypocrites and pandering to "States Rights" ONLY when it suits their right-wing majority agenda and not anything having to do with the actual Constitutional Laws.

However, IMHO, what will be even more interesting, is if SCOTUS upholds "States Rights", to strike Trump from the ballot, which of course is the "right thing to do", under constitutional law. But will it open a "Pandora's box"? Or a "slippery slope" of voting disqualifications across states? Rightly so for Trump, but perhaps even more so in retaliation, unfairly and unjustly for Biden?

Again, I wouldn't worry to much Elvis 2008, as the right-wing conservative SCOTUS, are very comfortable being hypocrites, and as such will be very hypocritical and go against "States Rights" no doubt, and overturn the Colorado and Maine's State Courts ruling.

It will be just as interesting to watch Judge Gorsuch, contort himself into a hypocrite pretzel, as the Colorado court used Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch's ruling, to justify disqualifying Trump.

"As then-Judge Gorsuch recognized in Hassan, it is 'a state's legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process' that 'permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office, the state opinion reads.

https://www.businessinsider.com/neil...t-2023-12?op=1

Well now. Won't it be interesting to see if Judge Gorsuch, is a two-face liar and a hypocrite, or will he abide by HIS OWN ruling, to uphold "States Rights".

BTW, (the bought and paid for) Judge Clarence Thomas, should also recuse himself from the decision (if he had an once of integrity), due to the fact his beast of a wife, was also engaged in the J6 insurrection. ".

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/o...signation.html

BTW what do you know about the law besides what you regurgitate from MSNBC?

You jail house lawyers probably know even less than that NON atty in Maine trying to play atty for the news cameras LMAO.

Due to the fact his beast of a wife? That sounds blatantly racist!!

If he was a Democrat and I called her a beast I'm guessing many here would flip the fuck out.

Because it seems you are stating a black man could only get a white wife if she is a nasty beast, is that what you are positing?

you racists are out to destroy Christian White America, one illegal alien at a time

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/what-great-replacement-theory-musk-exposes-immense-growing-size-illegal-immigration

everything you MFers say and do is motivated by your racism towards hetero white Christians

[Elvis 2008]

So both you and Elvis are completely baffled by the far from subtle difference between accidentally having classified documents packed in a box by staffers.

And this from Mr. Rule of Law guy. Trump and Biden broke the same law, and you are in no position of knowing who is telling the truth about what happened or which one is lying. What is fact is that they both broke the same law and Trump's documents were taken by machine gun and Biden's were not.

And you are such a narcissist you think it could not happen to you. Yes, Mr. Rule of Law, Trump can offer up a subpoena for millions of documents, some of which you do not have, and when you do not produce them, order a SWAT team in to go raid your residence. You opened up that Pandora's box. No federal judge is going to protect you after this fiasco.

There is precedence for an official removed from office, using the 14th Amendment. Whereby the official was found to have encouraged, incited and/or engaged in unlawful actions to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power.

• ABC NEWS: Official removed from office under 14th Amendment...
  "Former Otero County, New Mexico, Commissioner Couy Griffin was disqualified almost exactly a year ago after Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics (CREW) sued to eject him from his role under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment."
  
  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=103009491
  
  14th Amendment: New Mexico official first politician removed over January 6 attack ...
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tician-removed

Wrong AGAIN...dude! While no one was officially "murdered" per se (unless you want to included the attempted murders of Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi), there were seven (7) people killed or died, directly related to the actions of the insurrectionists.

I could not be more happy to be more wrong, Spidy. Now that you douches are saying it is legal to kick people out of office for just the appearance of being in an insurrection, we can kick out of office anyone associated with the 2020 steal, the future 2024 steal, and anyone involved in the BLM riots or with BLM period. We do not need a trial. We just need the videotape and we can start ignoring the will of the people and election results too.

Thing that gets me is the Democrats pull their douche shit first, and Republicans hit back 10 X harder. What gets me with you and Tooms Spidy is you are literally cheering on disregarding the vote / will of the people and literally cheering on the weaponization of the legal system. You are cheering on verdicts without trials, criminal prosecutions for political purposes, and votes not counting. You are literally tearing up Democracy because you want one party rule. There is no arguing with you two. There is just defeating you.

Now that we know beyond a doubt that is what you Dems really want, one party rule by any means possible, we are going to do all we can to make sure the one party in power is ours.

I keep waiting for one of you to say, "Hey, this is too much", but now I see there is nothing you would not do to win.

[Spidy]

I will let Taibbi take the first part:

Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows decided Thursday to remove Donald Trump from the state's presidential ballot.

Jared Golden, a Democratic congressman from Lewiston who voted to impeach Trump over the January 6th riots, quickly issued a statement:

We are a nation of laws, therefore until he is actually found guilty of the crime of insurrection, he should be allowed on the ballot. ...

"State's Rights...baby!" and "State Laws...baby!"...the all but too familiar and often heard battle cry of the Repubs and the conservative SCOTUS, that love to ad nauseam, drone on and on and on, about "State Rights"....that is of course, until it no longer suits their right-wing agenda.

I for one applaud Colorado and Maine for standing up and invoking "State's Rights!", w/r to their state's election voting rights, to have Trump removed/disqualified from the ballot, when said candidate does not meet or violets constitutional, legal and justified grounds, surrounding state election voting law requirements for taking office.

What's hilarious and so blatantly hypocritical, is that all of a sudden, Repubs are now frowning upon the inherent rights for the states to run their own elections, the way they see fit, under the law and constitution. Much like how they just advocated for states rights, w/r to ABORTION in Dobbs' overturning of Roe v. Wade.

The Democrats are playing a game here with the Supreme Court just like they did with the abortion issue.
...

Those people better live the country and quick.

Ugh! What now?

Not sure what you were getting at in several of the last paragraphs, but it sure did make for lots of bluster, pomp and circumstance. And naturally true to form, the ugly right-wing Repub ideology, rears its grotesque head, with the dogwhistles and the usually subtle hints of thuggery and violence.

I will say this much, that SCOTUS overturning "State's Rights" to run their own elections as they see fit, will prove very interesting, as the (right-wing) SCOTUS will once again be seen as hypocrites and pandering to "States Rights" ONLY when it suits their right-wing majority agenda and not anything having to do with the actual Constitutional Laws.

However, IMHO, what will be even more interesting, is if SCOTUS upholds "States Rights", to strike Trump from the ballot, which of course is the "right thing to do", under constitutional law. But will it open a "Pandora's box"? or a "slippery slope" of voting disqualifications across states? Rightly so for Trump, but perhaps even more so in retaliation, unfairly and unjustly for Biden?

Again, I wouldn't worry to much Elvis 2008, as the right-wing conservative SCOTUS, are very comfortable being hypocrites, and as such will be very hypocritical and go against "States Rights" no doubt, and overturn the Colorado and Maine's State Courts ruling.

It will be just as interesting to watch Judge Gorsuch, contort himself into a hypocrite pretzel, as the Colorado court used Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch's ruling, to justify disqualifying Trump.

• "As then-Judge Gorsuch recognized in Hassan, it is 'a state's legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process' that 'permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office,'" the state opinion reads.
  
  https://www.businessinsider.com/neil...t-2023-12?op=1

Well now...won't it be interesting to see if Judge Gorsuch, is a two-face liar and a hypocrite, or will he abide by HIS OWN ruling, to uphold "States Rights".

BTW, (the bought and paid for) Judge Clarence Thomas, should also recuse himself from the decision (if he had an once of integrity), due to the fact his beast of a wife, was also engaged in the J6 insurrection.

[The Cane]

Elvis 2008, you'd be wrong AGAIN! As usual, yet another "know nothing" Repub, spreading disinformation and getting the facts wrong AGAIN! Not too mention throwing the Rule of Law, under the bus, when it suits their right-wing agenda. There is precedence for an official removed from office, using the 14th Amendment. Whereby the official was found to have encouraged, incited and/or engaged in unlawful actions to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. Elvis 2008, are you still that gullible, believing the lies, FOXY Muse and Newsmax are feeding ya?

Even if there was no precedent, there's no "precedent" for Donald Trump either. We've never had a president who did what he did. It' all new and we're kind of muddling our way through this. But the shoe fits Trump, so now he has to wear it! And as far as all of the lying in the conservative media, hell FOX "News" (rolling eyes) finally had to own up to its lying to the tune of $800 million dollars, and their own internal communications prove they were lying about stuff and knew they were lying. But here's the kicker. Their loyal audience knows they lie but they don't care so long as the "conservative" media tells them what they want to hear (I put conservative in quotes because these "outfits" do conservatism a great injustice). They (the conservative audience) don't want to know the truth (they can't handle it), and "news outlets" like FOX were eager to serve up the lies to feed their own bottom lines. That is until they got slapped with an $800 million dollar settlement. What's that bottom line look like now? Not as bad as Rudy's LMAO! Another liar! Their all getting theirs. And good! The sweetest will be when Trump finally goes down. He will. Be patient.

[Spidy]

... This year the public is being forced to research questions in which they have no say. We all understand now that there's a disqualification clause in the 14th Amendment. We also understand that this clause seems to have been written with deliberate vagueness. I'm no lawyer, but I doubt the 14th Amendment was designed to empower unelected state officials to unilaterally strike major party frontrunners from the presidential ballot.

F it was, that's a shock. I must have missed that in AP Insane Legal Loopholes class.

Is there any way this ends well? It feels harder and harder to imagine.

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Here we have Tooms going off on this bullshit line about "rule of law" while even a Democratic Congressman from man shoots it down. How many politicians have had the 14th amendment used to disqualify them from seeking office Tooms? I will give you a minute.

Are you ready? The answer is none.

Elvis 2008, you'd be wrong AGAIN! As usual, yet another "know nothing" Repub, spreading disinformation and getting the facts wrong AGAIN! Not too mention throwing the Rule of Law, under the bus, when it suits their right-wing agenda.

There is precedence for an official removed from office, using the 14th Amendment. Whereby the official was found to have encouraged, incited and/or engaged in unlawful actions to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power.

• ABC NEWS: Official removed from office under 14th Amendment...
  "Former Otero County, New Mexico, Commissioner Couy Griffin was disqualified almost exactly a year ago after Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics (CREW) sued to eject him from his role under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment."
  
  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=103009491
  
  14th Amendment: New Mexico official first politician removed over January 6 attack ...
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tician-removed

And how many people did the "insurrections" murder on January 6? That would be none too. ...

Wrong AGAIN...dude! While no one was officially "murdered" per se (unless you want to included the attempted murders of Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi), there were seven (7) people killed or died, directly related to the actions of the insurrectionists.

• The New York Times: These Are the People Who Died in Connection With the Capitol Riot.
  
  "A bipartisan Senate report found that at least seven people had lost their lives in connection with the Jan. 6 attack...."
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/u...ol-deaths.html

Elvis 2008, are you still that gullible, believing the lies, FOXY Muse and Newsmax are feeding ya?