American Politics

[Axel Heyst]

So now that it can no longer be hidden or denied that there were eyewitnesses willing to come forth and testify under oath as to what actually took place in the famous or rather infamous limo ride, Woke Marxist propaganda agents must set to work trashing the two secret service agent's character and credibility so that their sworn testimony can be called into question on Marxist media outlets. The 2 agents have not even testified yet, but the Marxists are already attacking them. It seems very Soviet Union to me. The two secret service agents are lucky they have not been shipped off to the Aleutian Islands.

Of course, we must believe the Party's witness and her 2nd or 3rd hand, hearsay, testimony because woman never lie for political gain or personal reasons except when they accuse Woke politicians of misconduct. But for those of us who have not yet been forced to become card carrying members of the Woke Marxist New Democrat Party, an interesting question remains: who told her about what happened on the Limo ride? Another third person who saw nothing or someone actually in the Limo? But I guess this is just a trivial, unimportant question for party loyalists like yourself since we common folk are expected to shut up, fall in line, and follow the party's directive Soviet Style.

You are back on my ignore list, poncho.

[PVMonger]

Yeah, there were hundreds of articles about dozens of phone calls to poison control. I am surprised you dumb Dems did not impeach Trump over that.

And you are complaining about that? I thought you wanted all Trump's amoral, racist, and evil supporters dead. Maybe now you should not impeach Trump but give him a medal. Can you make up your mind about why Trump is evil?

By the way, where are all the articles about people who died from Covid after Biden said you could not get it if vaccinated? Where are those hundreds of articles?

When a Republican talks, words mean things. When a Democrat talks, what does the word words mean? Does that not depend on what your definition of is is?

Can you read for comprehension?

When the Mango Mussolini said to inject disinfectant, trump supporters immediately began making bleach martinis. Because they believed what he said. words matter.

They also believed the Orange Moron when he said that Mexico would pay for the wall. Nobody else did, of course, but trump supporters did.

They also believed Hair Furor when he said that he had proof of the election being stolen. Nobody else did, of course, but trump supporters did.

They believed Cheeto Tweeto when he said that Chinese thermostats changed votes. Or was it Italian satellites? Nobody else did, of course, but trump supporters did.

See, that's what I mean when I say words matter.

But sure, deflect and say that there were only dozens of calls when the facts say otherwise. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertg...h=47476a4a1157.

[PVMonger]

Xpartan, in order to defend Pelosi's disgraceful congressional committee proceedings, you are not only misrepresenting what I posted, you are dancing around what actually occurred in the house of Representatives. Why won't you address the relevant issue? Why were the two eyewitnesses to whatever actually occurred in the limo not called to testify under oath? Your silence about the Secret Service agent's firsthand information being ignored by the committee and your foolish attempt to dance around the issue confirms your absolute political bias and concedes the point that the House committee is not interested in finding the truth about what actually occurred on Jan 6. Shame on you and shame on your party.

Unfortunately, from your point of view these hearings failed. Nobody tuned in to watch and the hearings failed to distract the American people from the colossal failures and outrageous behavior of the Biden administration. Namely the economy "stupid", the border chaos, the violence in the streets of all Democratic party controlled cities, and the communist critical race theory and trany indoctrination being forced on our school children. So, November is fast approaching. I can't wait.

Sorry, but to expect the committee to immediately stop what they're doing and call both Ornato and Engel is idiotic.

The committee will call them to testify under oath.

Besides, Ornato has a history, when not under oath, of pulling a trump.

"Two former Trump White House aides took to Twitter Wednesday to say Ornato has a pattern of denying conversations that they know took place.

"Tony Ornato lied about me too," tweeted Alyssa Farah, former White House communications director. She said that she spoke with Ornato and White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows before the forcible clearing of Lafayette Square in June 2020, in which they refused to warn reporters who were staged at the park that they needed to move.

"Tony later lied & said the exchange never happened," Farah wrote.

Olivia Troye, a former senior national security aide to Pence, took to Twitter as well to express her views of Ornato.

"Those of us who worked w / Tony know where his loyalties lie," she wrote. "he should testify under oath."

There's more. "Lawmakers on the committee said Ornato had said in his initial testimony that he was unable to recall other actions and statements by Trump on Jan. 6 that other witnesses had described in great detail."

So, Ornato and Engel will testify under oath. Or at least they'll be asked to testify. Whether or not they actually testify is another matter entirely.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ecret-service/

But here's the thing. Let's say that you and I are having a meeting and a third person shows up. I say to that person, "Hey, ole' Axe told me {insert story here} and he was there in person. " What do you do if I told a falsehood about the story? Do you stay silent? Do you speak up and correct me? I guaran-damn-tee that you'd speak up. And so would Engel if the story about what happened in the SUV was false. But he didn't say a word. Did he?

[Elvis 2008]

Here it is, I thought you were one of the smarter Repubs and then you go and prove otherwise. Elvis, your posts getting funnier every time I read them and I do like the funny pages, as your posts are certainly that.

Well, Elvis, with you being a staunch purveyor of Foxy News (hint: which is really just entertainment, but most of the time, just comic relief disguised as news), I'm sure you'll have no trouble relating to any future reports from me.

I am not a Republican as much as I vote Republican. When Bush trashed the economy and was mongering for war all over the world and trashing the economy, I voted for Obama.

Thing is now we have another pro war idiot who is just as dense as Bush on the economy as president now. People I trust like Matt Taibbi have pointed out that the pro-war, neocon morons who wanted us to go to war in Iraq are now being sought out by Biden for advice. I think some if those fools may even switch parties. You can have them.

You think there is this huge gulf between Republicans and Democrats. Outside of his bone headed energy policy (and Bush's was boneheaded as well but in a different way), I see little difference between Biden and GW Bush. They both love war.

The best presidents in my life time (Reagan, Clinton, Obama, and Trump) all kept the peace.

[Elvis 2008]

Imagine being in a meeting with two other people, AxeH and Elvis.

AxeH says "Elvis just told me that the President of the company punched out his aide while on the way to the airport". (Elvis was in the car with the President of the company and saw the incident).

If the story was false, (ie. Elvis never said what AxeH related) would Elvis just sit there quietly and not say a word? Not on your life. He would, right then and there refute what AxeH said.

You have no idea what anyone would do, and it is a sorry ass excuse. With Russiagate, with the Kyle Rittenhouse trial and how it was covered, and with the Brett Kavanaugh hearing, you dumb Dems lost all credibility. I did not even like Kavanaugh that much. There are like five Catholics on SCOTUS already, and he is another blue blood type whose views on the 4th amendment may be at odds with mine but what you dumb Dems did not get is that after that flimsy bullshit feminist hit job on him, a repeat of Clarence Thomas, he had my support.

So we see a movie like 2000 mules and a woman who lives in another state put ballots into a ballot box wearing gloves, threw them out, and the pathetic excuse given, "it was during a pandemic don't you know", we just sit in shock. No one knows why she was wearing gloves, so why do you fools give out such an explanation?

Thing is PVM, we do not know what the fuck she was doing. She could have been stuffing the ballot box for Trump right? But you dumb Dems do not care if there was an election fraud. All you care about is the result, and if that woman is deposed, there is a chance the result you desire comes into question.

So when it came to Russiagate, Kavanaugh, Rittenhouse, Hunter Biden's laptop, and now election fraud, your goal was not truth but power, so we who vote Republican have totally tuned you out. And now you are blathering on about the significance of some second hand heresay. You have lost us again. You have shown that you have no respect for the rules of an election and want to cheat and get some group of people to disqualify Trump versus beating him in an election.

So let me repeat this fact. Russiagate was a fraud devised by Democrats and carried out by the FBI to illegally oust a duly elected president. Do you deny that PVM?

So you dumb Dems already committed fraud and tried to rig one election. That is a fact and amazingly when it came to 1-6, you dumb Dems think that had nothing to do with anything.

You are so dense it is inconceivable that people would riot and March because you were trying to commit election fraud not once but a second time. No, it had to be Trump.

If you do not care about the fraud that was Russiagate, why the hell should we care about 1-6?

[Axel Heyst]

Imagine being in a meeting with two other people, AxeH and Elvis.

AxeH says "Elvis just told me that the President of the company punched out his aide while on the way to the airport". (Elvis was in the car with the President of the company and saw the incident).

If the story was false, (ie. Elvis never said what AxeH related) would Elvis just sit there quietly and not say a word? Not on your life. He would, right then and there refute what AxeH said. Because that's what people do. If somebody flat out lies in your presence about something you said, you call bullshit immediately.

This post is beautiful! I think I will print it & frame it.

So, PV Acknowledges my critical point that the reason the Secret Service were not asked to testify in front of Nancy's inquisition is that their firsthand testimony would have been exculpatory because their testimony would have completely contradicted the third hand testimony of the woman. I am not even going to mention her name anymore. Note: some posters on this thread may not know what exculpatory means. Ha ha.

In any case PV and I agree on something. Unbelievable, but apparently true. These are his words not mine. "If somebody flat out lies in your presence about something you said, you call bullshit immediately. " Absolutely right, and that is just what the two secret service agents riding in the car with Trump on Jan 6 did. They went public with it within hours of the woman's testimony and stated categorically that what the woman told the committee never happened. They also volunteered to testify under oath in front of the committee to what they witnessed firsthand that day in the limo. But the committee did not call them. Game set match. The committee hearings are nothing more than choreographed soviet style show trial. A propaganda ballet.

Note to our literary challenged radical bm's: my reference to a "soviet style show trial" is an analogy.

So, PV may not have been aware that the 2 secret service agents came forward right after the woman testified and denied her version of what took place. The corporate news media tends not to report political news that does not support the leftwing narrative. The woman 's shocking testimony was allowed to dominate at least one news cycle before the whole truth came out. The committee knew this would happen and played the corporate news media like a violin. This is a problem worthy of further discussion, the political corruption of the 5th Estate, but not now. It is like pulling teeth on this web site to prove the committee is not concerned with finding out what really happened on Jan 6 and even now with undeniable proof presented as to their bias, I know that most if not all of the ISG radicals will refuse to concede the point. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

[Spidy]

Keep bringing the traitors before the bench.

"USA District Judge Dabney L. Friedrich condemned Reffitt's conduct in handing down an 87-month sentence, saying in a nearly six-hour-long hearing that his views espousing political violence were 'absurd,' 'delusional' and "way outside of the mainstream. What Reffitt and others did at the Capitol 'is the antithesis of patriotism,' Friedrich said, adding: "Not only are they not patriots, they are a direct threat to our democracy, and will be punished as such. ".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...sentence-jan6/

Great post! Dovetails nicely with the fallout from Agent Orange treasonous, seditious tweets, rants and actions.

As this RethugliKKKant armed rioter, Guy Reffitt, now feels the DOJ "consequences boot", derived directly from the mad capped, unhinged tweets of Agent Orange.

More suffering for Americans, albeit this time, justified and well placed suffering.

[Spidy]

... You have not one shred of objective proof that Trump being president had anything to do with Covid deaths. You dumb Dems just find a narrative, any narrative, to blame Trump for Covid and go with it.

Agent Orange's dereliction of duty, ineptitude and arrogance to act when the data on the fast spreading virus, across various countries was present to him, on several occasions (before it exponentially got out of hand), and he arrogantly choose to ignore his the intelligence information and data coming from his aids and advisors.

He had months to act before the severity of the virus got out of hand and save American lives and he did nothing. Naturally, with his racist and bigoted arrogance (for anything Obama), he threw out the Pandemic Response Playbook, thereby laying a very clear, direct path and an unequivocal trail of ineptitude and incompetence, that most certainly lead to the many hundreds of thousands of preventable COVID deaths.

Every single intervention you have criticized him for (masks, quarantines, travel bans, lockdowns, and finally vaccines) has not just been an utter failure but often harmful to the public. The latest narration debacle is some team of doctors he dissolved in 2018 could have stopped the pandemic, and the only reason you have gone for that is everything else has failed.

I do not know anyone who took the injecting bleach comment seriously. I thought it was a joke, and everyone in the media called it stupid at the time. But no one thought Biden saying "if you get vaccinated, you will not get Covid" was a joke. Yet for some reason, you dumb Dems take a stupid comment / joke as one of great importance, and give Biden being dead wrong a pass. The objective people here know that is because you dumb Dems are a bunch of lying hypocrites.

Lots of RethugliKKKants did! You don't know anybody who took the injecting bleach comment seriously? Really? Because lots of RethugliKKKants did. Why else did calls to poison control centers go up in the days and weeks following his "joke". https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ctant-comments and https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertg...h=d3eb5f011574 and https://www.poison.med.wayne.edu/upd...kacdxmz943u1hs and https://www.kansascity.com/news/coro...242318056.html.

All one needs to do is to google "poison control calls after trump inject disinfectant remarks". There are hundreds of articles...

Yep! PVM, I couldn't have said it better, myself. The criticism levied, was justly earned after the multitude of blunders and ineptitude.

No one is taking you seriously now Spidy. You rank up there with Eih telling us how great the USA is doing from Thailand and what a splendid president Jimmy Carter was. I will read your posts like I read his, for comic relief.

Here it is, I thought you were one of the smarter Repubs and then you go and prove otherwise. Elvis, your posts getting funnier every time I read them and I do like the funny pages, as your posts are certainly that.

Well, Elvis, with you being a staunch purveyor of Foxy News (hint: which is really just entertainment, but most of the time, just comic relief disguised as news), I'm sure you'll have no trouble relating to any future reports from me.

[PVMonger]

The following is an excerpt from the following article. I have chosen not to include some parts because they relate to the "local politics" of the area from where the person who wrote the article lives. However, the article makes some excellent points. https://news.yahoo.com/ray-buursma-c...041513238.html.

Yes, Trump committed treason.

The Jan. 6 hearings are completed (maybe). Anyone with a smattering of gray matter between the ears recognizes Donald Trump did the following:

1. Rejected the results of a legitimate election.

2. Made illegal, immoral and unethical attempts to maintain his presidency.

3. Gathered supporters for a rally in Washington, the. See. , on Jan. 6, 2021.

4. Encouraged those supporters to preempt the proceedings which would announce the next president.

5. Took no sincere action for three hours to end an attempted insurrection at the Capitol, but instead attempted to contact senators so they would halt constitutional proceedings.

6. Chose to sacrifice the well being and even the life of Vice President Pence, if necessary, so Pence would not declare Biden to be America's next president.

None of this is new, and we need not rehash specifics of Trump's misbehavior. His offenses have been presented over and over, culminating with the last bipartisan Congressional hearing less than two weeks ago.

What of those who still support Trump?

Today we address not Trump, but those who still back him. Let's start by defining two terms.

Treason is attempting to overthrow a nation's government.

A traitor is a person who commits treason.

Based on these definitions and his actions above, Trump is clearly a traitor, but what of the tens of millions who still condone him? What do we call those who committed no overt treasonous act but still stand behind the orchestrator of Jan. 6?

Well, what do we call one who condones a wife beater, a child molester, or a thief? He is not guilty of a crime, but is he an enabler? A facilitator? A booster? An ally? He certainly is reprehensible, but for now, let's call him a "supporter."

Trump supporters come in two types. Some blatantly and overtly endorse the usurper. They still wear MAGA hats, fly Trump flags and display his yard signs and bumper stickers.

Others are closet supporters. They side with Trump but seldom announce their backing, for doing so would appear morally awkward. They are like KKK supporters who do not don pointy white hoods, but still urge their buddies to "Have fun at the cross burning and lynching!" When asked to justify their approval for Trump, most say, "I don't like Trump, but I like his policies."

"Liking policies" might cover a few sins, but "liking policies" can never, ever justify an attempter insurrection or coup, and Trump did nothing less. Atonement is impossible without repentance, and Trump, clearly, is unrepentant. There is no way around this. Remaining a Trump supporter makes one vile to America, vile to the Constitution, and vile to American values.

Jesus, in Matthew 5: 27-28, stated he who lusts after a woman has already committed adultery in his heart. That being so, why should those who condone the traitorous leader of an insurrection not be called traitors?

The author of the article goes on to ask a few questions of a particular local politician. Maybe we ought to ask the same questions of the RethugliKKKans who post here:

First, do you dispute Trump took the six actions listed above? If no, please explain.

Second, do you consider those actions treasonous? If no, please explain.

Third, do you still support Trump? If so, please explain.

[Axel Heyst]

Xpartan, in order to defend Pelosi's disgraceful congressional committee proceedings, you are not only misrepresenting what I posted, you are dancing around what actually occurred in the house of Representatives. Why won't you address the relevant issue? Why were the two eyewitnesses to whatever actually occurred in the limo not called to testify under oath? Your silence about the Secret Service agent's firsthand information being ignored by the committee and your foolish attempt to dance around the issue confirms your absolute political bias and concedes the point that the House committee is not interested in finding the truth about what actually occurred on Jan 6. Shame on you and shame on your party.

Unfortunately, from your point of view these hearings failed. Nobody tuned in to watch and the hearings failed to distract the American people from the colossal failures and outrageous behavior of the Biden administration. Namely the economy "stupid", the border chaos, the violence in the streets of all Democratic party controlled cities, and the communist critical race theory and trany indoctrination being forced on our school children. So, November is fast approaching. I can't wait.

[Xpartan]

Keep bringing the traitors before the bench.

"USA District Judge Dabney L. Friedrich condemned Reffitt's conduct in handing down an 87-month sentence, saying in a nearly six-hour-long hearing that his views espousing political violence were 'absurd,' 'delusional' and "way outside of the mainstream. What Reffitt and others did at the Capitol 'is the antithesis of patriotism,' Friedrich said, adding: "Not only are they not patriots, they are a direct threat to our democracy, and will be punished as such. ".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...sentence-jan6/

Yeah, some good news for a change.

[PVMonger]

And once again, pathetic!

I will post a few excerpts from a solid article written by real lawyers that flushes your "hearsay" theory down the toilet. But first this.

If I'm subpoenaed by a congressional committee, I don't have a luxury to choose what to say. If Axel Heyst told me that Bob had broken his arm, it's my duty -- because I'm testifying UNDER OATH -- to inform the Congress that Axel Heyst has told me about Bob's broken arm.

That's not a hearsay / rumor about Bob. I have no way to determine whether that knucklehead Bob has really broken his arm. My duty is to simply tell the truth about the conversation with Axel Heyst and inform the Congress that Axel Heyst has provided me with the info about Bob who managed to brake his fucking arm somehow.

The Congress then has an option to issue a subpoena for Axel Heyst to confirm or deny the story about things he told me about Bob's broken arm, but there is a pickle: Axel Heyst has been claiming some phony executive privilege thus refusing to fucking testify about that fucking arm, that fucking conversation, that fucking Bob, and fucking everything.

Imagine being in a meeting with two other people, AxeH and Elvis.

AxeH says "Elvis just told me that the President of the company punched out his aide while on the way to the airport". (Elvis was in the car with the President of the company and saw the incident).

If the story was false, (ie. Elvis never said what AxeH related) would Elvis just sit there quietly and not say a word? Not on your life. He would, right then and there refute what AxeH said. Because that's what people do. If somebody flat out lies in your presence about something you said, you call bullshit immediately.

[Elvis 2008]

You don't know anybody who took the injecting bleach comment seriously? Really? Because lots of RethugliKKKants did. Why else did calls to poison control centers go up in the days and weeks following his "joke". https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ctant-comments and https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertg...h=d3eb5f011574 and https://www.poison.med.wayne.edu/upd...kacdxmz943u1hs and https://www.kansascity.com/news/coro...242318056.html.

All one needs to do is to google "poison control calls after trump inject disinfectant remarks". There are hundreds of articles.

Yeah, there were hundreds of articles about dozens of phone calls to poison control. I am surprised you dumb Dems did not impeach Trump over that.

This is something that RethugliKKKants can't seem to wrap their minds around. Words matter. When someone like tRUMP says "Why don't we look into injecting disinfectant as a cure for COVID", thousands of his supporters start drinking bleach martinis.

And you are complaining about that? I thought you wanted all Trump's amoral, racist, and evil supporters dead. Maybe now you should not impeach Trump but give him a medal. Can you make up your mind about why Trump is evil?

By the way, where are all the articles about people who died from Covid after Biden said you could not get it if vaccinated? Where are those hundreds of articles?

When a Republican talks, words mean things. When a Democrat talks, what does the word words mean? Does that not depend on what your definition of is is?

[Paulie97]

You don't know anybody who took the injecting bleach comment seriously? Really?.

Trump was dead serious when he made the bleach comments. The context and atmosphere were as serious as a heart attack, as was his tone. He tried to walk it back later once he found out he made a complete fool of himself, calling it a "joke," but no can do. Biden made great use of this in the debates.

Watch Dr. Birx's reaction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57zJr82dhQ

[Paulie97]

Keep bringing the traitors before the bench.

"USA District Judge Dabney L. Friedrich condemned Reffitt's conduct in handing down an 87-month sentence, saying in a nearly six-hour-long hearing that his views espousing political violence were 'absurd,' 'delusional' and "way outside of the mainstream. What Reffitt and others did at the Capitol 'is the antithesis of patriotism,' Friedrich said, adding: "Not only are they not patriots, they are a direct threat to our democracy, and will be punished as such. ".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...sentence-jan6/