American Politics

[Spidy]

I will let Taibbi take the first part:

Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows decided Thursday to remove Donald Trump from the state's presidential ballot.

Jared Golden, a Democratic congressman from Lewiston who voted to impeach Trump over the January 6th riots, quickly issued a statement:

We are a nation of laws, therefore until he is actually found guilty of the crime of insurrection, he should be allowed on the ballot. ...

"State's Rights...baby!" and "State Laws...baby!"...the all but too familiar and often heard battle cry of the Repubs and the conservative SCOTUS, that love to ad nauseam, drone on and on and on, about "State Rights"....that is of course, until it no longer suits their right-wing agenda.

I for one applaud Colorado and Maine for standing up and invoking "State's Rights!", w/r to their state's election voting rights, to have Trump removed/disqualified from the ballot, when said candidate does not meet or violets constitutional, legal and justified grounds, surrounding state election voting law requirements for taking office.

What's hilarious and so blatantly hypocritical, is that all of a sudden, Repubs are now frowning upon the inherent rights for the states to run their own elections, the way they see fit, under the law and constitution. Much like how they just advocated for states rights, w/r to ABORTION in Dobbs' overturning of Roe v. Wade.

The Democrats are playing a game here with the Supreme Court just like they did with the abortion issue.
...

Those people better live the country and quick.

Ugh! What now?

Not sure what you were getting at in several of the last paragraphs, but it sure did make for lots of bluster, pomp and circumstance. And naturally true to form, the ugly right-wing Repub ideology, rears its grotesque head, with the dogwhistles and the usually subtle hints of thuggery and violence.

I will say this much, that SCOTUS overturning "State's Rights" to run their own elections as they see fit, will prove very interesting, as the (right-wing) SCOTUS will once again be seen as hypocrites and pandering to "States Rights" ONLY when it suits their right-wing majority agenda and not anything having to do with the actual Constitutional Laws.

However, IMHO, what will be even more interesting, is if SCOTUS upholds "States Rights", to strike Trump from the ballot, which of course is the "right thing to do", under constitutional law. But will it open a "Pandora's box"? or a "slippery slope" of voting disqualifications across states? Rightly so for Trump, but perhaps even more so in retaliation, unfairly and unjustly for Biden?

Again, I wouldn't worry to much Elvis 2008, as the right-wing conservative SCOTUS, are very comfortable being hypocrites, and as such will be very hypocritical and go against "States Rights" no doubt, and overturn the Colorado and Maine's State Courts ruling.

It will be just as interesting to watch Judge Gorsuch, contort himself into a hypocrite pretzel, as the Colorado court used Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch's ruling, to justify disqualifying Trump.

• "As then-Judge Gorsuch recognized in Hassan, it is 'a state's legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process' that 'permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office,'" the state opinion reads.
  
  https://www.businessinsider.com/neil...t-2023-12?op=1

Well now...won't it be interesting to see if Judge Gorsuch, is a two-face liar and a hypocrite, or will he abide by HIS OWN ruling, to uphold "States Rights".

BTW, (the bought and paid for) Judge Clarence Thomas, should also recuse himself from the decision (if he had an once of integrity), due to the fact his beast of a wife, was also engaged in the J6 insurrection.

[The Cane]

Elvis 2008, you'd be wrong AGAIN! As usual, yet another "know nothing" Repub, spreading disinformation and getting the facts wrong AGAIN! Not too mention throwing the Rule of Law, under the bus, when it suits their right-wing agenda. There is precedence for an official removed from office, using the 14th Amendment. Whereby the official was found to have encouraged, incited and/or engaged in unlawful actions to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. Elvis 2008, are you still that gullible, believing the lies, FOXY Muse and Newsmax are feeding ya?

Even if there was no precedent, there's no "precedent" for Donald Trump either. We've never had a president who did what he did. It' all new and we're kind of muddling our way through this. But the shoe fits Trump, so now he has to wear it! And as far as all of the lying in the conservative media, hell FOX "News" (rolling eyes) finally had to own up to its lying to the tune of $800 million dollars, and their own internal communications prove they were lying about stuff and knew they were lying. But here's the kicker. Their loyal audience knows they lie but they don't care so long as the "conservative" media tells them what they want to hear (I put conservative in quotes because these "outfits" do conservatism a great injustice). They (the conservative audience) don't want to know the truth (they can't handle it), and "news outlets" like FOX were eager to serve up the lies to feed their own bottom lines. That is until they got slapped with an $800 million dollar settlement. What's that bottom line look like now? Not as bad as Rudy's LMAO! Another liar! Their all getting theirs. And good! The sweetest will be when Trump finally goes down. He will. Be patient.

[Spidy]

... This year the public is being forced to research questions in which they have no say. We all understand now that there's a disqualification clause in the 14th Amendment. We also understand that this clause seems to have been written with deliberate vagueness. I'm no lawyer, but I doubt the 14th Amendment was designed to empower unelected state officials to unilaterally strike major party frontrunners from the presidential ballot.

F it was, that's a shock. I must have missed that in AP Insane Legal Loopholes class.

Is there any way this ends well? It feels harder and harder to imagine.

End of link.

Here we have Tooms going off on this bullshit line about "rule of law" while even a Democratic Congressman from man shoots it down. How many politicians have had the 14th amendment used to disqualify them from seeking office Tooms? I will give you a minute.

Are you ready? The answer is none.

Elvis 2008, you'd be wrong AGAIN! As usual, yet another "know nothing" Repub, spreading disinformation and getting the facts wrong AGAIN! Not too mention throwing the Rule of Law, under the bus, when it suits their right-wing agenda.

There is precedence for an official removed from office, using the 14th Amendment. Whereby the official was found to have encouraged, incited and/or engaged in unlawful actions to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power.

• ABC NEWS: Official removed from office under 14th Amendment...
  "Former Otero County, New Mexico, Commissioner Couy Griffin was disqualified almost exactly a year ago after Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics (CREW) sued to eject him from his role under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment."
  
  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=103009491
  
  14th Amendment: New Mexico official first politician removed over January 6 attack ...
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tician-removed

And how many people did the "insurrections" murder on January 6? That would be none too. ...

Wrong AGAIN...dude! While no one was officially "murdered" per se (unless you want to included the attempted murders of Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi), there were seven (7) people killed or died, directly related to the actions of the insurrectionists.

• The New York Times: These Are the People Who Died in Connection With the Capitol Riot.
  
  "A bipartisan Senate report found that at least seven people had lost their lives in connection with the Jan. 6 attack...."
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/u...ol-deaths.html

Elvis 2008, are you still that gullible, believing the lies, FOXY Muse and Newsmax are feeding ya?

[EihTooms]

"Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Ever heard of an impeachment trial? If Trump were successfully impeached, he could not run again. You douches just did not like that result and now ignore it and take whatever laws you can and say Trump is a criminal.

Hell, even CNN is saying Trump's criminal trials are political: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZewAFmsO0sc.

And then you have MDS link, Maine Secretary of State claims that the reason Trump needed to be legally removed from the ballot was because "If his name was on the ballot, there's a good chance people would have voted for him. ".

How many people voted for Trump? Do not give me this whataboutism bullshit. You are such a narcissist that you imagine everyone is on your side. You are like John Clayton who assumes anyone against dumping billions into the Ukraine stalemate is a Russian bot or Putin lover.

So we know 2016 was attempted to be rigged. We know that once Trump was elected in 2016, FBI douche Peter Strzok and his FBI lawyer lover tried to get Trump booted from office. We know that Dems are doing everything possible to rig 2024 but 2020 was the most pristine in history? Yeah right.

So if the "Republican" Supreme Court rules for Trump, you are already making excuses. You have already shown that rule of law only means something when Democrats say it is.

Where do you get off calling the Supreme Court traitorous? That literally is insurrection talk. You Dems have already been insurrectionists by threatening Supreme Court justices after they made the abortion ruling.

I want to thank you Tooms for showing me how demented the average Democratic douche is. You literally are advocating for one party rule and against Democracy, and that is why sadly it is going to take violence to keep guys like you in check.

I am done trying to convince you of anything. Biden has classified documents illegally in his possession, his lawyer gets them. With Trump, a SWAT team gets them at gunpoint. Oh yeah, you have all these bullshit reasons as to why it is different. I am done listening to your excuses. Until you have another person armed with a machine gun in your face, you will not get it. You are beyond hope. You think the only rational POV is yours. ".

Or do they know its coming because they are going to provoke it?

Zuckerturd will be Enemy #1 he better have a very large private army to go with that bunker.

And extra room for the likes of Mike Bloomturd!!

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ma...31/id/1147767/

He wants to protect his CCP commie wife and kids because the Bay area won't be safe enough for any of them.

So a secluded island in the middle of the Pacific half way to CCPland is his safest bet.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/...ity-standards/

So both you and Elvis are completely baffled by the far from subtle difference between accidentally having classified documents packed in a box by staffers and immediately responding to a request to return them without even one subpoena being delivered vs defying a request to return them for a year, denying and ignoring a subpoena to return them for months, then defiantly announcing they "belong to ME" and getting caught directing your staff and attorneys to lie about them and hide them, some of the most dangerous ones still going missing?

And the far from subtle difference between simply saying "We was ROBBED" after losing an election vs actively taking measures to incite a violent, cop-killing Insurrectionist mob to storm the Capitol to overturn a repeatedly proven free and fair election while the leader of that mob sat on his butt for over 3 hours doing and saying nothing to stop the attack in total violation of his sworn under oath Constitutional duties as a supposed potus re enforcing the laws of the country?

LOL. Your total and, likely, willful ignorance on just those two blatantly obvious differences should skyrocket you right to the top of Trump's or any Repub's list of Repub Party-"qualified" picks for Secretary of State, Attorney General or perhaps even Vice President should the country really go so raving lunatic crazy to ever again put a Repub in a position to make picks for anything important, much less raving, frothing at the mouth lunatic crazy enough for it to be Donald Trump.

And that, folks, is why Repub Economic and National Security Policy and Stewardship cannot help but produce the historic crap results it has produced virtually exclusively and NONE of the historic positive results for almost 100 years. LOL.

[EihTooms]

Scumbag Joe has destroyed that, for 3 hellish years now.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...t-report-says/

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1...D&refsrc=email

Scumbag Joe and the whole Biden crime family needs to be arrested with SWAT teams on Jan 20.2025 at 1201 pm.

LOL. Breitbatshit:

Joe Biden Pressured Merrick Garland to Prosecute Donald Trump, Resurfaced NYT Report Says

"And while the president has never communicated his frustrations directly to Mr. Garland"

BTW, didn't a twice Impeached former so-called potus announce that Ted Cruz's dad helped to kill JFK? He probably read all about it on Breitbatshit.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Ever heard of an impeachment trial? If Trump were successfully impeached, he could not run again. You douches just did not like that result and now ignore it and take whatever laws you can and say Trump is a criminal.

Hell, even CNN is saying Trump's criminal trials are political: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZewAFmsO0sc.

And then you have MDS link, Maine Secretary of State claims that the reason Trump needed to be legally removed from the ballot was because "If his name was on the ballot, there's a good chance people would have voted for him. ".

How many people voted for Trump? Do not give me this whataboutism bullshit. You are such a narcissist that you imagine everyone is on your side. You are like John Clayton who assumes anyone against dumping billions into the Ukraine stalemate is a Russian bot or Putin lover.

So we know 2016 was attempted to be rigged. We know that once Trump was elected in 2016, FBI douche Peter Strzok and his FBI lawyer lover tried to get Trump booted from office. We know that Dems are doing everything possible to rig 2024 but 2020 was the most pristine in history? Yeah right.

So if the "Republican" Supreme Court rules for Trump, you are already making excuses. You have already shown that rule of law only means something when Democrats say it is.

Where do you get off calling the Supreme Court traitorous? That literally is insurrection talk. You Dems have already been insurrectionists by threatening Supreme Court justices after they made the abortion ruling.

I want to thank you Tooms for showing me how demented the average Democratic douche is. You literally are advocating for one party rule and against Democracy, and that is why sadly it is going to take violence to keep guys like you in check.

I am done trying to convince you of anything. Biden has classified documents illegally in his possession, his lawyer gets them. With Trump, a SWAT team gets them at gunpoint. Oh yeah, you have all these bullshit reasons as to why it is different. I am done listening to your excuses. Until you have another person armed with a machine gun in your face, you will not get it. You are beyond hope. You think the only rational POV is yours. ".

Or do they know its coming because they are going to provoke it?

Zuckerturd will be Enemy #1 he better have a very large private army to go with that bunker.

And extra room for the likes of Mike Bloomturd!!

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ma...31/id/1147767/

He wants to protect his CCP commie wife and kids because the Bay area won't be safe enough for any of them.

So a secluded island in the middle of the Pacific half way to CCPland is his safest bet.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/...ity-standards/

[MarquisdeSade1]

Scumbag Joe has destroyed that, for 3 hellish years now.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...t-report-says/

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1...D&refsrc=email

Scumbag Joe and the whole Biden crime family needs to be arrested with SWAT teams on Jan 20.2025 at 1201 pm.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Weren't those the Russian hos where you said the good looking ones would not agree to Real Sex / BBBJ+CIP no matter how poor their country was?

Lucky you, they might be getting free condoms from Biden any minute now. LOL. ".

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gigizam...h=5d7fb3921147

I didn't see any poverty, and my last visit I was there for a month and traveled all over the city fucking whoors.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Really? Well, I consider myself well-traveled and I'd be very interested in your list of top 20 that doesn't include the US. Only please, let's be grownups and count some metrics other than mongering like, I don't know, economic security, infrastructure, the rule of law -- silly stuff like this. ".

"let's be grownups and count some metrics other than mongering".

I would be willing to consider living in another country, although I can't imagine there is another better than the USA.

Ill list a few reasons to back that up.

-many of the best physicians in the world by lightyears.

-the best country in the world to educate your children (as long as you can afford pvt schools LOL).

-the best food in the world, evinced by the obesity issues LOL.

-depending on your address safe drinking water, and safe from criminals.

-great place to make money.

-pre Biden, free speech rights are very important to me.

I'm sure I can go on and on all night.

"let's be grownups and count some metrics other than mongering".

But if I were to ever consider why would I move to another country that didn't have great mongering.

That would be very high on my list of must haves, maybe even #1.

I would never move to another country that didn't have great mongering, what would be the fucking point?

I don't even want to visit a place that doesn't have great mongering why the fuck would I want to move to another country like that.

The USA is bad enough in that regard.

[EihTooms]

Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Ever heard of an impeachment trial? If Trump were successfully impeached, he could not run again. You douches just did not like that result and now ignore it and take whatever laws you can and say Trump is a criminal.

Hell, even CNN is saying Trump's criminal trials are political: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZewAFmsO0sc.

And then you have MDS link, Maine Secretary of State claims that the reason Trump needed to be legally removed from the ballot was because "If his name was on the ballot, there's a good chance people would have voted for him. ".

How many people voted for Trump? Do not give me this whataboutism bullshit. You are such a narcissist that you imagine everyone is on your side. You are like John Clayton who assumes anyone against dumping billions into the Ukraine stalemate is a Russian bot or Putin lover.

So we know 2016 was attempted to be rigged. We know that once Trump was elected in 2016, FBI douche Peter Strzok and his FBI lawyer lover tried to get Trump booted from office. We know that Dems are doing everything possible to rig 2024 but 2020 was the most pristine in history? Yeah right.

So if the "Republican" Supreme Court rules for Trump, you are already making excuses. You have already shown that rule of law only means something when Democrats say it is.

Where do you get off calling the Supreme Court traitorous? That literally is insurrection talk. You Dems have already been insurrectionists by threatening Supreme Court justices after they made the abortion ruling.

I want to thank you Tooms for showing me how demented the average Democratic douche is. You literally are advocating for one party rule and against Democracy, and that is why sadly it is going to take violence to keep guys like you in check.

I am done trying to convince you of anything. Biden has classified documents illegally in his possession, his lawyer gets them. With Trump, a SWAT team gets them at gunpoint. Oh yeah, you have all these bullshit reasons as to why it is different. I am done listening to your excuses. Until you have another person armed with a machine gun in your face, you will not get it. You are beyond hope. You think the only rational POV is yours.

1. Trump was duly and fully Impeached. Twice. You are apparently thinking about Trump not being convicted by the Senate and, therefore, not barred from running for office again on those grounds. That is a separate issue.

But, I agree that it is an important aspect of it and ought to be factored in to the case against all the members of the House and Senate who are also Constitutionally disqualified from holding office on that "given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" thingy; Any member of Congress who did not support Trump's Impeachment or vote for his conviction when he was duly and fully Impeached for inciting an Insurrection against America fits that criteria perfectly.

2. The Constitution says nothing about a legal conviction being required to accept a previous oath-taker's actions being enough to disqualify him to hold office. Aside from the fact that sworn testimony from mostly members of his own Party and even in his own administration gave witness to his repeated attempts to obstruct and overturn the Constitionally-sanctioned and required confirmation of a repeatedly proven free and fair election, he himself has not uttered or offered one shred of evidence or reasoning for why he sat on his butt for over 3 hours watching his Insurrectionist mob attack and eventually kill several police officers in their coup attempt without doing ANYYHING to stop them, despite being urged to do so over and over again by his staff. Which is by itself another violation of that Oath of Office thingy he began to shit on from the moment he took it.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Ever heard of an impeachment trial? If Trump were successfully impeached, he could not run again. You douches just did not like that result and now ignore it and take whatever laws you can and say Trump is a criminal.

Hell, even CNN is saying Trump's criminal trials are political: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZewAFmsO0sc.

And then you have MDS link, Maine Secretary of State claims that the reason Trump needed to be legally removed from the ballot was because "If his name was on the ballot, there's a good chance people would have voted for him. ".

How many people voted for Trump? Do not give me this whataboutism bullshit. You are such a narcissist that you imagine everyone is on your side. You are like John Clayton who assumes anyone against dumping billions into the Ukraine stalemate is a Russian bot or Putin lover.

So we know 2016 was attempted to be rigged. We know that once Trump was elected in 2016, FBI douche Peter Strzok and his FBI lawyer lover tried to get Trump booted from office. We know that Dems are doing everything possible to rig 2024 but 2020 was the most pristine in history? Yeah right.

So if the "Republican" Supreme Court rules for Trump, you are already making excuses. You have already shown that rule of law only means something when Democrats say it is.

Where do you get off calling the Supreme Court traitorous? That literally is insurrection talk. You Dems have already been insurrectionists by threatening Supreme Court justices after they made the abortion ruling.

I want to thank you Tooms for showing me how demented the average Democratic douche is. You literally are advocating for one party rule and against Democracy, and that is why sadly it is going to take violence to keep guys like you in check.

I am done trying to convince you of anything. Biden has classified documents illegally in his possession, his lawyer gets them. With Trump, a SWAT team gets them at gunpoint. Oh yeah, you have all these bullshit reasons as to why it is different. I am done listening to your excuses. Until you have another person armed with a machine gun in your face, you will not get it. You are beyond hope. You think the only rational POV is yours. ".

His "mentality" represents the avg low IQ DNC voter.

I suspect a byproduct of having a half white black muslim in the White House and listening to Rachel Maddow too much.

Thats why you don't hear from Hussein the muslim anymore I'm guessing the deep state has asked him to make himself scarce (hes basically in exile in the witness protection program).

Along with Rachel the lezbo.

The 2 of them broke the country and they arent going to fix it.

I'm also guessing it will take some serious bloodshed to right the ship?

What we really need at this juncture is an American Putin!!

These traitors need to be crushed without MERCY!!

[EihTooms]

Oh sure, let's believe USNEWS that the USA is #5 in the world for best countries? LOL.

Come on this is fucking laughable.

As this being internationalsexguide I believe most of us are very well travelled.

I wouldn't even rank the US in the top 20. That list is a joke and the US is the worst country in the western world to live in.

If someone wanted to put it outside the top 30 I wouldn't argue either probably.

Well, if you have any link to a list from anyone other than one Repub Trumpster on an international sex website touting Russia as a better country to live in than the USA, which was his suggestion, along with the criteria for such a conclusion, please feel free to post it.

So far the criteria seems only to be regarding his pleasure derived from eating off sidewalks. And even on that basis I suspect he could find plenty of sidewalks in the USA from which to happily dine. Maybe just not in his chosen neighborhood.

[Xpartan]

Oh sure, let's believe USNEWS that the USA is #5 in the world for best countries? LOL.

Come on this is fucking laughable.

As this being internationalsexguide I believe most of us are very well travelled.

I wouldn't even rank the US in the top 20. That list is a joke and the US is the worst country in the western world to live in.

If someone wanted to put it outside the top 30 I wouldn't argue either probably.

Really? Well, I consider myself well-traveled and I'd be very interested in your list of top 20 that doesn't include the US. Only please, let's be grownups and count some metrics other than mongering like, I don't know, economic security, infrastructure, the rule of law -- silly stuff like this.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Oh sure, let's believe NEWS that the USA is #5 in the world for best countries? LOL.

Come on this is fucking laughable.

As this being internationalsexguide I believe most of us are very well travelled.

I wouldn't even rank the US in the top 20. That list is a joke and the US is the worst country in the western world to live in.

If someone wanted to put it outside the top 30 I wouldn't argue either probably. ".

I disagree with your post including this part, most are just voyeurs, or have only been to 1 or 2 places.

"As this being internationalsexguide I believe most of us are very well travelled. ".

Have you ever lived in the USA? If so where?

If you think there are better countries, list them, you say at least 30 more, lets hear them.

Please don't list anything in Western Europe or any place in that huge shithole know as Asia.

I love really Russia but I don't even know if I could handle its weather or I would move there next week if it had San Diego weather.

I can think of 1 place I wouldn't mind trying, Buenos Aires.

But I probably wouldn't last long, great food and the best medical care in the world are very important to me!!

[Jon32]

It isn't even close.

U.S. News Best Countries.
2023 Rankings.
The overall ranking of Best Countries measure global performance on a variety of metrics.
Switzerland is the best country in the world for 2023.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings

USA is #5.

Thailand is #29.

Russia is #37.

Oh sure, let's believe USNEWS that the USA is #5 in the world for best countries? LOL.

Come on this is fucking laughable.

As this being internationalsexguide I believe most of us are very well travelled.

I wouldn't even rank the US in the top 20. That list is a joke and the US is the worst country in the western world to live in.

If someone wanted to put it outside the top 30 I wouldn't argue either probably.