American Politics

[Chris P]

The vaccines stopped most people from catching CoVid in for first place, and those that did have had a far higher survival rate. That seems like "doing something". Oh and your constant battle-cry. the vaccines do not prevent transmission is nonsensical. If people don't get the virus because they were vaccinated how are they going to transmit something they don't have??

That is the reason the original strains of CoVid disappeared and mutated into a more virulent but less harmful strain. The vaccines are not very effective against the Omnicron variant but the death rate is dramatically lower.

They didn't stop most people catching or transmitting covid. And virus strains mutate all the time. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the useless, fake, untested RNA death jab which helped nobody except the shareholders of Big Pharma and the proponents of the Great Reset and Great Replacement.

Now go get your 3rd booster then get your heart rate up.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Yes, Joseph Goebbels, the German Minister of Propaganda 1933 - 1945, would be proud of his step child, the Woke Media. He invented the mass propaganda technique and enjoyed great success with it until it all came tumbling down in rubble with Allied bombs and Russian tanks.

Happy 4th of July everybody. It is time for Americans to Stand Up for Your Country.

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[MarquisdeSade1]

ROFL. I must admit I kinda admire Hunter. He is a ZFG dude. He wants to smoke crack and bang supermodel-looking hookers in Ukraine, he gets his dad to send him money and probably gets the secret service to ferry over the girls and gear. He wants to bang his dead brother's wife and diddle his nieces, he just does it. He wants to get megabucks kickbacks from China and Ukraine, he just tells them he will fuck their shit up unless they give it to him (with 10% for the big guy) and they do. He wants to shoot some shit up, he illegally obtains a firearm then orders the secret service to get rid of it for him.

He knows that there are no rules if you are related to a top-level democrat, and so he does whatever the fuck he wants with zero consequences. What a life.

They will find either a prison cell or a morgue for him sooner rather than later!!

[Elvis 2008]

Do you ever use Google?

Roughly 1 out of 10 hospital deaths are related to blood clots in the lungs..

Yeah, and I use it right. One in 10 hospital deaths is listed as due to blood clots. Eight of ten are not listed as causes of death, but they could be.

You're still trying to rationalize that your prediction of 80,000 US deaths from CoVid wasn't a foolish uninformed guess.

No, I am saying you do not have the data to show that it was wrong. You have Covid related deaths not deaths due to Covid.

No, hospitals do not get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death.

Your own link shows that not to be true. If someone dies from a heart attack or blood clot or anything, the hospital is incentivized to do a post mortem Covid test and put that on the death certificate.

Isolation and treatment in ICUs sometimes with Ventilators are costly..

LOL. Ventilators. Oh boy.

And if Sweden had acted more responsibly as did their neighbors they would have been in the bottom 10% and saved many lives.

Why stop there? They would have had no deaths and increased life expectancy if only they had listened to you.

The vaccines do not prevent transmission is nonsensical.

Only thing nonsensical about that statement is you are telling a lie. Period.

That is the reason the original strains of CoVid disappeared and mutated into a more virulent but less harmful strain.

That is totally made up.

The vaccines are not very effective against the Omnicron variant but the death rate is dramatically lower.

What does not very effective mean? And lower death rate compared to whom? That statement is not based on a double blind study. It is purely observational and would be rejected as unscientific in every other instance. Approval of the vaccines was based on lower transmission rates. Period. Once that statement is proven to be false, you do not get to make up some new benefit if you are being scientific.

China had, perhaps, the most severe lockdown anywhere. The whole Wuhan province was isolated and everyone was tested and every positive test had contact testing and contacts of contacts testing. China had far less deaths as a result. So now they are having a resurgence of CoVid but it is the Omnicron strain. I suppose Asians are more compliant in these situations.

OMG. China lied to Trump. China allowed international travelers to come into Wuhan while banning domestic ones coming in. They took a ton of information about Corona virus offline from their lab, and you are going on about how great China is and how we should believe their data? Yeah, why not? You are a Dem after all.

So, I'm sure you'll forgive me if I didn't rebut the rest of the garbage that you wrote.

You mean the part where lockdowns led to sick and even dead kids? Yeah, I did not expect you to even try on that. All you dumb Dems have done for two years is blather on about how great lockdowns are and completely ignore all the devastating effects from them.

If the lockdowns worked so great and there are so many cases, why are you not isolating now?

[ScatManDoo]

If the Dem. Leadership keeps this up they will lose control of everything and hopefully they will set there party back 10-20 years.

Anyone who does not know the difference between "there" and "their" well enough to use the correct word.

Is too ignorant to waste my time debating.

[DramaFree11]

Not for several years. So did you have a point?

Do you ever use Google?

Roughly 1 out of 10 hospital deaths are related to blood clots in the lungs.
Blood clots are a leading cause of preventable hospital death in the United States.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/dvt/hospi...fographic.html

Oh my God! Were you sober when you wrote this? You're still trying to rationalize that your prediction of 80,000 US deaths from CoVid wasn't a foolish uninformed guess.

"You see it wasn't my fault, I didn't take into consideration all the comorbidities. They were destined to die anyway. "

Another falsehood spread by (so called) conservatives.

Do hospitals get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death?

No, hospitals do not get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death.

https://www.verifythis.com/article/n...2-0ff482593afd

If you were to verify the information in detail you would see that in 2020 Congress passed a bill to pay hospitals more for Medicare's care and treatment of CoVid patients. Which kind of made good sense. Isolation and treatment in ICUs sometimes with Ventilators are costly.

And if Sweden had acted more responsibly as did their neighbors they would have been in the bottom 10% and saved many lives.

The vaccines stopped most people from catching CoVid in for first place, and those that did have had a far higher survival rate. That seems like "doing something". Oh and your constant battle-cry. the vaccines do not prevent transmission is nonsensical. If people don't get the virus because they were vaccinated how are they going to transmit something they don't have??

THAT is the reason the original strains of CoVid disappeared and mutated into a more virulent but less harmful strain. The vaccines are not very effective against the Omnicron variant but the death rate is dramatically lower.

We all remember how wrong you were. China had, perhaps, the most severe lockdown anywhere. The whole Wuhan province was isolated and everyone was tested and every positive test had contact testing and contacts of contacts testing. China had far less deaths as a result. So now they are having a resurgence of CoVid but it is the Omnicron strain. I suppose Asians are more compliant in these situations.

As usual you blather on and on and on. I eventually get tired to doing the research and correcting all your misstatements. So, I'm sure you'll forgive me if I didn't rebut the rest of the garbage that you wrote.

M.

This is crazy, hosptial definitely got money for Covid. Also, I have friends in Mxico that got money if they signed off if someone had Covid. You really think the Covid test is 100% accurate, Hell no. I also have friends that got all 4 vaccines and still got Covid.

[Gino02]

Are people here on this thread still trying to justify Biden as a successful POTUS (who doesn't take any accountability and blames others for every mess), or finally admit that he's a total failure and ready to get rid of him (actually get rid of his puppeteers)?

Happy Almost Birthday to USA! Let's be honest to ourselves guys. Peace Love Unity Respect.

[Elvis 2008]

Did the coin flip tell you which way to go those other times too?

Nah, it is not a coin flip. There are way more than 2 sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrIfa7gSqsY

Brian Kelly case scenario #1: Inflation goes down to 5%. Fed has said they want to have neutral rates. That means they raise to 5%. Market goes down 70% and I am up 200+%.

BK scenario #2: Inflation goes to 10% next year. Fed goes to 10%. Market crashes 90% and my gains are in the stratosphere.

Santelli scenario: Money is pulled out of the market via massive unemployment. Market goes down 50%. I am up 150%. Argument with Santelli from traders is the Fed has said that unemployment is Biden's job not theirs. Santelli thinks the Fed will back off even though they have said they will not.

Your scenario: Biden waives a magic wand and oil floods the market as the Red Sea parts. Supply chains are mended overnight. China comes back on line but demand from them is way less than anticipated which does not cause inflation to rise. The Russia-Ukraine war is over, and Russian oil comes back on the market. Inflation craters to 2%. If all that happens and Biden is the miracle worker you think, that means prices in the stock market stay where they are.

For stocks to go up, it is not enough that oil demand and supply match each other. No, we have to be swimming in oil, and the only scenario I see with which that can happen is a recession that destroys demand. As for alternatives like electric cars, the lithium in the batteries of cars like Teslas is up 500%.

I do not invest in the stock market unless oil supply way outstrips demand because that is when there is low inflation. So Eih, my question to you is where is all this fucking oil going to come from Gramps? Your ass?

[Axel Heyst]

It really is Emperor's New Clothers-tier stuff.

They developed a vaccine for smallpox, based around injecting people with dead smallpox cells, and smallpox went away.

They developed a vaccine for measles, and measles went away.

They developed a vaccine for polio, and polio went away.

They developed a "vaccine" (actually untested RNA-altering fuckery with no long-term safety studies, as we are tragically finding out) for covid. And covid is still just as prevalent as ever.

And yet the fake news media tell you it's a total success, lionise the liar Fauci, and have late night TV skits with dancing needles.

Rather like telling you trannies are women, the border is secure, inflation is caused by Putin, and the world is going to end in ten years, it's yet another example of the complete divergence of the democrat / media / left narrative from factual reality.

Yes, Joseph Goebbels, the German Minister of Propaganda 1933 - 1945, would be proud of his step child, the Woke Media. He invented the mass propaganda technique and enjoyed great success with it until it all came tumbling down in rubble with Allied bombs and Russian tanks.

Happy 4th of July everybody. It is time for Americans to Stand Up for Your Country.

[Villainy]

Do you see any difference in death rates and case rates since the vaccine was developed?
Based on the shape of the graphs, and if you did not know when the vaccines were developed and deployed, can you tell when the vaccine was widely deployed?

I think you are focused on the US because there is a higher percentage of people who listen to crackpot analysts and so didn't use masks and didn't get vaccinated. So let's look at several European countries where the CoVid threat was taken more seriously and see if we can notice any trends once the vaccines were developed and widely made available shall we?

United Kingdom: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/gb.

Belgium: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/be.

Netherlands: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/nl.

Switzerland: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/ch.

Germany: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/de.

France: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/fr.

Italy: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/fr.

Spain: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/es.

The pattern is pretty obvious and consistent. From March 2020 through about April or May 2021 the deaths from CoVid were very high and afterwards (other than a spike in December-January 2022) not so much.

In the last 6 months very very little.

[Villainy]

ROFL. I must admit I kinda admire Hunter. He is a ZFG dude. He wants to smoke crack and bang supermodel-looking hookers in Ukraine, he gets his dad to send him money and probably gets the secret service to ferry over the girls and gear. He wants to bang his dead brother's wife and diddle his nieces, he just does it. He wants to get megabucks kickbacks from China and Ukraine, he just tells them he will fuck their shit up unless they give it to him (with 10% for the big guy) and they do. He wants to shoot some shit up, he illegally obtains a firearm then orders the secret service to get rid of it for him.

He knows that there are no rules if you are related to a top-level democrat, and so he does whatever the fuck he wants with zero consequences. What a life.

I think he learned it from the Trump kids.

[EihTooms]

Hahaha republican women are smarter, they don't fuck around without being on pill or without protection. That 67% is by your MSM pollsters hoping for getting a bounce from the failed Buyden actions, just wait till November for real numbers LOL.

Clarence Thomas, a very Republican man married to an even more Republican woman, has already put contraception in the bullseye for the Very Big Government Everywhere Especially In Your Bedroom Repub majority SCOTUS. Probably under orders from his wife.

See, once they ruled there is no Right To Privacy under the law, this Repub majority SCOTUS essentially ruled that if and when your birth control method of choice fails, which they all can at anytime even my vasectomy, it's Happy Father's Day to you with financial support for the next 18 years.

If they succeed as hoped for and planned, there will be no exceptions to that outcome and no ultimate legal remedy anywhere in the country.

Which marks the end of Sex-For-Pleasure and restricts it to For The Purpose of Preocreation in America whether you wanted it that way or not.

[Villainy]

GOP women are not baby butchers

I guess in your high-school biology class you were absent the day they discussed the difference between a baby and a fetus.

[Villainy]

But you know someone who died of a heart attack, cancer, or car accident right?

Not for several years. So did you have a point?

The facts are that 9 out of 10 people who die in a hospital have blood clots in their lungs upon death, and that was before Covid.

Do you ever use Google?

Roughly 1 out of 10 hospital deaths are related to blood clots in the lungs.
Blood clots are a leading cause of preventable hospital death in the United States.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/dvt/hospi...fographic.html

So with just this one fact, nine out of ten hospital deaths can be attributed to Covid even if Covid had nothing to do with the clots.

Oh my God! Were you sober when you wrote this? You're still trying to rationalize that your prediction of 80,000 US deaths from CoVid wasn't a foolish uninformed guess.

"You see it wasn't my fault, I didn't take into consideration all the comorbidities. They were destined to die anyway. "

But worse than that, there was financial incentive for those making the cause of death decision to say it was Covid.

Another falsehood spread by (so called) conservatives.

Do hospitals get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death?

No, hospitals do not get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death.

https://www.verifythis.com/article/n...2-0ff482593afd

If you were to verify the information in detail you would see that in 2020 Congress passed a bill to pay hospitals more for Medicare's care and treatment of CoVid patients. Which kind of made good sense. Isolation and treatment in ICUs sometimes with Ventilators are costly.

Sweden is in the bottom 25% of Covid cases in Europe. Saying Sweden's Covid policy was a failure as it pertains to the general population is just beyond stupid. If you want to reward government policy as the only thing that matter with regards to Covid, a Democratic invention and dubious one at that, Sweden did great.

And if Sweden had acted more responsibly as did their neighbors they would have been in the bottom 10% and saved many lives.

Wrong! You are trying to credit the vaccines with "doing something". The virus was mutating before the vaccines, and the vaccines do not prevent transmission.

The vaccines stopped most people from catching CoVid in for first place, and those that did have had a far higher survival rate. That seems like "doing something". Oh and your constant battle-cry. the vaccines do not prevent transmission is nonsensical. If people don't get the virus because they were vaccinated how are they going to transmit something they don't have??

THAT is the reason the original strains of CoVid disappeared and mutated into a more virulent but less harmful strain. The vaccines are not very effective against the Omnicron variant but the death rate is dramatically lower.

Americans were told repeatedly by the news media that Asian nations were models with regards to the prevention of Covid and how stupid Trump was. My projection on deaths was based upon the data patteren available at the time and then the data changed. When you Dems were holding Asian nations up as models (like you bash Sweden and its model), I was saying just you wait those countries will get theirs. It is funny how you do not remember that.

We all remember how wrong you were. China had, perhaps, the most severe lockdown anywhere. The whole Wuhan province was isolated and everyone was tested and every positive test had contact testing and contacts of contacts testing. China had far less deaths as a result. So now they are having a resurgence of CoVid but it is the Omnicron strain. I suppose Asians are more compliant in these situations.

As usual you blather on and on and on. I eventually get tired to doing the research and correcting all your misstatements. So, I'm sure you'll forgive me if I didn't rebut the rest of the garbage that you wrote.

[PVMonger]

Exactly. When the vaccine was first given, it met the FDA's criteria. When the effectiveness of the vaccine plunged below 50%, the vaccine really should have been pulled off the market or at least called experimental. To me, if people wanted to take it at that point, if they gave informed consent, that would have been fine, but that is not what happened. The vaccine was mandated. Worse, new criteria were used for effectiveness and the control group which is supposed to be identical or as close as possible to the treated group was just pulled out of thin air. It was the unscientific unvaxxed versus vaxxed.

And then there were no control groups at all for the third and fourth vaccine. There were also no double blind studies done on the newer variants. Even though the vaccine was made for the alpha variant, we were just told to pretend it was as good for the newer variants even though we knew that was not true.

You remember the comparisons of the Covid vaccine to the polio vaccine?

Polio was once one of the most feared diseases in the USA In the early 1950's, before polio vaccines were available, polio outbreaks caused more than 15,000 cases of paralysis each year. Following introduction of vaccinesspecifically, trivalent inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) in 1955 and trivalent oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) in 1963 the number of polio cases fell rapidly to less than 100 in the 1960's and fewer than 10 in the 1970's.

Now look here, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/.

Do you see any difference in death rates and case rates since the vaccine was developed?

Based on the shape of the graphs, and if you did not know when the vaccines were developed and deployed, can you tell when the vaccine was widely deployed?

I sure as hell cannot, but I sure as hell can with polio. You literally have to dive deep into the data to show any benefit at all, but the reason the vaccine was approved, a 95% decrease in transmission, is totally gone. All other claims of benefit have not been scientifically proven. All you have are claims of benefit and unknown risk. No one can make an accurate risk-benefit assessment of the vaccine right now unless you are a Democrat. Then you know.

It is funny though how Covid even as it hitting 100,000 cases now miraculously is out of the news and all that venom against anti-vaxxers has left the building.

We'd all better listen because ELVIS the MD knows all. He doesn't provide any sources for any of this BS because when you make stuff up, there aren't any sources.