American Politics

[PVMonger]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480558/

"The evidence base investigating the effects of facemask usage on patient-based outcomes is, in general, more extensive than that of surgeon-centred outcomes. Facemasks do have a clear role in maintaining the social cleanliness of surgical staff, but evidence is lacking to suggest that they confer protection from infection either to patients or to the surgeons that wear them. ".

Yeah, I got it, so surgeons wearing masks are customary, tradition without any evidence. And your blaming Trump for the pandemic is also without proven evidence and is a tradition.

And your saying following the science is bullshit too. There were a few anecdotal reports suggesting masks worked but it was never proven they did, and the study PVM cited was that masks "worked" was a fucking joke..

The real reasons you don't like the study I linked to are: (1) The study was from Bangladesh; and (2) the study is outside your confirmation bias.

And please, please stop with the "blaming the Orange Buffoon for the pandemic" hogwash. Nobody blames Hair Furor for the pandemic. We blame him for screwing up the US response to the pandemic. There is a difference, even if every Republican on the face of the earth is too stupid to realize it. Cheeto Tweeto was even so stupid as to admit to his screwups to Bob Woodward.

See, that's what the supporters of the one-term, twice-impeached, former POtuS always get wrong. Every time the Orange Doofus said "I'm not going to wear a mask", his dumber-than-dogshit supporters said "I won't wear a mask either". Every time the Mango Mussolini said "Inject disinfectant and shove a lightbulb up your ass", his idiotic supporters thought "Yep, that's what I'll do". Every time the Orange Buffoon said anything negative about COVID, his moronic followers believed every word he said. This was compounded, of course, by the complicit rightwingnut media who promoted every cockamamie idea that came down the pike. "The vaccine contains microchips", "The vaccine doesn't work", "Ivermectin works" et cetera.

The simple fact that the US has a higher death rate from COVID that virtually every other first world country in the world proves that Donnie the Dumbass screwed up our response.

President Biden's main failing was thinking that every moronic Republican would actually get vaccinated or wear a mask or socially distance or do any of the things that socially responsible people do. He failed to realize that Republicans preferred dying to doing what was right for the rest of the citizens of the US. Any Dem could have told him that Republicans wouldn't do what was right. Unfortunately he had too much faith in them. Donnie didn't, of course, because he said more than once that he loved the uneducated.

[EihTooms]

Diseases suppressed during Covid are coming back in new and peculiar ways

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/10/flu-...ndroidappshare

Weve never seen a flu season in the U.S. extend into June, Dr. Scott Roberts, associate medical director for infection prevention at Yale New Haven Hospital, told CNBC Tuesday.

Covid has clearly had a very big impact on that. Now that people have unmasked, places are opening up, were seeing viruses behave in very odd ways that they werent before, he said.

And flu is just the beginning.

Guess what. Masking in surgical rooms became a "tradition" in the USA soon after 1918. Let's see if any stable geniuses here can figure out why.

Hint: For the same reason they would have become a "tradition" after 2020 if they hadn't been a "tradition" already.

If the world were as scrubbed down, sterilized and everyone in it as checked and sanitized as people in an operating room, I suppose mask -wearing would have shown only minimal protection against infection in this regard.

But only between 1918 and 2020.

Then new "traditional" rules applied. And for a very good reason.

[EihTooms]

Still looking for anyone pleaded guilty or convicted guilty for ballot stuffing (which is way more worse than few people voting twice) for GOP, like there's many for Democrats (just Google it man). Got any?

And, you say Dems are better than GOP, but this Dems ballot stuffing guilty plea brings Dems at least at the same level as GOP, agreed now?

Jan 6. panel says Scott Perry among multiple GOP lawmakers who wanted Trump pardon

https://thehill.com/news/house/35183...-trump-pardon/

Rep. Scott Perry (R-Penn) was one of multiple GOP lawmakers who asked President Trump for pardons given their roles in seeking to unwind the 2020 election results, the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol said in its first hearing Thursday night.

See, in order for them to qualify for the so-called potus pardon they were requesting, they had to acknowledge and admit they were guilty of the crime of trying to cancel all the votes and overturning the entire election.

How many baskets would be needed to hold all the GOP votes they tried to "stuff" with that one?

[EihTooms]

Still looking for anyone pleaded guilty or convicted guilty for ballot stuffing (which is way more worse than few people voting twice) for GOP, like there's many for Democrats (just Google it man). Got any?

And, you say Dems are better than GOP, but this Dems ballot stuffing guilty plea brings Dems at least at the same level as GOP, agreed now?

North Carolina GOP Operative Faces New Felony Charges That Allege Ballot Fraud

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/74680...e-ballot-fraud

The charges relate to the tainted 9th congressional district election last year in which Republican Mark Harris led in the unofficial vote tally by a margin of about 900 votes over Democrat Dan McCready. But the election results were overturned by the state after an investigation into an absentee ballot operation on Harris' behalf suggested that Dowless had improperly collected and possibly tampered with ballots.

North Carolina operative indicted in ballot fraud scandal that led to new House election

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ess-indictment

That one actually changed the outcome of an election and required a new election!

[EihTooms]

Still looking for anyone pleaded guilty or convicted guilty for ballot stuffing (which is way more worse than few people voting twice) for GOP, like there's many for Democrats (just Google it man). Got any?

And, you say Dems are better than GOP, but this Dems ballot stuffing guilty plea brings Dems at least at the same level as GOP, agreed now?

Repub so-called potus Trump told his Repub voters they ought to vote twice.

Repub so-called potus Trump incited a violent mob to riot, storm the Capitol, attack, maim and kill cops to prevent the official submission of ALL the votes and EC awards in the country.

How does that compare with a bit of ineffectual ballot stuffing by a former state representative?

[EihTooms]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480558/

"The evidence base investigating the effects of facemask usage on patient-based outcomes is, in general, more extensive than that of surgeon-centred outcomes. Facemasks do have a clear role in maintaining the social cleanliness of surgical staff, but evidence is lacking to suggest that they confer protection from infection either to patients or to the surgeons that wear them. ".

Yeah, I got it, so surgeons wearing masks are customary, tradition without any evidence. And your blaming Trump for the pandemic is also without proven evidence and is a tradition.

And your saying following the science is bullshit too. There were a few anecdotal reports suggesting masks worked but it was never proven they did, and the study PVM cited was that masks "worked" was a fucking joke.

So yeah, I repeat, Trump is responsible for a million Covid deaths and Biden is responsible for none. We got it. It is your tradition, and it is proof that you are fucking nuts.

Were those opinions concluded in the midst of a deadly airborne virus Pandemic outside and inside the hospital?

Nope.

Ask them if they would have strongly recommended wearing a mask just inches away from an open wound in July 2020 when so-called potus Trump was still in full swing dismissing anyone in the world bother to invent or take a vaccine for Trump's Pandemic virus.

Another swing and a miss by you.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Yeah, your good friend Bernie's expanded message is that the Dems need to make it clear to the American people that "conservatives" of both parties are Do Nothing corporate hack bullshitters and if you want good things for America, vote 'them out.

That would include every Repub in both houses of Congress and 2 Dem Senators:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...terms-00038183

Thanks for the lead to your good friend Bernie's full message. I've been stating that same message for decades.

https://anncoulter.com/2022/05/25/th...black-america/

[Elvis 2008]

And, of course, in the midst of something like Trump's Pandemic, one never knows for certain if you are the infected one today or not. Consequently, everyone in the room needs to wear a mask for the mitigation measure to work as intended.

See, a study that shows someone wearing a mask will still inhale much of whatever is airborne in the room misses the point. But those types love to miss the point. So they cite those studies.

The mask is meant more to reduce the amount of potential bad bugs otherwise exhaled freely and unfiltered into a room, not so much to prevent whatever does get past that mask and into the air from being inhaled by everyone else in the room, masked or not.

Here's an easy way to illustrate how much they miss the point. Well, it ought to be easy:

When doctors and nurses wear masks while performing a surgical procedure, it isn't so much to prevent them from catching something in the air coming out of the open wound they made in the chest of a go-go bar girl getting the boob job today. No, it is more to prevent whatever they might have caught at the pub last night, a cold virus, the flu virus, the measles, chicken pox, whatever, from being expelled directly into the open wound they just made in their patient.

Get it now, guys?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480558/

"The evidence base investigating the effects of facemask usage on patient-based outcomes is, in general, more extensive than that of surgeon-centred outcomes. Facemasks do have a clear role in maintaining the social cleanliness of surgical staff, but evidence is lacking to suggest that they confer protection from infection either to patients or to the surgeons that wear them. ".

Yeah, I got it, so surgeons wearing masks are customary, tradition without any evidence. And your blaming Trump for the pandemic is also without proven evidence and is a tradition.

And your saying following the science is bullshit too. There were a few anecdotal reports suggesting masks worked but it was never proven they did, and the study PVM cited was that masks "worked" was a fucking joke.

So yeah, I repeat, Trump is responsible for a million Covid deaths and Biden is responsible for none. We got it. It is your tradition, and it is proof that you are fucking nuts.

[PVMonger]

I think the part of the highly effective proper mask wearing mitigation measure that JustTK and others like him keep missing is that the mask works more to reduce the amount of possible virus particles expelled by the mask wearer into the air rather than to prevent them from inhaling whatever is in the air around them. The more virus particles get trapped or filtered out of an infected person wearing a mask, the fewer particles per million are circulating in the space for anyone else with or without a mask to inhale.

And, of course, in the midst of something like Trump's Pandemic, one never knows for certain if you are the infected one today or not. Consequently, everyone in the room needs to wear a mask for the mitigation measure to work as intended.

See, a study that shows someone wearing a mask will still inhale much of whatever is airborne in the room misses the point. But those types love to miss the point. So they cite those studies.

The mask is meant more to reduce the amount of potential bad bugs otherwise exhaled freely and unfiltered into a room, not so much to prevent whatever does get past that mask and into the air from being inhaled by everyone else in the room, masked or not.

Here's an easy way to illustrate how much they miss the point. Well, it ought to be easy:

RethugliKKKans are too stupid to "get it". They are, as a group, too stupid to get vaccinated but are smart enough to drink bleach while trying to shove a lightbulb up their asses like the Orange Buffoon suggested.

[Gino02]

Gas, diapers, essential items will be tax-free in Florida.

https://www.facebook.com/alan.hanes....68380557418282

That's how a good Governor takes care of his people during an inflation crisis. In addition to always no income tax in the state.

[Gino02]

Oh look! A rare case of a Dem committing voter / election fraud instead of a Repub.

Happy?

The Pattern of GOP Voter Fraud
In case after case from 2020, it turns out that Republicans were the ones misbehaving at the ballot box.

https://www.thebulwark.com/the-patte...p-voter-fraud/

Still looking for anyone pleaded guilty or convicted guilty for ballot stuffing (which is way more worse than few people voting twice) for GOP, like there's many for Democrats (just Google it man). Got any?

And, you say Dems are better than GOP, but this Dems ballot stuffing guilty plea brings Dems at least at the same level as GOP, agreed now?

[EihTooms]

https://politicalwire.com/2022/06/09...-the-day-3229/

Yeah, your good friend Bernie's expanded message is that the Dems need to make it clear to the American people that "conservatives" of both parties are Do Nothing corporate hack bullshitters and if you want good things for America, vote 'them out.

That would include every Repub in both houses of Congress and 2 Dem Senators:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...terms-00038183

"Say to the American people: Look, we dont have the votes to do it right now. We have two corporate Democrats who are not going to be with us, Sanders said, referring to Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.).

The leadership has got to go out and say we don't have the votes to pass anything significant right now. Sorry. You got 48 votes. And we need more to pass it. That should be the message of this campaign.

Thanks for the lead to your good friend Bernie's full message. I've been stating that same message for decades.

[Elvis 2008]

I'll show you examples of you praising the Orange Buffoon when you show examples of the RCTs that prove unequivocably that masks don't help stop the spread of COVID. "A randomized-trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh during the COVID-19 pandemic shows that the intervention increased mask usage and reduced symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health. " https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi9069.

"The proportion of individuals with COVID-19 like symptoms was 7. 63% (N = 12,784) in the intervention arm and 8. 60% (N = 13,287) in the control arm, an estimated 11.6% reduction after controlling for baseline covariates."

Covid like symptoms does not mean you even have Covid.

"the intervention reduced symptomatic seroprevalence by 9.5% (control prevalence = 0.76%; treatment prevalence = 0.68%.

And wearing a mask lowered your chance of testing + for Covid from 0.76% to 0.68%? And you think that is important?

And where does it say masks saved lives?

You just linked a study showing how fucking worthless masks are and were.

[EihTooms]

I'll show you examples of you praising the Orange Buffoon when you show examples of the RCTs that prove unequivocably that masks don't help stop the spread of COVID. "A randomized-trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh during the COVID-19 pandemic shows that the intervention increased mask usage and reduced symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health. " https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi9069.

I think the part of the highly effective proper mask wearing mitigation measure that JustTK and others like him keep missing is that the mask works more to reduce the amount of possible virus particles expelled by the mask wearer into the air rather than to prevent them from inhaling whatever is in the air around them. The more virus particles get trapped or filtered out of an infected person wearing a mask, the fewer particles per million are circulating in the space for anyone else with or without a mask to inhale.

And, of course, in the midst of something like Trump's Pandemic, one never knows for certain if you are the infected one today or not. Consequently, everyone in the room needs to wear a mask for the mitigation measure to work as intended.

See, a study that shows someone wearing a mask will still inhale much of whatever is airborne in the room misses the point. But those types love to miss the point. So they cite those studies.

The mask is meant more to reduce the amount of potential bad bugs otherwise exhaled freely and unfiltered into a room, not so much to prevent whatever does get past that mask and into the air from being inhaled by everyone else in the room, masked or not.

Here's an easy way to illustrate how much they miss the point. Well, it ought to be easy:

When doctors and nurses wear masks while performing a surgical procedure, it isn't so much to prevent them from catching something in the air coming out of the open wound they made in the chest of a go-go bar girl getting the boob job today. No, it is more to prevent whatever they might have caught at the pub last night, a cold virus, the flu virus, the measles, chicken pox, whatever, from being expelled directly into the open wound they just made in their patient.

Get it now, guys?

[EihTooms]

Still waiting for opinions on this news from our Democrat experts here, but so far crickets! Can someone please help us naive Republicans on what to learn from this guilty plea on ballot stuffing? Thanks in advance.

Oh look! A rare case of a Dem committing voter / election fraud instead of a Repub.

Happy?

The Pattern of GOP Voter Fraud
In case after case from 2020, it turns out that Republicans were the ones misbehaving at the ballot box.

https://www.thebulwark.com/the-patte...p-voter-fraud/