American Politics

[Gino02]

You guys, just make shit up. There was not 6.5 million deaths, this ridiculous. Property 30-40% of the deaths had major pre-existing conditions. If they would have gotten just a common cold many would have died. One death is too many, but you guys just make shit up.

These guys still support Buyden, you can't expect them to not make shit up. That's how they put this moron in the White House anyway.

[DramaFree11]

The USA has 7. 5% of global deaths? Where did you pull that figure from? There have been about 6. 3 million COVID deaths worldwide according to Worldometers. The US has more than a million of those deaths. Maybe you learned math in a Republican school but the Democratic school that I went to taught that 1 million divided by 6. 3 million is about 15%. But I said specifically "when Cheeto Tweeto left office" which you, obviously, chose to ignore. At that time, we had about 20% of the world's deaths. We still have about 4% of the world's population. The Orange Buffoon is responsible for a good percentage of those million deaths.

Look at the Worldometers link https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Then sort it by "deaths per million people". Look at the countries with more deaths than the US. All of them are "poor" countries. Then look at Canada, our relatively wealthy northern neighbor. Their death rate is 1/3 of ours. They were more vigilant and more restrictive than the US. So sure, the restrictions didn't work.

Most of what President Biden hasn't gotten done is because the MAGAt party has filibustered virtually everything.

By the way, the Venezuelans can vote out Maduro any time they want just like the US voted out the Orange Buffoon.

You guys, just make shit up. There was not 6.5 million deaths, this ridiculous. Property 30-40% of the deaths had major pre-existing conditions. If they would have gotten just a common cold many would have died. One death is too many, but you guys just make shit up.

[EihTooms]

Right on cue:

Fox & Friends fearmongers that the largest-ever migrant caravan is gathering in Mexico
Co-host Brian Kilmeade: There's over 10,000 illegal immigrants set to storm our borders, two thirds of which are women and children who then become our responsibility to clothe, to food, to school

https://www.mediamatters.org/brian-k...thering-mexico

I long for the day when Repubs can truthfully and accurately run for election on their record of positive economic, national security and foreign policy results being at least marginally competitive to those of their Dem opponents. Can't recall a time when they could do that over the past several decades. Instead, they have to run on hyped up irrelevant social war issues to con suckers into voting for them.

I hope the caravan is filled with applicants for some of the millions of jobs Biden and the Dems have created in this Great Dem Recovery from the recent Great Repub Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction that have gone unfilled to date.

[EihTooms]

Well, if he promised it, then its a broken promise, right? . And in reality, all it takes are a few significant ones to each voter and they will lose confidence. . I also don't think you should lend so much weight to criticism Trump for everything. I'ts not true and also it's not great optics.

I think you should not work so hard to "Bothside" consistent Dem economic recoveries, expansion and historic jobs creation with consistent Great Repub Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction. Doing that only serves to help Repubs produce more Great Recessions, destroy millions more USA jobs and makes it look like that is your goal.

[PVMonger]

Right! And you just can't see it, can you? You do it every time. You divert the discussion in to smthg you can attack. Whether X or why is partisan is irrelevant to the discussion.

Whether or not a source is partisan is the central premise of the discussion. For instance, I can guarantee that some source, somewhere, says that the earth is flat. But everybody in their right mind knows that the earth is not flat. So if I say that the earth is flat and cite that source as proof, my argument is invalid.

[PVMonger]

Right. There is no evidence. Only speculation, as you point out yourself. Yes, the USA has one of the worst death rates (nowhere near as bad as you claim, but still bad. USA has about 7. 5% of global deaths), but you can only speculate that the response dept would have had a meaningful positive effect. Same goes for Biden.

Again, total deflection. What does this have to do with Biden's record of broken promises?

Again, deflection. Many countries have mabragoed Venezuela bcos of USA intimidation and alliances. If Biden ended the embargo, he would end the oil crisis. And the immoral starvation of the Venezuelan people.

I don't understand this last comment. Are you asking me what I think the USA should have done? It should have respected the NATO promises that it made since 1990 - more broken promises by both Dems and Reps. Now it should be advocating for a peace settlment, not promoting a proxy war where Ukrainians die for the benefit of USA economic interests.

The USA has 7. 5% of global deaths? Where did you pull that figure from? There have been about 6. 3 million COVID deaths worldwide according to Worldometers. The US has more than a million of those deaths. Maybe you learned math in a Republican school but the Democratic school that I went to taught that 1 million divided by 6. 3 million is about 15%. But I said specifically "when Cheeto Tweeto left office" which you, obviously, chose to ignore. At that time, we had about 20% of the world's deaths. We still have about 4% of the world's population. The Orange Buffoon is responsible for a good percentage of those million deaths.

Look at the Worldometers link https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Then sort it by "deaths per million people". Look at the countries with more deaths than the US. All of them are "poor" countries. Then look at Canada, our relatively wealthy northern neighbor. Their death rate is 1/3 of ours. They were more vigilant and more restrictive than the US. So sure, the restrictions didn't work.

Most of what President Biden hasn't gotten done is because the MAGAt party has filibustered virtually everything.

By the way, the Venezuelans can vote out Maduro any time they want just like the US voted out the Orange Buffoon.

[JustTK]

The problem with your list is the partisan authors count as "broken" anything Biden hasn't gotten done in the first 17 months of his presidency while Trump's Pandemic continues to spin in new, economy crippling directions.

Well, if he promised it, then its a broken promise, right? . And in reality, all it takes are a few significant ones to each voter and they will lose confidence. . I also don't think you should lend so much weight to criticisng Trump for everything. I'ts not true and also it's not great optics.

[Paulie97]

Trump is not to blame. That being said he needs to go away and let all of us move on with our lives.

Nothing including Trump is stopping you from moving on with your life. All that prevents that is your incessant whining. If you live in the states or Western Europe you have a quality of life most people can only dream of, even while paying $5 for a gallon of gas. If you can afford to buy hookers then you can pay $5 for a gallon of gas. Much of the problem here in the states is people buying far more vehicle than they need, giant pickups and SUVs, serves them right when gas prices hike. Compare your life to your typical peasant during the Middle Ages, WOW. If you are waiting for all the world news to turn good before you can enjoy yourself then you will be waiting forever.

As to the pandemic, I'll take a moment to confirm that I called it exactly, that it would last two to three years. That's the same as all the other pandemics since the beginning of recorded history. It's easy for those that could ignore the online right wingnut conspiracy theories and fake science, read a history book, and acquire a bit of patience. And balanced mitigation measures made sense to keep hospitals from overflowing, and to buy time until we could develop vaccines and effective treatments.

[JustTK]

No evidence? Of what? That the lack of the pandemic response team had no effect? When the Orange Buffoon left office, the US had 20% of worldwide deaths with only 4% of worldwide population. Virtually every single one of the wealthiest countries in the world did better than that! The Pandemic Response Team might have had an impact.

Right. There is no evidence. Only speculation, as you point out yourself. Yes, the USA has one of the worst death rates (nowhere near as bad as you claim, but still bad. USA has about 7. 5% of global deaths), but you can only speculate that the response dept would have had a meaningful positive effect. Same goes for Biden.

But Corporal Bone Spurs actions, lies and general incompetence caused the vast majority of US deaths. Drink bleach! Shove a lightbulb up your ass! Don't wear a mask! Take sheep dip! Don't get vaccinated! It will magically disappear! It is a hoax!

Again, total deflection. What does this have to do with Biden's record of broken promises?

Venezuelan oil? You realize that Cheeto Tweeto banned Venezuelan oil in 2017. And virtually the entire world has banned imports of Venezuelan oil. But sure, let's support Maduro by bringing in his oil.

Again, deflection. Many countries have mabragoed Venezuela bcos of USA intimidation and alliances. If Biden ended the embargo, he would end the oil crisis. And the immoral starvation of the Venezuelan people.

Are another Republican idiot who thinks that Biden should have attacked Russia pre-emptively? Or done nothing?

I don't understand this last comment. Are you asking me what I think the USA should have done? It should have respected the NATO promises that it made since 1990 - more broken promises by both Dems and Reps. Now it should be advocating for a peace settlment, not promoting a proxy war where Ukrainians die for the benefit of USA economic interests.

[JustTK]

Who attacked the messenger? I attacked the facts that: 1. Politifact is non-partisan; and 2. RNC Research is partisan.

Right! And you just can't see it, can you? You do it EVERY TIME. You divert the discussion in to smthg you can attack. Whether X or why is partisan is irrelevant to the discussion.

[JustTK]

I'll add this to the Nothing To Refute Trump Being To Blame list
1 in 10,000 Americans have the slightest clue why gas prices are so high and your tortured reasoning barely touches on it. Meanwhile, everything in global Supply-Chains shot up due to the whipsaw 2 year Low Demand Crash vs 17 month Recovery High Demand / Low Supply issue, not just gas.
Which, again, has nothing whatsoever to do with anything Biden either did or didn't do. In stark contrast to why Trump's disastrous economic stewardship is much to blame for the economic disaster of Trump's Pandemic.

You can deny it all you want, but the truth is that you are in the minority. The majority of USAns now recognise that Biden has broken lots of promises to THEM. What is it now, 67% of them?

What was the big one he ran on? Build back better? The Stimulation package he promnised and failed to deliver. Yet he had plenty of cash to spend on new miliitary. Likesays, you cannot see it, but most USAns can.

[Xpartan]

Looks like all the staff from the defunct "Disinformation Governance Board" joined this board LOL.

"Economic issues top the public's agenda: POLL.

Only of 37% of Americans approve of Biden's handling of the economic recovery. ".

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/econ...ry?id=85183412

ByHannah Demissie.

June 05,2022, 6:00 AM.

For those who needs a reminder, MSM is biased against Trump and biased in favor of Buyden. So please add appropriate margins of errors to these MSM conducted polls.

Again, since you're so concerned with approval ratings, why didn't you care about Trump's approval rating that were more abysmal than any president's in the last 100+ years?

Last Trump Job Approval 34%; Average Is Record-Low 41%.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/328637/...ecord-low.aspx

[Travv]

Behind all our disasters there looms an ideology, a creed that ignores cause and effect in the real world—without a shred of concern for the damage done to those outside the political elite of the nomenclature.

Examine California and ask a series of simple questions. Why does the state that formerly served as a model to the nation regarding transportation now suffer inferior freeways while its multi billion-dollar high-speed rail project remains an utter boondoggle and failure? Why was its safe and critically needed last-remaining nuclear power plant scheduled for shutdown (and only recently reversed) as the state faced summer brownouts? Why did its forests go up in smoke predictably each summer, as its timber industry and the century-old science of forest management all but disappeared from the state? Why do the state's criminals so often evade indictment, and if convicted are often not incarcerated—or are quickly paroled? Why are its schools' test scores dismal, its gasoline the nation's highest-priced, and the streets of its major cities fetid and dangerous—in a fashion not true 50 years ago or elsewhere today?

In a word, the one-party state (of California) is Sovietized. Public policy is no longer empirical but subservient to green, diversity, equity, and inclusion dogmas—and detached from the reality of daily middle-class existence. Decline is ensured once ideology governs problem-solving rather than time-tested and successful policy making.

In a similar fashion, the common denominator in Joe Biden's two years of colossal failures is Soviet-like edicts of equity, climate change, and Neo-socialist redistribution that have ensured (for the non-elite, in any event) soaring inflation, unaffordable energy, rampant crime, and catastrophic illegal immigration. Playing the role of Pravda, Biden and his team simply denied things were bad, relabeled failure as success, and attacked his predecessor and critics as various sorts of counterrevolutionaries.

Biden rejected commonsense, bipartisan policies that in the past kept inflation low, energy affordable, crime controlled, and the border manageable. Instead, he superimposed leftist dogma on every decision, whose ideological purity, not real-life consequences for millions, was considered the measure of success.

The ultimate trajectory of a woke military was the fatal disgrace in Afghanistan. Ideologues in uniform kept claiming that the humiliating skedaddle was a logistical success and that misguided bombs that killed innocents were called a "righteous strike. " Afghanistan all summer of 2021 was to be Joe Biden's successful model of a graduated withdrawal in time for a 20th-anniversary commemoration of 9/11—until it suddenly wasn't. How predictable it was that the United States fled Kabul, abandoning not just billions of dollars worth of sophisticated weapons to terrorists, but also with Pride flags flying, George Floyd murals on public walls, and gender studies initiatives being carried out in the military ranks. Ask yourself: if a general during the Afghanistan debacle had brilliantly organized a sustainable and defensible corridor around Bagram Airfield but was known to be skeptical of Pentagon efforts to address climate change and diversity would he be praised or reviled?

Full article. Google Victor Davis Hanson Sovietization.

[EihTooms]

You are just wrong, you can use all your crazy data, but what matter is what the real America thinks and I guarantee, they are not happy and they are being destroyed by inflation, drugs and out of control violence.

Unlike you guys I hope I am wrong, but the economy is tanking, hopefully it will not get out of control.

Trump is not to blame. That being said he needs to go away and let all of us move on with our lives.

Well, if we're no longer going by the data and just on how Americans feel, then Biden is the most popular and appreciated elected official in a leadership position or entity in the Federal Government, where he polls better by anywhere from 12 to 20 percentage points than the Dem Majority and Repub Minority Leaders in the House and Senate as well as the House and Senate in general:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Americans hate and blame everyone in a leadership position for the high gas prices and inflation caused by Trump's disastrous economic decisions and stewardship going back to at least 2018 and certainly all through critical Trump's Pandemic year 2020.

But they hate and blame Joe Biden the least.

Now you guys can throw away your irrelevant "Biden broken promises" lists. We're going strictly on feelings now. And on that count, Americans feel Biden is doing a better job than anyone else in a position to do just about anything at all.

Go Joe!

[EihTooms]

So yet again you manage to make a dishonest interpretation of what I wrote. Your really fun to angage with.

ET asked for a list of promises so I gave him a list. Now you seek to discredit the list bcos of who wrote it. Attacking the messenger instead of the message. Why can't you engage with the message. The actual list of broken promises? Bcos it's easier to attack the messenger, that's why.

I already explained why I don't think politifact is a relevant source when assessing why people think Biden broke promises. Bcos the general public look at the promiises Biden made to them only. That's what the public is interested in. I didn't say politifact is credible or not. I just said I don't think it is relevant in this context.

But go ahead, and make stuff up and then attack that.

The problem with your list is the partisan authors count as "broken" anything Biden hasn't gotten done in the first 17 months of his presidency while Trump's Pandemic continues to spin in new, economy crippling directions.