American Politics

[PVMonger]

Yeah, I live in Texas, and oil workers are finally being hired back. If Trump were president and prices were this high, we would have seen this move months if not a year ago. I was out in the Pecos region back when it was exploding. I had never seen such a boom town. Thing is that Pecos was the tip of the iceberg. They did not even pipeline capacity to send out all the oil and some natural gas sadly had to be flared off.

There is no doubt that this president hates oil and gas. Everyone knows it. He wants the industry gone and because of that, the banks will not lend and the oil companies will not go back to hiring like they were. Canada, you are totally right, and PV monger is totally wrong. Biden is such an ass he even says climate change will promote jobs.

There is a lot of political exaggeration out there, but if Trump were still president, oil and gasoline would be half the price of what it is now. Period. The good thing about this is energy driven inflation leads to higher interest rates, and that is going to be what does in Biden. All these Dems are posting these economic numbers are ignoring how much the Fed increased its balance sheet and how much more the government went into debt. Oil production increased under Obama, and he knew the economics. He talked climate change but did not demonize oil companies. We have plenty of oil, and if we had a president that did not demonize the industry, we would be so much better off..

All of the experts say that you are full of it. But hey, what do they know? They're less informed than FUX "News" and their talking heads, right? "It's not the government that is banning them from drilling more. It's pressure from their shareholders," says an analyst from Raymond James. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/10/e...den/index.html.

The analyst's position is echoed by Forbes. https://www.forbes.com/sites/daneber...h=747e2363ddfc And by the Business Standard https://www.business-standard.com/ar...2500016_1.html.

But, hey, they're only experts and our resident fascists know everything. Just ask them.

And if you think that the OTTIFG was loved by the oil and gas industry, read the following from a Texas publication. The title of the article is Can Biden Really Be Any Worse for the Oil Patch Than Trump? https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-po...-drilling-ban/.

So, in essence, this is more bloviation by our resident, I-am-a-legend-in-my-own-mind fascists.

[Canada]

I meant the other way around of course. The radical right are MUCH WORSE than the radical left.

You were right on your first post. Don't be bullied to lie about it being the other way around. Your first instinct's are always correct.

[ScatManDoo]

During the January 6th insurrection rioting there were 140 police officer injured.

Which specific BLM protest had more than a dozen officers injured?

I think there was no BLM protest even come close.

In all the BLM protests of years 2020 and 2021 combined, how many police officers were injured?

Please show proof from a real news site that shows 140 officers hurt. Or I will just assume you made this up like the rest if your fabricated posts.

Are you serious Canada?

Are the sources you rely on for genuine news so narrow that you missed the Police Unions statements that were made in late January 2021?

The Police unions reported that 81 Capital Police Officers were assaulted and injured during the siege of the Capital. According to the Police Officer's Union an additional 65 District of Columbia Police Officers were also injured in the rioting that occurred outside and inside our Capital on January 6th. Other LE agencies also experienced and reported some injuries to their officers.

In Mainstream media I recall this being verified and being one of the most covered news stories in early February 2921. My guess is this was verified and covered by thousands of traditional news agencies.

Yet it is a surprise to you Canada?

What did you do Canada during the month of February 2021 other than read a short stack of Archies Comics?

[Axel Heyst]

In the 2022 USA The radical left are MUCH WORSE than the radical right. <snip>
I meant the other way around of course.

I thought it was a Freudian slip. KKK.

I don't know what radical right wing terrorist activity in 2022 you are referring to, but yeah, Antifa and BLM have been relatively quiet since they did their job in getting Biden elected in 2020. BTW, Black Lives Matter has halted their online fundraising after after attorneys general in California and Washington state demanded the group submit delinquent financial disclosures for 2020.

[PVMonger]

Can you understand when Biden creates a shortage of anything the price goes up?

Can you understand when USA production goes down that OPEC is going to take advantage of us.

It does not matter what commodity if there is a shortage prices go up.

That is why we have to drill our way out of this.

Gee, you understand "supply and demand" and yet somehow you don't know that the laws of supply and demand are universal. Shortages happen all the time. Was there a shortage of PPE during the pandemic? Was that Biden's fault? What about the shortage of TP? Was that Biden's fault too?

The only thing that needs drilling is your head to relieve the pressure. But, since there isn't anything there, oil people would call it a "dry hole".

[Elvis 2008]

Please explain. There were more people traveling in pre pandemic world in Trump presidency than today. Oil was $40 a barrel. Now $92. Biden cancels pipelines. Stops drilling permits on federal land. Reduces USA oil production from 12.2 million barrels a day to 11 million. Forces USA to buy more oil from OPEC and Russia. Yes Russia. Creates a shortage of domestic oil. OPEC raises prices because of USA shortages. Biden Begs OPEC to sell more oil to USA and OPEC raises prices again. 2021 oil companies stopped exploration. Biden is totally to blame. He created a shortage and now OPEC is taking advantage of it like they have in the past.

Yeah, I live in Texas, and oil workers are finally being hired back. If Trump were president and prices were this high, we would have seen this move months if not a year ago. I was out in the Pecos region back when it was exploding. I had never seen such a boom town. Thing is that Pecos was the tip of the iceberg. They did not even pipeline capacity to send out all the oil and some natural gas sadly had to be flared off.

There is no doubt that this president hates oil and gas. Everyone knows it. He wants the industry gone and because of that, the banks will not lend and the oil companies will not go back to hiring like they were. Canada, you are totally right, and PV monger is totally wrong. Biden is such an ass he even says climate change will promote jobs.

There is a lot of political exaggeration out there, but if Trump were still president, oil and gasoline would be half the price of what it is now. Period. The good thing about this is energy driven inflation leads to higher interest rates, and that is going to be what does in Biden. All these Dems are posting these economic numbers are ignoring how much the Fed increased its balance sheet and how much more the government went into debt. Oil production increased under Obama, and he knew the economics. He talked climate change but did not demonize oil companies. We have plenty of oil, and if we had a president that did not demonize the industry, we would be so much better off.

This is the worst energy policy since Nixon and Carter, and those polices led to a horrific economic mess. Biden's Covid policies are really annoying, but his energy policies are beyond stupid and they are going to do him in.

[Xpartan]

In the 2022 USA The radical left are MUCH WORSE than the radical right.

The proof's in the pudding as the adage goes. The radical right have been responsible for 75% terrorist acts in the latest years, while the radical left. For 25%.



https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...t-ones-in-2020

I meant the other way around of course. The radical right are MUCH WORSE than the radical left.

[ScatManDoo]

No, what Trump, Pence and virtually every other Repub really means is Pence had the "power" to overturn the election. Had it not followed protocal that day, there is a very real possibility it would have been left to a majority of Repub legislators and in the end been settled by a Repub majority SCOTUS. Three guesses how that would have turned out, and the first two don't count.

Why Pence didn't go along with that Repub plan on that day is anybody's guess. But sure as hell Pence's "god" had nothing to do with it.

Well I don't agree with you Eih Tooms on this one point.

I just keep visualizing Pence, during his January 5th (maybe half day?) long visit to the White House that morning and afternoon, before the rioting the following day.

I imagine Mike Pence being repeatedly body slammed by a dozen or so Fat-Bellied Trump Weebles, trying to bring Pence down. Down to their levels.

With Pence digging deep in his soul for guidance from what or whom he trusted most.

A real Christian would not deny the people their earned and delivered vote.

Well, at least I'd like to believe a real Christian would do what Mike Pence did.

I guess it might be a fictional dream I have about Christians.

I frankly would not have that confidence in many self-proclaimed Christians, Jews or Muslims that I know personally.

[Xpartan]

The Radical Left is the same as Radical Right.

You are fooling yourself with the sophistry that Fascism is strictly a right-wing authoritative, coercive, nationalistic system of government, e. G. National Socialism, and the term can not be used to describe a left-wing authoritative, coercive, nationalistic system of government, e. G. Communism. But the extreme Left, Marxism, is essentially the same thing as the extreme right, Fascism. Under both systems there is no individual freedom and you do as your are told or it is prison or death. So tell me what the functional difference between Hitler (responsible for 11 mil dead) and Mao (responsible for 40 to 80 mil dead) was. Hitler started more wars and had a thing for the Jews, but Mao killed and enslaved more people. Or tell me the difference between Mussolini and Pol Pot or Franco and Maduro, or Franco and the Castro brothers. The only functional difference I see is that Marxists are usually better organized than Fascists.

Well, well, it's actually even worse. If we apply your theory ("the Radical Left is the same as Radical Right") to the world history of the 20th century, I'll be the first to tell you that Mussolini wasn't nearly as bad as Pol Pot who exterminated 25% of his own people. Franco wasn't nearly as horrific as Lenin, Salazar was a saint compared to Stalin, and all military juntas in the world, Greece, Chile, Brazil or Argentina, all of them have failed to produce even the tiniest fraction of Mao's body count. Hitler's ultra-right regime was an outlier in the 20th century mayhem. The violence was mostly owned by the Left back then.

How am I doing so far? Want to thank me for helping you make this argument? You're welcome.

Now I get back to these USA Of A. With your permission.

In the 2022 USA The radical left are MUCH WORSE than the radical right.

The proof's in the pudding as the adage goes. The radical right have been responsible for 75% terrorist acts in the latest years, while the radical left. For 25%.

I despise extremists of all kinds, but your statement is utterly inaccurate.

Disagree?

Here is just one link, but to a very reputable publication. If you search, you'll find many more.

In America, far-right terrorist plots have outnumbered far-left ones in 2020, and this is American Politics after all.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...t-ones-in-2020

[PVMonger]

"Dec. 14,2020 was a heady day for Arizona Republicans. Despite the fact that their candidate Donald Trump had been defeated in Arizona, despite the fact that his defeat had been certified by the state's governor, Doug Ducey, in late November, there was a sense of jocularity in the air. This was the prevailing spirit as 11 Republicans gathered around an ordinary conference table to blithely falsify the results of their fellow Arizonans' votes and summarily disenfranchise 1,672,143 of their fellow citizens, who had voted for the election's lawful winner.

The Wannsee-like informality of the proceedings was underscored by the presence of water bottles and coffee cups, the latter hastily moved aside as a young man in a jogging outfit passed out white sheets of paper. The papers were copies of the fraudulent, collective statement of the group. He sidestepped not one but two American flags (one draped on a wall and covering some unsightly electrical cords painted a sickly yellow) as he placed before each participant the paper they would all sign, betraying their fellow citizens with a staid disregard that one could only describe as banal.

But unlike their German counterparts of 1942, these attendees—several of whom were sporting baseball caps accompanying their business casual attire, many with wedding bands and diamond rings shining as they clasped their little white plastic pens—chose, in their unbridled enthusiasm, to make a visual record of their treachery. Before a piece of drywall papered with the red-lettered emblem of the Republican Party of Arizona, each of the eight men and three women leaned forward, clasping their hands, some nodding and smiling as the document was read out aloud to them in order to dispel any doubt about what it was they were doing.

Meanwhile, the camera, held by an unknown operator, captured the moment in all its treachery, embedding all of the participants (one partially masked, the others boldly free of such trifles) in its pitiless, digital sweep.

After the recitation, each of the participants expressed their approval of the proceedings with a seemingly spontaneous, heartfelt exhibition of polite applause. As explained in this USA Today article from January:

By state statute, the only electors who mattered were those pledged to cast their votes for President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris, as they did Dec. 14, 2020, at noon.
The document the Republicans signed, obtained from the National Archives last year by the group American Oversight, overlooked that detail.

It described the “undersigned” as the “duly elected and qualified Electors for President and Vice President of the United States of America from the State of Arizona …”

That they were neither “elected” nor “qualified” by the irredeemable and inconvenient fact that their candidate had lost the election seems to be completely absent from their concerns. After all, they had fulfilled their task. Their sense of accomplishment is as visible as it was palpable.

Because they had, in fact, accomplished something. In their starched shirts, sport jackets, pressed blouses, and all of the accompanying certitude and propriety those things manifest, they managed—in a matter of mere minutes—to betray not only their fellow Arizonans, but also their country and everything it has tried to represent and aspire to over the past two and a half centuries.

The importance of that moment seemed strangely lost on them. But no matter. The video will always exist to tell the story.

Here's the article: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/207...DJMMaBEVgPYWlk.

And, for the fascists wingers who will say that this didn't happen, here's the video that the morons made of themselves: https://twitter.com/HelenKennedy/sta...ting-treachery.

[EihTooms]

The Radical Left is the same as Radical Right

You are fooling yourself with the sophistry that Fascism is strictly a right-wing authoritative, coercive, nationalistic system of government, e. G. National Socialism, and the term can not be used to describe a left-wing authoritative, coercive, nationalistic system of government, e. G. Communism. But the extreme Left, Marxism, is essentially the same thing as the extreme right, Fascism. Under both systems there is no individual freedom and you do as your are told or it is prison or death. So tell me what the functional difference between Hitler (responsible for 11 mil dead) and Mao (responsible for 40 to 80 mil dead) was. Hitler started more wars and had a thing for the Jews, but Mao killed and enslaved more people. Or tell me the difference between Mussolini and Pol Pot or Franco and Maduro, or Franco and the Castro brothers. The only functional difference I see is that Marxists are usually better organized than Fascists.

There is no Dem counterpart to the Repubs' decades long and current efforts to suppress, inhibit, reduce and prevent voting, selectively toss out or count votes, attempting by any means necessary including deadly violence to overturn free and fair elections.

And we're not even talking about a "Radical" anything. That is the goal of Mainstream Repubs. Get censured and culture cancelled by almost unanimous congressional Repub vote for daring to suggest otherwise.

This isn't about Hitler vs Mao, Mussolini vs Pol Pot or any of that. It's about Trump / Repubs vs Biden / Dems. And all the future Repub vs Dem elections.

The ol' Bothsiderism on that point won't work with anyone who isn't a Trump / Repub cult member.

[PVMonger]

Yes I went to school from kindergarten to 12. My schools had the highest standards in San Diego county. My parents didn't have to pay for my education. I went to college on an academic scholarship. I paid my way through school by working while I was attending and did not have any student loans. Unlike you I have a degree and a masters and I am compensated very well at my job at a top USA financial company. With your great school in San Diego did you get an academic scholarship? Did you make a 6 figure salary coming out of college? I wouldn't trade my life with you or anybody.

And yet, with your Master's Degree and your well-compensated-more-than-six-figure job at a top financial company, you still would recommend that a client should take FUX "News" (with 3 MM viewers) free commercial placement over CBS News' same offer (with 5 MM viewers) because 3 million is greater than 5 million?

Somebody is ripping off the company for which you work and I think it is you. Anybody who believes that 3 million is greater than 5 million isn't worthy of a 3rd grade graduation certificate, much less a Masters Degree. And a 6-figure salary? ROFL.

[EihTooms]

I don't agree.

Trump is shitloads slimier than Pence.

Of course, he is. That's why Trump was at the top of the Repub Party ticket and Pence was next in line. Trump would never have chosen him as his VP if he wasn't adept at conning Repub suckers with a carefully chosen word or two.

[PVMonger]

You are fooling yourself with the sophistry that Fascism is strictly a right-wing authoritative, coercive, nationalistic system of government, e. G. National Socialism, and the term can not be used to describe a left-wing authoritative, coercive, nationalistic system of government, e. G. Communism. But the extreme Left, Marxism, is essentially the same thing as the extreme right, Fascism. Under both systems there is no individual freedom and you do as your are told or it is prison or death. So tell me what the functional difference between Hitler (responsible for 11 mil dead) and Mao (responsible for 40 to 80 mil dead) was. Hitler started more wars and had a thing for the Jews, but Mao killed and enslaved more people. Or tell me the difference between Mussolini and Pol Pot or Franco and Maduro, or Franco and the Castro brothers. The only functional difference I see is that Marxists are usually better organized than Fascists.

Not only don't you know what fascism is, you evidently don't know what communism is either. I suspect that your fellow wingers don't know either. Like your other wingers, I'd have better luck getting my dog to understand the differences than getting any winger to understand the differences.

Though ignorant rightwingnuts claim that communism and fascism are two sides of the same coin, they are different in their ideology and other aspects. Communism is a socio economic system that stands for a class-less, state-less and an egalitarian society. Fascism is an ideology that tries to bring together radical and authoritarian nationalism. You know, like Make America Great Again. I realize that you don't know what nationalism is either but I can only try to educate you on one topic at a time.

Fascism became popular between 1919 and 1945 and originally referred to the Fascists under Benito Mussolini. Communism became popular after the Bolshevik Revolution of Russia in 1917. The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels is considered to be the bible of communism. The authoritative document of Fascism is "The Doctrine of Fascism" which was written by Mussolini. You should read it sometime. It isn't very long and doesn't contain many bigly words. You'd find that it almost perfectly describes the rightwingnut philosophy, especially when it comes to religion.

Communism stands for a state-less society where all are equal. No one is rich or poor in a communist system (in theory). In practice, though, that falls apart. In Communism, it is the community that holds the production and the major resources. On the other hand, Fascism pertains to state and it considers state on top of everything. In fascism the state is all embracing. For the fascists, no human values exist outside the state. Look at what is currently happening when someone criticizes the one-term, twice-impeached former guy. They get cancelled. Fascism believes that everything is within the State and nothing is above the State or outside the State or against the State. Fascism believes in nationalism (includes economic nationalism), corporatism (includes economic planning), militarism and totalitarianism (dictatorship and social interventionism), again just like MAGA did. The only difference between fascist Trumpism and traditional fascism is that the OTTIFG didn't like war. But he sure did like the trappings of it like military parades.

The Communists think globally where as the Fascists think only in a national level.

In communism, the state is the custodian of everything and it is the state that owns everything. On the other hand, in Fascism, the state has control over everything. In simple words, Communism means state ownership and fascism means state control.

Fascism is derived from Italian "fascio" meaning bundle. Actually, "fascio" is close to "fiasco" which is what we had under the OTTIFG. Communism comes from French "communisme", meaning common.

So no, communism and fascism aren't two sides of the same coin. They are vastly different and only an idiot would consider them similar. And, no, you don't love "freedom". What you love is the freedom to own and demean another person and the freedom to hate someone who isn't white and straight and male. And every supporter of the OTTIFG that I know is exactly like you.

[Canada]

I have tried to explain numerous times. The fact the you are too thick-skulled to understand isn't my problem. But, then again, I'd have better luck trying to explain it to my dog. He isn't as thick-skulled. By a huge margin.

Can you understand when Biden creates a shortage of anything the price goes up?

Can you understand when USA production goes down that OPEC is going to take advantage of us.

It does not matter what commodity if there is a shortage prices go up.

That is why we have to drill our way out of this.