American Politics

[EihTooms]

"Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust. And where a win for the terrorists is also a win for Putin. And all while Putin, Xi and the rest of the authoritarian dictator world is watching, waiting and hoping their comrade ChristoFascist Mike does "well for them" by seeing to it that YOUR recommendation prevails.

Good to know.

Now we know you would have applauded Trump "saving" America about a $100 Million when he spent 2 years defunding and removing the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from those Chinese labs if only you had known about it in 2018 and 2019.

Congratulations. You have just defined and epitomized crap Repub policies and stewardship and illustrated why their consistent producing and presiding over every Great Economic Disaster and Historic Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years and NONE of the boom times and Historic Jobs Gains has most definitely not been a matter of "economic cycles", "bad Repub luck", a witches curse on Repubs or a series of wild coincidences. ".

Democrats go around calling everyone racists, quintessential projection!

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023...gressive-love/

The Democratic party is the anti white anti Jewish anti Christian anti heterosexual anti CIS anti America party.

The DNC only represents the interests of the CCP.

Everything else is just political window dressing.

Asia hates Jews just like the DNC, that's where the Democrast takes their cues.

The Democratic party aka the home of American anti Semitism.

Yeah, I saw him on Bill Maher's weekly Republican Party Campaign Rally.

Here are a few other items he was wrong about:

He equated the poll response from younger Dem voters of "would rather have a different candidate,(than Biden)" with "will not vote for Biden if he is the candidate on the ballot. ".

Not true.

And he lamented that, apparently due to Biden's unpopularity or the Dems' supposed focus on race or sumpin', Dems "keep losing elections. " Really? Where has he been for the last 40 years, much less the last 3 years?

Of course, Bill let him get away with that BS.

And oh my but isn't it terrible how low Biden's Favorability / Job Approval ratings are? Except that they higher than Trump's, DeSantis', Haley's, every Congressional leader, Majority and Minority of both Parties, Congress in general and both major Parties in Congress!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...alLeaders.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...roval-903.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6195.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6194.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...vote-7969.html

Bill had no info on that, apparently.

Oh, and no mention that Biden has not even begun to campaign for the election a year from now.

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...idential-race/

How long before Dirty Joe announces hes drooping out for health reasons or to spend more time with his family (the junkie in Florence).

[EihTooms]

The real numbers lololol.

NYT polling numbers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/u...2024-poll.html

Its going to ok ET you don't live here anyway, and haven't even bothered to return in over a decade.

Question for you and Tiny:

You both try to pass yourselves off as "Bothsiders / Neithersiders" here. If you were contacted by this polling service would you admit your Party Identification is "Repub" or claim you are an "Independent"?

Lololol.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"The real numbers lololol.

NYT polling numbers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/u...2024-poll.html

Its going to be ok ET you don't live here anyway, and haven't even bothered to return in over a decade. ".

Is they cheat even more in 2024 than they did in 2020.

More fake ballots more fraud on steroids.

[EihTooms]

Me: "Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust."

By the way, Israel isn't part of Arabia.

Democracy in the Middle East and North Africa

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demo...d_North_Africa#text=Often%20 recognized%20 as%20 the%20 only, and%20 its%20 current%20 Benjamin%20 Netanyahu.

Often recognized as the only functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East, Israel has thrived since 1948 under an elective government and the leadership of prime ministers such as its inaugural, Ben Gurion and its current Benjamin Netanyahu.

Welcome to the way people conventionally communicate with each other about it in the real world.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust. And where a win for the terrorists is also a win for Putin. And all while Putin, Xi and the rest of the authoritarian dictator world is watching, waiting and hoping their comrade ChristoFascist Mike does "well for them" by seeing to it that YOUR recommendation prevails.

Good to know.

Now we know you would have applauded Trump "saving" America about a $100 Million when he spent 2 years defunding and removing the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from those Chinese labs if only you had known about it in 2018 and 2019.

Congratulations. You have just defined and epitomized crap Repub policies and stewardship and illustrated why their consistent producing and presiding over every Great Economic Disaster and Historic Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years and NONE of the boom times and Historic Jobs Gains has most definitely not been a matter of "economic cycles", "bad Repub luck", a witches curse on Repubs or a series of wild coincidences. ".

Democrats go around calling everyone racists, quintessential projection!

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023...ogressive-love

The Democratic party is the anti white anti Jewish anti Christian anti heterosexual anti CIS anti America party.

The DNC only represents the interests of the CCP.

Everything else is just political window dressing.

Asia hates Jews just like the DNC, that's where the Democrast takes their cues.

The Democratic party aka the home of American anti Semitism. ".

https://nypost.com/2023/11/04/news/p...gn=android_nyp

[SubCmdr]

Monetary Policy is nothing but Central Planning by other name. Fiat currency is worth nothing. And things are going to get worse for the citizens of my country of origin long before the get better.

Fiat Currency is the ponzi scheme. Central bankers are the con men.

[MarquisdeSade1]

The real numbers lololol.

NYT polling numbers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/u...2024-poll.html

Its going to ok ET you don't live here anyway, and haven't even bothered to return in over a decade.

[EihTooms]

My views on the Israeli / Palestinian situation are about as far away from "Repub policies and stewardship" as you can get. No prominent Republican I'm aware of would agree with me, while quite a few Democrats, and a significant number of left-of-center Israeli Jews would. I haven't gone full fledged Rashida Tlaib, as I do believe Hamas shares a huge share of the responsibility for what's happening, and believe it's unrealistic to expect Israelis to give back land confiscated from Palestinians in the 1940's. I do however believe Netanyahu has worked hand in hand with the Qataris and others to support Hamas and torpedo the Palestinian Authority. (The Palestinian Authority would accept a two state solution while Hamas is dead set on the destruction of Israel.) Netanyahu and some of the reactionary parties in his coalition, the ones who represent Jewish settlers on the West Bank, want to do everything they can to prevent a two state solution, even if it leaves Israel and Hamas with perpetual war. And even if it means Gaza will continue to be the world's largest open air prison camp.

I wonder how this would have turned out if the USA hadn't backed Israel at every turn. Maybe there never would have been a 9/11, or wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe we wouldn't be a pariah in the Arab world. And just maybe Israelis and Palestinians would have come to a two state solution, and be living together today in peace. And yes, maybe our national debt wouldn't be as high. If that makes me a piece of shit, then so be it. But don't label me as a piece of shit Republican based on my beliefs about Israel and Palestine. And please note I used the word "maybe." I don't necessarily believe all those positive outcomes would have occurred, but can't help but believe the world would be a better place if the USA hadn't always unconditionally supported Israel.

No, your academic, unrelated to the real world, views on how to "save" money re support for Israel and presumably Ukraine is very much in line with the way Repub economic policies and stewardship is conjured up and promoted to "save" money, "reduce" the size of the government, "create" jobs, "pay down" the debt, "get the gub'ment of your back", etc when the real results in the real world is the exact opposite.

Why not also "save" money by Defunding the Police? That's an idea repeatedly promoted and voted for by high profile Repubs.

How about "saving" money by no longer inspecting meat, closing down schools, laying off firefighters.

I know a Repub former so-called potus who congratulated himself for "saving" USA tax-payers about $100 million by defunding and removing all of the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from Chinese labs studying novel coronavirus in 2018 and 2019, contrary to all expert dire warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid. In the real world, that is. But in Repub policy and stewardship world it was a brilliant way to "save" about as much as 2-3 weekend presidential excursions to one of his failing golf resorts.

Repub Tommy Tuberville, Trump's hand-picked Senator, is doing a bang up job of "saving" us money on Military Leadership placements, family relocations and our readiness to respond to an unexpected crisis. Putin, Xi, Kim and no doubt Hamas are watching closely and rooting for the next logical Repub idea to "save" even more money to materialize; Defund the USA Military altogether.

I wonder how much money France would have "saved" if only they had taken your Repub view re Israel back when the Continental Army was benefitting from France's support in the late 1700's.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust. And where a win for the terrorists is also a win for Putin. And all while Putin, Xi and the rest of the authoritarian dictator world is watching, waiting and hoping their comrade ChristoFascist Mike does "well for them" by seeing to it that YOUR recommendation prevails.

Good to know.

Now we know you would have applauded Trump "saving" America about a $100 Million when he spent 2 years defunding and removing the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from those Chinese labs if only you had known about it in 2018 and 2019.

Congratulations. You have just defined and epitomized crap Repub policies and stewardship and illustrated why their consistent producing and presiding over every Great Economic Disaster and Historic Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years and NONE of the boom times and Historic Jobs Gains has most definitely not been a matter of "economic cycles", "bad Repub luck", a witches curse on Repubs or a series of wild coincidences. ".

Democrats go around calling everyone racists, quintessential projection!

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023...gressive-love/

The Democratic party is the anti white anti Jewish anti Christian anti heterosexual anti CIS anti America party.

The DNC only represents the interests of the CCP.

Everything else is just political window dressing.

Asia hates Jews just like the DNC, that's where the Democrast takes their cues.

The Democratic party aka the home of American anti Semitism.

[EihTooms]

I give Spidy a pass because he's not particularly versed in economics. But you know better than that. It's the difference between the Fed Funds Rate and the inflation rate that shows whether monetary policy is tight or loose. The Fed Funds rate by itself is meaningless.

By your reasoning, when the Turkish equivalent of the Fed Funds rate was at 12.5% in mid 2022, monetary policy was contractionary, because the rate was high. Well, at the same time inflation was running 75% and GDP growth was galloping along at 7. 6% YoY. Erdogan, the Turkish president who controls the central bank, was letting it rip.

That's kind of like what was happening under Fed Chairmen Arthur Burns and G. William Miller from 1975 to 1979. CPI inflation was higher than the Fed Funds rate more often than not, even though inflation was high, in the range of 5% to 12%. But the difference wasn't anywhere nearly as extreme as Turkey's.

Volker replaced Miller, and under his leadership the Fed jacked up the Fed Funds rate to a maximum of 22% in July, 1981, during Reagan's first term. At that time, CPI inflation was running about 11%. That represents a real interest rate of 11%. At the tail end of the 1982/1983 recession, Fed Funds flattened out around 9%, while CPI inflation bottomed at 2. 6%. Monetary policy was still very much contractionary. Yes, it resulted in sharply higher unemployment and two recessions, during the end of Carter's term and the first half of Reagan's first term. That's what it took to slay the inflation beast. Lots of pain.

But from the 2nd half of 1983 through to the end of Reagan's 2nd term, GDP growth was very good by today's standards, from 2. 7% to 8. 6% per annum (YoY). Furthermore, the unemployment rate fell from its peak of 10.8% in October, 1982 to around 5% to 5. 5% and the end of Reagan's time in office, which was lower than the unemployment rate anytime during Carter's administration.

Please note I'm not crediting or blaming Carter or Reagan with recessions, booms, or employment, even though I believe in the longer term some of Reagan's changes to the tax system were very beneficial. I'm just pointing out how economic statistics varied through time, using their terms as references. It wasn't the party of the president that was the biggest driver of events, it was the Fed. And oil prices (detrimental to the economy during Carter's term and Reagan's first term and beneficial in Reagan's 2nd term) would be second. These are related. Oil price shocks drove inflation, which drove Fed policy.

Calculate it any way you want. Spidy and I are very well versed on economic results that matter in the real world. You are not. You are very well versed on the results your academic theories ought to have produced but never have in the real world.

Your "real interest rate" concept existed under Carter when inflation was rising the same as it existed under Reagan when the rate of inflation was declining virtually every month and quarter as it had been since before he took office.

Even by your assessment above, Carter faced even worse economic hurdles than Reagan did yet his policies and stewardship did not produce rising to skyrocketing unemployment rates into double digits for a whopping 10 consecutive months and his annual average jobs creation dwarfed that of Reagan's. And he did it without tripling the National Debt as Reagan did.

[EihTooms]

By the way, Israel isn't part of Arabia.

My reference to Arabia was the same as yours to "the Arab world", along with my reference to the Middle East.

[Tiny 12]

Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust.

By the way, Israel isn't part of Arabia.

[Tiny 12]

I don't. Stop making up strawman arguments for positions I didn't take that any numbskull could win.

And stop changing the subject. Volcker was already lowering the Fed Funds Rates by the time Reagan took office.

See your local bank if you are concerned about interest rates. The bank president might be some guy named Bill Jones, not Paul Volcker.

Feds interest rate history: The federal funds rate from 1981 to the present

https://www.bankrate.com/banking/fed...al-funds-rate/

See the chart.

As stated in the text, 1980 was the high point for Fed Funds Rates. Reagan's years in office, especially those first, second and third years, were gifted with almost constant reports of lowered Fed Funds Rates, not rising rates.

His Great Reagan / Repub Recession began in the final quarter of 1981, really confirmed by the first quarter of 1982. His whopping 10 consecutive months of 10%+ Unemployment Rates began in September 1982, just 2 months before the Fed hit its lower target range.

That series of 10%+ Unemployment Rates went far beyond and years after the Fed Funds Rates hit their peak and began "drifting downward sharply".

Are you now blaming declining Fed Funds Rates, "drifting downward sharply", for plunging us into the Great Reagan / Repub Recession and causing those months of 10%+ Unemployment Rates? LOL.

Seems to me just almost 3 years ago we were hearing hysterical predictions of a Great Biden / Dem Recession and double digit Unemployment Rates by now due in part to rising Fed Funds Rates because Biden's thoroughly understandable stimulus measures were not dime perfect in the face of totally unkown and unprecedented future conditions re Trump's Pandemic, his Trump / Repub-apponted Fed Chairman and the likely outcome of that first midterm.

Bidenomics has not benefitted from a single month or report of "drifting downward sharply" Fed Funds Rates. Not one.

Reaganomics was gifted with practically every month of his presidency accompanying a rosy report of "drifting downward sharply" Fed Funds Rates. Yet, in the end, his Repub policies and stewardship wound up tripling the National Debt while producing a pathetic Job Gains result compared to Carter, when Fed Funds Rates were also on the rise and hit a record high, and virtually every other Dem who didn't get hit with a Niagara Falls Economic Crash and Jobs Destruction from the outgoing Repub as he was taking the Oath of Office.

I give Spidy a pass because he's not particularly versed in economics. But you know better than that. It's the difference between the Fed Funds Rate and the inflation rate that shows whether monetary policy is tight or loose. The Fed Funds rate by itself is meaningless.

By your reasoning, when the Turkish equivalent of the Fed Funds rate was at 12.5% in mid 2022, monetary policy was contractionary, because the rate was high. Well, at the same time inflation was running 75% and GDP growth was galloping along at 7. 6% YoY. Erdogan, the Turkish president who controls the central bank, was letting it rip.

That's kind of like what was happening under Fed Chairmen Arthur Burns and G. William Miller from 1975 to 1979. CPI inflation was higher than the Fed Funds rate more often than not, even though inflation was high, in the range of 5% to 12%. But the difference wasn't anywhere nearly as extreme as Turkey's.

Volker replaced Miller, and under his leadership the Fed jacked up the Fed Funds rate to a maximum of 22% in July, 1981, during Reagan's first term. At that time, CPI inflation was running about 11%. That represents a real interest rate of 11%. At the tail end of the 1982/1983 recession, Fed Funds flattened out around 9%, while CPI inflation bottomed at 2. 6%. Monetary policy was still very much contractionary. Yes, it resulted in sharply higher unemployment and two recessions, during the end of Carter's term and the first half of Reagan's first term. That's what it took to slay the inflation beast. Lots of pain.

But from the 2nd half of 1983 through to the end of Reagan's 2nd term, GDP growth was very good by today's standards, from 2. 7% to 8. 6% per annum (YoY). Furthermore, the unemployment rate fell from its peak of 10.8% in October, 1982 to around 5% to 5. 5% and the end of Reagan's time in office, which was lower than the unemployment rate anytime during Carter's administration.

Please note I'm not crediting or blaming Carter or Reagan with recessions, booms, or employment, even though I believe in the longer term some of Reagan's changes to the tax system were very beneficial. I'm just pointing out how economic statistics varied through time, using their terms as references. It wasn't the party of the president that was the biggest driver of events, it was the Fed. And oil prices (detrimental to the economy during Carter's term and Reagan's first term and beneficial in Reagan's 2nd term) would be second. These are related. Oil price shocks drove inflation, which drove Fed policy.

[Tiny 12]

Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust. And where a win for the terrorists is also a win for Putin. And all while Putin, Xi and the rest of the authoritarian dictator world is watching, waiting and hoping their comrade ChristoFascist Mike does "well for them" by seeing to it that YOUR recommendation prevails.

Good to know.

Now we know you would have applauded Trump "saving" America about a $100 Million when he spent 2 years defunding and removing the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from those Chinese labs if only you had known about it in 2018 and 2019.

Congratulations. You have just defined and epitomized crap Repub policies and stewardship and illustrated why their consistent producing and presiding over every Great Economic Disaster and Historic Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years and NONE of the boom times and Historic Jobs Gains has most definitely not been a matter of "economic cycles", "bad Repub luck", a witches curse on Repubs or a series of wild coincidences.

My views on the Israeli / Palestinian situation are about as far away from "Repub policies and stewardship" as you can get. No prominent Republican I'm aware of would agree with me, while quite a few Democrats, and a significant number of left-of-center Israeli Jews would. I haven't gone full fledged Rashida Tlaib, as I do believe Hamas shares a huge share of the responsibility for what's happening, and believe it's unrealistic to expect Israelis to give back land confiscated from Palestinians in the 1940's. I do however believe Netanyahu has worked hand in hand with the Qataris and others to support Hamas and torpedo the Palestinian Authority. (The Palestinian Authority would accept a two state solution while Hamas is dead set on the destruction of Israel.) Netanyahu and some of the reactionary parties in his coalition, the ones who represent Jewish settlers on the West Bank, want to do everything they can to prevent a two state solution, even if it leaves Israel and Hamas with perpetual war. And even if it means Gaza will continue to be the world's largest open air prison camp.

I wonder how this would have turned out if the USA hadn't backed Israel at every turn. Maybe there never would have been a 9/11, or wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe we wouldn't be a pariah in the Arab world. And just maybe Israelis and Palestinians would have come to a two state solution, and be living together today in peace. And yes, maybe our national debt wouldn't be as high. If that makes me a piece of shit, then so be it. But don't label me as a piece of shit Republican based on my beliefs about Israel and Palestine. And please note I used the word "maybe." I don't necessarily believe all those positive outcomes would have occurred, but can't help but believe the world would be a better place if the USA hadn't always unconditionally supported Israel.